Nazifags triggered after John Carpenter confirms They Live is about capitalism, not da joos

nazifags triggered after John Carpenter confirms They Live is about capitalism, not da joos

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How can anyone even insult John Carpenter, just take it as a difference of opinion

Fuck kids on the internet today

I know that DoA is a real term, but come on at least use wikipedia.

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john carpenter is based af fam

He's not wrong though. By treating the yuppies as literal aliens he certainly was suggesting that these beings that look exactly like everyone else (and yet are not like us at all) are behind all of modern societies problems. Sounds way more fascist than communist.

You are autistic.

Does he know that the guy who came up with the very concept of "the death of the author", Roland Barthes, was a leftist? And that one of the philosophers most influenced by it, Jacques Derrida, was Jewish?

I know it's a rhetorical question but he doesn't know who Derrida is, but you know after his reactionary phase he's going to grow up into someone who talks non stop about Derrida despite not reading him.

Fascists love stealing left wing ideas. Remember how Trump's strategist openly called himself a "Leninist" at one point? They take great pleasure at using our own weapons against us. Personally I would love it if they stole post-modernism from us. Fuck that noise. Marxism works best in the modern context.

i wish the left and right would just stop talking about israel and the jews. it simply just does not matter. its a tiny country involved in a conflict of a few million people. a conflict thats only unique in the way that it involves the sensitivites of the jewish history and the persecution they still face today by largely muslim population, but is totally generic in its imperialistic and colonialistic character. nobody made this much of a fuzz about crimea, or the way china is fucking african territories right now. its worse than idpol talking points imho, a red herring

If there ever was a quote that encapsulated the pseudointellecutalism of the alt right, this is it.

You would know a lot about that, wouldn't you, nazibol

top fucking kek

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"The Stuff" was a more effective critique of Capitalism through entertainment tbh

The Alt-right is essentially a post-modern fascist movement so it makes sense.

How anyone can They Live, where the protagonists are homeless guys of different races, and think it's abut race realism is beyond me. Then again these are the fags who use redpill, a reference to an enlightened black guy giving a white dude drugs in a movie directed by two socdem trannies.


In the Mouth of Madness was better tbh.

Roland Barthes was also a fag to even piss them off more kek

Why would anyone ever watch the stuff

just watch Little Shop of Horrors

They also love traps and unironically call others degenerate

That's it, now I have to watch They Live and the Matrix again. Thanks asshole. :^)

Not really. It wasn't just the yuppies that were aliens, the aliens were in our government and on TV. The yuppies are more or less the leisure class that's been talked about in Marxist theory since the late 19th century.

So? There are people on Holla Forums who never watched Man with a Movie Camera. Now that's really criminal

kill me

You were thinking this post would say I didn't, but I have

is it about capitalism as well?

Beautifully put.

They portray themselves as 3rd positionists and anti-"degenerate" consumerism, crap like that.

I hate how the right uses leftist terms against us.

its about jesus christ being an alien trying to warn us satan was coming from a world of antimatter that killed his planet. This is Satan who jizzed out a son made of ectocooler and people from the future warning about the coming of the green liquid antichrist who can inhabit people's bodies via VHS Tape Recorded Tachyons

It's surprisingly eerie given the subject matter. Just as a one off watch. If you're into Carpenter you should probably watch it. Overall, it's not Ghost of Mars or the remake of the Children Of the Damned. Like user said, not Mouth of Madness either.

The yuppies aren't what the altrightfags are talking about though. I guess this is why Liberals cannot properly critique capitalism, even in fiction. It always comes down to blaming individuals (or in this case, an entire race of invaders) rather than a system.

Reminder that Vertov was ass-blasted by the NEP being enacted because he (not-so-wrongly) thought it would put an end to experimental cinema to the benefit of traditional dramas.

How does he not critique Capitalism if of itself? Porky, the leisure class, the state etc, those who reinforce the base are branded as outsiders.

It's just a movie with a silly premise you dumb nazibol. You would take invasion of the body snatchers seriously

It's a shame Dziga Vertov is more well known. His writings are comfy af.

*isn't

Pseudointellectualism, period.

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Because most of them haven't actually watched it, they've just read the synopsis and jumped like Evel Knievel over the grand canyon from that to "it's actually about Jews"

FFS the black guy explicitly states that racism is just a divide-and-conquer strategy used by Them to keep humans at each other's throats.

How the heck do you even get le juice from "They Live"?

These are the same people who think George Carlin was talking about Jews when he talked about the Owner class. He was talking about the defense and telecom and banking industries along with the political and military castes. Mostly white people

They actually think their schizophrenic, totally idiotic and divorced from all facts theory about Jews is the entire basis of any cultural critiques of the political-economic world order

They actually fucking think that Jacob Rothschild literally gets on the phone with George soros and plots against the white race. they think that all white power brokers and deep state actors are jewish puppets even when the richest people on earth are huwhyte

they have literally zero problem with white owned industries and white bankers. they have zero time talking about the enormous influence european whites have had on pushing us towards post-modernism and have equally zero time to talk about Germanics literal diaspora of control that stretched from the Windsor house of England to the Tsar's German generals and court bankers.

