Why does Marxist-Leninists hate porn so much?

What about amateur porn?

Who told you that m8

Spooks

What about gay porn?

What about trap porn?

is there a difference between stirntards and porkies?
at least you have a small chance porky has some kind of a moral compass.

Read Stirner, lad.

What about anime porn?

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because the body as object/product to be consumed by horny eyes and conquering male forms is not compaible with a society where people own the fruits of their labor and control the means of production. especially an anarchist society where the idea of being consumed as a digital or cultural product would be a grotesque surrendering of the power vested in the individual to express their sexuality with another. your degenerate scum bag pervy attitude would be considered a sign of mental illness in a healthy society. you think its normal because you participate in the orgiastic spectacle that is liberal capitalism

Most porn is exploitative and it commodifies and idealizes sex.

You should know that it's incredibly easy to argue against people who have no theory to back anything they say up. People "want to fuck on camera" do they? In the same way that people "want to wage slave", "want to buy the new iphone" and "want to climb the corporate ladder". We couldn't possibly abolish these things because people want them right now!

I suppose in your mind, because people want to do things right now, that is indicative of "hooman natur" and it is impossible to stem these desires? Your argument is a classic, and easy to debunk, reactionary argument against communism and progressivism. Idiot.

Lmao the last thing is lolworthy

Porn gives you freakish, fetishizes standards for what a partner should look like and encourages selection based on perverted metrics like tit size and lips size and ass size and hair color. instead of health or mental health or emotional compatibility or actual sexual chemistry or smell or shared acitvities or any other normal healthy sensible pairing affinity. You are no supposed to pick out partners like pieces of meat, they are your genetic counterpart and should reflect what works best with you

Ah, but my opinions on women and sex are irrelevant since I have zero contact with them anyway. Taking away my porn would have no effect except to make me unhappier.

What about amateur porn?

Self Exploitation

Men don't count. Male sexuality should be banned

Traps make a mockery of femininity and they don't exist. Nobody actually passes IRL, everyone knows.

Did you get this from Holla Forums?

You would be much more likely to be laid and happy without porn than with it. Men who watch porn routinely either get lots of sex or have little to no sex (successful sex addicts or incel porn addicts basically)

i've read stirner, I'm talking about stirntards. learn to read, 'lad'

they got that from a meninist reddit i guarantee it

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I guess a .1% chance is much better than .01%

If someone is incel, porn consumption is not to blame. It is a symptom.

Yeah, they definitely don't make any money off that do they?

Of course, there's absolutely no issue with people making home videos for their own use, but I doubt that's what you're talking about.

This is exactly what I meant when I said you confused liberals are absolutely in love with the symptoms of the society you claim to despise. Sure, watch all the debauched, degrading porn you want, in the very society we live in, just do us all a favour and stop masquerading as a "leftist". (obviously this doesn't apply if you are from Holla Forums)

Quints tell the truth.

post fetishes

Dominant girlsSweaty girlsCertain types of thickTomboysMuscular girlsLoyaltyCaringFunnyPretty Faces

I doubt not watching porn would suddenly give me sufficient empathy to understand other people's intentions in social situations or to care about the things they say to me. I don't even have any real desire to have sex, so banning porn would only make my masturbation more boring.

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No lad thats the definition of amateur. It means not making money. Proffessional means making money off it.

shit taste fam

I'm not that other guy you were talking to, cool your jets user.

Kom vechte dan

By this logic we wouldn't have films or art featuring people either.

You're making me very hard.

If it's easy than present an argument. So far we've got "willingly have sex on camera is like getting an iphone or wanting to be a ceo" and "u belive in muh hooman naytur". Both of which are shit and not an argument

Make an argument on why under socialism with no exploitation or coercion porn should be banned from being made. If this argument can be used against making film (fucking liberals wanting to be movie stars) I suggest picking up a gun and eating some lead.

goeie smaak mijn vriend

kys TERF

neuk een spanjool, gij duyvelspecht

No porn consumption goes with being incel. i very seldom encounter incels who aren't jerking off to porn

There are people who fuck for free on camera, they useually monetize their hobby after the comment section gets too shitty and they realize they can get cash.

t. triggered woman

i am going to pretend you're not this stupid and don't actually think porn is like two people playing make believe to tell a story

lol ok faggot you're still a degenerate and you are still going to be mocked into ostracism if you try exploiting people like that post-capitalism

Porn shouldn't be "banned from being made", porn would not be made. As I've said, you would get people making home videos and probably the occasional looney who would try to distribute a video of themselves wanking, but that's it.

And nice job totally misrepresenting my argument. The point is, as anyone can see, that saying people will still want to make porn makes the assumption that all human behaviour observable in our society right now is somehow inherent and not a response to material conditions - which it obviously is.

"hurr durr kill yourself" - thank you for bringing reason to this discussion.

yes they have mental problems, performing for others is a fetish and most actors have emotional problems this is 10x worse for people who do porn. I've never met a couple who recorded themselves fucking who were stable or had a healthy relationship with sex

Why do you think that is? Perhaps because society produces a surfeit of young, unemployed men who will god worship these people and give them a massive ego boost?

enjoy the beta uprising

Incels don't have the option of a sexual partner whether it is because they are NEETs who live with their parents or they are extremely emotionally stunted.

These porn consuming fags are always ultra defensive about it… i wonder why.

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Why wouldn't people still produce various sorts of 2D media involving pornographic situations?

yes they do they're just pathetic and have princess standards. if you look like dr eggman and are acne ridden and only talk about anime no woman who is healthy will fuck you. lower your standards lmao

because of moralistic normalfags like you

Porn has been made since the beginning of time, I see no reason why socialism would stop that

dumb meme spread by normies

literally no girl has ever been interested in me, I look normal, not fat or acne ridden, don't watch anime.

because its one of their few things they enjoy. its completely understanable, vidya fags are the same exact way (huge intersection between those groups too)

ENOUGH
HAS THE GUILLOTINE NOT DONE ENOUGH DAMAGE ALREADY?

Who even said that you fucking fag?
gf or or not does not come into this

Of course you could draw your sickening cartoons. However you would have no incentive to share them, as you could not profit from it and it would only lead to ostracisation.

yes they have you are autistic and unable to pick up on cues. have you ever caught a 6/10 looking at you? have you ever made a girl laugh on the other side of a room before? have you ever danced with a girl before or flirted with one? i guarantee you have. unless you are really fucking ugly, like downsyndrome face mong looking motherfucker, you are appealing to a certain group of women

i am by no means Chad, i'm only 5'9 and i still get more than enough attention from women and i spend hours every day watching anime and shitpoasting

I am talking about material conditions and you are bringing up a strawman.

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Praise and appreciation is why the majority of porn artists do their thing though, not money.

Well good for you, none of that has happened to me.

No im citing the average incel's looks and mannerisms. Being incapable of reading social cues or practicing hygeine is a sure fire way to never get laid. take a shower, shave (your whole body), shampoo, wear clean clothes with no weird subculture shit on it (no animu), learn to be sarcastic and to read people's interest in you, don't go after chicks who wouldn't fuck you (no crop top stacy's they don't want you)

if you can settle for 5/10 and 6/10 pseudo-qt's you will get laid

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Lol go to a fucking cafe or bookstore and stop being a fag

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I guess we more or less agree then.

