Why does it seem like we're so anti-consumerist?

Why does it seem like we're so anti-consumerist?

It's gotten to the point where the general attitude here on Holla Forums is that spending money on video games is evil. More specifically:

1. Spending money on video games doesn't make the industry better because it only encourages more sub-par game experiences or exploitative DLC/microtransaction setups.

2. Spending money on video games is pointless because anyone, with enough effort and know-how, can simply pirate both console and PC games and play them for free.

3. Spending money on video games means you're a corporate whore that mindlessly follows the will of the evil corporations because you're too ignorant or blinded by your petty and childish fanboyism to see it any other way.

Since when have video games become something else than a product which can be bought or sold that people hate the idea of buying or other people selling games?

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It is because most companies are shit and do not deserve your money

Too much corporate fuckery in the past decade. Consumer trust at an all time low.

All those things you just said have nothing to do with the fact everyone in the industry is an asshole.

Because Holla Forums knows capitalism is the root of all evil and communism is the only solution.

That's how it should be, you should only pay for smaller games that need support, or donate to its developer if it's free.

fishin' for them (you)s famalam?

Because consumer is cancer, and only serves to make people into corporate whore cattle for the kikes at the top, it is not a healthy capitalist partnership between buyer and seller, especially because there is no competition today.

And you're some sort of authority on the subject because?

No wonder this board hates the PS4, the only platform with games right now.
If only you'd get over your money phobia.

Hello ruggarel

recent decade companies have been so disgustingly jewish, they throw you trash and expect you to give them money. it's like some asshole trying to sell you some shit and getting in your face and visibly angry when you say no.

Not to mention that all the telemetry garbage in every software, and fucking DRM being shoved on everyone's fucking computer basically saying you are a pirate even though you paid for this game. FUCK THEM.

Because, if given the chance, Holla Forums and most of Holla Forums would check the fuck out of society and spend the rest of its days living in quiet solitude, playing old games and emulators, and fapping to their Mongolian Cave Painting girls.

We've long since passed the "fuck this gay Earth" stage, and now we're all ready to just say "fuck it." and go be hermits.

Also this Most vidya companies are utter fucking shit and don't deserve our money. They are the ones who are anti-consumer. We're just sick of them being rewarded for it.

Because I'm beautiful? Do I need to be authority to discuss things?

OP is a faggot.

ALSO forcing feminist garbage in everyone's face and when people complain that's not what they want in their games they say to fuck off and deal with it.

Paid online, dlc ,microtransactions, season pass, online pass , prices re too high, games have no difficulty and turned into holywood westernized trash and feminist trash, region lock, shit translation, censorship, age rating system and many more. Why bother?

Because you suck giant dicks, OP.

I can download all manner of new games from the internet and play them, and yet I'm playing Jagged Alliance 2 and Fallout 2. That's why.

under communism there is no such thing as welfare or money since under communism everything is free or provided by the state or under a techno-communist state robots produce everything people need.

what you are going on about is a form of socialism.

Lefitists scum got the industry to turn in some sucking political correct shit and win money.

When we complaim about the shitty industry they made, they say is capitalism fault.

Most developers and publishers admit that they don't care about hardcore gamers at all, so they shouldn't care about not getting our filthy neetbux, right?

I still throw down money on the odd game that's worth a shit, although intrusive DRM and poor localization jobs can make even those rare purchases hard if not impossible to justify at times. And even niche developers only stay niche until a few big news sites cover their hot new "underground classic".

This hidden premise is false and you didn't even try to convince us of it.

why does this guy keep coming back

It's not about video games idiot, its about Money.

That fucking spacing OP.

There have been so many bait and switches that everyone on here is too jaded to give anyone a chance.

This is a kinda the thing Holla Forums will never understand. Most of them justify it with "I'm spreading awareness marketing", but in reality the fact piracy exist makes it so risky to work for a more hardcore audience in mind. So they go to the audience who is literally too retarded to pirate. Not to mention Holla Forums is shrinking by the day and all the new people who want a challenge nowadays play e-sports shit. Indie and AA still exists but they can't get off the ground because their first shoddy game wont sell since everyone in the niche is too nit-picky to buy it, or the dev thinks he can make a game made by entire team of people by himself.

This is more towards nintendrones and shit who will gladly buy whatever the fuck nintendo shits out, or people who have been playing video games their whole life but are too retarded to realize their console is just a PC with the lock on the games and hardware although 10/10 times it's just a baiter

Honestly a bigger part of the problem is that shitting out games is so easy nowadays that devs opt for 1-man teams, and the quality suffers. We're stuck with glorified flash games.

Because consumerism is bad, fuckface.
It is.
Duh.
Sure.
lol, don’t project yourself onto others.
SINCE 2007 WHEN THE KIKES TOOK OVER.

I hate all corporations and don't pay for shit from any of them.

Because he's butthurt that he has a micropenis

I am anti corporate consumer, I guess? I don't know. I dont put much thought into picking a game. I had to go to walmart today to get a phone cord and walked through the gaming section. None of it is interesting to me. I do like how the ps4 controller looks. Besides that, I have an everlasting backlog of old games that I am ripping through. I am thankful enough I got to borrow a ps4 and play bloodborne through twice for free. Was a pretty good game.

When publisher and console manufacturers are shameless kikes whose every damn decision is anti-consumer, it follows that to give them business makes you anti-consumer. It's not complicated. Save your money for the few companies that deserve it, pirate everything else.

its the only platform with NEW games.
big distinction there.

If any dev rises up too much, there is so much temptation to jew out by a large monolithic corporation or a gigantic audience of retards, that they'll eventually crack. It's just human nature.

