This is a reminder to anyone that has ever meme'd about revolutionary socialism...

My idea is to simply create a model that small groups of people can easily emulate and then advertise it as such.

I am saving the money to start a co-operative, ideally it would get to a stage where we had a network of co-operatives and a network of people creating situations that exposed capitalism while at the same time advertising the co-operative network.

In the beginning we could merely espouse the idea and point to existing models, in my more advanced vision the networks would be one and the same thing

we just need to advertise workplace democracy

i know, theyre part of my social circle. most of them are hung up with idpol or teenage tankies however who only want to bash the fash. in my local antifa meetup there have been 3 undercover agents in the last 5 years alone infiltrating it. its fucking hilarious and sad at the same time

trust me the socialist revolution will not come out of germany anytime soon

Is it a good idea to join Richard Wolff's group?

Yes I suppose. But i don't think he proposes in nearly as punchy enough a package and doesn't really connect it with real people.

Controversy must be created. You have to troll the liberal media into talking about you incessantly

So break away from all the antifa etc and start something new. The left needs a new incarnation, what it needs is specifically an economic model in opposition to neo liberalism, that can be implemented with or without idpol.

Nobody in the modern era has really every suggested radical democracy as an approach. Occupy wall street to a degree but the message was diluted. We need to be clear and concise and controversial.

Not just opposing racism or facsim, but suggesting a solution to route out the material cause altogether.

Not just opposing immigration, but giving communities the power to control their own streets.

This is direct democracy

Chomsky suggested it, but he suggested it by voting Democrat which is patently never going to fucking happen.

How do you deal with the paralysing partisanship which so effectively dissolved the occupy movement. The left has to many causes on the go as is how do you get people to drop their idpol, whether it be blm or feminism or trans rights or whatever and adopt a path that doesn't seem to so specifically speak to them without getting yourself and your cause labled an enemy?

By making clearly it clearly that in calling for direct democracy we mean that for absolutely everyone. We want 100% of society to have the same rights of participation in society, period.

Every time a question is asked, simply bring it back to direct democracy and do not be derailed. Always make clear that this movement is purely to stand in solidarity with exploited working people and to promote democracy in the workplace specifically. Don't talk about anything else.

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Well to start you need to have actual leadership with clear goals and a unifying ideology. This whole notion of a big tent party or movement is destined to fail. Also get rid of the progressive stack bullshit.

make it a movement based on an agreement, the base agreement being that we believe in democracy in the workplace and that want to promote it. Make it here to all involved that they may believe whatever they want in terms of identity politics, but this movement is specifically for the promotion of direct democracy.

That is the one fight we want to fight. We don't want to have to answer to criticisms of any other movement, we just want to have a international conversation specifically about workplace democracy.

In this way we are not anti-ipdol we are a single issue protest BUT this single issue encompasses every other issue.

i don't have the energy to socialize much less agitate politically

i'm just gonna stay indoors and read my books to be honest

There is no point of sacrificing yourself while young

I agree with your post, but nowdays it's simply pointless to do anything. There's nothing we can do but wait.
In the 2010 NATO gathering, there was a protest scheduled for one day. Every elected leader from every NATO country was there. They mounted a huge circle barrier making impossible for you to come close to the place of the meeting.
So i went there to the protest, because i am anti NATO. The protestes happened in a part of city miles away from where the barriers were placed. But instead of the protest to move and as we should all go there until it was possible for to go and make ourselves heard, we just stay there…there were people talking about their personal lifes, there were people smoking weed, people were laughing, people were taking pictures with their phones. Meanwhile the NATO coucil proceeded without a worry in the world.

This is what the left has become. A protest is not about making yourself heard, it's a real life facebook event where people go to mingle.
I never went to a protest again after that experience. I stopped associating myself with this kind of people. They are not interested in change or in revolution or being together to achieve things.
The left has died. So my only hope is to wait…wait for the collapse of the global capitalist market, because my only hope is when the people will feel hungry, they will get mad and there will be a revolution afterwards. Now we're all just comfortable inside our bubbles.

