Why do Holla Forums get so triggered by left wing nationalism?

why do Holla Forums get so triggered by left wing nationalism?

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sage

all of these were murderous autocratic regimes that mistreated people.

but none of those were leftwing

sage

it's a spook

Why did you bother making a new thread?

I was literally the only person arguing with you. Nobody else cares about NazBols and their irrelevant ideology. I don't even care about it, I was just mad that you included a hero among revisionist dorks.

Not even socialism tbh.

1. Read Lenin
2. Read Stalin

OP is a faggot, 0/10 bait

The Right of Nations to Self-Determination
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/self-det/

Political Report of the Central Committee to the Sixteenth Congress of the C.P.S.U.(B.)
- 2. Questions of the Guidance of Inner-Party Affairs
marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1930/aug/27.htm

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I'm not because left wing nationalism is useful against imperialism.

Also, this is a bit off topic, but I have to ask
Kiel ne estas esperanto flago sur Holla Forums?

The state owned everything in those country's. Not socialism.

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Also, nations only exist in contrast to what is outside of them. If our nation is uniquely moral, it follows that nations outside of ours are less moral. If our nation is uniquely freedom-loving, if follows that other nations are more authoritarian. If our nation is uniquely innovative, it follows that other nations are less creative. Ultimately, nationalism is built on the concept of national supremacy, which couldn't be further from the mantra of "workers of the world, unite!"

I'm anti-nationalist, but this is a dumb argument.

Celebrating your own culture and your own way of life doesn't necessarily entail the denigration of others. One could admire different aspects and cultural elements of ALL nationalities without ranking them in order of superiority.

Completely meaningless.

The Palestinians' fight against Israel, Irish against England and Kurds against Turkey is left wing nationalism. Your "left wing nationalism" isn't.

You can't possibly deny the existence of culture.

Even the most ardent historical materialist acknowledges that culture is a very real, very relevant component of human society.

t. Amerifat


That's subjective.

I acknowledge culture.

And a part of acknowledging it is acknowledging that it is in a state of constant change, is altered on an almost person-to-person basis and refers to so many shifting factors, referring to culture as a whole is mostly a meaningless appeal to emotion.

I live in a city that just recently underwent a population boom from other areas of our country that "destroyed" the local culture. The general consensus is that the city largely changed for the better and the only people that actually get upset about it are tourists/visitors because they don't have some set piece to jerk off to.

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Im not, i just get triggered when you call people who dont actually support socialism, socialist. Such as gadaffi.

Ho chi min is based though.

Put bluntly, nationalisms are regressive atavisms that the Enlightenment tried to overcome long ago. They introject the worst features of the very empires from which oppressed peoples have tried to shake loose. Not only do they typically reproduce state-machines that are as oppressive as the ones that colonial powers imposed on them, but they reinforce those machines with cultural, religious, ethnic, and xenophobic traits that are often used to foster regional and even domestic hatreds and subimperialisms. No less important, in the absence of genuine popular democracies the sequelae of understandably anti-imperialist struggles too often include the strengthening of imperialism itself, such that the powers that have been seemingly dispossessed of their colonies can now play the state of one former colony against that of another, as witness the conflicts that ravage Africa, the Middle East, and the Indian subcontinent. These are the areas, I may add, where nuclear wars will be more likely to occur as the years go by than elsewhere in the world. The development of an Islamic nuclear bomb to countervail an Israeli one or of a Pakistani bomb to countervail an Indian one ―all portend no good for the South and its conflict with the North. Indeed, the tendency for former colonies to actively seek alliances with their erstwhile imperialist rulers is now a more typical feature of North-South diplomacy than is any unity by the South against the North.

Nationalism has always been a disease that divided human from human ―”abstract” as traditional Marxists may consider this notion to be― and it can never be viewed as anything more than a regression toward tribal parochialism and the fuel for intercommunal warfare. Nor have the “national liberation” struggles that have produced new states throughout the “Third World” and in Eastern Europe impaired the expansion of imperialism or eventuated in fully democratic states. That the “liberated” peoples of the Stalinist empire are less oppressed today than they were under Communist rule should not mislead us into believing that they are also free from the xenophobia that nearly all nation-states cultivate or from the cultural homogenization that capitalism and its media produce.- Bookchin

democracynature.org/vol2/bookchin_nationalism.htm

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

when will you MLs learn, you do the exact same thing with Lenin, it's like you go out of your way to deny that your system creates dictators by its very nature

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only the dead can know peace from this liberalism

It was there for the type of people who read things. Probably not you.

dictatorships ARE bad

the concentration of socioeconomic power into the hands of a few is so risky and dangerous that it necessarily requires the absurd idealist position that Marxism somehow prevents people from being corrupt, flawed, or mistaken

smh tbh fam

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After nationalization destroyed the USSR, the Left has pledged "never again."

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