Still, I am 30 and live with my parents. I have no shot unless I go after the most desperate of females and I'd rather be single in that case. I do work out, wear fashionable clothes and I would say I am about a 7.

mane i guarantee a chick has looked at you with interest before. if you are not fat or acne ridden, not super premature balding and don't look like a downie you have had the female gaze upon you before. you might just be autistic

for the love of god go on tindr hahaha

You are speaking like this is some sort of hard science or as if there any studies about it, fucking seriously man, get a grip.

what's the brown girl's?

As I've said, the reason there's so much "praise and appreciation" is because there's a massive underclass of obese, unemployed, virgins who flock to this stuff as a result of being deprived of sex. Do you think you'd get "praise and appreciation" for your weird fetishes in the USSR, or any third world country today?

name*

I'm also a nigger.

Not gonna work. I have been on OkCupid though with zero success.

Alfred

Feels bad man.

How can you possibly know that?

What? You're the people claiming it's literally certain these things have happened to everyone whereas I merely state people have different experiences. Who's upholding an imaginary science here?

Sounds like a good thing to me.

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Why wouldn't there be sexually deprived virgins in a socialist society?

Do better fag.

Wow nice argument.

Congratulations, you've got porn.

By this logic people will stop making music, vidya, film, literature, etc. because the material conditions no longer coerce them to do this. Ironically, you've made the conservative argument that all work will stop under socialism, except ot only applies to porn for some reason and sans starvation. And the assumption that no one wants to be filmed getting fucked is assuming a universial human nature. Are you sure you're not a liberal?

Porn will not go away under socialism anymore than film will. If anything it will get weirder becauss just as film will be freed from the design by committee of Hollywood, porn will be freed from the design by committee of the porn industry. So goodbye to Big Anal Asses 39 and hello to some weird shit where the women aren't either teens or milfs.

More than you have.

Behead Stirnerposters

We'll kill them all.

You're the fag who needs to jerk off to function properly

We must seize the means of reproduction!

guy voluntarily gives away labor for free to his "owner" who gladly keeps him in the mindset necessary to continuously exploit his labor

hurr durr im fucking retarded because my jizz instinct and inability to be self critical is overwhelming

Enjoy your cancer.

That's terrible advice, you utter creep.

It's called consensual sex, user.

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He's probably American. They all go on about trying to pull women when they're going about their day.

it doesn't cause cancer you idiot.

So you can't both regularly have consensual sex and masturbate?

no its not at all, whatsoever they actually want you to talk to them. picking up women only at bars and clubs is the easiest way to destroy your confidence and get Chadded. You have zero competition at a bookstore. Its just you and her. Lol at calling me a creep i've never ever been rejected for being creepy ever. you're projecting

Lmao europeans fucking hit on women non stop and actually don't fucking stop until the woman runs away. Frenchman are notorious fucking creeps why do you think the Skunk in Looney Tunes is a rapey frenchman?

I bet you think it gives you superpowers.

>>>/nofap/

t. Bubba Cletus Dangit III

You said porn would be "banned" not that it would simply cease to exist.

Home videos as in "mindy and bill filmed themselves shagging on their honeymoon and accidentally showed it to their family on their slideshow, how embarrassing".

And we can have a pretty good idea of what is a result of human conditions and what is "natural" by simply examining history. Humans have eaten, written and produced music for as long as the means to do so have been available. Coincidentally, they have only started mass producing and consuming depraved porn since capitalism has emerged. It is an artificial desire that humans have lived without for the majority of our time on this earth.

I didnt know the organs between our legs cause cancer when we use them to fucking reproduce.

I bet you think you would day if you stayed a couple of months without porn
See how projecting is fun?

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that means nothing
Nope

No i just think it makes you mentally hygenic and a better lover

no it means she was checking you out and showed interest. your aesthetics weren't too trash for closer observation

lmao you've never said something funny that made a chick giggle?

t. feminist

Nigger, the technology to produce porn en mass didn't existed before capitalism.
There's also all the moralfagotty and religious bullshit of the past that getting in the way.

lol this is retarded

your hand is not the same thing as another person's genitals. neither sex nor masturbating cause cancer. sex can contribute to ovarian cancer.

That's some seriously disturbing projection there, mate.

I really don't see how someone looking at another person means that. Making eye contact for 2 seconds with someone is meaningless

Not really, they were probably only doing it out of politeness.

And you still have yet to present an argument to why it would cease to exist, other than stating that it just would.

And that's still porn.

Literally muh human nature.

and you're being entirely serious
my fucking sides

Nope i just know for a fact that my mind is filled with imagery i don't need because my subconscious gets polluted by hyperstimulation from porn. porn is aids for your subconscious

There are plenty of people who enjoy nicely drawn porn who are not any of those things and i think you inflate how much porn is actually a massive and open thing, those artists don't reach a lot of people and it would stay that way, "society at large" would not be aware of it.
The USSR was a bad place to live and a dwller of the third world i would say yes as long as it stayed where it originated which is small communities of enthusiasts.

Yup and the stereotype comes from the wives of american businessmen being harassed constantly by frenchman, because europeans (italians and frenchman) are fucking creeps and its a well known trope by anyone who is young and travels there that they aggressively hit on women

*die

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Not everyone does that

I'm way too shy to talk to people 1 on 1, let alone in the street

How is living with autism like?

It would cease to exist because there would be no economic incentive to produce it. Obviously.

"muh human nature" is claiming that behaviour that has risen pretty much in tandem with capitalism, has not been present in previous socialist societies and has not been a constant throughout human history is somehow inherent in human behaviour "just because". That is your "argument", isn't it? "It's "human nature" to produce porn, this will obviously continue in socialist society!" - completely ignoring all historical evidence.

bad, but not as bad as having a bunch of cunts on here berate me

(cotd.)
It's fine if you don't like to get off to porn, but don't pull some holier than thou bullshit to justify it.
No fap won't magically make you less of a sack of shit, or more of a sack of shit.

Mostly fine, honestly. Society is so alienated and impersonal you can get by without very deep relationships.

Opinion disregarded. It had much better living conditions than capitalist russia, where camwhores, pornography and internet brides abound.

Why are you even a socialist if you can't be social? Do you just want free porn and vidya under FALC or something.

The fact that it is much better than current day Russia does not make it good.

If you demand that incels don't masturbate, you'll end up with a bunch of frustrated perfect gentlemen. Fapping is the lesser evil.

purely spite towards the upper tier elites who get to have everything whilst we all toil away on random crap to solve the problems they cause

This is pure semantics regardless, but I suppose your blueprint of a "good" society is the imperialist west?

virgins

is she a capitalist??

That's a very dumb question.
I'm a socialist because it's on my self interest to not be exploited.

I don't see a contradiction here.

All girls are capitalists.

They want your big thick wallet.

this is lifestylism

Spooks.

That's basically modern socialism it seems. That and boring everyone you talk to with muh theory

I don't, as long as it's not some fucked up shit or involve non-consenting stuff (rape, minors, animals, corpses etc.)

Not being ultra statist would be a good start.
Funny how you rightfully condemn western imperialism for the damage it does to people and their relations. The USSR suppressed a lot of spontaneity and culture in general doing a lot of damage to people.

dailymotion.com/video/x222wl0_do-communists-have-better-sex_shortfilms

wtf does that have to do with anything? capitalism hates shy people too

lifestylism and personality politics

who the hell is gonna watch 51 minutes of people talking about soviet sex?

people with an attention span

Not really, shy people can work in coal mines or industrial factories just fine. Maybe specific sort of jobs hate shy people, but not the system as a whole.

