When did Holla Forums start rooting for the villains?

When did Holla Forums start rooting for the villains?

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1930

He got elected in 1933 you dumb nigger.

Because bad guys have become the good guys, while the good guys are the bad guys.

This too, video games are made by leftist faggots so their definition of a bad guy is a good guy who's evil just because he's despotic and other "mean" things.

But if this keeps up people will start saying Marche was right in FFTA!!

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Then why 1930 instead of the 20s.

when they became more justified and interesting than the heroes

I can agree that the white race needs to be preserved, but I can't agree with wiping absolutely everything else out just because it seems unsalvageable aside from the truly mentally ill like transhits or gore fetishists. Except mudslimes.


A tyrant isn't hard at all to call a villain. There's nothing stopping them from just getting worse and worse. Representative Democracy is definitely shit in my opinion learning it's entirely about blindly trusting someone else before anyone accuses me of being some kind of apologist shill.

When the heroes became tools of the government. With Trump in it will be cool to be the good guy again.

Since devs, in an attempt to make them dislikable by the lowest common denominator (eg. retarded leftards, sjws etc.), accidentally made them the most reasonable and logical characters in the shitfest of propaganda and stereotypes their games are.

Yuuup, the shift in morals is amazing. What's a really crazy example of this is the Marvel Universe.

It's actually pretty interesting to see how the villains make the most sense, have the strongest morals, or like hydra cap, straight up act like heroes when they are painted as villains.

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You see, I picked 1930 mainly because said year elections brought every dumb, shortsighted, opportunistic, fair weather, bandwagoning nigger like yourself to the cause. Incidentally that same reason makes it relevant to the OP.

He was the only one who could have stopped them.

Never forget.

the moment villainy became more heroic than heroism

Marche was right, everybody in that game was just avoiding dealing with their real problems. It wasn't healthy.


Retards trying to create the "most evil baddie" end up creating somebody who actually speaks common sense.

Holla Forums once explained it.
Heroes defend the status quo. Villains try to change it, for various reasons.
When we have a good status quo no one wants to risk someone changing it, even if it's anti-villain who wants to try and change it for the better (from their point of view). On the other hand when the status quo is shit we want it to change and we rally behind those who are trying to make change happen.

You picked pretty bad examples since Big Boss was basically soft-retconned to not be a villain at all and I don't think anyone actually rooted for Ardyn, he was just the only character in the game without 8 steel sticks up his ass.

this right here. pagan min is probably the most blatant example: in an effort to make him a villain they made him more reasonable and intelligent than the "good guys" since their "good guys" were literal taliban-style terrorists

It's been a crazy year

I still fail to see how they can think that what redskull is saying is somehw bad, im not a Holla Forumsack, but protectiong of the sovereing state its the duty of the people in charge, not an extremist idea.

Armstrong is genuinely pretty good villain for showing how retarded the masses can be to think that he was some kind of revolutionaire.

The "heroes" in many forms of media have all been essentially the same character. Cut-and-paste character with barely any personality fighting for some sort of justice while also having internal conflict about having to harm people to achieve this justice (note that they only have this internal conflict when the person/people they are harming are somehow disadvantaged or have similar values; rarely do they sympathize for the large groups of people that they are actually harming). Additionally, sloppy writing means that the motivations of the hero in many stories are half-baked and make a lot of moral assumptions to fit a narrative. The villains, on the otherhand, have become interesting characters with a strong will, clear reasons for their motivations, and honorable goals. Thus, people are beginning to become attracted to the more interesting characters within media than the cut-and-paste protagonists who always seem to be fighting for the same goals in every story.

Because if you aren't bending over to get fucked in the ass by refugees you're a racist and on the wrong side of history. Without getting overtly political I think a large reason Trump won is because of his ideas on helping the citizens of the US before letting in a bunch of refugees and shit.

That is the thing, they think the sovereignty of the state is bad. No nations, no borders, or globalism as most know it.


Problem is that video games are more suited to heroes who destroy the status quo and are active compared to other mediums.

That's the clever part about him, he's a revolutionary pretending to be a beltway politician that's pretending to be a (different kind of) revolutionary. Further more what he cares about the most was not his prospective administration but his ideals, his memes.

Even if my country is a commie third world shithole, im atleast happy that men are still men and people think these kinds of things are retarded and homosexual.

Which makes status quo maintaining heroes in games doubly boring.

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That only works if the heroes are protecting the establishment. What if the villains are the establishment, like the Empire?

if you ask me, the establishment is only evil if they obviously are detracting from the people they rule. the empire enslaved wookiees and shit, sure, but they also built the holonet, stamped out war and rebellion on most of their planets and generally provided peace and security to literally trillions of people. the rebel alliance killed a shitload of people on the death stars and blew up the space-president and called it a government

The issue is a very simple one. While it's easy enough to consider the people who write stories in the modern day to be bad writers, this is only a half-accurate statement. Yes, they are poor writers. But they're poor writers not because they are unable to write a likeable character, but instead because they are unable to make the protagonist into the likeable character.

The reason for this is that modern writers will more often than not create a protagonist based around their own ideals. These ideals are as one would expect those of western secular-progressive thought, showing a disdain for religious, traditionalist, or otherwise traditionally heroic ideals. Yet these characters are still forced into the hero role that in no way fits them, causing them all to come across as bland at best or unlikable at worst.

In contrast, villains have the option to be written with practically anything as the basis behind them. They can be misguided heroes, people fighting for traditions and their country, people who are loved by some and hated by others. Precisely because the protagonist is essentially an empty and blank character, the antagonist has unlimited potential to become interesting.

Now obviously the ideal pics related is to be able to create a protagonist and an antagonist that are both interesting characters - either both likeable, or a likeable protagonist and unlikeable antagonist - in their own right, but with the desire still existing to see the protagonist succeed. Or, in the case of a more tragic story, to make it so that antagonist winning at least gives an appropriate, if not necessarily happy, conclusion to the story, that nevertheless makes you feel bad.

dont forget the empire was getting ready to fight the space muslims.

It's called moral inversion, and it's the main sign of Judaic infestation.

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The empire also kept the galaxy united, one the empire officially collapsed old rivalry immediately flared back up, so no the galaxy is back at old republic tier stability.

open rebellion was immediately squashed. the rebellion either had to hide on places such as alderaan or had to hide out on the rebel fleet, which was basically their only truly safe home base. any time the empire found them they stomped their shit and chased them away (yavin 4, hoth)

There is a major flaw in this often repeated argument:
Assume you have a government. It is in a position of power and has control over everything. Within it, there are some people who are oppressed, while others make a good life in wealth and luxury. If you add up the benefits of the government for some of the people, you find that it outweighs the negatives for the rest. You might say, then, that this is a great system.

The people who are at a disadvantage will think otherwise, and naturally, they will want to fight back. And because of what they are doing, they bring down the quality of life with the system as a whole, so as to make the overall negatives (counting themselves) greater than the original positives. The government then begins to engage in battle with them. Now under your logic, this makes them the villains, for acting out in such a manner. And perhaps from the point of view of those who enjoyed life under this government, this is true. But for the people who were in a worse situation, they are simply trying to better their own lives. Under your argument, they are the villains for refusing to accept that they should have a worse lot in life than someone else.

