Is there an actual argument against maoism.third worldism?

First world proles dindu nuffin

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proletarian_nation
Its interesting how this was a concept within Italian fascism.

you are right, of course these are important factors, but keep in mind the following:

since the currencies of the first world are overvalorated due to imperialism, then first world population is much more likely to support imperialist policies, such event have happened in germany with the nazis, and practically every other fascist reaction.

the first argument is nothing but to say that first world have the ownership of the means of production in their borders which provides them high technologic development; it's the exact same as what happen with capitalism, but now in a larger scale.
even further, first world is not only the owner of their own means of productions and factories, but a high percentage of hird worlds mines, farms, factories and natural resources.

now the second argument is pretty good tbqh.

Makes sense considering how Sultangaliyev was basically a proto-Nazbol.

I'd say its mainly 1. there hasn't been a serious proletarian vanguard party in most imperialist countries 2. there hasn't been an inter-imperialist war to mobilize the masses and shake bourgeois class rule in the global North. Vietnam was the last imperialist war that directly affected the masses of people in the US.

We only have to look to all the chaos and violence going on Greece to realize that revolution in the first world is possible, even if it is by no means easy. Unfortunately, Greece hasn't had a solid anti-revisionist party to help aid the masses in their revolt.

I have seen the video. MTW is a joke and is barely marxist at all. Poor farmers lack the political consciousness necessary to create socialism, let alone communism. Third world "socialism" just turns into an oligarchy like China. It's even worse than the USSR at this point. Neoliberalism is the only way forward. It will simultaneously enrich the third world while making the proles in the 1st world poorer, thereby making them much more likely to engage in revolutionary behavior. Any country that stands in the way of this, be it Russia or China, should be destroyed.

Reminder that Soviet social-imperialism allied itself with western imperialism against the Third World Indo-Chinese people. Bite the bullet, embrace rural Maoism and advocate Year Zero, Third Worldists.

Holy shit. That describes MTW to a T.

Because Maoism supports state ownership not worker ownership.

Literally not successful.

Literally lead to fascism.

Lead to the New Deal.

A bunch of kids tried to take power but the masses weren't with them.

APOLOGIZE

It's almost as if the bourgeoisie mobilizes reaction the more unstable its class rule becomes and the more the masses push towards revolution. If your afraid mobilizing the proletariat will lead to counter-revolutionaries possibly taking power then you should quit trying altogether–you're not the kind of person who even has an ancillary role doing revolutionary work or propaganda.

All your objections consist of the fact that these attempts at revolution failed but you fail to note that there were many failed revolutions in the Third World and the 1905 revolution wasn't exactly a success tbh… it merely proved it was possible.

As far as may 68 the first and second caveats of my point take care of it pretty soundly it was mostly lead by petit-bourgeois student anarchists and maoists. However, even MIM admitted that it put the French government in such a bad way that the French proletariat could've seized power if they had proper leadership.

It's just nationalism under another guise.
It's delusional

yeah, that sounds pretty good, it's called materialism isn't it?

so, your argument is that border discrimination will eventually end up as nationalism, and finally as racism or other reactionary components?
well, maybe, there is gonna be a revolution that will led up with a dictatorship of the proletariat, that could become racist in a blink, now i think the only possible way not to let revolutions to become reactionary is to promote internationalism and friendship with other third world countries, such as what has happened in north korea and cuba.

now that's a good point, it's kind of like what happened in yugoslavia isn't it?

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derp i just answered another guy

This. Third worldism isn't a thing anymore because the nascent third world bourgeoisie (i.e. the nationalists) no longer have any need for it. Capitalist is now working in their favor.

It's materialism, but it's not DIALECTICAL materialism.

Marxism is all about self interest, not good and evil. If what he says is true, and I've really got everything so great, I might as well just quit communism now.

The third world is spooked as fuck. If third worldism was correct we'd be seeing a ton of communist revolutions all throughout the TW but we don't. We do see jihadis and fascists.

Are you retarded?

Jason Unruhe's history with leftypol

Communism isn't nearly as popular as religion and nationalism in the third world.

Daily reminder that MTW were only numerous during the cold war because the communist bloc was actively financing them. Once that money disappeared they went away.

most nationalist rebels in the third world are socialist?

Most aren't.

They are en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflicts

Maoism Third-Worldism = National Bolshevism + Anarcho-Primitivism

*Some* of them are left-wing influenced but it's a huge stretch to claim nationalist struggles are automatically leftist.

That sounds delightfully edgy.

What is this image from?

Sid and Nancy

Turd worldism is by far the WORST and most illogical thing to come out of Maoism, postmodernism and theoretical antihumanism.

Socialism can only come about when capitalism starts to naturally decline. Trying to force socialism through military uprisings has never worked and only resulted in state capitalism and bourgeois nationalist revolutions passed off as "socialist." Socialism can likewise only take off in the most developed nations which have the technology, education and socially liberal (aka un-spooked) population. If any third world country had a "socialist" revolution it would certain degenerate into state capitalism from the very start.