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You faggots fail to realize that only under capitalism women get exploited and demeaned doing porn because most women that end up doing porn are only doing it because of money and because they have no choice.
Under socialism/communism such pressure wouldn't exist and only women that really enjoy performing in porn (believe me they exist) would do porn, so it wouldn't be exploitative and demeaning because the conditions for it to be exploitative and demeaning would have ceased to exist.

Yeah, that can all disappear as far as I'm concerned.

And it's my belief that the number of people who would willingly expose themselves in such a manner would be infinitesimally small under socialism, and the majority would probably be afflicted by something.

By this logic so would film, photography, videogames, and music. Again we have the conservative argument that socialism will destroy progress because incentive to do anything disappears with monetary compensation.

You've claimed a nature to inherit to humans, that is a human nature appeal. The fact is porn will be made as long as their are people who want to do it and no state to punish them for doing it.

Pic related, something clearly created by capitalist time travellers to pre-industrial Japan.

A shy individual has a harder time climbing any social ladder. You gotta be assertive to step over others.

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wew. you sound like a totally out of touch member of the bourgeoisie, thinking that preserving culture is more important than ending the economic order that causes suffering on an industrial scale.

Capitalism cares about neither of these things. It can make perfectly good use of shy people regardless and doesn't care if they're poor or miserable. Not saying that's a good thing, just saying that capitalism hardly has any aversion to the existence of shy people.

which one is the lifestylist here, the normie or the shy one

whoever claims that personality type determines politics

Once again you totally fail to examine history.
Was there porn in the USSR? No
Was there photography, film and music? Yes

nice one

We can't have both?
Not everything they suppressed was justifiable to fight the economic order of capital. You sound like one of those
Stalinbots.

kys yourself my dear friend

Please name an aspect of culture that was needlessley suppressed then

Society definitely does. Shy people are shunned and laughed at, capitalism tries to make everyone confident outgoing spenders

Hurr durr? Duur?

Cool, they can buy alcohol to drown their sorrows and tons of video games and assorted garbage to spend their lonely evenings on. Problem solved.

Once again, you totally misrepresent an argument to try and sound smart. It's a complete strawman. How about constructing it as, "maybe we can examine existing socialist societies and see what forms of media and entertainment persisted and which ones died off to understand how socialism alters behaviour in comparison to a capitalist system"

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I'm explicitly arguing for the capitalist perspective…

If anybody wished to make an informed comment on this, consider watching this documentary:

Was revisionist by the time western pornography started to go anywhere near mainstream, let alone the sheer amount of internet porn we have now.

Well that is the actual definition of pornography.

merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pornography

Exactly, capitalism is the most tolerant and inclusive ideology out there.
That is why it is so successful and has created more progress than any other.

I saw the same thread, op using the same flag, with the same text, using the old 2 images he used the last time.

This thread should be bumplocked.
What good can come out of this?

Or maybe you can realize that the entire culture was different in the times of the USSR? and realize that the morals were different back then? and realize that now people grow up watching porn and won't simply let it go with a system change?

learn to read

also the real issue here surrounds real sex, not depictions of it, as no one is being exploited by a drawing of a woman fucking an octopus

Sounds wonderful, exactly what Marx and Engels had in mind!

No good for us, but good for them.

Maybe read the entire chain.

Have a book among countless.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Foundation_Pit
And the enforcing of aesthetic tastes like social realism was totally justifiable so the poor peasants could see themselves in some paintings right?
npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=122575072
Have a play too.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Prokofiev and a composer.

Then our course of action shall be to report hide and ignore

The KGB will take control of the this.

Real sex is by far the most boring porn anyway, so we can ban that np.

I did, still doesn't make any sense

Of what relevance are the moral concerns of Marx and Engels to the internal functioning of the capitalist system?

So that image is not intended to cause sexual excitement?

So willingly having sex on camera without any coercion or material enticement is exploitation?

You should be banned for being a no fun bumplock happy filthy moralfag.
Go point your stinky ass to the sky and pray to allah you piece of shit, fuck off.

I'm pretty sure they didn't want a world where shy people are consigned to mines

Gee, I dunno. Sell your body to my agency and maybe we can find out.

This thread is shit. Just kill it already. Who cares if you watch porn?

No, but I'm arguing that capitalism doesn't care if you're shy or not.
Marx and Engels have nothing to do with that at all.

Hope you get hit by a truck sometime soon.

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So why care about the exploitation of the working class then? Just care about yourself. Everything is a spook, right? Go shoot up people for all you care if there's a bounty that will further enrich your own property like the wallets off their dead bodies.

Because most people are part of the working class and therefore exploited?

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And shooting people isn't beneficial at all because the punishment is far more severe than the reward

early days for this one

See

Projection much?

There would be no punishment.
There is no state. No law. No morality. No God.
Spooks spooks spooks spooks.

Yeah but solidarity is a spook, just like everything else.
Just act like a rat, because a sense morality or anything else that might make you transcend the animal you are is a spook.

And that's why Marxism will never get anywhere. You feel politics.

rats are very cooperative except under conditions of scarcity, just like humans

nice meme

This is thread is living proof that the capitalists have you all literally by the balls.

i don't understand the point you're trying to make

That is not how Stirner works.

If working with others brings about your individual goals, you'd have to be spooked by some sort of hyper-individualism not to do it.

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You know, I would actually give you a dollar if I had a Paypal account just for making this image. No joke.

Thank you.

Guess.

Because I am part of the working class and by caring about the exploitation of the working class I'm caring about myself.

Uh, rats cannibalise each other. And their babies.

Judging by the filename, he didn't make it.

Right, it's highly unlikely I'd find the creator on an anonymous "left" meme shitposting board anyway.

Well, yes, they would. Entertainment is literally bourgeois. A real working class individual has no time and would not waste their precious time on such nonsense. Look up what life was like for true proles even today in certain countries. You work and you sleep and you work like you're supposed to.

a marxist would ask under what conditions. the answer is under conditions of overpopulation and scarcity, which most wild rats live in. lab rats display different behavior.

youtube.com/watch?v=nyolz2Qf1ms

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Holla Forums made that image

It's variation of "losing debate shout racist" image you can look up.

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I know, but it is still useful to have against autistic spammers on this board.

engels discusses this in the dialectics of nature

he believed everybody would be a renaissance man of sorts under communism

Lab rats are literally lab rats. You're just giving fuel to the fascists who have always been saying that living in communism or being a communist is to live like or be a lab rat. What the fuck is wrong with you?

how romantic. why wouldn't I just be a NEET and play video games all day under communism and do the minimum work required from me by the state/commune/whatever to get my hand-outs?

It doesn't change the fact that it's true. Marx himself was a petit bourgeois with his own fucking maid and Zizek was right to reject him. A real working class individual does not fucking waste their time at the opera house or theater or any other nonsense.

If you want, but the rest of us will be revolutionizing theatre when we collectivize costumes, stage props and the theatres themselves and make wholesome theatre by and for the proletariat instead of by and for the bourgeoisie

that sounds like a lot of effort.

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This was for men with regular relationships with women, not kissless virgin NEETs who use porn as a surrogate girlfriend, Holla Forums.

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I work, get home, play games and shitpost here. Kill yourself

The literally bourgeois son of a factory owner thinks everything will cater and materialise like when his family took him to the theater house while the hard labourers glared at them? No fucking way.