It started with EA

many hollywood fags also took a notice to call of duty modern warfare 2 sales which topped 1 billion, which was huge more than any movie had grossed on a single night.

their noses got itchy and they followed the money and ruined the industry with their greed.

If they want me to pay for things they need to try better at making me pay for things.

At the moment it's not really mandatory, so I'm not going too.

Deal with it, jew.

Because most of us are tired of the shit they try to sell us.

Also, I would argue it started in 2004, it only took full blown effect in 2007.

Capitalism is a sistem of exchange with capital, lefitist are the ones who impose political correctness in video games and made the industry change to profit considering its advertise above "social status".

Now the industry needs to care for stupid things from social justice and cant produce somenthing freely and fun.


Lennin would be proud.

"but but why wont you give us money, user?" :(

wew lad

Not wanting to be jewed is pro consumer, OP.

Wow, what a sad time.

That's right comrade, everything will be free when we will be under TRUE communism!

When you have a culture of profit maximization who only want to make art for pure profit instead out of love or will or aesthetics and beauty and planned obsolescence exist is it any wonder people are easily jaded as fuck? Not to mention all the bad practices in the gaming industry like pre-ordering, yearly rehash, DLC, Microtransaction, DRM, etc.


A culture where infantile prevails and censorship is up your ass, where a creator can't freely express his ideas without a corporate cock coming down his ass and making a game that needs to sell and cater to the masses/kids and having the same cliche game mechanics as other games that have been done to death and staleness is the word of the day. Then you can talk shit, until then, fuck off.

The fact that we still have games that cater to kids instead of adults despite the fact that most people that play games are in their 30s says a lot.

Also, different from the good times, now video games are made on the base of the "vice" you and everybody can be tiggered, there are books of psicology that talk about that.

They dont need to make things fun anymore, they can just explore a apart of you brain that will get you hiked.

EA has been buying up its competition since the 80's.

Dude, where can I buy what you're on?

Back to the For Honor thread
Back to the Overcuck thread

South Park has episode about that.

All this psicologic study of propaganda stared in lennist soviet union and germany.

this but unironically

You called?

Get back on your meds, dude.

nope

Truthseeker is dead, Holla Forums buried him. Go away imposter.

da natzeez startd it cuz dey r evil!!111!!!oneone!!!2!!!

Video games are degenerate trash anyway. If you faggots weren't libtards, you would've joined us at Holla Forums already and left your kike-infested industry behind.

TruthSeeker is still alive. SudoCuck commited Sudoku and he faded away without an arch nemesis.
The Brogdandorf Twins also ascended to their rightful place as leaders of their alien people after the meme war was over.

Now Holla Forums only has shitty Master Shake and TrannyPoster, who try too hard for their (you)s.

The great majority of a nation is so feminine in its character and outlook that its thought and conduct are ruled by sentiment rather than by sober reasoning. This sentiment, however, is not complex, but simple and consistent. It is not highly differentiated, but has only the negative and positive notions of love and hatred, right and wrong, truth and falsehood.
Guess the author.

No. He is dead boardwise. He is now embarrassing himself on youtube. He even went on the stefan show.

you're going in the oven, your shit ideology is just that.

communism gave rise to feminism. stop being a shit eater and grow up.

Hey, cmon now user… Maybe THIS time it wont end in a horrible shitshow of human suffering, unbridled corruption, and technological regression?

I mean every single other time it has. But maybe not THIS time… You know what Einstein said: doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results: Well that just makes perfect sense.

communism and copyright violation are not the same thing, faggot.

There are only a few games that I like anymore. I maybe buy two or three new releases a year. Other than that, the industry has gone in a completely different direction than what suits my tastes, so there is very little incentive to buy anything. I saw franchises like Assassin's Creed and Mass Effect being born and die, and not give a single fuck about them in the slightest, despite being some of the most popular franchises of their time. Nothing about them appeal to me. I'm old enough to remember the casualization of the sixth generation of consoles and found games that I liked like Thief, Deus Ex, and even fucking Mario getting casualized for a new generation. These last two generations I'm seeing Thief, Deus Ex, Mario, Fallout, Elder Scrolls, Doom, and shit nobody cared about for 15 years like Shadow Warrior and Syndicate get rebranded and casualized. They don't make games for people like me very often anymore. This year, I bought Nioh, and I don't know of anything else coming out this year that interests me. I think Bloodborne 2 comes out during the holiday season, but I'm not sure. I'll never see another Ganbare Goemon game. They stopped localizing those 18 years ago, they only localized like four of them, and Konami thinks it's best to turn that franchise into a pachinko machine, which has zero market in the west.

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Because Holla Forums is full of commies and socialists that don't respect the concept of ownership unless it is theirs.

That's because the people have such a defeatist attitude about the power of the dollar, and that there are other games out there.


The people who do pirate games "in protest" instead of buying it are the worst type hypocrites. Either pirate the game and take pride in it, don't look for sympathy in it, don't look for the righteousness of it, and know full well of what you're doing; or just buy it and shut the Hell up.


Sounds like someone who's upset they're a cuck, but don't have enough will to stop being a cuck.

you wish leftypol garbage, not everyone is a fucking poorfag degenerate that gets of to humilation.

Also, this:

Yeah, some of them are Naziboos trying desperately to convince themselves that they aren't socialists or believe that cultures exist as classes because they drank too much Marx.

Nope. Maybe you think it's just roleplay but there are slavs here who genuinely don't want none of that shit ever again. It practically sent us back decades in development.

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Stop listening to shitposters. I've bought 4 games so far this year. RE7, Gravity Rush 2, Ni-Oh and pre-ordered Purse owner 5.

