Tfw all the Holla Forums shit flinging and constant criticism of each ideology means I can't decide on which one works...

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Join us, we are the only faction here with real power.

What is it that draws you to Marxism-Leninism and anarchism user?

Smashing is more fun, because many modern anarchist movements directly concern themselves with being enjoyable to participate in.

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So they are lifestylists?

Historical record of obtaining power and holding onto it for long periods of time, rapid industrialisation, helps the poorest through education/healthcare etc

Avoids the pitfalls of dictatorship, does away with state tyranny and class, allows for human emancipation

Behold the power of SYRIZA, as they do whatever the IMF and EU tell them!

M-L states certainly lasted longer than any anarchist experiments but now they've almost all collapsed or become revisionist.

Much less relevant today than it was in the early 20th century.

No reason an anarchist society couldn't do this as well.

Smash. You can have more fun.

just call your self an intersectional socialist and read until you find something you feel is logical
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Be a Tankie. Smashies are usually effeminate faggots. Tankies are real men.

Be an anarchist and advocate for military co-ops.

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kill urself fam

Why conform to either? If there was a revolution today, the theory provided by both tankies and smashies really isn't enough to set up a sustainable leftist political and economic system. You should use that big brain to instead to study a wide breadth of literature and to draft how a post-revolutionary society should run in 2017; let disagreements on these idealized systems create new, more relevant sects.

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Is this even a contest? But keep in mind, it's not about ideology alone.

Let me quote comrade Lenin:

That said, most contemporary Anarchists I've interacted with are either SocDem in denial or AnCap (there are even Anarcho-Fashists - I'm not joking).

>Avoids the pitfalls of dictatorship, does away with state tyranny and class, allows for human emancipation
Last two are wrong. Also, you forgot to add "in theory".

All Anarchist experiments collapsed. Both lasted longer, and have less collapsed at the moment.

Robotisation of industry? Fully automated factories? Thermonuclear reactors?

In Europe maybe, but in Africa, large swathes of Asia and Latin America, they're still miles behind

Europe also requires a lot of industrialization.

Even current consumption levels are unsustainable with current factories - a lot of stuff is imported. If you want improvement, numbers of factories has to be doubled and tripled.

are there really enough resources for that?

Of course there are. Don't you forget that there's a shit ton of corporation producing the exact same products.
So if you remove them all and have a factory producing each it's own high quality product, you're going to save resources and be able to built the other needed factories.

Don't be stupid be a smarty come and join the nazbol party

sell nazbolism to me

Fuck it, as long as you're a communist, you're a comrade of mine and I will happily fight alongside you whatever tendency you are.

Nazbol is the political equivalent of sonichu. Just fuck off to pol already half assed nazis

thanks fam

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this one gets it

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And that does what? Turn him into a retard that can't talk to regular working class people because he filled the head with useless theory? kek
We don't need another Zizek. We need actual leaders.

Like any fucking mouth-breather on Holla Forums has any chance of becoming a leader.

This.

'Actual leaders'? Like Lenin and Stalin who devoted their entire lives to studying Marxism? There is no practical leadership without theoretical leadership - people like you are the problem with the modern left; so eager to feel like your doing something that you actually achieve nothing.

This is good advice. Holla Forums is useless for any actual theory or praxis. I come here because I'm a bored autist with too much time on their hands. Its good for fun and shitposting. Reading theory, organising in your local communities and agitating is actually useful.

idk how to do that fam

Criticize all ideologies. The moment you settle for an ideology is the moment you become a worthless dogmatist.

The purpose of ideology is to fragment and drain out our individual cognition into circular thinking and rationalization, so it cannot participate in the organic collective meaning formation of a functional free society. Its function is to conceal, justify and distort, not to enlighten and emancipate.

Remember, there is no post-left, only proto-left and left. If you don't think for yourself you're already in the gulag of your own mind, and 3/4 of the way to being dead already.

Leftypol is a good outlet for discussing theory, if only to solidify what you've learned by applying it to Holla Forumsyp invasions.

hmmmmmm

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Whatever you choose, just remember to support fellow leftists and not fall into sectarianism

Looking at you Rosafags

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No we have to supersede sectarianism and destroy it, and expose all the larpers, opportunists, closet psychos and the like. Picking one of the dominant "teams" here is a tacit admission to autism.

WTF is up with all the leftcom false-flagging?


ideologies don't "work"
movements of people (in capitalism, classes) do

I don't support capitalists.

Protip: ideologies don't "work"

Wow…is that what you take from what i've said? kek
You therorists/academics really are useless retards.

HAS ANYONE HERE YET ORGANISED ANYTHING FOR THE WORKING CLASS IN THE LAST 2 YEARS OF LEFTYPOL!?

This is just one big stupid fucking roleplay game where you guys pretend to go to rojava or organise shit. And nobody and i mean nobody actually does it and when people go into theory you get the biggest jokes of narcissistic intellectualism with a huge superiority complex that they know that their world narrative is THE ONE and that everything else is WRONG and dedicate all their time to assert their religion upon other religions to show the true interpitation of life and actually do jack fucking shit to bring it into reality by organising or anything.

Anybody who treats this place seriousily and not as a parody of the dead left is properly a teenager or 20 years old naive stupid shit.

no but i regularly participate, does that count?

Gee OP, that one sure is hard…

It mathers when you got the perfect moments and we missed it so fucking hard that the left has died. 2008 was the fucking moment and we blew it, greece could have fucking started it all but gues hey ho hey yo who again and again and always and always ruins it for every single socialist group may they be anarchist or stalinist. Its the fucking socdems ruining eveyr single god damn thing with their reformist total fucking shit instead of fucking taking all the company's and going ahole on the country. The great depression WAS THE MOMENT and i mean THE MOMENT and hey ho hey go soc dems betrayed the communists and gave fascism the free ticket to a country wich would have helped the boplshiviks have a chance against he polish and give the free pass to europe for an actual global revolution. But hey ho hey ho again when we have a huge chance socdems ruin litteraly every single thing. Im angry grrrr im an anarchist but i take any fucking genocidal ML'er over any socdem cumdumpster for fascists.

I've organised reading and discussion groups among my friends and have personally converted several to leftism and it's various stripes.

Just because you're a lazy piece of shit doesn't mean everyone here is.

Wow its fucking nothing.

idpol ruined 08 not socdem

What have you ever done

not really. it wasnt that idpol ruined it, its rather that not enough people were truly affected. 2008 never really went off, instead the bomb was sealed away for a later date. the market is in for a boom that was over a hundred years in the making and ill give it about 5 more years tops before we hit defcon 1

It really isn't. Most people on here are morons who don't read.

this, i use this place for memes