It would be like saying that within a great company of ten thousand employees, there are fifteen thousand who get paid at least 30% more than the other five thousand, despite similar work experience. Those five thousand leave the company at the call of another man, and form their own rival company. The first loses its monopoly on the industry as the second begins undercutting them. In this new situation, the first is unable to continue paying its full number of employees as it has, and opts to cut three thousand of its jobs. For those three thousand, life is indeed much worse, particularly if they refuse to seek employment at the new company. And to them, surely, the new company must seem a villain, as it does to the original company. But to the people working within it, this must not seem the case.

The flaw of the Galactic Empire inherently stems from the fact that the actions it performed, whatever good some might have been, brought enough problems that it cause a rebellion to form that eventually led to it collapsing.

Of course, in the grand scheme of Star Wars, none of this really matters. The entire war between the Alliance and the Empire is just a backdrop for the story of the Skywalker family. If it wasn't for the actions of the Empire, Luke Skywalker would have remained a random fuck in the desert until the day that he died. But that's not what happened, and instead, the Emperor himself was thrown into a pit. And while the Alliance and Empire are arguably good and evil, Luke himself is, at the very least, a good person, while the Emperor is a villain. Within the context of the story itself, the moral ambiguity of the backdrop irrelevant.

that's a really long, boring way to say "i think you're wrong and the empire were the bad guys". by that logic, the Syrian rebels are the good guys and who cares if all they've done is blow up government soldiers, ruin infrastructure and kill people, the government killed people too and who cares if they built roads and hospitals

Well you did say

is saying the Empire did obviously have a negative impact on enough people that a rebellion was formed.

One thing about the Rebellion is that at least a few of its leaders were former senators. Do you think they were representing the will of their home planets, or were they self serving and angry that the Empire took their power away?

If you oppress enough people for enough time you'll get your shit stomped.

i think that's hard to say. some were probably pissed that their own personal status quo had been upset by their imperial overseers, but that said the rebellion was dangerous and difficult to join or be a part of, i don't think people would sign up just for the hell of it

The original plan was to export all of them, that wasn't viable at the time, it is now certainly more viable. He wanted the jews to go to Israel, then Madagascar and when he got blockaded they were put in camps. But not killed in the numbers reported

What if the status quo is good but the villain wants to turn change it into a shitty one?

A few reasons.

A well-written villain is usually more interesting than a hero, because he serves as a staging ground for the argument of an idea. This idea is usually what the villain wants, or the means by which he uses to get it. The hero, then, becomes a foil to the villain's philosophy, and not the other way around. This in turn makes the story interesting.

This is only one way to go about it, though. A good example of an alternative method is in Mega Man classic, where both the protagonist and villain are extremely simple characters, and what makes the story interesting is the situation surrounding them. Mega Man is about as morally simple as Jonathan Joestar, and Wily is about as complex as Wile E. Coyote or Daffy Duck. Nobody roots for Wily. However, who they are leads to interesting ideas surrounding them, such as questions about the ethics of robotics, the relationship between robots and their creators. This kind of setup is perfect for the medium it started on, which was extremely limited. The problem is that it takes a lot more time and effort to make something like that.

Games are no longer specifically about gameplay, but rather, what someone was thinking about. Because games are an accepted medium now, there are now people ("artists") who make games as their default medium, with no regard as to whether it would be a better book, movie, or blogpost instead. That's not to say that they're obligated to make something a medium they're unfamiliar with, but rather, that it's not considered. They enjoy video games, therefore they make games. In turn, "I want to make a video game about [existential quandary]," has become a valid thought, for better or for worse. However, as mentioned previously, it's more difficult to make an entire story which leads to a satisfactory exploration of an idea. Mega Man took three games before it reached any meaningful complexity. It's much easier to have a villain espouse it in a way where you want to agree with them but can't, as it's the single fastest way to discuss the pros and cons of an idea without outright telling you what's right or wrong. And as a result, through laziness and lack of inspiration, we're stuck on it.

We live in an era of deconstruction, where everything has to be super postmodern and meta, and good and evil cannot be a thing. Because of this, there cannot be perfect heroes or villains, either. Everyone must be not just a flawed human being, but kind of a piece of shit. I estimate this was popularized in video games with Metal Gear Solid 1 and Final Fantasy VII being released around the same time. Not that I've watched more than a bit of it, but if I had to guess, I'd say that Eva being released immediately prior to these had something to do with it. Video games haven't had a spiritual equivalent to Gurren Lagann yet, either. MGR is close conceptually, but is still stuck in the angst and moral ambiguity left by its predecessors.

Like the 00s, we live in an era where people are extremely cynical and edgy, but now we've learned to be "cool" about it through the use of post-irony. Connecting with points 1 and 2, this leads to people arguing in favor of certain villains' philosophies post-ironically, because even if they recognize that they're partially bad ideas, on some level they do want them. This is part of why point 1 works, regardless of the time period, as the conflict in the mind of the viewer forces them to explore the fact that they want it themselves, and therefore, have to grapple with the idea themselves.

It's not inherently good or bad, (haha) but we brought it on ourselves. However, it's probably limiting to keep to such a formula.

And there it is, that's how the story's antagonist actually becomes the hero of the story.

2017 is going to be a good year user

I don't know who that third one is but did the recent JoJo games ever get released on a console with good emulation?

He answered that question.
Heroes defend the status quo of the morals of the viewer. In a total cyberpunk dystopia, shit is the legal, social, and economic status quo, and the heroes fight against it. Or learn to cope with it

The politicization of games, while an issue, is not the core issue here. The issue is the way that ideas are presented, rather than which ideas. The right could easily do exactly the same thing, as could any non-political thought or ideology. The left is currently the status quo, which is why leftist ideals are currently the values of most "heroes." TL Note: Hero means Protagonist.

Ardyn is not a villain, Noctis is.
Ardyn was the real heir to the lucis line, then he got fucked over and became kefka because he got tricked into absorbing all the evil in the world and the Bahamut told him to fuck off when it was his time to ascend.
Then Bahamut goes and chooses the guy that fucked him over as the true heir, so he decided he was going to kill himself in the most grandiose fashion possible: by manipulating the lucis line(noctis) into killing his ass so hard it wrote him out of history.

The plot of FFXV was basically a really intricate assisted suicide.

Not canon :^)

it still hurts

Fuck me, I read it backwards. Regardless, the point stands. If the status quo is good, why would the audience want it changed?

I'm just going to come out and say most of what is posted here is complete fucking garbage.
What is really happening here is rather simple.

The trend for villains in video games/stories in general went from people doing bad shit for the sake of doing bad shit to people doing bad shit with an end goal that could be seen as somewhat sympathetic.
On top of that, villains are given tragic backstories now which show that they weren't always bad but SOCIETY turned them bad.
This resonates with a bunch of the *chan audience which usually see them as social outcasts in one way or another.
As such, they identify with the villains and disregard all the fucking horrible shit that they do or WANT to do as means to their ends.