Despite what some might say, Holla Forums is not a hivemind that hates everything.

That's kinda strangely specific.

But why?

Guess which countries managed to stop being communist shitholes in the past few decades.

Every time.
Thanks for the video, Stefan is good watch every now and then.

Because I love every Persona game and have been waiting for 5 for 8+ years and wanted to make sure I got a copy of the special edition before it sold out. I usually don't pre-order but I made an exception this time. I hope I don't end up regretting it

I bought Front Mission 4 because I loved 3. Was I rewarded with a translation of 5? No.

But we got Front Mission Evolved.

Fuck the industry.

Do us a favour and go back to your containement board

I hope you dont get disappointed user, good luck

Nothing is the definition of communism and therefore we must keep genociding our peoples until we find the definition of communism.

If everyone is dead, everyone is equal.
We've missed it because we kept thinking about class and the economy, but it was always about the struggle for the dead to have rights compared to the living.

Oh, almost missed your post.

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Most of the fucking games there are not worth owning or not fucking exclusives.

The list of games that are worth buying AND exclusives are:
Everything else can be gotten on PC,Vita or not worth owning at all.

Revolt against the modern world. Praise Evola.

it`s been a while since I saw so much shit on a single thread, Holla Forums REALLY wants to meme Holla Forums to be one of them. you can see theya re trying extra hard since no capitalist pig meme was posted yet.

Also this is extra funny since the same fags who call themselves anti-capitalists and how it`s noble of Holla Forums to not bend to the games market yada yada will drop 20 bucks on Gone Homo and Her Story.

I cant find that image anywhere on the internet, do you have the full image.

The PS4 exclusives game meme is so funny.
Boy am I excited for all those exclusive Vita games, VNs and poor localisations!

I was in the thread but didn't save the pictures.

I only have this, not the article that came along with it

After you have been betrayed by false promises and over hype of shitty products you either become cynical and doubt everything that comes out or you keep being a naive consumer who believes that they will make it right in their next iteration.

Also, it is a general consensus that we hate video games in this board, I don't know why you are so surprised.

We're coming for your video games, bucko.

Back to cuckchan with you

I don't go to Holla Forums, can someone tell me more about Truthseeker? I seen his shit comics posted around a few times.

Someday

no pls ;-;


I have a shitty timeline that is filled with holes. I'll upload it to a pastebin in a second.

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That voice.
That defective reasoning.
Those dillusions about history, logic, reality and human beeings.
Why?
Why must they always enforce all the stereotypes?
Atleast it makes them easier to spot.

still waiting on a good game nowadays. i cant preorder after bf4 and no mans sky. didnt even buy bf1 becauseof battlefront.

atleast mechwarrior 5 and battletech are coming out

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That's about the whole story of TS, without the shitty stories people added, just the facts.

Because if they had any shred of insight or self-awareness they wouldn't be on the political left.

Point is that the Vita/PS TV is much cheaper and already has piracy(I think),5 fucking games at most is not that good of a deal for a console.

Unless you really like your movie games there's no real point in buying it unless you got shekels to spare.

I also forgot about KH3 on my game list like a goddamn retard.

It's pretty simple OP, most people in here are NEETs that don't have a job or any kind of income, because of this they prefer to pirate games and if you do anything that they don't approve of you become the Reddit fag

Yea, im just a silly poorfag who cant afford the expensive shit with golden glitters on it

Pick up your Saturn and your Bloodbornebox and shove it up your ass Sonygger shill.

A Vita (TV) can pretty much replace the need to buy a PS3/PS4. Also, PSP games are easy enough to pirate, as well as PS1 games.

Because Jews made technology stagnant and have halted progression in the medium of vidya with unoptimized crap that don't adhere to quality standards of game production.

Occam's Razor /thread

Holla Forums, that's why. I pirate most of my games, but if I like it I buy it.

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buying games

pirating game

Note how I didn't mention any videogame/console yet that didn't stop you from getting triggered, I must have hit the nail in the head

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Shouldn't you be pretending like you play all the platforms you own whike calling me a poorfag?

Curious that they were considered communist by the entire world before USSR broke down. This is such a pathetic tactic:

How did that game get into the second hand market in the first place?

actually we've only got a loud minority of people, there's alot of people here who buy games

Careful, you might actually rile someone up with that.

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Did someone say dead commies?
BURN IN HELL, COMMIE

Welcome to Holla Forumschan, newfag.

BURN IN HELL, COMMIE

1. Spending money on video games doesn't make the industry better. Spending money on video games just puts that money into the pocket of multinational corporations. You may argue that corporations have a cost of operation, and a cost of investment, and that is true. However, the money invested in the development is done so with the explicit intention of garnering a return, and therefore the development of games centers around strategies that will garner the most profit for the least amount of effort and investment, which has a detrimental effect on the general quality of the video games being produced.
2. Spending money on video games isn't pointless, capitalism isn't some great evil, and those who believe so are wrong. However, it is important for the general consumer to educate himself and develop a general sense of scrutiny, because the corporations that produce video games will do anything to acquire your money. They do not give a shit about how anti-consumer and damaging their practices are, so long as they're effective.
3. Brand loyalty, tribalism, and general stupidity are more prominent issues that cloud people's judgement than the mere act of purchase.

The solution is simple: 1) don't engage in extreme tribalism or loyalty to a corporate entity and their intellectual properties; 2) don't make a purchase until you are certain that the game meets all of your expectations; 3) constantly make an effort to examine your expectations so that you can maintain a reasonable outlook; 4) understand that money is the grease that lubricates the wheels of the industry. It is a tool to be used in order to aid progress, and should be used strategically to reward titles that you find appealing.

