STEFAN MOLYNEUX GETS ABSOLUTELY BTFO BY CALLER ON TRUMP

This dude starts to sound so depressed late into the call lmao.

Just use an audio recording of him saying "not an argument" and he could go Ghost.

The devious bald fucker keeps trying to shift the burden of proof.
Has to be annoying af

Still listening. He's such a dishonest cunt. He's changed the discussion to the caller's attitude toward the show. Molyneux claims that the caller is acting as if he "owns the show". In other words, because it's Molyneux's show, the caller doesn't get to protest when he changes the topic from what they had been discussing.

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We should make sure to tell him he's using weasel words too.

It's kind of astounding to hear him call out ad hominem arguments, pivoting, weasel words and so on when he uses all those same techniques. I think he must be a self-aware sociopath. He does it with apparently no calculation.

He has the amazing ability of saying it all with a shit eating grin on his face too.

We need to start meming 'truthful hyperbole'.

It's great, because you can use that to justify any form of shitposting.

I remember someone brought up Max Stirner on his show and it gave him a huge brain fart.

I wish I could find the video.

It's actually amazing. You could do all kinds of things Molyneux would despise using the "truthful hyperbole" defense. You can justify Soviet falsification of productivity statistics using the same logic, because productivity was increasing even if it wasn't at the predicted rate. And, hey, it sure got workers excited about the Five Year Plan!

I wonder if Molyneux actually realises just how big of a hole he's dug for himself when he brought up the 'truthful hyperbole' bullshit, because he spends the majority of the conversation after trying to completely derail it, playing semantic games, and generally acting like a bit of a prick.

I prefer undoing shitposting itself through constitutive performative acts.

If you get BTFO by an IRL spookpost you really are the world's shittiest meme philosopher.

** after Stirner.

top fucking kek

I wasn't before, but that thing he does around 17, 18 minutes, I'm convinced he is a psychopath.

How does one go from being an ancap to a fascist? Oh wait, there's no real difference.

You mean that line? Yeah, pretty weasaly.

they might be largely identical in terms of practical outcome, but the aims and ideologies of the two are distinct

fascism is in some way at least a recognition of the class struggle, and tries to resolve it through class collaboration

Yes. that. He claims to have evidence, and the fact he has it is proof of the caller's shortcomings. Then he tries to use the evidence he claims he has to humiliate and discredit the caller, whoile the Caller can't make a response because he doesn't know if Stefan's evidence is valid, because he wont show it. as it turns out, the article provides no insight into why Donald trump thinks what he does, and the Caller would be correct to say he doesn't know why.

He takes callers? Why don't we all get together one day to prank him?

Around 4.40 when he says 'I have no idea what you are saying' when the guy says, something like 'the fact that we know there are some illegal votes does not mean there are 3 million votes'

It could not be a simpler concept. He knows he is wrong. I've never actually watched he show before how the FUCK do so many people think he has valuable shit to say???

Holy shit this guy is enragingly retarded. How are people saying he won the argument in the comments?????

Who would have thought a narcissist is a goldmine of reaction faces? I got these from the same 30 second stretch of the video.

Please somebody with the skills just meme 'It's offensive'

Molymeme should be shot.

I've watched a lot of his show, mostly to get a grasp of how lolberts think. He does this thing where he takes everything apart bit by bit to nitpick and analyze really inane and irrelevant shit so that by the time he gets to the point, all the other shit he's thrown out have made the viewer forget what he was originally saying. He runs out the meter on short term memory, and his insistence on analyzing all these little things make him look smart. It's sort of like a magic trick or hypnosis what he does.

"ok that's fine but that doesn't prove millions of illegals voted"
"he calls truthful hyperbole"
So basically admitting Trump is a liar

I've noticed a similar thing browsing forums where a post is dissected into so many different parts to the point where the general point is missed and the conversation turns to skirmishes on various inane points. Is this the tactic used when they have no argument?

We need to divide the actual number of illegal voters by the 3 million(I believe) Trump claimed and find out by what percentage he was lying and just say he was X% right.

Its actually heard many Trump supporters use the "truthful hyperbole" defense. Its like they don't realize how laughbaly retarded it is. "Trump is a serial liar" "N-no he's not a liar because he admits he lies all the time and calls it truthful hyperbole" (A made-up term btw)

HAHAHA! He literally gets BTFO by his own go-to insult.