In short, Holla Forums identifies with the villains because they are autistic manbabies who are shunned by society at large (and likely with good reason) and so identification with the villain is just another way to project feelings towards revenge on that society.
Because who cares if a bunch of normalfags are harmed in the pursuit of their goals of ultimate utopia?

You aren't even trying.

I don't need to.
the "MUH LEFTISTS" circlejerk is all smoke and mirrors.

People get mad when they hear the truth.

It's more due to the fact that they've had a monopoly on pop media, so of course people will react specifically to them, as they're exposed to their contradictions. When more traditional views are common place, you'll see the polarity of the argument flip.

That doesn't mean that anything people get mad at is true, though.

That's true.

When villains started caring about ideals and their people more than the "heroes". Everyone respects willpower and drive, but the heroes in (((Current year))) are all communists or diversity hires drunk on power. And the villains are the new downtrodden traditionalists that often want to stop a country thats diseased, which most common people can agree with nowadays. In times of tyranny, the rebels becomes the working mans hero, and the governments workers become the villain. Just look at Robin Hood. If the country wasnt being led by a despot instead of Richard who was off crusading, Robin Hood and his band of merry man would either be villains, or at least morally grey for robbing from a decent government watching out for the people.

Before they uncanonized the EU, the empire had a purpose too. To fight yuuzhan vong. And the rebels destroying the empire nearly gets the entire galaxy genocided by them, because they dont have the manpower, capital or infrastructure to properly fight them.
Course, without the Vong around and everything after being uncanon now, and the new movies being canon, it means the rebels destroyed the empire, killed the president and everything else only to barely accomplish anything by the new series, dated decades after and the galaxy is worse off because of it.

If that were even remotely true they wouldnt have backpedalled on the captain America is Hyrdra bit, and the progressive comics nowadays wouldnt be selling like shit. While its true many people like villains as they can be more interesting than heroes by virtue of being against the status quo and can have depth that a hero lacks, the current batch oh heroes that keep coming out are either progressive tyrants, like wonder woman beating on a tied up prisoner or the complete despot Captain marvel, or diversity hires like black spiderman. The left has the common man against them, and it shows.

Comics have been selling like shit for decades now. You can't seriously expect people to pay five bucks for twenty pages of story. The ideological content is secondary. In my opinion, the diversification of the comics is a fig leaf so they can avoid the PC police when they make films staring the traditional versions of the characters.

Bullshit. Comparing sales from just a couple years ago show a sharp drop in sales when you include diversity hires or some progressive agenda. You could just look at sales of thor to female thor as an example, but heres a few more examples showing how well diversity sells in the real world. Blame the economy all you want, or comics failing in general. But comparing traditional comics to progressive diversity bullshit shows where the money is going.

What about every hero being in three of their own series and several team comics that all reference all of the included heroes' solo adventures and other teams to the point you'd need to be an autistic neet to keep up with all of them properly?

New civil war was really bad for this. You'd have to spend an arm and a leg to fully know whats going on. But like I said, a failing comic industry for marvel and dc does not change that diversity hires and progressive bullshit sells much worse than classic titles that arent adding in all this pandering bullshit. It doesnt help either they keep changing established characters either. If they want to include new characters they should just make them from an alternate timeline like Spider Gwen.

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Holy shit this is exactly what I said to my friends about this. So many of the regressive left idiots making games now grew up on the edgy "everyone is shit" version of original sin that was in FF7, Evangelion, etc.

Yes, people are flawed and flawed characters are more realistic. But why is the protagonist's flaw always some form of naiveity or "I am le sad" drama?

I sat through all of Evangelion. And all I could do, every single episode, was wish the protagonist would kill himself or otherwise die. He was such a boring, dumb, useless cunt who never changed. He deserved to die. Then I watched Gurren Lagann. It starts off sort of the same, but then instead of curling up into a ball and denying reality like that faggot in Eva, Simon grows a pair and tells everyone they're going to win whether they like it or not. He's not just merely surviving day-to-day while holding a knife to his wrist the whole time, he has grabbed life by the balls, told the world to fuck off, and claimed his rightful place as hero.

But nope. I'm left finding the villain more relatable because half the time they're the only person who feels like they're actually alive. Everyone else is just going through the motions.

When they started telling the truth.

To be fair, that's what you're supposed to feel about Eva.

I just like a good villain. The more memorable, the better.

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if you're still reading comics I feel bad for you, son.

Most anons just want to be left the fuck alone to wallow in our degeneracy. So when said normal fags start encroaching on our turf & start lighting cars on fire, shitting up nice neighborhoods, destroying that nice little store that sells those little pastries you like & inviting outsiders help them in completely destroying everything we enjoy, & we finally call them out on it; they have the audacity to to turn around & say "You're the bad guy for wanting peace & quiet!". You can't help but feeling just a bit miffed at the whole situation and agreeing with a lot of these new bad guys who also more or less just want some peace & quiet even if it mean getting of those people who yelled at you for not letting them burn down your house.

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"This phenomenon, the fascinating villain or colorful rogue, who steals the story and the drama from the anemic hero, is prevalent in the history of Romantic literature, serious or popular, from top to bottom. It is as if, under the dead crust of the altruist code officially adopted by mankind, an illicit, subterranean fire were boiling chaotically and erupting once in a while. Forbidden to the hero, the fire of self-assertiveness burst forth from the apologetic ashes of a "villain.""

Ayn Rand, The Romantic Manifesto.

Andrew Ryan wasn't even a villain.

I suppose he could be considered an antagonist.

I don't follow comics anymore but this is fucking hilarious if true. Big brother is okay if it's big sister? Wasn't the whole point of civil war that heroes need their freedumbs and anonymity?

For the left, bigger government is better government. the government is all good and can do no wrong as well as incapable of doing wrong, more control and power is good because it keeps them in power.

They're totalitarians (note that totalitarianism and authoritarianism are distinct, the former grants all power to the state, the latter grants all power to a single individual), they believe that human nature is "perfectible" as long as they can force them to act how they wish.

You've got tunnel vision the idea that villains are more sympathetic goes beyond here and no one in popular media is catering to the *chan or outcast audience.

I've heard family members who've never been outcasts or channers express similar sentiments towards media.

Its also likely that the writers just aren't very good and aren't conscious of what they're even saying in their work.

That's an old comic practice, it's shit but it's a symptom not a cause

I read the original post wrong, so it's fine. I interpreted
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I think the real reason Holla Forums despises Cawadooty is because you kill nazis.

And killing nazis triggers nazis.

That's why The Saboteur, Wolfenstein, Velvet Assassin and Cawadooty are my favorite games.

Cause I sure love me some fun games that let me one-man genocide the krauts.

thats a common tactic to get people to buy more shitty comics. It's why you don't read capeshit in the first place. Stick with TMNT or something.

