What's the standard lefty perspective on Tito?

What's the standard lefty perspective on Tito?

Was he faithful to Marxism and/or Leninism? Is market socialism a legitimate way of transitioning to communism, at least in some countries? Does Tito being the least brutal/repressive European socialist leader vindicate his interpretation, or is it just further evidence that he was a revisionist capitalist and therefore didn't have to deal with assaults from the capitalist class (and the inevitable purges that come as a result)?

Would Yugoslavia still have collapsed if they had faithfully continued his economic policy and trajectory after his death?

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Fuck Tito, that nigga didn't prevent the bourgeoisie scum from putting sand into the mother fucking potato salad.

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I liked him, market socialism is a logical way to ration luxuries while we still live in a society with scarcity and actually gives workers experience with managing the means of production

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Regardless of one's evaluation of his policies, I think one has to acknowledge his skill as a statesman in a very tenuous position in the Cold War.

Thatcher went to his funeral if that gives you any idea of how much of a shitbag he was. You seem like an honest noob so here have a link: espressostalinist.com/marxism-leninism-versus-revisionism/titoism/

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The only good thing he did was piss off Stalin and get away with it.

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Titoism/Market socialism = BEST IDEOLOGY

I like Tito despite his blunders and flaws (guest workers, IMF, etc), dude killed Nazis, stood up to Stalin, thought for himself and didn't afraid of anything. Certifiable badass.

Market socialism I think is a good idea and an important step on the road to socialism. Imo it ought to fill a role similar to Lenin's NEP post-revolution. Establishing market socialism instead of full socialism will be less destructive to the economy, and will allow a country to get back on its feet again quickly after the shake-up of a revolution. In addition it helps cement concepts like workplace democracy as a necessary staple of society in the minds of the public as well as breaks the power of the porkies. It also will ensure that the state doesn't massively expand its power a la planned economy at a time of revolution, when it is particularly vulnerable to strongmen and degeneration into authoritarianism. On top of it all it is a market system, meaning that it naturally tends towards oligopoly. Once oligopolies develop across every industry you will have nationwide worker-owned, democratic industrial combines that can easily be socialized among the entire population in order to transition to full socialism.

Market socialism is literally the easy bake oven of more advanced socialism, it naturally grows into an economic model that abolishes commodity production and exploitation while having a relatively small impact on the strength of the economy and posing minimal risk to the integrity of democracy.

No. He was specifically not faithful to it in order to show the west that Yugoslavia was independent from Stalin in order to get those sweet Marshall Plan dollars, while remaining true to Socialism and workers control.

Yes. I see it as the only clear and stable way to transition before we reach a post-scarcity economy for most of the first world.

Tito was still a dictator, but he didn't need to repress people due to economic factors. His main concern was keeping the various nationalities and ethnicities in Yugoslavia together, which he was able to do successfully until his death.

No, collapse was inevitable due to Tito's successors being nationalist fucks who didn't give a fuck about Yugoslavia and only wanted their special snowflake slav to rule the greater region. If he had picked a better successor and not centralized power so much on himself, Yugoslavia would probably still be around today, and still practicing market socialism.

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This is similar to what I think about it. A good tool against authoritarianism and Stalinism while you switch to more planned forms of socialism.

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Literally everyone went except for retarded autists

Someone post marksoc theory

Yeah, all the big leaders of the capitalist world, am I supposed to be impressed or something? The capitalist leaders also packed a stadium for mandala's funeral too. They loved Mandela because he wasn't a threat to the South African capitalist class, and the love they had for Tito stemmed from similar reasons.

Sure, I guess you can rep the fact that "socialist" leaders also went to his funeral most of them were part of that late 70s/early 80s group of socialists who were to the right of Ronald Reagan and later quit pretending to even be red, holstered down the red flag, and grabbed everything they could on the way out.

The autists were right and the revisionists were wrong. The big capitalist countries did not move to the left to meet the revisionist countries in the middle but instead moved further to the right and the revisionists had to follow the shifting goal post right into the trap the West had laid for them.

Stalinist's killed people. Tito stood up to Stalin and freed his people.Even bourgeois scum can understand that.

Plus he gave the workers real control over there workplace. Unlike Stalin who just gave it all to the state.

Kawabunga dude, Tito was petit bourgoies and couldn't even run a marathon.

Tito is a massive wagecuck. Ray owns the Shore Shack and makes a decent enough living to have a nice house in the suburbs and drive all the way to the pier for work. Tito on the other hand works for a wage and can't afford his own place, living instead on the second floor of the Shore Shack. Even when he's not working for Ray, he hangs out with him and watches Ray's kids. Tito is under pressure to help Ray outside of work because he's paid so little but Ray still pays him more than other employers in the area. At the very least Ray works the counter in the Shore Shack, although he frequently calls on his kids to help him do this or other work in the Shore Shack for no pay.

The squid is the only character who seems even dimly aware of the labor/capital conflict, citing child labor laws in one episode. He's only interested in this academically or is a classcuck because he mentions these laws to point out that they do not apply to family, angering Reggie and explaining that Ray is free to exploit his children for their labor as he pleases.

Good post fam

Opened my eyes to class struggles in Rocket Power. Never knew

Thatcher pretty much had to go to his funeral because his reputation improved in spite of the Anglosphere's repeated attempts to get him to cave in to neoliberalism (they lucked out when his successors were shitheads). She didn't like it one bit.

Or maybe Tito is 1. Being financially frugal by taking advantage of an empty space where he doesn't have to pay rent/utilities in expensive bay area california and 2. Lonely.

Tito never went anywhere in life, and one can only imagine the days of his youth where no different. From his upbringing as an orphan, he was always the man in the background. Sure he can provide the young people of his town with advice in times of crisis, but at the end of the day he's a man approaching middle age damned work as a wage slave at a fast food restaurant for the rest of his days. He's how I imagine leftypol.

the state was the people under stalin

"As the Young Hegelians used to say…"

The notion that Stalin killed people and Tito was a good boy who dindu nuffin is just a meme.

The pic is from a book called Savage Continent: Europe in the Aftermath of WWII while the author Keith Lowe is just a big of shit whose out to demonize the communist victory in WWII who obviously sympathizes more with the savage Utashe then the partisans he does quote Djilas on the Yugo terror:


Now, I don't have a problem with the Yugos carrying out this terror but Djilas and bourgeois demographers assert that it did happen on a somewhat large scale.

My main problem with Tito is that he imprisoned real communists as the bourgeoisie knew at the time:

espressostalinist.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/from-trotsky-to-tito.pdf

How many of these communists following the Soviet line actually died? I dunno. I believe Badou said it might be 50,000 but I don't know his source.


if Tito repressed the "Stalinists" to build a better form of socialism then I could forgive him but that's not what happened. Yugoslavia was heaven on Earth for kulaks, small business owners, and the upper-management in the coops. It was a capitalist country and perhaps the best possible confirmation of the leftcom and leninist talking points against market socialism and coops (especially when they operate in the market).

Hoxha wrote truly about Yugoslavia:

There's a reason why the break up of Yugoslavia was so violent and catastrophic; even the Soviet revisionists following Khrushchev line handled the transition back to open capitalism better then the Yugoslavs.