At this point they've swallowed trump's cock so much I don't think there's anything they wouldn't handwave away.

The comments are literally just trying to mock the caller. No arguments here lads, just lots and lots of salt.

yes. It's good practice to make very short, well thought out arguments, because if you make longer ones people will pick the weakest point of it and nitpick that forever. If you've ever debated a holocaust denier, you know this.
Here's a politician who knows what he's doing
youtube.com/watch?v=mCV5XWiW6gc
He has a short message, and he only gives them that, constantly repeating himself if he has to, so that's all they can show, and that's all the can use as soundbytes.

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If you're referencing the Hillary part, I'm listening to it right now

What is wrong with Stefan? Is he intentionally being like this, or does he not realise?

That's a nice variation on the gish gallop

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This guy is a fucking tool for believing that Trump is anti-establishment. Now he's got egg on his face. He's a total hack now.

This doesn't translate into the trump supporters. Trump totally abandoned the republican political careerists and replaced them with business people. I know the lines are blurred for you but for trumps base they are not.

Some hope

Nah, you got to think dialectically. There are always people leaving the show. In fact there's a support group for people who used to be in his cult.

fdrliberated.com/

There's an actual support group now?
How did this guy ever manage to get enough of an audience for that, christ.

They've existed for years.

Is it wrong that I imagined bursting into a meeting and telling them everything isn't an argument?

DO YOU SUPPORT GETTING ME SHOT

nice quads aswell

No, just newfag. They're a lot older than that meme.

No but I support you being spanked. :^)

Kill me

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I have a libertarian friend who does that, but he insists its because these things really matter and its not pedantry. Hes a mathematician and he seems to believe its because of this that hes developed this attitude, i still maintain that being unable to talk like a human being outside of his work is stupid.

A thorough understanding of a subject is fine but it's totally unnecessary to comprehensively discuss it every time the subject comes up. I think it's the latter part that some people miss so they don't question Molly's tendency to do exactly that.

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I don't think anyone got BTFO, it was over an hour of extreme nitpicking and going in circles over details. The caller remained calm though, while Steven cussed at him several times and also shortly slipped into rage mocking him in a childish voice.

What a waste of time.

How about you webm it, I'm not giving this clickbaiting imbecile views.

It's over an hour long. This is Stefan "You Must Defoo From Your Milieu" Molyneux we're talking about.

Do content creators get ad revenue if you use adblock?

Indirectly. If a video gets more views the youtube algorithm will make that video show up more on other people's recommened videos and whatnot. There's a marginal effective increase in revenue.

What the fuck is Molymeme talking about here? Absolutely shit tier argument.

I am only just learning about all this defoo stuff today and it is absolutely horrifying.
Not the idea of cutting ties with your family, i have nothing against that but the shit stefan has done and the things he has promoted surrounding the subject. Jesus christ what the fuck.

It's bog standard cult shit. Alienate yourself from "bad influences" i.e. your normal life. Only listen to our little echo chamber. Only we understand the specific trauma that our cult itself has put us through so nobody on the outside will understand. Etc.

Yes but most people who actively run a cult don't become influential pub- you know what im stopping myself right here it is perfectly normal and the world is a dark and horrible place. Thank you user i am now one step further away from killing myself because the world is so awful i now know there is no possible way what comes after is better, the world wouldnt let there be something better.

Damn , its cool that molyneux have become so big that he gets hate from edgy leftist on this site

Im sure he gets plenty of hate from the curvy ones too.

The world is a dark and horrible place because it's been made that way. Cults and religions only work as well as they do because people instinctively know that the world shouldn't be so horrible and deep down we all want answers. The thing is human society made the world shitty so we can make it less shitty too if we get our act together.

and kill the jew.

I don't really feel like any of that goes against what i said. If anything i thought it was kind of implied. If i think killing myself will make things worse and dont want to do that, surely i want to make things better!

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But you said

I'm ecstatic the trump shilling is finally blowing up in his face

Is this all from that moment when he told him "it's not an argument"?

Here's the video summed up.