Here's a bit by ditko about heroes needing to have a clear understanding of good and evil and representing an ideal man.
youtube.com/watch?v=P8Y2-j2pMVk

sometimes the villian just wants to survive, and will do whatever it takes. The protagonist just happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Go away jew.

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If you accuse enough people of being jews eventually you get one though.

Yeah, and a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then, too.

You either die a hero, or live long enough to become the villain.

I'm not a jew, I find their religion and way of life to be just as bullshit as no-fun-allowed nazism. I'm an American, I'm supposed to be free to have as much fun as I like.

I do have a smidgen of Cherokee running through me, though, and when I see a nazi it gets real mad at the white man for what he did. Course, since the rest of me is pure european white, it realizes that most white people are awesome, so it just focuses it's instinctual hatred on the nazis. Can't tell what it'd do to a nazi if it met one in real life, don't know if I could stop it neither, so it's a good thing you're behind 13 proxies and 7 firewalls.

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Holla Forums didn't start hating COD until Modern Warfare started and here's a goddamn spoiler: There aren't any nazies in Modern Warfare

Hell the first one's flashback had you fighting red commie bastards instead of Nazies.

stop roleplaying user.

Besides, Hitler got the idea for interment camps from the Brits back during the Boer War.

What the fuck does being part Cherokee have to do with hating Nazism?

You haven't played the sequels I take it. As I've said "It's not a Bioshock sequel unless they somehow shit upon Andrew Ryan."

Must bad guys are written better, have a personality that makes them great, and the good ones give you a reason to support them.

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I'm assuming you mean the Marranos that came over with Columbus. They weren't white :^)

The empire has it right, fuck the alliance. They only reason they exist is because of the player character. Without you they would get their shit kicked in by a bunch of nigger beastmen and their various primals that go full jihad on the nations.

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griffith did nothing wrong

It isn't hard to root for the villains when the heroes are shit.
Because, the villains know about their shit. The heroes, meanwhile, they think they're good. The villains see their faults, usually, and say "despite that, what I want, it is good". The heroes, meanwhile, they are unapologetic about their faults. You point their issues out, and they just say "It doesn't matter, I'm right, you're wrong!".

It also doesn't help that most scripts are writ by liberal assholes who shit on the guy preaching freedom and sovereignty from an oppressive federation, say, because 'muh unity', 'muh greater good mind control is fine as long as everyone lives better' and the ilk.

Gas yourself lad.

Grifith did literally everything wrong.
Anyone who says otherwise is a retard.

Seriously, he ended up fucking himself over in the end. If he didn't rush things just because he got a little pissy his gay ass buddy Guts left, he'd've been perfectly fine, and wouldn't've had to set into motion the end of the world. Oh, and also wouldn't have to have all his friends and companions horribly murdered, violated, and generally tortured. I understand the argument of 'well, you've been sacrificing them anyways', but that's a fair bit different from literally selling their souls, and watching as they are murdered, raped, and fucked over.

That's why you get the good end by sitting politely at the table. You even get a country out of the deal!

Remember when this shit was all about controlling the populace? When it was about taking away freedom in the name of "order"?
Now the heroes do that. Instead of opposing these horrible breaches of liberty, they oppose those who still stand for freedom.
We're truly in a strange time. At least the country's waking up to this shit.

I really hope you don't mean to imply that Char was not a little bitch. I'll give you Zeon, though they fucked up hard because their leaders kept doing stupid shit in the most extravagant way; like using colony drops instead of orbital nuke spam against Jaburo. They ended up justifying the existence of the Titans with their stupidity, and even with it being thrown back in their face they kept on trucking.

The idea is to deport them from your country. They can have their middle eastern and african shitholes.

That's not accurate at all. That depends on the perspective of the story told. The good guys can be rebels, fighting the corrupt status quo. See Star Wars, if you will.
No, the issue with heroes is, they're never apologetic about their faults. And sometimes those faults are horribly glaring. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't want, say, Fallout NV's style of "everyone is shit, just do your own stuff". It's just that, if they've got a lot of shit to them, they're not going to look better than the villain, who at least admits his shit.

That sort of shit is why my favorite heroes are the somewhat crappy gook style ones of "These are my values. I will FIGHT YOU FOREVER FOR THEM NO MATTER THE ODDS". Because, if you stick to your values, then it doesn't matter so much if there's shit tacked on to your system, because you don't like that shit anyway, and you're working to get rid of it by virtue of they go against your values. Assuming you have a system as a whole, anyway. If it's just you, even better, because all you do is punch shit you disagree with. Oh, yes, maybe the destruction of the system you are causing at that point is bad, but again, it doesn't really matter because you are acting around your beliefs as a whole. You oppose the system by virtue of values. You don't worry about the cost to benefit of things, you worry about what is right, and what is wrong.

Pic related. Worst character, because of this shit. Had no values. Scum of the earth, for that.

Zeon's fine. Char not so much. Char's a bit of a psychopath. I understand his reasonings, though, so I wouldn't really label him 'bad'. Those fuckers destroyed his family, fucked over his life, and ruined the best chance for Zeon to turn out really good.
Char, though, his childhood basically turned him into a psychopath.
Still a cool guy, though. But definitely not good.

Though, I still want to add, Zeon under Char would still probably be shit.
Zeon under Deikun, and hopefully his daughter instead of Char, would've been pretty excellent.

No way to tell for sure, though. But at the very least, the Zabi family is shit. Minus the big guy, maybe.

The argument is more or less about collectivism as a whole. See, the problem with enslaving one particular group is, that group's got the shit end of the stick.
So, why the hell should they accept their lot in life? They're obviously going to fight against this system that they find horrible. The argument of "greater good" doesn't apply to them, since they're getting none of the benefits of that so-called "greater good".

At that point, the perspective is what matters. Are we going from the perspective of the rich family who's livelyhood is held up by the enslavement of wookies, or the perspective of the wookies, who's livelyhood is stamped on to keep those rich fuckers up?
The rebels aren't automatically the good guys, just as the empire isn't. That depends on the story. I can tell you that I'd be personally opposed to the empire, if that helps, due to my own values.

Also, killing people is not inherently wrong, you dicksucking faggot.

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Rossiu did everything wrong.

I also have some Cherokee in me. They brought the shit on themselves, I am afraid. I'd look into history, were I you.
Cherokee pulled some nasty shit, and finally wore out the patience of folk.

Char was sympathetic in 0079 killing Garma might have been a dick move, but given Char's motivation it made sense. I lost respect for him as the timeline continues. He would be fine as a captain, but he got promoted well beyond what he was capable of and was trying to do some of the same stupid shit that the Zabis did.