Every fucking time

This is your brain on leftcom ideology

It's not that hard to see when you put it into context. Just imagine if a vanguard party had tried to overthrow feudalism and implement full-blown capitalism in the 1500s. That's how stupid Leninists are.

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>you can trust a noble soul like myself because I support open murderous imperialist capitalism in your country an added bonus is it helps prop up my lifestyle!
Literally leftcoms. You don't have to be a genius to see how self-justifying, inconsistent, and plain retarded you're being.

Off by only a century.

You a council com? Bordiga was a Leninist I believe.

Maoist third-worldism is not marxist, and thus not maoist.
It is based solely on romanticizing people in the third world and thinking that they will *always* attempt a socialist revolution for whatever fucking reason.
MTW has many theoretical faults, especially wrt first world revolutionary potential.
One of the major faults is the view that people in the first world, specifically the labour aristocracy, are conscious and knowledgeable about capitalism, how it works, and how they benefit from Imperialism.
Maoist third worldism seems to reject any theoretical foundations of marxism, leninism, and maoism.
Though, I do agree with it having basis in postmodernism and anti-humanism.

I largely agree with you on this, however I'd posit that it wasn't necessarily the attempt at 'forcing socialism', than it is a problem with the theory of the vanguard that inevitably leads to the return of capitalist relations.

We'll have to wait for one of the Socialist insurrections to gain control of their respective countries before we can say for certain about that.

Like clockwork

Yeah the left isn't going anywhere

This shit again huh?
karlthisell.wordpress.com/2016/05/16/on-third-worldism-and-anti-imperialism/

Could you explain why more thoroughly? I fully agree with you but I'd like more detail since MTWists are quite profound online.

This isn't true.

twitter.com/LeadingLightCO/status/723339071213428736

Aren't they a crime syndicate?

To my knowledge, Prairie Fire is a drug addict and dealer who has been arrested for selling hard drugs. He spent time in jail last year for assaulting a cop as the cop pulled him over and asked to inspect his car (which was full of drugs). I think he's out of jail now.

Why do people do this? Tumblr has a better comment system/system for conversation and gives you more exposure.
Are communists really afraid of seeming too much like pussies?
It's like they take the admirable goal of being ethical and mistake it for the contemptible goal of being respectable within the values of the intelligentsia and bourgeoisie.
I don't see any legitimate reason for this shit other than if you're scared of sjws. I just don't.

But look at all the books they've written!

lulu.com/spotlight/LLCO

Based Jason Unruhe. Most intelligent communist on youtube today.

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Keep being delusional.

first world*

its about culling the population.

all his philosophical and cultural ideas, as lofty and intelligent and well meaning they were, ended in death. through famine and massacre. its almost like he saw the budding problem of population control and did his part to slow the inevitable collapse that it will bring. he may have saved time, but it is inevitable nonetheless.

either that was his intention, or he was a western plant with that goal. at the end of the hole is population control, if you look at the world through that lense wars make sense, not only dollars. and china has always been the country that has had to face that reality head on given the fact that they by a large margin have the biggest population, and there for population problem. any society that pushes for a return to agrarian times really just wants to remove a significant portion of the population. because agrarian societies can only function with a low population.

think about it.

"Prairie Fire" is a rich white boy who does acid all day and lives off his parents' money.

Jason Unruhe is a fatty who lives with his mom and fakes Native American heritage so he can claim to be non-white.

Both of them are frauds.

This was basically Sultangaliyev's argument, that third world nationalist revolutions would inherently take on a socialist or communistic character, because most third world peoples had always lived communally and for them communism was just returning to their "true" or "authentic" culture.

AKA it abandons class essentialism for race and cultural essentialism.

LLCO are pigs.

sarvanash.blogspot.com/2016/03/the-leading-light-communist.html

Arguable, but more importantly: his is theories of how to act within Imperialism valid today? Whatever the answer may be to this question, it still doesn't dispel the fact that MLs act like nothing has changed in over 100 years.

Literally who gives a fuck? Wordpress has more interesting blogs, so I use wordpress.

He claims to be Sami to my knowledge.

The Sami are not Native American. Jason literally has no proof that he has any Sami ancestry whatsoever, not even family stories. He claims a Shaman told him that he saw a "Native American looking people" in his ancestry. This very well could have been Jason's Celtic ancestors, being that he's Irish.

The Sami are closely related both genetically and linguistically to Finns and Estonians, and to a lesser extent, Hungarians.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unruhe

Jason has claimed "Unruhe" is his mother's Sami maiden name, I kid you not.

People here (and radical leftists in general) have an exposure problem. A large part of it is due to a fear of in one way or another becoming systematically cancerous like mainstream media or the alt-right, but simply putting your blog on tumblr isn't unethically or cancerously advertising it.
What? Your blog won't magically get worse if you put it on tumblr. Looking more respectable to academics isn't important, which is the only advantage that you've pointed out.

Thanks for this.