Pornography is capitalist. There is no way around this. Look who owns the studios and agencies and don't say garbage about amateur either when it's just a small fraction you all barely view. A normal and healthy individual does not film themselves engaging in sex for others to display anymore they do film themselves defecating. And pornography existed before the modern era too. Those nude "fine art" that is called today by the bourgeois, that was commissioned by the merchants and nobility as literal pornography they would be reprobate to, not art. It was always the bourgeois who has obsession with art because they have all that free time for nonsense and spirits. The preliterate wished to live. tl;dr You disgusting bourg pieces of shit, fuck off.

in the other thread they said they'd make you starve to death if you didn't, so I figure it would probably be impossible to live entirely on handouts

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Not at all. The theatres aren't private property anymore and we will have more free time than ever before. Communism will be great for arts of all kinds.

That image is from reddit. Holla Forums bitches that porn is a owned by and is tool of the jews to make sure nobody does shit or whatever stupidity.

Pornography will still be there in communism, it just won't be staged bullshit. And hentai artists won't have to scrounge a living together anymore.

The literally bourgeois son of a factory owner thinks everything will cater and materialise like when his family took him to the theater house while the hard labourers glared at them? No fucking way.

Industry is capitalist. There is no way around this. Look who owns the factories and manufacturing places and don't say garbage about co-ops either when it's just a small fraction you all barely view. A normal and healthy individual does not work themselves with others to gain anymore they do work themselves for porky. And industry existed before the modern era too. Those classy iPhone factories that is called today by the bourgeois, that was commissioned by the merchants and nobility as literal industry they would be reprobate to, not work. It was always the bourgeois who has obsession with work because they have all that free time for nonsense and spirits. The preliterate wished to live. tl;dr You disgusting bourg pieces of shit, fuck off.

no i'm not and you're an idiot or dishonest to draw that conclusion.

a lab rat lives under post-scarcity conditions. contrasted with wild rats, which live in conditions of scarcity and overpopulation, lab rats demonstrate cooperative behavior. a lab rat is in captivity and a human being under communism is liberated. the only thing they have in common is post-scarcity. this could only give fuel to fascists if they are dishonest about the comparison that is being drawn.

it's not romantic at all. people tend to expand their talents when their basic needs for survival have been met.

>>>Holla Forums

this

NEETs are based

anti-marxists fuck off

Yes, focus on the bourgeois distractions and spook of "arts" instead of real things.

Do they really though? Most affluent Westerners seem perfectly content to just waste all their free time watching TV and doing other such nonsense.

Nazis please go. Fuck Hitler and his retarded art obsession.

what does it matter whose property it is? doing a theater production is a fuck ton of work

everyone's basic needs are met with the minimal labor required because everyone can profit from automation and such, I can't imagine the working day being longer than 3 hours. Why would we not dedicate ourselves to the arts?

Bullshit. If you have a society telling people it's a virtue to fuck other people over they'll be more likely to do it.

Not my image m80. But I'm sure someone could use that dollar.

But the working class is a lot of people. Why not just be for the working class in your little town and fuck everyone else? More for you right?

Go tell that to Zizek and numerous others. You've clearly run out of arguments. Face it, you're obsessed with the bourgeois "candy". You are nothing more than a harmful bourgeois element.

i would if he was here. zizek is a hack.

I have many friends who do theatre and absolutely love it and I can't imagine them doing anything but spend more time on it under communism. Most artists don't meet the treshold where they can work on their art full-time.

Work that can be spent doing real things. Art is the ultimate "spook".

Does OP have more of that dude on the left?

Because socialism in one town/city/state/country has been proved to not work.

Sounds like that Holla Forums screencap of a post that claims modern communists are all bourgeois. What are you doing here?

Get the fuck out.

Pretty sure it's a little girl.

Not as much as Marx is. Communism existed before him and it's better off without him and his harmful bourgeois thinking. Just looking at your inability to be able to capitalise your own sentences just speaks volumes. Disgusting.

What the fuck do you mean by real things? Mine more coal, sew more clothes and produce more crops than we need? Work more instead of enjoying free time?

yes, but most people are so weighed down by wage labor that they produce only inferior products in the limited free time they have. you need only look at the sites that host the work of amateur artists or the innumerable open source software projects to see that many people happily engage in creative activities in their leisure hours with no financial compensation.

Is this postmodern shitposting?

capitalization is for capitalists

So try capitalism instead. Become porky and make us work for your ego.

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Look at the pathetic little bourgeois literally caught with their pants down trying to scramble to sage and bury their failures. Go and masturbate to gross capitalist exploitation instead of working hard to get or spend time with a real woman.

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True, and here you make a good point because some people are obessed with Marx.

No, no and no. How can you disregard everything he wrote? Most of it is still applicable, even if he was wrong in some regards.

This was in a time where pretty much every prole was illiterate, you couldn't expect them to write up theory.

I would if I could but unfortunately social mobility it's just a meme.

I nearly exclusively jerk off to hentai doujins and amateur creampie porn. Why don't you make up more shit to feel good about yourself, user?

Wow this is my fetish

I mean I know this was a rhetorical question, but in case the newfags haven't figured it out, it's because all tankies are reactionaries masquerading as socialists. I remember Marx talked a lot about medieval socialists in his Communist Manifesto. ML's should be understood as such. Pro-worker in rhetoric, but in reality their only goal is rather to return to a 'simpler time' before globalization and liberalism. That is the ML goal.

if you were working class, you would know that workers seek to escape the "reality" of work. this is why workers have historically agitated for longer leisure hours and other concessions from the capitalist class. you are obviously a Holla Forumsfag trying and failing to imitate a caricatured communist or else an extremely confused child of the petite-bourgeoisie.

*feudal socialists, my b

The truth hurts, doesn't it?

Here's something nice Marx wrote to his bourgeois buddy Engels

…the Jewish nigger [Ferdinand] Lassalle….It is now completely clear to me, that, as proven by the shape of his head and the growth of his hair, he stems from the Negroes who joined the march of Moses out of Egypt (if his mother or grandmother on his father’s side did not mate with a nigger). Now this combination of Jewry and Germanism with the negroid basic substance must bring forth a peculiar product. The pushiness of this lad is also nigger-like.

—Letter to Friedrich Engels, July 30, 1862

And some more

…the Spaniards are completely degenerated. But in the presence of a Mexican, a degenerated Spaniard constitutes an ideal. They have all the vices, arrogance, thuggery and quixoticism of the Spaniards to the third degree, but by no means all the solid things that they possess.

—Karl Marx’s Social and Political Thought, Volume 6

What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money. … We recognize in Judaism, therefore, a general anti-social element of the present time, an element which through historical development – to which in this harmful respect the Jews have zealously contributed – has been brought to its present high level, at which it must necessarily begin to disintegrate. … The god of the Jews has become secularized and has become the god of the world. The bill of exchange is the real god of the Jew. His god is only an illusory bill of exchange. … Once society has succeeded in abolishing the empirical essence of Judaism – huckstering and its preconditions – the Jew will have become impossible….

—On The Jewish Question, 1844

What a great man, Marx is. Maybe all Marxists should fuck off back to Holla Forums? Mmm.. Ok. Bye-bye.

you need to return to reddit

The Soviet Union under Stalin banned Opera because it was bourgeois culture. There were still films being made, music being composed, and people taking photographs.

Yes, yes, we know Pol Pot, the real workers aren't in the factories, they are in the fields.

Critical autism

stop with this bullshit tbh. Even if Marx was a racist, his philosophy and method was revolutionary. That said, I've heard that it's disputed whether or not Marx was actually serious in the Jewish question.

Anti-Social Socialism is best Socialism.

Oh look, the bourgeois is projecting.

Which ONLY happens because the bourgeois make toil so terrible.

The whole entire goal is that we'd make it so proletariat WANT to work and work to achieve REAL goals.