The problem is that corporations have "spies" or "shills" or "apologists" whose job is to infiltrate the marketplace of ideas and try to poison the well with logical fallacies that contribute to a chaotic atmosphere. They want to foster division and a lack of critical thinking because these things benefit the marketing teams that are responsible for making the masses invested in products.

In short, you should make an effort to be discerning before you invest in a title.

tl:dr

Pirate before you buy

Fuck off /leftpol/

You can see he's doing it for laughs, not to prove a point, by then.

You're a retard. We had this exact thread yesterday. I'll explain it the same way.

Scenario A:
Scenario B:

If you go out with the express intention of buying used games, you're expressly going out to give the Dev no money, same as a pirate.


[CITATION NEEDED]

If you buy new games you are an idiot. Most of the stuff nowadays is shit, so why do you need to buy new things anyway? I could play old things and have much more fun with it.

BURN IN HELL, COMMIE

These. It's a free market, if you don't like it, don't buy it.

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I'll spend money on games I'm very confident I'd like that don't try to jew me with DLC and shit. Also, only physical releases. I will only buy what I can actually own. I'm not about to spend money to lease a license for a game from ((Steam)) or whatever other download service you have.

The only games I've bought in the last year or so are Ratchet & Clank and Tearaway: Unfolded. Those were really good, even though Ratchet was still one of the worst in the series.

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Are you implying there are over 4.2 million Holla Forumsirgins here? Otherwise it's not a majority, and we're only talking Failout here, not vidya in general, where the number would be even higher

So you're saying we're going One Piece up in this?

BURN IN HELL, COMMIE

Mind walking me through the metanl gymnastics you're performing here?

The user I said needed to give a citation stated that pirates are a vocal minority on this board. He then said that the majority of Holla Forums buys their video games.

Why are you giving me FO4 owners charts?

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How do we solve the problem of "Not trusting developers/ publishers with our money"/ "Not trusting the consumer and player enough to give a shit about our product if they're just going to pirate it anyway."

There wouldn't be a piracy problem if the product is gud.

Burn in hell commie

You're assuming the consumer was a problem in the first place

Great post, what are some books or articles to show my normalfag friends that teaches critical thinking, like a guide on how to think because these retards continue to pre-order Madden and COD and always complain a month later that it's the same shit yet don't realize they keep buying it every year. And for you to have goo criteria people need to have good critical judgment which I doubt most people have when it comes to games.

Why? Why waste your bandwidth on a shit game?

They became that the moment buying or even playing a videogame became a way to virtue signal whatever message is atributed to the game.
As soon as people started playing videogames because of who made them, because of the topics surrounding it or because of the fame it has instead of just playing what they liked and though was fun, that's when things went to hell.

Nowadays you get the ridiculous situation where you may think a certain game is fun but you can't talk about it or even say you paid money for it. [FUN] is a buzzword and a bad argument, despite being the ultimate goal for videogames, a medium about entertaining you. This is about supporting the right people, and what decides who's right tends to be their political ideology first and how much cash they already have now.

Amplitude Studios is the team that made Endless Legend, Endless Space and a few other games. It has been quite sucessfull and the games they made are not only very good but even well liked here in Holla Forums.
But because of that sucess, at a certain point they'll be "too rich" and thus you shouldn't buy anything from them ever again because "they don't need your money anymore", despite all the games they made in the past and regardless of the quality of what they do next.

Even more funny is the exact oposite where I'm fairly sure some people play games like arena shooters or STALKER or even Deus Ex because they are sacred cows on Holla Forums.
Nothing wrong with those games, they are all quite good and very fun if you happen to like them, but sometimes I think some people force themselves to play those games for a matter of status quo, to be able to say they actually played them, even if they don't find them fun.
You can see lots of these guys in the respective threads, saying they "just don't get it, how can you find this fun?"

What games you play should be decided strictly for one factor: how fun they are for you. Everything else is detrimental to that goal.
What games you pay for should be decided strictly by their quality and the promise that the company will work more on them or make new, better ones in the future.
A smart man knows he doesn't actually pay for the game he has now, he pays to support the games that company will do in the future, so you'll fork over your cash if you want them to keep working, not because the law says you have to pay or because you share political bias with them.

BURN IN HELL, COMMIE

Bandwidth is infinite so why wouldn't you if there's nothing else good to play at the moment?

oh my mistake, hypocrites then, remember those threads shitting all over fallout 4 and that picture where everyone more or less was playing it in the Holla Forums steam group

Spend money on games that aren't shit.
Don't spend money on shit games
It's that simple, you fucktard. That sure as hell ain't "anti-consumerist".

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1-Bandwith is infinite in 1st world countries, come immigrate here to check it out, mate.
2-You build proper standards by playing both the good and the bad. You appreciate the good games more if you try the bad ones as well.
It's not only important to know how something can be good, it's also important to know how something can be bad.

Plus, lots of bad games can be quite fun anyway, depending on them. It takes quite some effort to make a game truly unfun.

It's fine. The people that can't read all that wouldn't understand it either. :D

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I couldn't imagine buying Call of Duty for full price every year or anything but Black Ops 3 has a balls out insane campaign that I absolutely adore. Its not a completely bad series.

Okay, just here me out, but what if we're trapoed in a cycle where game developers only make trash, because trash appeals to normalfags, and normalfags are too stupid to pirate video games?

BURN IN HELL, COMMIE

First off, this is only an issue with most new games, specifically AAA shit.