This is completely retarded, because it implies the modern SJW hipster in the game industry was a 90s weeb. Most of them were young children at best during that time, and Eva in particular was super niche. Eva came out during the era of VHS anime that sold for $20+ per tape for two episodes. Fansubs were mostly still a mail order business, and anything on the internet for video looked like trash. Dial up internet was still commonplace.
SJWeebs are a thing, but they're basically toonamitards that expect every anime to be like Attack on Titan and Cowboy Bebop. The second they see actual anime they froth at the mouth with rage at the sight of all the cuteness and lewdness in the medium. They're disgruntled casuals in an anime industry that doesn't care about them.
I think what you're seeing is this fake "nostalgia" that a lot of 20 something's tend to put up. These are the kind of people that grew up on Nintendo 64, but they're buying NES and SNES carts they can't even play at insane prices. They remember these games "fondly" because they saw them mentioned in a Kotaku article, then pretend "retro" games were their childhood. These are the kind of fuckwads tossing together pixelshit indie games.
But that isn't even the real cause of shitty villains and writing in general. It's the fact these people confuse their "art" with an opportunity to shove politics down everyone's throats. These people live and breathe identity politics and social justice, so their "villains" are the strawmen they've convinced themselves to revile.

This is likewise retarded, because it implies that modern SJW hipsters are all that is causing this. They don't control everything, albiet they do the main reporting channels most the time. Besides that, the problem has existed prior to their prevalence.
I will give you the Eva thing, though. But, then, I don't think that part was correct. There's plenty of other sources for this sort of angsty garbage, and it had been running through stuff for quite a while. Might've hit nipland first, though, for what that's worth.

In any case, it isn't the politics that's the issue. It's this recent trend of 'everyone is evil in a way' type shit that's really done it. AT least, as far as making the villian usually seem better than the hero. I've gone over that in my prior posts, if you care.

Except SJW hipsters basically do run the industry. Even if they aren't making the games, they convinced the industry to cater to them. 90% of 2016's AAA games had some kind of virtue signaling bullshit. Even localized titles are censored to appease these people.

JUST BECAUSE THE BOARD OWNER IS ONE OF YOUR KIND, DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE WELCOME HERE SCHLOMO

Don't get me wrong, hipsters are shit, but they ain't the cause of all the problems.

It's weird that nowadays people are begging to be censored, i had a faggot who was talking about how some shitty nintendo game needs diversity sincerely ask me "tell me one reason why censoring things is inherently bad?". I just walked away.

Go away to tumblr.

Zeon and other Spacenoid foes not only committing atrocities that would make Stalin say DAMN, but having such support (if not openly) from colonists seriously undermines the "Can'take we all get along" talk and how we're supposed to not support Spacenoid bashers in the sequels.

On fallout 4 the institute were obviously the good guys due to being the only ones who werent insane and actually had a chance of survival.

Considering how shit the earthnoids were, and how horrible the war got to, I don't much blame them. Though, on the plus side, the war solved the whole overpopulation issue, innit.

In any case, most this shit was the groundfucker's fault. Should've let Zeon secede without any trouble. But, noo, in order to maintain the fatcats down planetside, you had to exploit the guys actually working hard to survive up in space.

What is his name Holla Forums?

Horrible actions for less than standard

Filthy acts at a reasonable price

Unhygienic course of actions,at a sub nominal monetary reimbursement

Detestable proceedings done at at a reasonable exchange of wealth.

I still root for the good guys OP, it's just that they're impossible to find nowadays.

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liberalism is a mental health disorder defined by a lack of self-preservation instinct

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Since shitty pretentious writing made the villains more likeable and sensible that the heroes.

I miss caring about the people I play as.

Not only do these leftards not know what trully makes a villan villanous, they don't even know how to sell their own ideology in a positive light
Remember pic related
LW2 was looking aover the shoulder of the dev tema nagging them about what kind of political message they should include
And yeah, communist bullshit was certainly put in the game, though not in the best ligth
The badguy was a totalitarian control freak facist and at one point the only ones oposing them are a terrorist group of a woman called (((Rebeka))) a missenegated commie mongrel with kike name who doesnt give 2 shits about endangering innocent lives so long as it acomplishes her goals, she even gave the MC a tedious lecture of Marxist theory mid level
The problem is that the character herself is protrayed as evil, not as bad as main antagonist, but clearly would become much worse if givven enough power
The Main characters do not like her, the mentor of the main characters do not like her, the villan do not like her and with the way she was protrayed it is evident that the devs didn't like her nor wanted gamers to like her either
Same thing happened with Amita in Far Cry
sure they shoehorned LW in the game but made her an incompetent nagging bitch who every player ended up siding against

And leftard incompetence is not only limited to Vidya, remeber all those strawmen Marvel writers pulled agaisnt trump, comparing him to the Red Skull and all, worst of all is that they expected the general public to dissagre with them or see these perfectly reasonable arguments in a negative light
It's not that Holla Forums cheers on bad guys, it's more like good guys became bad because they are leftist so we choose the lesser evil wich is the right wing bad guy

Not the best examples, OP. Well, can't speak to the FFXV man, since I haven't played that game. But both Boss and Valentine were intentionally written as fairly morally grey characters trying to accomplish a genuine, greater good.

Dicks 4 Chicks

Reported. Blow your brains out, you cocksucking leftist.

Rossiu did everything correct if he was in a normal universe and not Gurran Lagann's universe. Your power level in the Lagann universe is how much you believe in yourself, no matter how stupid that thing is. Through force of will you can create things and movement in reality. In any universe where this is not possible, the ability to brute force yourself into being correct by willpower alone, Rossiu did everything as best he could.

You realize that 1. Hollywood is owned and operated by kikes and 2. They explicitly only care about politically correct things in their media, right?

Have you actually read/watched it?
Your power level in TTGL depends on how erect can your dick get; it's clear as day since Simon using the Lagann is introduced.

Didn't the devs come out and say that didn't happen?

What does this mean that Kamina had a micropenis since he couldn't actually generate spiral energy?

Because in most cases, whenever someone writes a villain, they tend to give anectdotal evidence as to why they are bad and pay no attention to make their intentions evil. For example, pretty much anyone that has played Deus Ex will agree that Bob Page was not only the bad buy but also that he was a complete and utter cunt, that is because both his deeds AND his intentions are inherently evil. Then compare that to Pagan Min in Far Cry 4, whose evilness is demonstrated to you only by seeing him act cruel towards his enemies, thus making his deeds evil but not his intentions, resulting in him being seen as a good guy because all of the things he does to you are because he is acting in retalliation to you attacking him.

If by "correct" you mean "maintain the status quo and never let our civilization advance or move forward from the squalor we sit in", by all means.
Besides that, it's more the principle of the thing.

No by correct I mean if you had the job of saving the human race and you can't save everyone you have to make sacrifices. The only reason it had to work another way because in that universe people can literally will things into existence, such as creating teleportation by wanting to punch Rossiu in the face.

All humans can generate spiral energy because they can reproduce. The reason the monster guys had to use bootleg technology was because they were all sterile.
Spiral energy is the sheer manifestation of the human desire to evolve, evolution implies reproduction, and reproduction is intrinsecally linked with virility. Therefore; in Gurren Lagann, robots are moved by the power of the cock.

And Kamina was really shitty at generating spiral energy, thus using your logic, he had a micropenis. He could, he just sucked at it.