You're clearly drunk on the decadence and "candy" of the bourgeois, being one yourself.

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Marxism is shit. The whole idea that you'll just go out and COMPLETELY REDESIGN SOCIETY based off a bit of theory in a book by someone with zero track record of redesigning societies is laughable when you think about it now.
There's some food for thought in his works but it's like a noob trying to rebuild a car based off the ladybird book of engines.

lel, fuck off and take your god, "Labor", with you.

>>>Holla Forums

No, they were not. It was a monumental failure. Think about it, communism existed before him and worked great. It never again worked after Marx came in and ruined everything.

Because career politicians do socialism best right?

Exactly.

Because I said that right?

again, this is not the marxist position. as articulated repeatedly by engels, the condition of communism is one in which necessary labor hours are reduced and self-cultivation occupies the expanded leisure hours of workers. this is the condition that the proletariat already strives toward.

Care to point out examples of what you're talking about?

Ah yes, it was because of Marx, a single man, who has completely rewritten history and has single handedly fucked all of us.
Get your Great Man and Liberal bullshit out of here.

THIS

all we had to do is abolish private property, stablish mutual banking and keep a market economy

Marx and his buttbuddies ruined everything with their shit

where? in the paris commune? lmao

And you tankies are crypto-conservatives.
Fapping is a basic human right and you can't fap without wanking material.

Get some lube faggot

lmao

maybe karl marx is a good guy after all. same with stirner.

I wouldn't even abolish private property. Just make it impossible to accumulate enough to do any damage. A 90% top rate tax would do it. Or a wealth tax.
People talk about a communist society without money etc but it's so far from what is realistic Really, who here knows for certain how that would work out after a few years?
Even MAGA seems like a tangible policy in comparison.

all fake in Pornoland

who the fuck care. I know some do, but why?

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nope. primitive communism is distinct from communism. this is basic marxism.

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they are not communist by definition.

You know what.
I'm gonna try it out.
I'm gonna watch sexually-explicit degrading films 24/7 and try too hook up and I can report in a week whether it worked or not.

Earlier:
Now:

You know, it's like you haven't read anything by Marx or a Marxist.
Also, the Incas did not have collective ownership of the means of production iirc. Oh, and from your images

I feel as if you don't understand what I was saying at all.

No shit everything you see is fake, everything about the sex is fake, the mannerisms and moans are all fake. The orgasms are faked and forced by the "actors". All of it is fake, its a complete mirrepresentation of sex in every single way. On top of that it molds your expectations of future partners. Size queens and guys who think they're god's gift to the world and deserve 9/10 gf's are born from watching porn. Tumblr is the worst site on the internet because of its links with porn and exposing young women to graphic porn gifs that destroy their perception of what men's sex organs look like and what their bodies should look like

LMAO.
Get a load of this whale getting triggered by "perverted" porn metrics.
What if I told you that men cared about those metrics even way before the mass consumption of porn was a thing?

I LOVE PORN

i also love anarchists and trotskyists don't tell the commissar

What is your today's definition of communism?

Your first comparison doesnt make sense, "communism" worked in the past, certain branchesmof left-wing politics didmaswell, yete every aplication of marxism has failed

As for the second pqrt, I never implied Incas had anarcho-communism or that they lived under anarchism

What if i told you that was a gigantic blatant lie and you actually have to be the dumbest poster i've encountered since Autism Level man went on his sperging streak a couple weeks ago with his infographic copy pasta on racial autism levels

Then I misunderstood.

Forgive me, comrade

Because pale girls with dark hair are angels.

the stateless, classless society which follows socialism

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Yup you got me, I'm a fat white woman. Totally a fat white female sjw who says snownigger and faggot and talks about lifting constantly. Yup that's me

Russia will never forgive the USA for Yeltsin.

Hating everyone equally is the purest form of egalitarianism you can get.

God I miss old Holla Forums

It seemed that you were implying that the Incas and every other implementation of socialism (not communism) failed because of the existence of Marx.
Communism is a stateless, classless, moneyless society, which comes after the socialist, where the workers collectively own the means of production, period of history is finished and has not reverted back to capitalism.
Every application of marxism has 'failed' in the sense that most of the marxist-leninist states have either fallen or reverted to a form of state capitalism. I could say the exact same thing about every application of anarchism, and point to that as being proof of the failure of anarchism.

You implied they lived under communism, which has no state.

Heterosexual pornography would have to be to carefully controlled under socialism in order to prevent reactionaries from using it to reinforce toxic gender norms. That being said I doubt whether there would be much porn under socialism to begin with. It's a bit like religion in that it exists mostly because of material and social alienation rather than some inherent need or desire.

Like this?
youtube.com/watch?v=aJozK6lsQHE

Guy saving a damsel in distress, very toxic.

Or do you want to ban everything that is not femdom?

>>>/tumblr/
>>>/gulag/
>>>/fuckoff/

not him but even though I dislike tumblrinas and their use of the word "toxic", I think gender roles are pretty shit

What happened to pride, self respect, standards.
Shame how far the left has fallen.

cast are a nu-male and a tranny (doesn't matter what op, she idetifies as female you transphobe)

Porn is a good way to reach out to cis het white men and help them to overcome patriarchal standards of beauty and sexyness

porn is patriarchal anyway unless it involves two gays

But what kind of gender roles could be enforced by porn? will the high bureau for porn and arts force all the heterosexual scenes to include pegging so that people wouldn't think that penetration it's a male muh privilege? that's utterly retarded.

In a fucking porno.
You know there is a fetish for it right?
You know there is a fetish for a reserval of it, right?

Can anyone give a real reason that a socialist society couldn't have amateur pornography between sexually healthy loving adults?
I hate to drag anecdotal evidence in, but I would personally enjoy making this films with my SO or watching those from others. Why are we trying to normalize our unhealthy sexual outlook? Its puritanical capitalist trash. This thread is only an excuse to sow needless derision and victimize the more vulnerable comrades. Fuck off back to halfchan or whatever shithole you like.
Also,
Dude really? Like wtf, are we all to become professional swimmers? These moralists are deranged and out of touch with society. In fact, they remind one of fierce capitalist apologists that have never worked a day in their lives and lurk in their mothers basement. I don't really know what's worse, the abhorrent opinions and vicious attacks or the level of self-delusion they need to keep their deranged ideologies safe.

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You do know where you are, do you?

Private property requires violence or at least threat of violence, imprisonment to actually exist in time.

It needs to be tied of the morality of obligation. Private property is there because we have to respect it and not violate it. It is literally sacred thing.

Of course this would not survive in the morality of common utility. Private property exists to prevent people from using it to the common benefit. When nothing prevents anyone from abolishing private property to achieve the greatest common utility, then it will be abolished.

Those with the accumumated wealth would oppose both. Why not be thorough and establish something that leads to greatest common utility, to great justice that comes with equal wealth distribution.

The socialist countries had much more progressive sexual education and liberation, so take your anticommunist slander and shove it up your ass, consumerist little bitch.

I don't even like 3dpd porn at all but the TERF cunts here would even say hentai is exploitative to women in some spooky sense.

Who makes the porn?

put that socdem flag on

Beyond patrician taste. I never understood why Holla Forumsacks think blonde hair goes best with pale skin.

Seriously though why would anyone make porn under socialism?

You would think after I keep posting max stirner memes people would stop posting spooks

*SIGH*

Guess i gotta post this one.

I'm anti porn-industry and anti-prostitution, but pro-sexual freedom and homemade porn.