Know whats a great way to overcome depression?

Doing stuff, maybe if you did a little stuff it would break you out of your depression?

You would not be sacrificing yourself.

Right exactly, so its times to do away with these forms of protest, this is exactly what I don't want to do, I want specific protests addressing specific issues with a specific remedy.

Wait? No, create. Educate, by spreading the word of direct democracy. Agitate, by creating situations and organise, by organising leftists into groups to create these situations and eventually to build co-operative industry

Occupy proved the impotence of direct democracy. Mic check, show me your twinkle fingers.

What is Switzerland direct democracy for 1000€?

Exactly how? Occupy by proved that you need a coherent message and that occupying empty spaces largely creates no problems for porky.

We need to Occupy the real economy with co-operatives and Occupy the news media with situations. Attack both base and superstructure

and as you will notice, what I suggest is not Occupy but something quite different

Go ahead and mobilize the 200 members of PSL if you have the funding. Perhaps you can shut down a bridge or something.

why are you pretending I want occupy again and arguing with that instead of what I am actually saying?

I want to go after specific businesses and have a specific alternative.

Stop naysayer strawmanning, if past protest failing is a reason not to make protests in the future then we might as well give up entirely

The only other suggestion I have seen in this thread is 'wait' which is no suggestion at all.

Whats yours?

because the country I love in is hopelessly classcucked

which country? Uncuck it, thats the point

A spontaneous revolution is not on the way and no communist or socialist party has the numbers needed for electoral success. Entryism seems like the only option. However, entryism can result in compromise and vigilant centrists are McCarthy-like in their paranoia about such a strategy. Just look at their response to Sanders and Corbyn, who in spite of memes are not even entryists.

Another option would be direct action engaged in by a small group of committed activists. Such an organization could take action against high profile capitalists, in particular those that have drawn public condemnation for their role in the financial crash of 2008, price-gouging pharmaceuticals and influencing politics.

If you know what I mean.

Entryism has so far failed. What you describe in the second part however is much closer to what I think. It is my hope that a direct action group develops into something with that scope, so why not get on board, where are you from?

Do what the Bolsheviks did and what Kaczynski talks about. Exclude the liberal card-carriers and lifestylists, they'll destroy you from within. Focus on establishing a SMALL BUT HIGH QUALITY group of people PREPARED FOR DIRECT ACTION.

where does he talk about this?

you don't need to exclude them, you just need to make it clear this is a movement to promote direct democracy and not for idpol. As the group theoretically starts here, it will be the democratic imperative of the group that it remains so. Later, as the group widens, this may come under attack, at this point it will be up to the core to argue the case. At this point, the actions and success of the group so far should make up a large part of this case. Indeed, as a large part of our attraction will be our lack of idpol, it is unlikely our voting base would be flooded with idpol, as they would be put off we weren't originally pandering to their snowflake preferences. If anything this would help us to gain both popularity and controversy.

I can get on board with starting out Small and High Quality though. That is why I come here. I would like several small but high quality cells in different countries ready to act in a co-ordinated manner but without central leadership

And that is the problem, imagine what could be accomplished if anarchists and commumists engaged in terror acts like muslims, but aiimed at the capitalists

We could do it when old as that way, if one gets caught or die, you are in yoir deathbed

Do you live in fucking Bavaria or what is your problem? Get the fuck out of there

Say hi to your ASAC for me feddie!

Then people would hate communists like they currently hate Muslims. Are you fucking retarded?

Most people no longer like killers. It isn't 1850, and they didn't really like bomb throwers back then either.

This way has been tried, and it failed. We are trying a new way.

what is?

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Working overtime porky? Its funny how everyone on /lefty/ can discuss theory but the momemt someone implies action, people like you reply

Are you, muslims attack civies, we would attack proky

What can we do, specifically?