When the "villains" end goals are more heroic than ensuring the status quo of a crapsack world.

Well, he was the one being penetrated during the Gurren Lagann combination.

lewd

Lol you sound bitter

It isn't always about the status quo. For example, in Star Wars the Empire can be seen as the good guys because you are never given a reason to hate them beyond the fact that they kill the people fighting against them. They are still very much the status quo, but can still be seen as the good guys.

Remove n'wah

Oh hey, I've been looking for this for ages!

Or for a vidya-related example, we can use Far Cry 4 again. You play as someone that fights against the status quo but, since your actions simply turn everything to shit, the status quo ends up looking better than rebellion.

Personally, I'd rather devote my time and effort to fucking up the thing what's forcing us to choose.
There's always an alternative, if you man up and face the problem head on.

Which was the correct strategy in the Gurran Lagnn universe because you can brute force yourself into being more powerful by simply believing in yourself more.

Do you remember that time that Kamina nearly killed himself because he refused to retreat? Strategy is not just throw yourself at the enemy unless you're in the Gurran Lagann universe.

>Implying the Joker is wrong though in this case i really can't look past his body count

They probably did once they realised that the USSJW was heading for a masive Iceberg
But Anita was inded par of the project at one point if EA PR fags are to be believed and judging by the Marxist rethoric Rebeca spews mid game i have no doubt that the devs had to suffer though her leftard drivell, but once they got rid of her, they rpbably turned her into a villan just to spite her

fury road was shit, i don't know why you niggers were praising it. the feminist bullshit was just the shit icing on the turd cake.

By exterminating every single person on the planet that speaks English? I know that the US has a fair number of nogs but that is really pushing it. If his goal was to get rid of niggers then he would use French for the parasites and not English.

The Doom and Kain ones are canon. The other two are just reasonable. The Jedi council weren't accountable to anything and were willing to disrupt the republic as much as Palpatine was.

They blow up a planet to kill off the rebel sympathizers and cut off their material support. Killing civilians on that scale tends to get a bit murky. Just a bit.


Kain wasn't a villain, he was an anti-hero. Even Raziel drops the idea of hating him, and Raziel had a backstory that would call for rage unending.

AS shit as Jedi are, Sith are just as bad if not worse.
I say, gas all the force-weilders.

Meanwhile in Japan
Nips not only made a massively proffitable industry out of manga but they even got demographic who traditionally avoid comics to read comics (like women or elderly people)

Merican comics problem is the fact that Merica relies on brands (Superman, SPiderman, etc) while Japan rellyes on formulas (Shonen, Shoujo, etc)
Why prolong Dragon Ball indefinetly, like Merica does with Superman, when you can just copy paste the formula, add a couple of new twist, rebrand it and resell Dragon Ball only this time is called Naruto/One Piece/etc

Merican comics problem is quite simple, stagnation, there hasn't been anything new in mainstream comics for a while now, the old shit that was alrready here is starting to smell

The whole point of doing that was to instill fear so that they wouldn't have to use it again. If they were to claim that a small moon made of metal can destroy the entire universe without proving its potential, then they would just get laughed at for being retards and they would think the Empire is just bluffing. It's like nukes, nobody wants to launch them but everyone wants to have them.

Yeah, because doing it to instill terror throughout the galaxy totally excuses the brutal murder of an entire planet's worth of people.

I never said it was a good thing to do but you have to admit that it was pretty effective

At instilling terror, and making you look like insane bad guys?
Yeah, totally.
Also means that now, the rebels are smart enough not to put all their eggs in one basket, and instead will go with cells, spread throughout the galaxy in things like asteroids, barely populated frozen rocks, and just general ships.
Not like you're cutting reinforcements, either, as they're not going to necessarily be from one single planet, and it would be a bit fuckall retarded to blow up an entire planet because sometimes a few rebel volunteers come from there.

It's about as effective as sawing your own dick off with a rust file.

It doesn't get rid of them but it vastly limits their ability to expand. For example if they were to find a completely uninhabited planet and start building a base, they would get fucked over hard, and they would also get fucked over hard if they were to completely take over an Empire-controlled planet and try to use it as a base for their operations. This means they would have to actually be grass-roots and not simply take over through pure conquest.

We're talking rebels, mate.
Rebels are never conquerors.
You're thinking a civil war type setup.

They do drag shit on as well. Its just that when sales start dipping they cut it off instead of dragging it out, and generally projects stay with one group or author rather than switching around. So you know what to expect art and writing wise.

I think the blame for the Murrican comics industry never grabbing the same audiences was put on the damage the comics code did to the industry. Which fucked up entire genres of comics that would otherwise might compete. Another sad thing is that I have seen women and elder folk getting interested in manga, so it isn't like it is the medium, its entirely the content creators now.


That is why I said it was a bit murky. I understand the tactic and why it gets used, but I still rate it as at least pretty evil.

Considering how large the rebels are, I would consider it to be a civil war setup, especially since the Empire can't shut up about them.

Hey Red Skull is a pretty cool guy

so evil by definition then

They're called rebels, they have no clear cut territory, and they're not fighting the Empire in a proper open war at this point. I really don't see how you could cut it as a 'civil war'.

I thought his dream was making the mother of all omelettes

Very nice.

Oh how right you are there.

The Hylden did LITERALLY NOTHING wrong.

because the heroes have turned to shit and the villains are now given good intentions

the right believe bigger business is better business, that business is all good and can do no wrong as well as incapable of doing wrong, less control and less regulation is good because it keeps them rich.

I can do it too.

How is G-Man a villain? We don't know anything about the dude and as far as we know he saved Gordon and his friends a few times

Let's ignore all the political Holla Forumstard idiots.
Very simply, when you start making the villains sympathetic and giving the heroes flaws in the names of 'realism', people are going to sympathize with the villains. If anything, it's a critique on the concept of hero and villain itself.

Why can't you just post normally

You know, I always had a theory about the Sonic universe in relation to heroes and villains, based mainly on Sonic CD.

You can kinda see it in the different versions of each stage:
Things are the way they once were. Greenery and wildlife flourish, while machinery is sparse and difficult to fit into the lush world.
Greenery and wildlife is gone. In its place are the machines that had taken its place, rusted and broken over the course of time, with pollution and destruction having taken its toll.
Wildlife and technology merge together and essentially become one. Things are more vibrant than ever before, but things are clearly not as nature would have determined it. Wildlife thrives even greater in this technosymbiosis.

Then, you have to look at the characters.
Sonic the Hedgehog, the hero of the series, would want things to return to the way things were in the Past. He is generally anti-technology and I don't think he's ever been shown throughout the series to really care about using technology for the purposes of good.
Robotnik/Eggman, obviously, is the path that leads to the bad future. He only cares about his own gains, and is willing to sacrifice the environment to meet his needs. He's not as comically evil as he seems, but rather he's an egomaniac that is not capable of finding a balance in the uses of his technology.