Secondly, why would you spend money on those kinds of games in the current industry? Nearly all of them, even "good" ones, are bogged down with shitty anti-consumer practices supported by the retailers (preorder incentives), publishers (DLC, microtransactions, and season pass fuckery), and platform holders (paid online). Buying those games and thus giving money to any of those entities means you're supporting those practices and thus supporting more anti-consumer behavior So when you say
That's true for most titles in the forefront of the industry. There are still older or less corporate products that can be supported, but they've been a minority for years and aren't becoming more prevalent any time soon.


How did that game get cracked in the first place?

Are you upset he didn't put a tl;dr at the bottom?
U-unless you're illiterate. I won't judge.


Now hold on user, don't leap too ahead in this conversation.
Talking slowly and in few words. It's going to take some time to get it through to them.

Its in the nature of dregs to get something for nothing on both sides of the equation, and dregs exist no matter what countermeasures you instill.

There's no absolute way to bridge the gap of trust between provider and consumer. But what's the best way you can think of? How can the player play his part in bridging the gap, assuming certain publishers and developers and only certain ones are willing to do the same?

I live in burgerland. It's just my download speed id 12 KB/s so I have to be picky about the games I pirate.

Even with faster internet speed I can't imagine wasting your time pirating shit like Skyrim or Fallout 4. Best to just not play them.

The main problems I have with buying vidya are that more often than not it's a wall to make sure the hard-working game devs publisher's office goons get paid, and they never offer demos so it's a pirate's life for me, as well as overall poor price points, such as pic related being 20 fucking dollars for a digital copy.
I even like the game, but I'd cap out at $15 base price for it, especially a digital copy.

Nice arguments, shill. What's the matter? Not happy I'm not buying your games to show how much I share your political views?


That is indeed the problem with recent games but fortunately not all of them do that shit, even if they are rare.
Amplitude Studios hasn't done that kind of stuff with any of their games last I checked, Shadow Warrior 2 also didn't did any of that and there are a few more.

The important thing is to not make broad generalizations and instead, if you like the game a company made and it's not filled with anti-consumer practices, you should definitely pay for it if you were gonna play it any way.
Vote with your wallet and show the market you prefer when they don't fuck you in the ass.


It was just a joke, but my connection is capped at 10 KB/s.
I usually just start a download in the morning and leave it brewing all day while I play something else or go off to work. As long as I'm not playing anything online, it doesn't really matter.
You get used to it and at a certain point the size of the game matters far more. I pirated both of those games but Fallout 4 didn't last a week in my hard drive. Played long enough to see the wasted potential, then deleted and off it went.
Doom was something I could pirate too but 60GB? Best DRM ever.

Clearly you think piracy has a big effect on sales, this discussion is not going to go anywhere

Reddit please

First reply and we are already done.

To be fair it doesn't have a negligible effect, but it's not an effect that can be negated with DRM.
If publishers/devs can fix the price point and zero demo problems, I predict piracy would drop through the floor, or at least reach a point where it would be negligible.

You are correct and this is a matter of trust, one of the oldest issues in society.

However do consider that several companies throw the first stone in the form of DRM, shitty DLC practices or whatever other complaint is usually hurdled.
The moment they do that, they lose any argument about piracy.
But the same goes for the public if they do pirate games that don't feature any of those problems, especially games that they do end up liking.

Just like trust, this is a matter of being the better person. A company should not assume their clients are thieves or idiots that will fork over 100$ for a full game or any other bullshit. They should do their job, do it well and then expect a just reward. At this point, it's on the customer to be civil and polite, buying the game if they like it and agree with the price or not buying it otherwise.

Specifically for what the players can do, it's simple: you support the companies that do the least damage, preferably none. If there's two similar games in the market but one was released with pre-order bonus, buy the other one. Show the companies that these practices will not be allowed and will cost them money, not make them more. Foster honest competition between them to make better products, not better marketing campaigns. Play and talk about the games you like and pay for the ones that the company clearly loves as well. That's it.

It's not the player's job to fix the company's shit. Everything is up to the company.

Shit, that spider looks pretty cool, I wouldn't mind petting it

Holy shit this here.

What I always found interesting about "gamers" is how FEW games they tend to actually play.

I finish about 50 a year. There are so many games from so many platforms you have an endless buffet. In terms of new games I usually purchase between 5 and 10. Bought Resident Evil 7 and Forza Horizon 3 this year so far (Gravity Rush 2 is on the list). Absolutely fantastic games both of them, even if Forza relies a little too on the "software as a service" model the game is so fucking good I don't even like western racing games.

Remember, RIGHT NOW you have access too
All these are native hardware.

Obviously many more consoles can go here, all the classic 16 bit ones via emulators and flash carts.

And if you subscribe to any of the consoles online services you have 5 games there every month. Origin shits games in your face sometimes at no cost. You have many games you can at least sample.

You can get into weird fuckin japanese consoles like the PC-98… Ever play Night Slave? That shit is fucking cool. Like even without lesbian bondage its a sweet side scrolling robot game with Gradius style power ups.

Ever been to an arcade? A real one with games that came out within the last few years? They have internet connected cabs know you know, and it looks like Wangan Midnight 5 borrowed from the Drivetar system from the (also excellent) Forza (who knows who came up with it first). Smokey rooms trying one more time to get that 1cc on shmups man arcades are magical dude.

I can overlook a lot of shit myself. I love Darkest of Days. Sure the frame rate hovered around 9 and the hit detection was bad on good days but gunning down roman guards while Pompeii explodes around you is one of my favorite memories of seventh gen.

I had a point I don't know basically play more video games if you like them so much.

It's him, not it.

What if he is actually a she?