Ban sex.
It is related to too many problems.

Why would anyone do music or paint or act or do any art under socialism?

Are you being sectarian on purpose?

Sharing is caring, there's plenty of amateurs exchanging material with other amateurs FOR FREE

Someone has never been to /cuteboys/ or 4chan /lgbt/

What is this fucking film I see you or a group keep posting the same waifu.

Rape would be too kind a fate for you.

Those aren't things that are done exclusively for money or hiding flaws with the system. Pornography is made so that the proletariat can be further deluded. It's a weapon, a very dangerous weapon, that companies use against the general populace.

Angel's Egg

Yeah but the number of people who would do that is probably extremely small. Most porn is made and distributed by companies for profit. Most "amateur" porn is also produced by those same companies.

no but honestly >>>/reddit/. Just because you found some isolated quotes of Marx saying racist shit does not mean you've BTFO'd marxists. I'm not even a marxist, but this is like next-level stupid. read a fucking book and quit spouting memes as arguments.

lmaoing @ ur life

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wrong shitposting flag

If its truly voluntary I see no problem. Cartoons are fine.

Even if the will to porn is a symptom of a problem that isn't a reason to ban it, scabbing is a symptom of getting hurt but you shouldn't for the most part pick scabs. Opposition to wage labor does not state that workers should abstain from it (that would mean starvation), but rather to take the means of wage labor and put it to better use, thus satisfying the worker's basic needs and more. I can not think of a reason why the alternative to pornography (that in your eyes should hopefully largely eliminate it) would require pornography to be banned in order to instate its own dominance.
If you don't want to ban porn then I disagree it will go away to the extent that you predict (I do think it would be significantly different and could see it reducing, but at the very least if there is genuine art for the sake of making you miserable or anxious I see no reason for there to not be art for the sake of making you horny.) but effectively it is largely a non issue.

I dislike pornography. I haven't watched any porn for a long time now. I just find the whole experience repulsive.

They were secretly feminists and found it exploitive of women.

If it gets the robots to fuck off, I fail to see how that would be a bad thing.

Where do you people keep getting this insane idea that there would somehow be less lonely socially isolated young men under socialism?

Attention anti-pornfags;

I am a furfag, all the depictions of my sexual fantasies are entirely fictional and all porn I consume was created via either voluntary hobbyists or commissioned works (independent artists draw artwork in exchange for money from the commissioner). Please explain to me how I am objectifying/degrading/exploiting anyone by doing so.

I would imagine that the critique would be that your art reproduces oppressive gender norms and degrading images of women or some shit. Or that no one would want to draw this shit in commieland because everyone magically has lots of sex and social contact and would look down on perverts who draw sex.

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you're objectifying and degrading yourself

lewd

Uh, how? When I say furries I mean anthropomorphic non-human animals, not people.

This thread has been highly enlightening about the amount of tankie feminist Redditors invading this place. TBH they should probably be banned. They're no different than Holla Forumsacks and in many cases their posts are actually worse because they pretend to be leftists. Who the fuck are you assholes to decide what other people do in their personal lives?

Like this shit. Sexual issues aside, NEETs are marginalized people that socialists should be trying to help.

Robots who embrace misoginy are reactionaries and as such do not deserve any mercy.

This is even dumber than COIDPOL.

spooky

Wow you guys are really attached to your porn aren't you?

What the fuck? Almost no one who socialists are trying to help agree with socialism or the tenants of it. Revenge or punitive measures should be limited to those who actively and unethically oppose socialism, not who disagree with it.

Socialism should present itself as a way of aiding basically everyone but hardcore reactionaries and high capitalism, because that's what it will do. The idea that socialists should focus specifically on helping neets is of course retarded, but taking a combative stance to natural allies is significantly more stupid.
This isn't to say you can't get angry at these idiots for going against their own interests, but actively hating them as people is going too far.

We've also brought up drawn porn and gay porn and the discussion is about the banning of pornography, not whether it should be sanctioned. If people don't want to do it then it doesn't need to be banned. No one is advocating that women MUST partake in pornography, people here are fine with there being no porn if people don't want to make it.

This is what happens when you fap. Your dick gets number and you lose your normal sense of sex. A penis in your hand does not feel like when it's inside a vagina. Then you look for harder shit and you risk your dick getting fucked up. ED and Peyronie's is almost as bad and requires surgical repair.

St. Thomas Aquinas said that although prostitution and fornication is a sin, at least it's better than masturbation, porn and faggotry, cause at least the purpose is procreation and both parties can keep their sex fit for purpose. This is the same idea but from another angle. Keep the sex simple and stay away from fetishes, and you will be fine. Find a decent girl that you will want to be around, marry her, get her pregnant and work with her. Shit isn't so bad.

I've literally, unironically never fapped in my life and it made no difference. Not even religous

Why do you like porn so much?

Christan Comrade, with all due respect, do you really expect me to believe this shit?

Das bullshit.

How could you not? It's titillating, easy to come by, and often caters to kinks and fetishes you'd never see accommodated in real life.

Why not just find someone else who has those kinks and enjoy sex with them instead?

what's bulshit? I'm not lying about never fapping

Because, dear boy, it's incredibly hard to find qt fascist girls who'll beat the ever-loving crap outta you, all whilst calling you a "degenerate cuck".

What can I say? I've got a thing for people with different political views. You can't blame porn for that.

Socdem, u so crzy.

Hentai and furry porn can exhibit fetishes that are physically impossible or really impractical

Also finding a sexual partner isn't easy, let alone finding a partner that would fulfill certain fetishistic desires

Some fetishes just can't be done in real life. Besides, it's better to tell people to fap less than saying they never should. Lack of release can drive people crazy.

Social isolation would not really be that much of a problem under socialsim.

Death tallies are pornographic enough for sadistic bureaucrats.

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It's Holla Forums slowly adapting their spooks into a materialist world view.

The point is that masturbation is a use of your genitals that is unfit for their purpose, as well as a waste of your time. Moreover, overdoing that can cause deadening of the nerve endings in that area and really fuck up your performance, as well as be an occasion to injure yourself if you do this too hard. I simply want to warn you of potential shit were you may end up with a dead dick. Mine is right now on the verge.

I used to try to put my dick down when I got hard due to embarrassment, kept hearing a popping sound, now I don't know if I fucked up something really badly inside. I just want to mention it for due diligence.

That's the whole point of it. Have you ever heard of the concept of repressive desublimation?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repressive_desublimation
Marcuse warned of this:

Porn is counterrevolutionary because you spend all your energy fapping while you could instead build a better social critique or even a movement with a revolutionary perspective, unlike being merely a reformist socdem, ironically using your desire-machine towards better sex in a better world for working towards a better world.

The desire for good sex with a person who satisfies us is a really constructive force, causing us to do all sorts of really difficult shit for it. That's the dynamic of a truly happy, satisfying sexual relationship, where both people cause each other to work towards being better people and reward each other for it with something mutually satisfying. I can't imagine anything more communist or christian than that.

We should ban profiting from porn and the industry but not porn itself.

shiggy diggy

Well excuuuuse me for not knowing about that, princess. The fuck am I supposed to do now?

lol. Literally all entertainment is counterrevolutionary by that logic

Would you rather be fulfilled by your actions having revolutionary perspectives or merely entertained by a pale imitation of them?