The Good Future is actually the result of Metal Sonic. Throughout the series, Metal Sonic is shown to be hyperintelligent (even moreso than Eggman). Even as an antagonist to Sonic, it's shown to be more of a rivalry than anything born out of hatred (and in later installment, he even goes against Eggman's orders just to continue his rivalry with Sonic). There's been a point in at least one of the games where he does prioritize the value of living creatures over himself (in one of his few Heroic moments). Therefore, it is reasonable to conclude that a machine with genius level intelligence would be the one to best merge technology and nature together to create a physical utopia for all creatures.


tl;dr autism and Metal Sonic did nothing wrong.

Borderlands fucking 2. I never gave a shit about politics in games and never wanted to, but this was the first "modern" game I played after secluding myself to PS2 and Gamecube for well into the Wii/360/PS3 era.
Everything in this fucking game is caused directly by the "good heroine" Lilith. If you played Pre-Sequel god fucking help you if you did you'll know that she let innocent people die because she didn't like Jack killing innocent people. She watched expressionlessly and helped kill said innocents and tried to play the hero card. To an extent, Roland is responsible too, for allowing Lilith to act like such a fucking bitch. Anyway, Lilith directly cause Handsome Jack to want to fuck up Pandora by betraying him because of her "fee-fees" in a game about fucking killing when in Borderlands 1 all she did as a character was
FUCKING KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE FOR MONEY
IN 2 ALL SHE DOES IS GIVE YOU QUESTS TO FUCKING KILL INNOCENTS FOR MUH FEE-FEES
Lilith caused Jack to be scarred and want to wipe out Pandora. Lilith caused Roland to die. Lilith directly caused every fucking bad thing in the Borderlands universe post the first one, I mean absolutely EVERYTHING.
Not to mention Jack was completely right. Pandora is a fucking shithole inhabited by mutants, bandits, pieces of shit like Lilith, faggots, trannies, and many many more degenerates that could go with being wiped the fuck out. I was rooting for him the second I started playing 2, because once he said his motives I agreed 100%.

Don't ever fucking play a Borderlands game. Even trying to comprehend the fucking story alone, without getting into the literal hundreds of flaws I can list about the game, is why I tell people to stay far fucking away from it. Fuck the friend that bought me it. Fuck the people I played with. Fuck Burch for writing this shit, and FUCK Gearbox for publishing it. Everyone involved who ever played this game, including me, should be fucking gassed and put out of their misery.
tl;dr Borderlands is fucking garbage.

I agree with everything you said, but Armstrong is a bad example. He was just a greedy bastard who wanted more money.

Manga are published in digests of several hundred pages though.

I think it does. Alderaan was full of traitors making war on their rightfully elected government.

And where did you draw that conclusion from? In order to use the military to collapse the war economy, you obviously need a fair amount of money so him being rich is a given, but where do you get the idea that he is doing it so he could earn more?

Kreia was correct about everything, though.

Hue

He was granted the power constitutionally by the Senate. Not his fault they didn't research what was actually going on.

Well he was elected, he simply consolidated his power by using emergency powers that he was given democratically to remove the Republic.

I don't remember which youtube schmuck said this but they made a point about Villians being active agents of change while heroes are reactive agents in the story.

Plus a lot of villains are well intention, and very often very human. I like characters with nuance to them, so not just mouth pieces for ideological stances or certain issues.

The day I stopped believing in spooks.

Not to mention that in video games, the hero is often more or less uncharacterized, or only lightly characterized, so any action the villain takes that isn't directly against the player mechanically is easy to brush off.

I may be wrong, it's been a while since I played it, but doesn't he admit in the next scene that it was just talk political talk? When Raiden brings up the "you were never poor, you never have to fight to survive" speech?

Stirner was the philosophical equivalent of a NEET shitpost and you should be embarrassed for espousing his ideas, even "ironically."

That makes no sense whatsoever in the given context. Spooks are things you consider to be real and something that is a distraction from the real issues at hand, which is irrelevant in the given situation. If you're going to post Holla Forums memes, you should at least make sure they make sense.

Holla Forums hasn't actually read him, they just use "spooks" as a stand in for "social construct" so they can pretend they are distinct from SJWs.

And after he said it was just political talk, he admitted that his real intentions were to cause collapse because of how he was sick of what the US had become.
And that was Raiden who said that, not Armstrong, to which he replied by saying that he started from a sports scholarship at university, meaning that he fought his way up to the position that he was in.

Quite down in the dirt assignments at a rather exceptionally small pittance.

Just saw it again, you're right, don't know why I remenbered him to be wrong.

He's still batshit insane though. Dude was turning children into war machines to reach his goal.

dirty deeds done dirt cheep

*facepalm*

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Drill dick was the original inspiration after all

Unsurprising because those are ideologies a degenerate NEET would believe in as it excuses all responsibility of caring about another human being.
You know the whole ‘survival of the fittest’ bit that always gets interpreted to mean ‘the strongest/bravest/smartest,' that's the wrong 'fit.'
The ‘fittest’ from the evolution PoV doesn’t mean ‘fit’ as in ‘good physical shape’. It’s fit as in ‘to fit’. Survival of the fittest doesn’t mean the strongest gets the crown, survival of the fittest means that the one who best fits the environment they’re in gets to survive. They’re ‘the most fitting’ aka fittest.
Being stronger and smarter does not automatically increase your chances for anything.
Case in point: tunicates. They start their life looking a whole lot like oceanic tadpoles and actually have a cerebral ganglion, meaning a proto-brain. When as the larva matures it settles down, attaches to the ocean ground and *gets rid of its protobrain* and instead grows a proper digestive system. It literally does away with its brain in favour of eating. Because brains is expensive organs to keep and hey if you can make do without, why go through the effort?
Guess how long tunicates been around? 500 million fucking years at least that’s about the age of the oldest undisputed fossil, from the Maothianshan Shales in China. That’s pretty fucking successful for evolution.
It's the same for physcial strength. That’s why you don’t see every predator out there being ripped, or even prey animal. Because strength is fucking expensive to have. All those muscles require upkeep. That requires energy. Energy you gotta take from somewhere. It's 'cheaper' to be well camouflaged, or poisonous, or pretend to be poisonous, or be speedy, or have keen senses that allow you to stop danger long before it gets to you.
And that’s just talking about the effects predation might have on a species. Environment is a factor. You can be a muscle loaded hulk like Armstrong, but if you’re not insulated properly you’re going to freeze to death in the arctic cycle. You can be smart as fuck and dehydrate like a fish in the desert if you’re not build for it. There is never a ‘universal’ adaption that works always.

It doesn't, it excuses the responsability of caring for those you don't care. There is nothing wrong about helping people you are found of or love, but it's wrong to be forced to help people you couldn't give two shits about.


Don't know, man. I'm fairly sure he wants the survival of the strongest, otherwise he would get rid of government altogether.

I am pretty sure getting rid of the government was the whole point, because otherwise "everyone fighting their own wars" would make no sense, since you would end up with people fighting both their own and someone else's war at the same time.