I used to an unironic libertarian and the unabridged capitalist kikery of all AAA companies actually pushed me towards the left.

Capitalism was a mistake.

And yet, they'll be the ones that believe themselves qualified to dictate by what standards you should judge other games…

Emulators are a G-Dsend, not just because of their entire library but because you can even frameskip and play many old games much faster than usual. I can't possibly imagine myself playing legit Grandia for instance. I also wouldn't know some of the franchises I play today without trying the previous ones like the entire Harvest Moon and Rune Factory series.

I personnaly love seeing different RTS games that try something different than cloning AoE just to see new types of gameplay. KOHAN was the last one I tried, didn't liked and don't consider it a good game, but it was neat to see a different twist on how RTS could work, for instance.

I tried googling it but all I can find is "Giant Spider" for species. Considering it's size and that we're talking about spiders here, it's most likely a female.

Is that the game that refuses to work if you don't have an nvidia card?

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Why should I pay for video games? If it was the early 2000's and I knew that good communities would form around good games, and that I'd be able to play then for 5-10 more years, I'd pay for games. But the moment we went away from that is the moment I stopped paying for games.
Doom is 23 years old and is still actively played. You can't say the same for things released nowadays.

Ayy lmao

My question is probably inadvertently circular, so I'm going to move on to my next question:

Should we Just Like Make Games? Obviously there is no guarantee that it will improve the industry. But at the very least that's providing more options to the industry outside of absolute withdrawal, right?

Economic leftism, not cultural marxist faggotry.

Yes, exactly. Not surprised about your autistic reply since you admit to having been the autistic version of a liberal (lolberturdianism).

Back to reddit faggot.

Okay, just means the train stopped for the rest of you, and Sony has played the long con once again.
2017 is the 2009 of the PS4.
You all knew it was coming.
That's the thing.

Back to cuckchan

Found it, it's called Cerbalus aravensis and it's found in Israel, apparently the are related to the huntsman spider and they can grow up to 14cm

Yet there's more than a few people in every Nioh or Bloodborne thread whining that those games aren't on PC.

Because of anonymity it doesn't matter what I'm about to say. But I buy games, I have bought DLC within the past 6 months (it was for Dark Souls III), I buy early access games, I buy products on the internet that people on Holla Forums say shit about. I just don't talk about it in my posts because of the very negative attitudes surrounding the act of spending money on things.

I don't buy figmas, I don't buy collectibles. I buy computer parts, I buy some software. Some. Rosetta Stone, Visual Studio, Photoshop, Wangblows? I don't pay for those because I don't agree with the pricing schemes. If your software is $1200? I'm just not going to pay it, I'm not a business or an enterprise. If I ever ship a product, I might buy a license after the fact from the money I generate from said product.

1) I don't feel that games are as bad as people make them out to be, the software industry is a billion dollar industry for a reason. Games are getting better, cynicism and disliking the new direction for games is on you. Further, there's so many games coming out that if you only pay attention to the AAA, it's just like modern music, you're only scratching the proverbial surface of the software industry. People work on software all the time and make new stuff, it's up to you to find it, not for it to come looking for you.

2) Spending money on video games has a few benefits, one being that I can play online, I can play the latest updates right away, and I don't have to jump through hoops trying to find old versions to play on.

3) I'm no more a capitalist than I am a corporate whore, I'm just a person who understands that you pay money for services rendered. If the service I receive is a piece of software, then so be it.

Games have always been a product, but they're also a hobby to which I enjoy. What has changed is that I'm no longer inclined to buy physical mediums for the products to which I use, except in the random occasion of a special edition or special item I might want from said collector's edition. Space is a commodity and I am not a rich enough person to just buy another house to accommodate my collection should it outgrow my current living conditions.

And lastly, check my dubs.

That'd be an option but it takes skill and effort. Not many people are willing or capable of Just Like Make Games. It's frustrating that good ideas are plenty and abundant everywhere but innovation is seen as a gamble that those who have the resources to make it, don't want to try it.
You often find better innovation at the hands of modders than actual Devs.


Don't bother, that's a long "debate" where nobody is gonna win. Due to the current political climate, the Left is pretty much all of it, both authoritarian left, centrist left and libertarian left.
For americans specially, they tend to mix up Authoritarian with Right and Libertarian with Left to the point that instead of a political compass, they only have a diagonal line instead.

You have yet to make a point you stuttering nigger. Going through your posts it's nothing but cuckchan tier trash.

Because pointing out hypocrisy isn't making a point at all of course. You're autistic.

Man I wouldn't attempt to run that shit on PC.

You know when you open the installer it says its about to install Raven Squad on your computer lmao.

cute spider tbh

I agree here.


They fucking are you retards you just can't think long term.

Fuck off, the only solution is a Democratic Pirate's Republic of the Seven Seas. Cuckunism is internationalist, we don't want that. We want to coexist with Cuckitalism so we can steal from them and laugh at their sorry asses.

lolbergturdians have always been hard left though, they're just not presented as being on the left because they're autistic individualists instead of being collectivists like all of the mainstream left.

lolbergturdian = individualist radical left

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What hypocrisy? You made a baseless strawman assumption that anyone in favor of economic leftism automatically has to support social progressivism like transgender politics and anti-white bullshit. Hitler was economically leftist, and so was Mussolini. Both strictly rejected consumerism and profit oriented economics and I could assure you neither would ever support the blue haired SJW brigade.

that's not a spider

You're autistic.

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Yet more low IQ posting stemming from the fact you have no idea what leftism is.