Here is some Tiqqun for you, pdf is attached:
forpartisans.noblogs.org/files/2011/09/scandalous.pdf

got to the sermon to the ravers: the real message is there: a PLUR rave, though it may feel revolutionary, with new messages, alteration of perceptions and experimentation with new forms-of-life, is anything but: there are no lasting perspectives, and the ravers live rave to rave, having no real impact on their daily lives but to rejuvenate themselves for the daily races.

We aim to break this vicious circle, and create spaces where real revolutionary perspectives may grow, beyond mere countercultural bullshit, but becoming and synthesizing a real genuine culture that reproduces itself in spite of the state, not being a tool of the state to keep the people subjugated, but actually honest liberation that does not desublimate their desire to be free, that truly grows the people as individuals and multiplies and strengthens their connection with each other.

What entertainment could possibly be better than that?

Socialism should embrace victims of social alienation.

(OP)
Pornography is inherently bourgeoisie and reactionary

how the fuck did this thread get like 400 replies

Do you extend that logic to all performers? Is singing at a bar for cash a sign of mental illness? Both cases include vanity, or there a special kind "muh human nature" mechanic involved in sec in front of the camera?

autism running amok

Sex/porn topics gets the most attention

Why? I see no reason social isolation would be less of a problem under socialism. In fact it could potentially become worse.

The generic problem of social isolation stems from the disappearance of small communities as capitalism led people to flee villages and towns to the anonymity of big cities. Aside from anarcho-primitivists, few left-wing ideologies specifically address this issue.

As for the specific problem of lonely young men, under capitalism, due to scarcity, women are (were) bound to settle for a man to get access to his resources to set up a family. This is less true under current modern Western capitalism as reformist systems like welfare and the female employment promoted by the need of capitalism makes females less dependent on the income of a man. Still, securing a high paying job is still a relatively efficient way for less attractive men to get female attention. Under socialism, since access to resources would no longer be a problem, there would be absolutely no reason for women to bother at all with the majority of less attractive males. Unless this problem is taken into account you could have even more social isolation under socialism than now.

It sounds like the only ideal place is the vagina. What if I want to stick it somewhere else? Even animals will hump something to try to get off. Not to mention, access to porn in places like India has decreased chanced of rape by a fair margin. behaviouraldesign.com/2013/01/21/does-porn-increase-or-decrease-rape/#sthash.DYL3csZj.dpbs

This can also be true for allot of other things, and not doing it at all can either drive a person crazy, or even cause it's own problems, as well as effect performance too. The key is balance. Also, it's far more likely if the individual is circumcised, since many, many nerve endings has already been removed, all because a retarded capitalist thought he could stop people jacking off with it. It didn't.

You think I don't share my "sickening" cartoons under the most free and libre license already? Copyright is evil and even the poorest people deserve porn.
Just look at the millions of people who dedicate time and bandwidth to seeding porn on torrent sites.

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We have, and you would know this if you paid attention better and went outside and talked to girls more often. They love new shit, and many of them are suffering the same sense of isolation you are. If they see that our socialist project allows a healthier, more free society that will produce better people, and here we are talking about men, they will want to come and join us. That's been the dynamic throughout history. All we need are a bunch of good evangelists of this system.

Why would you want to stick it somewhere else? Right now the only reason why you'd want to masturbate is because you have no other socially acceptable place where this could be taken care of. What we are building is a place where you wouldn't need to masturbate because if there was a person you'd like, you would be able to meet them and you'd be able to have meaningful sex easily, or you'd be able to get help and have something to do to let you endure the urge until it passes.

The idea that we are all sexually free and autonomous is a lie when we are constantly at risk for having our sexuality hijacked by capitalist advertising, be it explicitly pornographic or not. We are in an invisible conflict with huge forces greater than any individual, demanding our time and attention, violating our internal processes for their own profit. That is why we are taking it to the next level in order to escape and free ourselves from this environment and create our own, while at the same time holding ourselves up above the media morass that capitalism seeks to feed us.

8ch.net/leftypol/res/1182445.html

Here we have our thread for International Solidarity, and we are having our meeting tomorrow on riot.im for our manifesto. check it out if you want. We are planning a real alternative here, with reasons why we are doing this.

Because people are filthy sodomites. There are things that feel better than vanilla sex. It's also one of the few ways of stifling overpopulation, along with condoms, which you should probably put on anyway if your going to put it in the pooper.

People would probably have and still do, even if it wasn't considered socially acceptable, and partners don't always want sex more often then a person would masturbate, but this depends on things like general hornyness and puberty. Or hell, what if the person likes getting handjobs, or just being able to rub his dick on every inch of his partner? I guess that dude's fucked then.

This seems to have quite a few assumptions. It also sounds like dating sites, which are a complete scam. There are people that aren't interested in having a partner, no matter the availability. Sodomy, again, as well as personal preferences. There's also the fact partners aren't always going to be available, since there's always a chance the social isolation will still exist. There's also the chance the someone would masturbate over the thought of their partner, in preparation or in longing for them because shit happens. And what about furries? Not to mention porn will most definitely be more popular, even if illegal in theocracies. Then there's also the possibility that community prostitution would also need to be legal for lonely people looking for partners. Something like a voluntary co-op of course, not a capitalist brothel.

I would've agreed with you accept for the fact that not all porn is made by porky business exploiting people having sex. Matter of fact it's slowly going extinct. There's way more homemade porn now, including drawn, which there is nothing wrong with, since it's done with consent, via leisure, which there would be even more than we have now in FALC. It only becomes a problem when the profit motive is involved, which is extracted by consumers instead of just workers, and only exists due to the contradiction in capitalism anyway, that one where we need to buy food in a market instead of making it ourselves. At that point the porn makers would be porkies themselves, which wouldn't be as much of a thing if everyone had guaranteed housing, food, water, clothing, ETC.

Even then, buying porn is considered ridicules to many online, including me if my flag wasn't already an indication. The market is slowly becoming obsolete due to such abundance, since anyone can make a porno with their camera phone, or if they can draw. There's also no way it would be a time waster either if time also becomes more free. At this point it comes down to personal preference, something with societal change won't always 'fix'.

This honestly comes off as the 'utopia' meme, with a small dash of authoritarianism thrown in to make sure no one ever faps to porn, even though all the negative connotations of it are the problems with capitalism, and not necessarily porn itself, something which has also existed even in the prehistoric era. I'm fairly certain it's the christian part of you that's making this argument of never fapping, but most other would be turned into lolberts by reading that. Pic related. I would understand if you were preaching moderation, and I would agree with it, but it's not moderation. It is abstinence. Which doesn't fucking work.

I only watch and sometimes just read pornographic content that cater to my fetish so much that I don't even need to touch my penis in order to ejaculate. The only thing touching my penis is a napkin to absorb the cum. What now faggot?

That's either really impressive or really sad.

Doing shit for the lulz is a sign of an immature subjectivity, and one without any self-control. It's like a dog that eats until it's sick, which they all do instinctively, and pukes it back out and then later eats the half-digested puke again. That lifestyle only leads to broken communes, burned-out hippie shit and a cautionary tale for potential revolutionaries.

That can be construed as foreplay, which isn't bad. The problem is doing it for egotistic pleasure and then denying it to the partner, where in an individual subjectivity and another subjectivity on a scale of the big Other subjectivity, big by virtue of extreme proximity, engage in intimate intercourse, freely acknowledging their mutual otherness but accepting it and thus subsuming it into something greater than just those two individuals; they form a connection in their community. Any sort of sex where a such a connection community does not occur is a crime against humanity and damages the individuals' capacity for human connection and empathy. That's why it's so important to find the right person to connect with and who shares your views as well. That you are so flippant in your arguments about sex shows you don't care to know anything about your fellow humans if you don't feel like it, let alone help them or even please your great Other sexually when you engage in sex.