These people are the very definition of mentally ill

because jews create ideology

philo-semites are anti-semites too, they ascribe to the jews qualities that the rest of humanity lacks, among those is infinite innocence

They don't realize that when politicians justify a country invasion under the pretense of exporting democracy,they are implying that the Western neoliberal way-of-life is the best one, do they ?

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Once again John Carpenter is the GOAT horror director

The Thing and Halloween are my favorite movies, ITMOM was great too. Prince of Darkness was okay, still better than most modern schlock.

I've actually yet to see They Live

What are you doing here?

Ancaps: The movie

I've heard Kurt is a libertarian in real life, so it only seems fitting.

AAAAAH

Has anyone here actually ever been in a union? Ot gotten your hands dirty earning your living? My dad was in the Steelworkers’ most of his life, and I was in the Teamsters. Our union reps looked like mafia thugs, and they probably were, but they made sure our interests were seen to. In this ugly, real world you almost never get to make a choice that leaves you with clean hands. When you are dealing with the amoral money and power addicts who control human society –all human societies, whether democratic or communist or fascist – you do what you need to do to take care of your own. The class struggle? I think it is the defining reality of how humans actually behave when they organize into societies, but guess what, history shows again and again and again that appeals to nationalism, to racism, to religion, homophobia, and all the other ugly delusions that clutter men’s thinking – they always beat awareness of class solidarity, hands down.

What, am I not allowed to be here?

They Live and The Matrix should be official Brocialist/Manarchist canon. Claiming them as leftist will upset the booj and rightists, and their masculinity will trigger the idpolers. They Live is more the latter than The Matrix, that fight scene was real.

Watch it now you fucking faggot, easily one of the coolest movies made.


Add Fight Club to that.

Also a good one.

And Gurren lagann

and maybe robocop

Yup fight Club is classic manarchism and it is a meme and we will make it ours

Robocop has vaguely fashy undertones but there is the theme of the cops union mass striking so its debatable

No more or less has to do with that everyone enters the market as an equal simply separated by their wealth which strictly speaking is not physically apparent. The bourgeoisie and their little brother are among us in society and spread their malaise infecting everyone.

heartening news!


nice pasta


Robocop was Verhoeven spoofing 80s Reagan-y Burgerland's media and mindset (every criminal is a violent and usually rapey, muh big gunz, muh hero cop killing fucking everything, awesome-but-impractical technology and pornographically-presented gore/violence, and like you mention the vaguely fashy undertones). Because most of my fellow Burgers seem to have low sensitivity to irony or self-awareness, they ate it up and asked for more of the same, which he gave them until they finally got wise to the fashy shit with Starship Troopers, but still missing the tongue-in-cheek element.

Would Total Recall count?

Interesting you both bring this up as the remakes of these movies completely shed the ironic satirical mocking of retard burgerland culture. I guess I am probably wrong about them being vaguely fascist (including starship troopers) but it feels like if you were vaguely fascistic in your orientation you might see them as race riot/multiculturalism/utopian representations of their future. I always felt they were satires of corporate fascist society and i always thought starship troopers was mocking the fuck out of martial culture and chad-jock-warrior culture. But, the frogposters actually decided to reclaim that movie and take it post-ironically meaning they actual revel in the overdone fashy memes that movie is laced with.

Whereas Fight Club is blatantly a manarchist anti-capitalist, anti-industrial civilization movie

So while we see the anti-capitalist and anti-corporate culture aspects of those movies, its possible someone like Sam Hyde or Ricky Vaughn or the Frogkids might see them as ZOG Occupied Government dystopias and Marty/Rico as unironic heros

*murphy

sorry its been awhile since I've watched that kino

this

larpers get out

Judge Dredd is also so over the top that anyone ought catch on to the fact that it's parody. Yet Holla Forumstypes unironically think Dredd is the good guy.

that said the latest Dredd movie was really badass

Fight club is satire you mongs
It's something only kaczynskitards and frat bros take at face value. Learn the difference between depth and superficiality. If anything it examines the dynamics of raw pathos

fuckoff jew, only someone dumb enough love an apartheid state like israel just because they were born jewish would post something this reactionary