I didn't even know she was an Undertale character until someone told me the other day.

don't post shit art of the best waifu

It would help if you guys didn't spammed the unfunny variations of those words, they aren't original, they just make it harder to know what the fuck you are talking about.
Not all libertarians are hard left though, that's a completely different axis. Right libertarians do exist, they are called capitalists.

You're autistic.

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This.
/thread

It's a character?
Just looks like degenerate jap doodles I've seen hundreds of times.
Shows the influence going into these rat bastard shithouse games.
Undertale is just a ripoff of LISA.

>>>/cuckchan/

I don't know about that, but I will say that the Undertale guy is leagues better than the LISA guy as far as people go.

user, why are you too retarded to tell the difference between a spidergrill and a literal spider?

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Bulbous outermost parts of his pedipalps give it away. Google "male spider pedipalps" for pics.

You're atistic.

And you're some sort of authority on the subject because?

Austin used to be cool. He did an AMA here years ago. It's a shame he got brainwashed, but it is what it is.

More games need spiders, they are by far the best characters.


What, you didn't knew if you liked them or not before you saw the first few hundreds?

That was quite the shit comparison, user. I'm impressed.

I wonder what kind of people actually buy games frequently. I mean, the kind that are consistently buying 2-3+ games a month regardless of quality, at launch, for full price. I know that doesn't describe me, but I'm having a hard time visualizing just who it does describe.

So?

shit tier inquisitive anime girl

You're atistic.

a girl in a costume isn't a whatever they're trying to be

user, I'm pretty sure having more than one set of eyes constitutes it being more than a costume.

we spiders are indeed the master race

THICC

Your right. Here, have a non shit girl.

ANY SURFACE YOU FUCKING BASTARD.
EVEN CARPET.

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riiiight

You like Undertale. Just shut up.

Pic related.

But honestly, not many. It takes a special kind of autism and also living conditions that you have enough money for that and the retardation to go through with those habits.
I've met one a guy, full Razer and Alienware fanboy, that kept buying shit to justify his PC and because it was hip or something.

In reality, most of the "competitive gamers" don't buy many games, it distracts them from their super serious "job" and why play anything else instead of practicing, right?
Then there's those that stick to indie games, they buy 5-8 every month because those never last more than a few days anyway and are quite cheap. Usually it's people that can't get invested in a big and long game, they rather want short and easy experiences.
Then you have the CoD and Madden\Fifa players who will buy the latest one every year but nothing really in between. But if CoD, Fifa and GTA all release in the same month, that's gonna be a financial drain.
These last ones do it mostly out of a social need though, so they can play it with their friends since they know everyone else is buying it too or that they can impress them if they are the only ones that got it.


Dude, at this point you're no better than him. Stop feeding the troll, didn't they teached you this when you were younger? I oughta spank your mom.

user, you know that normal girls can't literally see out of googly eyes, right?

But user, you are a millennial. I know it's popular to hate millennials, but unless you're 50 years or older, you are a millennial. Either that or too young to be here.

almost as if it's a costume of sorts, yes

Everything i have read on the subject states 1979-1983 as the end of Gen X and the beginning of the Millennial generation

Fat hairy spiders aren't scary.
Try harder.

Luckily, how much someone else on the internet likes or doesn't like a particular videogame does not make your comparison any more or less accurate. Fancy that.


Well, of course I am, 27 years and all. But it's hip to hate millenials, don't you know? Self deprecating humor to disguise our underachieving nature in a blanket of mockery or the good old "that only applies to other people" when confronted with the lack of participation trophies past the age of 16, that's what is considered fashionable today.
Self-esteem is so last year anyway, user.

Correct. But, unlike googly eyes, actual eyes have sockets needed for them to connect to a brain.

Anticonsumerism as in not supporting garbage is one of the most free enterprise friendly attitudes out there and exactly what De Bernaise removed with his social technology called Marketing.


We don't hate the idea of people selling Video Games. I don't. What really grinds my gear is the idea of huge companies whose owners and decision makers are not personally accountable for anything selling shit skinner boxes to addictive drones while you have to specifically look for someone actually selling fucking Video Games. Of course the commies have to crawl in and fruit up the thread. As if their tyranny by party system doesn't make vidya even worse. See that? That is a motherfucking Robotron Polyplay. Its development was initiated by the fucking STASI and began in 1985. Its components was literally scrooged together from the production of other machines. And what was the result of that? A Atari tier arcade machine with 10 clones in one. Be happy with what you've got, comrade.

oh you want scary huh?


and if they were actual eyes I'm sure it'd look nothing like hair pins

Eh, they barely qualify you ask me.

HOLY FUCKING SHIT user, GET THAT SPIDER OUT OF HERE BEFORE I pet her to death

Everyone loves jumping spiders, even arachnophobes.

Hmm, why does it seem like YOU'RE not from around here?

yeah well get rekted nerd

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Don't forget that the greatest game-related achievement of the entire lifetime of significant communist states was tetris, a game that literally any living thing could come up with the idea for.

Spiders a shit. Crow master race.

Ravens are bigger more badass hawklike crows so why not Raven master race?

reee


GET OUT OF HERE SKY NIGGERS

Seagulls are the sky niggers

Because crows are far better than shitbird raven bastards.

Wanna see a really scary spider?

When they became a service.
When they became:
Overstepping their bounds when they go

So many horrible things
They backpeddled but they still really want to do it.

The fact a piecemeal approach to game development has become so normalized is a sign that the industry is truly and utterly corrupt and supported by apathetic casual sheep.
The other day I had to describe what a season pass was to my friend who only plays LoL and Overwatch.
Because money.

As someone who lives on the coast, this is very accurate.

yeah that's scarier than a huntsman

[muffled spider screeching]

>tfw no qt will beg you to become your apprentice and to teach them magic

It aint right I tell you.