Those are paraphiliacs who need help, not approval.

This shit existed and was tolerated for that specific reason. Moreover, to keep the peace and not destroy society, historically, the Catholic Church would try to take such women off the street and find men who couldn't get a woman otherwise to marry them. Men were encouraged to marry such "reformed women" to help these women find a connection back to the community, a situation that was far more healthy and productive and less dangerous, to give them a perspective for personal growth in life again, as opposed to being in a pimp's stable.

Christian "morality" in action.

cough cough, faggot

God, I don't blame the USSR for banning porn. It's not like porn stars produce value anyway.

of course, the pizza man had to put an end to that >:^)

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We don't claim that social isolation will be eradicated, but at the very least greatly diminished, and that people will be able to live with each other and meet people they will like based on the fact that they will be doing something they all want, which is to build communism, and will want to have families based on that furthering that idea. As people will see that this place has more healthy, self-actualized people, more people will come and there will be a greater pool to choose from.

It's not just porn proper, it's all the sexually suggestive advertising that is used to manipulate us subconsciously into buying shit; psychological warfare on the edge of legality.

Again, I am asking you, why are you settling for a pale imitation of the real thing? The same argument concerning porn could be made by capitalists defending the current relations of production; they could pass out the commodities at a minimal cost and have the rest subsidized by the government. Porn is like these commodities, and sex with an honestly attractive person is mentally healthy, that won't judge you and leave you is hard to come by today, and would be much easier to find in a communist society. I know your arguments about certain fetishes being too difficult to act out IRL, but those are eclectic and honestly pointless in the face of today's mass alienation and mass mutual abandonment. We have different priorities here, and yours is like wanting bourgeois luxuries in the face of people wanting for basic necessities.

This literally sounds like ayncraps defending muh markets with just a few words changed. I know that porn used to be the ancient Greek equivalent of "For a good time call Shaniqua at Nah Fah Fah Fo Fo Nah Fah." That historical argument doesn't make it more or less acceptable. The point is porn is by itself alienating since it encourages solitary sexual pursuits.

Repressive desublimation, man. The whole point of massively produced porn, be it for profit or done by amateurs is to mutually subjugate the working class to drain any energy that could be used to critique such a society. It's a form of biopolitical control, like even that faggot Foucault admitted.

It doesn't work because people are too isolated to allow it to work. It would work better if it was implemented in a commune that would police itself for such behavior, like in the halfway house for alcoholics I used to serve food at. At some point even moderation isn't enough; I actually sat down once next to a cardboard box looking like some fucking cake box going to Europe: turns out it was an urn of a dude's ashes that my dad knew. He was sober for 10 years and then he ended up dying at the hospital after that one last drink. Same thing for porn and people engaging in risky sexual behaviors until they royally fuck up and need to have someone stop them lest they kill themselves.

We are trying to help you because we know shit exists; we've seen it. Regular sex is something less destructive, and its consequences can even be turned into something better than what originally took place.

What the fuck is this disgusting prude doing here?

Go fuck yourself

You need to head back to /liberty/ now.

It works either way.

We are here to give people both their tools back as well as grow within them the will to use them. Porn isn't anything that honestly helps in this regard.

Porn and sexuality was hijacked by advertising people like Edward Bernays in order to sell people shit. We are here to escape that world and build a new one. This also means relationships outside that paradigm, not unlike the Amish, but also using technology. We are going to start a commune, and alcohol, drugs and porn will not help us in this regard, and honestly will hurt us That's all I'm saying.

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Just let me have my fucking porn. Like, seriously. I have no interest in a relationship or muh true love or any of that crap. I just want some 2D art to help me masturbate. Why is that such an issue to so many people?

Tankies and feminists are both statists, and the first thing statists want is to control sexuality. They're literally reverse Holla Forumsacks. Capitalist governments create social movements full of fascist psychos like them because they want as much control as possible. The more social taboos they can create, the more accusations they have to throw at people who fight for economic equality.

i just use softcore tbh its really not so hard :DD

The only thing that's gonna be not so hard is my dick in your Puritan dystopia.

hows it puritan, its masturbation

Yeah, no, you actually do. It's implicit. Humans evolved a psychological drive to live in a group and reproduce in a group. It existed sometime in your personal history but it was destroyed by some traumatic or stressful experience in your life, and you are trying to bury it into your subconscious. The thing you are burying is what's blocking you from achieving this state of "muh true love".

Two words: Repressive Desublimation.
It is an issue because your individual drives affect your behavior, and your behavior affects those around you. Videotape yourself sometime in a candid setting if you can stand the cringe. Look how others are affected by your actions and emotional state from a third person perspective and you will see what I mean. If all you want is your porn, then that's all you will have, and your drive towards working and living with others will atrophy to the point that working your ability to socialize back to competency will be require work on a therapists' level.

Basically porn and masturbation turns you into an /r9k/-level social retard and that is a drag on a commune that wants to have all its members engaged in productive work with revolutionary perspective. We don't want social retards if they won't make the effort to change themselves. We will help them if they say they need it and make the effort to meet us halfway: we might even help them find a good significant other. We want serious revolutionaries who will change not only the world, but themselves as well, including their personalities.

And how did fighting the Man's morality work out for the hippies? How did that work out for Foucault? They are all dead by their own hands trying to escape the society the way they did.

Your garments are moth eaten, your gold and silver has corroded, your libertarianism has been recuperated and co-opted as a testimony against you. So long as capitalists can sell you shit that numbs your ass to the beatings and work they give you that will ultimately kill you, you won't complain. You'll be like the worker who ultimately destroys his family through the drinking he does from his job while his wife and daughters prostitute themselves to pay the bills. You can't fight if you are sated or addicted.

i suppose you don't know yugotrap

nice spook from an anti-marxist frankfurter. figures the christian """"anarchist"""" would turn out to be a liberal in the end

I haven't suffered trauma or stress ever, I'm the most muh privileged fuck to ever live. Never had a serious worry in my life. I just don't care about the idea of living with some girl 24/7 or investing tons of time in pursuing sex when jacking off every now and then will satiate my lust just fine.
I mean, how obsessed are you with sex? Porn is not "all I want" or even anything of major importance. It's a fun thing to use to relax on occasion, like a movie or a bag of chips. My interactions with others are not motivated by sex and have nothing to do with porn. I mean, what kind of a twisted worldview are you presenting where the need for sex is the driving factor behind everything you do, and where you dissolve into some deeply negative emotional state if you can't stick your dick in something? Seriously.

You'd think a board infested by Stirnerposting would be less spooked.

Porn is leftist by default

Where are you on this?

At the top. Note how the third level lists "family" and "friendship" as well as sex. Apparently it's hard to believe, but I have the mysterious ability to engage in self-actualization without being romantically involved with someone.

Love/belonging and self-actualization. Have the others covered well enough.

How am I supposed to read this? One cannot engage in creativity without having other people's respect?

All porn is awful and it sucks. All echhi is awful, and it sucks too.

Not much, but there's a chasm between stirnerites and egotists.

It's not really supposed to be read as you must have this lower tier satisfied to achieve a higher tier.

It's more like those lower are more basic and if they are not met it can cause distress. Like fucking starving. But you obviously do not need sex or intimacy to self-actualize.

But I am missing so much above of the physiological that I'm a mess.

Did you draw this?

Just seems nonsensical in general. Why would creativity or morality be higher than self-esteem or the respect of others?

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