you are not a leftist, you are just a moron

Except for the neoliberal war machine
I guess I'm just not "principled" enough to support fascists against Putin, or vice versa.
Except for the neoliberal war machine
There's a difference from South Africa and Rhodesia found in the sheer level of sustained Western support, which is almost entirely geopolitical. The bourgies have far stronger material interests in the Middle East and will go to greater lengths to support a western-style or western-complicit regime. Saudi Arabia is beheading gays with American machetes. Leaving Iraq to be saddamized was fine until they stopped playing ball. Look at the history of Iran for chrissakes.
"Decolonization" was not a human rights project but a regrouping of international capital to reach a more efficient execution
I mean the takeaway isn't "man, jews are mean," but that uncritical support for the suppression of human rights in the name of "security"and uncritical support for any other action in the name of "human rights" go hand in hand and form the basis of the global interventionist politics of capital. Those are, like, the two main dials.
Talking points about how Israel is fighting for survival and therefore the next round of Gaza bombings is justified require a lot of credulity, as do the discriminatory "right of return" laws. At the same time abolishing the country tomorrow wouldn't fundamentally solve anything and would likely lead to a more volatile imperialist strategy in the region.
If Israelis and Saudis hate each other, why are they both America's butt buddies? Do think dialectically, my comrade.

Yup. Same thing with Warhammer 40k. Same thing with California Uber Alles back in the day.

Anyone who thinks the Emperor in 40k did the right things is a laughable retard.

For some reason, they seem to think trump is the best candidate for Emperor.

Hmmm.

You sure it was satire though and not merely masquerading as it.

I agree with all your points but it sucked white disaffected middle class boi dick way too hard for it to be a mistake.

I used to say the same thing about scar face but it glorified petite bourgeois violence and humanized scar face with the whole no kill kids policy that it had to be on purpose

He was the good guy in both movies.

Burgers did the same with Starship Troopers. I remember being in high school and laughing at the hurbris of the movies federal gov.

I grew up on a military based and would here almost word for word the hard core ignorant jingoistic bullshit spouted from active duty soilders like in the movie

The book was a lot clearer on satirizing the various characters' beliefs. Perhaps some of that was lost, ever so ironically, in the mass commercialization of the film.

I actually enjoyed the Starship Troopers book more. I wouldn't consider the book Fascist, but without a doubt it's very right-wing and anti-communist. A lot of fun though and seeing how it influenced science fiction, particularly Japanese scifi, is interesting.

This level of autism should be punishable by death.

this also applies very well to socialists as well.

fuck off Holla Forums

top fucking kek

Honestly, nazis are far closer to postmodern nonsense and Derrida than any of us.

Capitalism is great! Consume! Corporations are our allies! You mad, little leftist? This is real life!


Lefist are pro corporations and pro consumerism you are the reason why our once great capitalism is now under control of private corporations!

It was AGAINST Holla Forums, dumdum.

Daily reminder nazifags are closetfurries

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I thought it was about aliens subverting and robbing humanity blind. The antagonists are outsiders, they are not human, but capitalism and yuppies are not outsiders, they are not alien but rather the unfortunate reality we find ourselves in.

Is it really a stretch to claim that the film is about the fear of the other? That it is about an elite that might as well be another species? Aliens?

There are a surprising amount of people who think this way.

Are you people just dumb or what?

green-pill me on the emperor, what did he do?

because its true?

The whole pre-heresy set is basically dealing with the various lies the Emperor tells humanity to try to keep them safe that eventually come back to bite them in the ass. The biggest one is his enforcement of the Imperial Truth, that there are no gods or supernatural forces. Despite that knew very well that the Chaos Gods existed. It ends up leaving humanity totally vulnerable to the influences of Chaos, especially the Primarchs. He also bullshits more than a few times on xenos and other scattered humans. It's a major reason the Imperium has as many problems as it does later.

how blind can a man be of his own work

thats summ scientology right there

The point is that it doesn't matter if the porkies are Jews or not. All porkies are bad. Holla Forums literally wouldn't care about all the shit they complain about if the porkies were all white because they don't actually care about the cancer caused by consumerism or capitalist oligarchy, they only care about their spooks.

Worse yet is their told by other polyps that some are jews with le merchant memes, even when they aren't, in order to try to convert normies.

so did the emperor completely fuck up any chance of the imperium forming an alliance with the eldar and tau?

Kinda makes sense TBH.

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their view of jews is literally what we think of capitalists though so its not really incompatible lol

I think you're dumb if you think you have to accept post-modern conclusions and modes of thought after criticizing it just because of an influential essay written 50 years.

How could they ever think that Carpenter was on there side? Did they watch Escape from L.A? When ever he's political he's always been against conservatism and small government crap.

Hmmm.

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Death of the author is and always will be fucking retards. It's like going >spooks don't exist, I know more about Stirner's book than stirner! PAAYYYTTTENTION TO MEEEEE!

Found your problem. Fyi Most conservative literary scholars don't care about authorial intent either except when it suits them. I've never thought that disregarding authorial intent entirely was a legitimate approach but I don't make the rules.

They pretty much already have. Moldbug's entire "cathedral" theory is basically just a postmodern theory of knowledge reapplied to argue against democracy, non-Austrian economics, and a solid understanding of population genetics (read: non-racism).

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