I lik consumering froot

Piracy pisses off conservatives, a group I don't want as friends.

shut the fuck up, Jin Saotome.

Buying shit pisses off shitlibs, a group I don't want as friends.

post more cute spiders

Holla Forums Harbor cucks please go.


You too. Enjoy your Famiclones and Tetris before you get gulag'd for your electronic decadence, idiot.

well see if I want shit I can get it off a dog walk path for free, I don't need to buy a Metallica CD to own a piece of fecal matter.

Well, it's not like you got any other options.

You mean the group are the most entrenched in consumerism and materialism?

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Had to delete previous post because im retarded and spoiled them

In b4 offtopic threads about Heychianism.

At least 65% of Holla Forumsirgins are penniless NEET's. It's really that simple, everything else is just rationalizations sometimes warranted a lot of the time not.

pretty good tbh

>>>/vmeta/

reported

At least 80% of the West's population consists of penniless NEETs.

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I'll check those.

Spending money on bad vidya is bad.
It just so happens that most new games are either shit or decent but with a catch(denuvo, retarded microtransactions, etc), so you shouldn't support that kind of stuff. Whereas most good games are old and, even if you bought them, the devs wouldn't receive the money.

BURN IN HELL, COMMIE

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They stopped caring about the games they were making,
making it corporate and hollow.
So we stopped caring about them.

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BURN IN HELL, COMMIE

One of the only good things post-exodus 4/pol/ did was kill you.

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"We" nothing, faggot OP. I am anti consumer and I will continue to play videogames as well as watch movies and listen to music for free. If you have a problem with it then tough shit, go suck the cock of the MPAA and RIAA.

BURN IN HELL,COMMIE
and take your son with you.

You're worse than the hyper capitalism you whine about.

>>>Holla Forums

this tbh fam
I feel like I'm done with society already. I don't care if the industry collapses or if it spirals into a state far worse than anything we could ever imagine.

If I could just leave and go be a hermit somewhere, I would.

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Gee, I wonder why….also

There's way too many damn video games existing in history so we don't need any more. Don't be so materialistic.

You are retarded user
Holla Forums shits on casuals who waste money on casual games made by publisher infamous for their anty consummer practicies

That's an afterlife good enough to pray for.. Goddamn.

Are we posting skeletons or spiders?

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Easy. the AAA industry has to die. It's so bloated it can't stop puring shit after shit with no regards for quality assurance or respect for the consumer.

I just don't even bother pirating EA or Ubisoft games. they are the biggest cancer in the industry. Just put your money on companies that didn't betray you… or indie games made by people who aren't total garbich

Let's post both while talking about building cozy cabins where we will live out our days peacefully shitposting about the rest of the world.

why not both?

skeletons are cool tbh

No companies see profit in exploiting more and more profitable practices. But those practices reached the insult to the consumer. I don't know if the companies are the ones that should whore themselves to the consumer. Im sure as fuck it shouldn't be the other way around

I want to live way out in the country, or maybe in a forested area where I can grow my own food. Are spiders with nice butts allowed?

You really want to argue with a bunch of autists if pirating is really stealing, if denuvo warrants pirating, if undertale is a good game, if generals are okay, etc etc etc. Sounds more like hell being with you fuckers for eternity.

Buying videogames requires money.

Having money requires working.

Working requires leaving the basement most Holla Forumsirgins lurk.

Holla Forumsirgins don't want to leave the safe womb that is their basement.

Therefore, anything that requires leaving said womb is bad.

Since leaving the womb is bad, and working requires leaving, and getting money requires working, and videogames require money, buying videogames is bad.

Piracy on the otherhand, only requires a basic internet connection and intermediate knowledge of computing, both things Holla Forumsirgins generally have. So, piracy is just fine.

It's not that Holla Forums is anti-consumer, they pretend to be sometimes, but it's really just a front, and is really a symptom of their intense agoraphobia, lack of social skills, and, in a psychological sense, desire to reinsert themselves into caverns of their birther.

As soon as companies transitioned from physical to digital games. Now, there is no longer a cost to produce each individual game; there is only the cost to produce ONE, and then they hit "copy/paste" for the rest.

But instead of taking the money they save and either: 1) Making games cheaper per sale, or 2) Making better games; every company is still charging $60 motherfucking dollars and is making shittier and shittier games. They're taking all that extra money and, rather than improve things for the consumer in any way, are folding it all into pure profit.

They've become moneygrubbing capitalist pigs, and I want no part in continuing to line the pocketbooks of a few billionaire CEOs.

Sounds like you spend too much time in shitty threads.

Did someone said post spookers?

I could kick it's ass

Illegal Mexetons get out!

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I must enjoy it on some level, otherwise i still wouldnt be here. Better than anywhere else that's for sure.

if you can get something for free, then paying for it is charity.
intellectual property is not excludable, and that (among other things) means it cant be owned, so someone trying to sell it to you is committing fraud.

/thread tbh you put it far more eloquently than I did.

This place is certainly hellish on some days. Some great boards go dead for hours at a time. The good threads get no posts. Shitposters and Holla Forums faggots show up just to start trouble.

But other days, this place is just plain fun.

This place is only as fun as we make it.

Amen, dubsman.

BURN IN HELL, COMMIE

leftypol you're our bitch, not the other way around faggots.

At least 99% of those unsourced statistics is pulled out from user't ass.

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I guess this is the thread to ask

Is there some kind of list of all the shitty things various game companies do? I'd build one myself but fuck if I remember it all.

Kawaiiest mother fucker right here

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