I already help selling newspapers, maybe getting 3 sales on a good day because no one gives a shit.

I'm willing to go to protests when I can.

I'll educate anyone willing to listen.

Besides spouting this vauge bullshit of 'GIT UP N DOOOOOO SUMTING', what can I specifically do?

Assistant Special Agent in Charge. They are the line supervisors for the FBI.

Openly talking about committing terrorist activities on an online forum is at best some dumb as fuck shit that an edgy teenager would do and at worst something a Fed would say to dupe a dumbass edgy teenager.

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It was already a thing and it didn't work. Move on.

where are you? My specific idea is to create situations, acts of disruption, with the specific goal to advertise direct democracy, alongside the specific issue they raise.

The goal will be to bring the idea of co-operative management to the masses.

Ideally I would like a decentralised group to be able to carry out such acts in a co-ordinated fashion, globally.

To start with however, I am looking to build up isolated groups that will eventually turn into these more advanced groups. The idea at the moment is to practice solidarity and organisation of these situations in order to expand in scope.

As well as this, I aim to facilitate a network of co-operatives, which this situationist network would advertise.

Essentially we create direct democracy and then show it to the world with creative demonstration.

To start off with however, I have a few simple situations to create to get the ball rolling and get people talking. I also currently have 4g and counting that I am going to use to set up a cp-op in the near future.

For right now, I would like people to meet in their local area to form cells for co-ordinated situations. Little things, which will become bigger.

Not even trying now feddie

I ask where you are because if it the UK then the answer is come and meet me so we can plan situations

Yes, I'm in the UK. Living on campus in Brighton atm.

What actions or situations? What are you actually going to do?

Telling you that terrorism and propaganda of the deed are ineffective is not telling you to stop organizing with the working class.

well how about it?

I'd love a trip to Brighton tbh.

I don't really want to say online. Just trust that I have a whole punch of ideas for creative disruption. I know that's asking a lot for a guy on the internet but consider how many of these threads I made, I started making them last year.

The ideas I have are specifically designed to be easy to carry out and to be media focused, as well as demonstrating direct solidarity to people in real struggles.

I have at least three in mind that could be executed in a matter of weeks at almost no cost if I had willing participants.

Well what would we do specifically?

there was another guy from Wakefield who was interested before, I think if I had another person willing he would probably also be interested to join in.

Initially, meet up so I can describe my ideas IRL, then after that hopefully carry them out.

Well, you dont wanna tell me your ideas online first to see if I'm interested?

Are you Interested in engaging in creative direct action against Amazon, Debenhams, RBS and Donald Trump? Fun ways to troll these organisations IRL?

Yes but how exactly do you intend to do it?

Not a fan of lifestylism tbh

I go out and spraypaint the streets at night with anarchist and squatter movement messages every now and then, is that good?

Do you even squat, bro?

For obvious reasons, I'm not going to say online. One involves a water bed, one involves building a wall.

Exactly how is this lifestyleism? I'm proposing direct action

So, are these extremely illigal things somehow? Why dont you wanna explain here?

not extremely illegal, in some cases not even illegal, not that legality matters when it comes to porky shutting down protest

Well yea in that case why cant you just say here?

not EXTREMELY illegal doesn't mean not illegal.

Doesn't have to be illegal like I said. If they know they'll make a way to shut it down.

If you really want to know we can exchange emails and skype or use discord to discuss

but IDK if you are actually interested so IDK if its worth my while

Well I wanna know if it's worth my while to go and meet someone when they can just tell me what they're doing online.

fuck off pol

but I can't, as I've just explained.

I'm not pol I'm a regular poster

Well, fine, simply because I'm curious, I'll meet up in Brighton some time.

How dare people spread international socialism on a medium which can connect anybody across the world, regardless of distance!

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How likely do you think it is that you would be prepared to do what I suggest?

is it really spreading if its contained to one image board. Discussion is good, action is better

Well I have no idea what it is you wanna do.

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