God what an annoying little balding prick

Holy fucking shit Molyneux is fucking batshit crazy

fdrliberated.com/foundation-freedomain-radio/

Isn't it ironic that FreeDomainRadio's initials are FDR

You have no idea.

Jesus. The more I read this site. the more I think that Molyneux is someone who's just emulating a psychologically controlling, abusive mother who regularly made him feel guilt for how she acted by obfusicating everything behind a wall of bullshit that he picked up on.

fdrliberated.com/stefan-molyneux-philosophy-unforgiveness/

The fact his wife is a therapist and apparently has a major hand in all this in the background makes me start to seriously wonder if his wife is another control freak who's twisting him around her finger.

Molyneux isn't funny to me any more. He's pretty obviously seriously psychologically damaged. I'm not talking about his politics at this point, he seriously seems psychologically scarred

What a revelation

Before the dawn of internet, psychopath cult leaders had to spread their gospel via other means and usually stayed local.
Now all they have to do is make a YouTube channel and suddenly they're international with millions of followers.
This is the reason why primitivism is even considered by some peeps as a valid ideology.

Pretty much.

You can't look at him and see how broken he is?

I can't believe this mongoloid is raising a child, I can't even imagine how fucking broken she'll be when she's an adult.

why does it take him so long to comprehend the point the caller is trying to make? Is he actually that dumb or is he trying to be sneaky and misrepresent the valid point?

I think it's both in this case. He's trying to do the latter and dumb enough to think he's succeeding.

I'm talking about how very deeply disturbed he is beyond what's blatantly obvious

His this been posted yet? Solid read:
mises.org/library/molyneux-problem

When you get BTFO by a Mises shill you have some cogitating to do

No, I'm a recluse.

Yeah… I've known about that stuff for years. I have a hard time feeling much sympathy for him given what he does to other people. He's more like a pathetic monster that's beyond redemption. How plausible is it really for him to come around after how deep he's dug himself? Even if he realized he was wrong he still financially depends on being insane.

He wouldn't upload it to his youtube if he got BTFO tbh

Stefan pls go

please tell me this is a fucking joke…

calling his show a cult isn't even a meme anymore

He deletes videos constantly, why would you think otherwise you moron?

👌😂

Deleting =/= failing to upload.

It's almost like you're out of arguments Stef.

Deleting and not wanting to upload a video are literally the same thing, it's damage control.

kys autist

Are you saying his estimation of success isn't likely to be distorted in his own favor prior to feedback?

Molyneux gets BTFO all the time and keeps it around, more so that he can train his followers more and more to ignore anything anyone else says and explain to them later why his opponents are "wrong" through smokescreens of bullshit..

Now I understand why most of his "philosophizing" is basically just whining about other people's supposed "mistakes."

You can see his eyes widen when the caller says, "It's not an argument".

huh. i knew this guy was a fool but this is just batshit. if i had to guess i would say he was diddled by his father and his mother stood by.

I couldn't sit through more than 1 minute of that. How the hell do people stand listening to such a prick?

"Physicists kind of piss me off, 'cause they've always got their fucking pale hands in my goddamn wallet, and stealing from my child's future, indebting her." "You know, go be a fucking engineer, you lazy, pasty bastards. Go do something useful that people wanna buy."

how is this guy taken seriously?

I just wasted 35 minutes watching this. Why…
What the fuck is wrong with this man (and me for that matter)

I completely agree with everything he said. Why are we insane?

He says that Trump knowingly lied about 3 million illegal votes, yet uses an "it's common knowledge" argument. What a self-serving hypocrite. It's petulant overgrown mouthbreathers like this caller who deserve to be platformed, not someone who actually knows how to argue in a debate.

This is right after Stefan cited an article which estimates that ~13% of voters were illegal immigrants. Caller is basically trying to prove a negative.

Stefan basically toyed around this guy for the whole hour. He must be some kind of homo.

It was.
Anyone who keeps track of politics was aware of it. He was real salty about losing the popular vote.

The caller presents up a strawman to distract from the low quality of his own arguments. The caller made one illogical argument after another, yet you want to talk about how much the Republicans deserve their suffering. What did Democrats ever do for you, besides summon the superdelegates?

No one cares about democrats retard, or liberalism for that matter, this is a socialist board.

Do you know where you are?

I always knew there was something wrong with him just from his facial expressions. The only time he looks natural is when he's angry, the rest of the time he looks like a robot trying to approximate what he thinks is a normal range of human expressions.

There's nothing behind the eyes.

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What strawman? Stefan spent a large portion of the conversation actually deflecting from anything relevant. He called the dude a "dictator" for several minutes and claimed he wanted to steal his show. The greatest value of this clip is watching a lolbert claim a caller is trying to STEAL HIS SHOW!

Yet you care so much about watching political partisans get dramatic.

Delicious

The caller tried to set up a third rail by mentioning the Republicans. If Stefan disagreed he would be called out as either an establishment stooge, or out of touch with "public sentiment." The responses in this thread are proof that communists are not any more "scientific" than anyone else.

The caller said he thought he was going to talk with [to] Stefan about topics of his choosing. When Stefan corrected him he began to disengage and spouted a bunch of filler to kill time. He was pretty much trying to dictate the pace of the conversation to make Stefan look weak.

You referring to Stefan? The caller was saying Stefan rightfully called Hillary out on lying, and then he was going to mention Trump's lies but Stefan conveniently cut him off and started asking why he didn't care about Hillary's lies. He never claimed he didn't care about Hillary's lies and also repeatedly stated that he thought Hillary was a liar, that Hillary's lies were more damaging than Trumps, but that he originally made the call about how Stefan had a Trump bias on his show, and he was trying to lay a case for why it appeared that way to him before Stefan erroneously changed the subject. Stefan then started to tell him to not tread on his property.

Stefan was the one that muddled the entire conversation by derailing it into being about Hillary Clinton's lies and how the caller supposedly didn't care about them, though he readily admitted to them and never indicated that he was some kind of Clinton fan. By the time the entire derailment was allowed to be put to rest by Stefan, he gave the caller "one more point", though he was never allowed to even make his second point before Stefan threw a tantrum.

Why wouldn't you want to watch the ones who are responsible for destroying your country?

When Stefan pivoted, the caller defensively reacted that he was moving the goalposts. At that point I'm pretty sure that Stefan didn't care about the caller's opinions anymore. Guess, what: when you're debating for an audience, you don't complain about the opponent's unwillingness to engage – unless you make it interesting. It may be true, but the audience doesn't want to hear it.
If Stefan kept pivoting, at what point did the caller get a chance to actually BTFO him?

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What kind of sophistic silliness is this?

It never was a joke. Only people who weren't/aren't familiar enough to know it's an actual cult thought it was a joke. It's literally a cult. He advocates that people cut all ties and only ever talk to members of his community because everyone else is a psychopath who WANTS ME SHOT and only his believers can ever love you.

He's fucking fascinating from an anthropological perspective.

His premise is not that far off. The problem is his proposed solution is literally to form a cult.

His premise is fucked up because he makes the assumption that the only thing parents can do is inflict abuse. His assertion that nobody ever has power to change this relationship is also blatantly wrong.

He also is wrong about forgiveness.
which is just outright, blatantly untrue. You're explicitly not forgiving someone when you expect restitution. So it's entirely possible to forgive your parents for doing horrible things to you.

Unsubstantiated psychologizing bullshit.

Molyneux's entire theory breaks down into "people who do bad things are willfully malicious because you just know they are and there's nothing that can be done about that so don't bother trying."

If you want to know what he does get right
Neither of these things are new or unique to Molyneux. All the rest of it stems from his complex psychological struggling with his own abused childhood.

truthful hyperbole is like saying surprise sex instead of rape.

how do people take this moron seriously?? he acts like he is some modern day Aristotle.

do people in real life really interact like Stefan?

I've never come across a person like this at all

why doesn't Stefan just say 'yeah that was a dumb thing for Trump to say'

isn't that what a normal social critic would do?

That is what a normal, rational person would do. Unfortunately, Molyneux has managed to deceive his followers (and himself) that literally everything he says is based on pure objective logic from first principles. If he goes back and admits he was wrong earlier it invalidates everything he's ever said or done.

implying anyone here supports the democrats. Maybe it was the case last year, since they put Bernie to the flames, there are literally no democrats here.

Hillary Clinton will do that to a person

ayy lmao
Other than that he rekt molly.