The fuck, man. Armstrong is not an anarchist, he wants to be president. His idea is for a government that doesn't butt into people's business, that reward the struggle instead of punishing it.


It's the Metal Gear universe, the world is filled with private militaries and cyborgs. The nations really don't have a need for civilians to join the army anymore.

And guess where those private militaries get their money from, by getting paid by the government to enforce laws, just like how PMCs work in real life but taken to the extreme. PMCs don't make money by shooting people and then looting their wallet, their entire existance relies on being paid by the government, which is why in real life the US manufactured and sold drugs, because they couldn't pull the funds from the budget.

Nope, EoH and ASB are for PS3/4, but they aren't very good anyway. You're better off just playing fightcade, emulating the ps2 giogio game, and 7SU.

When the villain's motivation was more sound than the heros'.
Also these >>11763348

Yes, and that's not really a bad thing. Remenber Armstrong actually owns the biggest PMC in the US.

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What's the matter user? You don't like RPGs?

It's really well done RPGmaker shit though.
It probably has more replay value then most modern day RPGs.

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

SKULLS FOR THE SKULL-THRONE

LET THE GALAXY BURN

While you are correct about the definition of fittest do realize that the human capcity to survive in alternate environments is unrivalled by anything that isn't a microbe like a water bear. Man's intelligence and dogged tenacity allowed him to live on the moon as the only organisms there. Intelligence and brain size is a high risk high reward adaptive strategy. Sure we don't have the safe bet of being a little water filter at the bottom of the ocean but humans can temporarily stay there, the water filter, not so much.

That’s not how evolution works. Like, fundamentally. The base goes like this: you have a species, a type of bunny. There are variants to that type of bunny, like fur length. If the bunnies live in moderate climate, those fur lengths may be entirely neutral. If the climate now becomes colder, it’s possible that the longer furred bunnies fare slightly better, resulting in a spread of the long-fur-gene through the population. Meanwhile the short-fur-bunnies may either die, or migrate to warmer climates, leading to a split of the one species of bunny into a long fur and a short fur variant which, at given time, may develop into a different species.
And the thing is, the extra expense of muscles and brains? All of that would most certainly be negatively selected for. They would be disadvantages until a shift made them advantages. That is what happens to ‘hospital’ strains of bacteria. The moment you take them out of the environment they’re adapted to, all these proteins they grow that counteract antibiotics, all these adaptions that make them to hard to kill? They can make them susceptible to simply being outgrown by run-of-the-mill bacteria. Because those extra proteins take up resources, resources that outside of a very specific environment the bacteria cannot afford to spend if they need to keep going.
There is no such thing as a 'universal advantage' no matter what you like to pretend. There is no evolutionary trait that’s going to come out on top in all circumstances. There are traits have proven to be able to cope with drastic environmental chances over the years. Sharks come to mind, but if you look at the biggest shark example, the charcharodon megalodon, it's fucking extinct because size and strength are not universal advantages.
Huge brains are not universal advantages for sure because that shit is incredibly energy intensive. Can nature can get away with less brains? It goddamn does. As little brain as possible. The whole "you only use 10% of your brain" shit is a lie because you wouldn’t be carrying 90% of your brain around if it was useless. It eats 20% of your body's energy needs and weighs like 2% of your body weight. That is just not a viable expense unless you need it. And humans need it because we got nothing else going for us. We’re not strong. We’re not fast. Our senses aren’t amazing. We got endurance out the ass and big brains, but that’s it.
Evolution does not create super-creatures that have strength and speed and brains and senses because that’s a fucking waste of resources.

What feminist bullshit?
When I watched it, it seemed like the "STRONG WIMMINS" were idiots who needed to be rescued. Shit..the women that had their GURL POWER society flat out said that they fucked up and couldn't farm the land or do anything that the guys used to do and so they turned to a life of baiting and raiding.


Also, Kain was never wrong nor was he ever a Villain.
Oh..wait did you start at Soul Reaver and not Legacy of Kain?
Regardless, it is all laid out in all the games. Kain is and always was the rightful heir as the scion of balance to the pillars and he always was the one that was supposed to kill the Elder God.

Raziel pretty much paralleled what a bunch of Trump supoprters ended up doing. He saw that every side was telling him to "KILL KAIN" and realized that if Kain is that much of a threat to ALL of these people then there must be something RIGHT about what he was doing.
Also, Kain had numerous opportunities to destroy Raziel and simply didn't do it.

Griffthfags are no better than leftycucks saying that gomminusm works.

I was shocked when it dawned on me that Dr..Doom was actualy an anti-hero simply trying to get his counbry and people (wich he ruled kindly and fairly) to survive an onslaught of super-powered US backed terrorists.

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Having Dr. Doom as an uncle must be pretty fucking cool.

My apologies if I gave the impression of protecting Jews.

Disney cant tell you what is cannon in your head, user.

It is ludicrous how well written Michael Jordon was as a villain in Shut Up and Jam Gaiden. Actually sent shivers up my spine when you start the 1v1 with him while Sweet Georgia Brown plays in the background. For a joke game, a lot of love and craft was put into it.

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Ever occurred to you that people don't like having their house destroyed? The nazis destroyed europes collective house.

Despite the overall absurdity, Barkley is legitimately one of the saddest games I've ever played.

It takes SOME skills to make Wilford Brimley dying because he's been using his diabetes resistant body to absorb all the diabeetus in the world, and used the last of his power to save Barkley's son, into one of the saddest moments I've ever had playing a video game.

When heros became so unlikeable that you'd rather have the villain complete his goal rather than siding with the bland faggot you've been playing as the entire game

I was going to laugh at you both, but goddamn you're right. Michael was a real son of a bitch and it felt intense when you got to fight him. The ending is also pretty sad, RIP Charles Barkley

How so?

Whoops forgot my

Dont forget that according to one of the arcade endings and the ending scene of story mode, raiden got fucking sick and tired of everybody's bullshit pouring over to earthrealm, so now wants to take over both outworld and netherrealm to stabilize everything and protect earth.
I for one welcome these changes.

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They also stole everyone's shit where ever they went. Only so much of it got returned after the war and a lot of valuable art and gold never got back to its owners.

Akagi isn't edgy hipster shit, take that back.

he is talking about that poster that uses akagi as as avatar and talks shit about kenshiro

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I'm joking, literally.

I miss the days when evil was evil and it was simple. Now everyone just wants shades of grey so no one is good, no one is bad.

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Nigger, you knew what user said, you knew what meant, but you blatantly changed his wording just so you'd have an argument.

What about jews? Are they pure evil, or is it "subjective"?

This is the lamest b8 I've ever seen

When we realized that cucks wrote the heros

Not really. It more says he misses his childhood when villains were comically evil and had no real motivation beyond "haha I am the knockdown villain".
Games with villains that have sympathetic reasons or better motivations just show that either the writers are actually good at doing their job or they aren't aware that what they are having the "villain" fight for isn't really evil.
I'm not really sure where the shades of grey thing comes from either seeing as most good characters these days are shining bastions of purity that don't even have a real personality. The reason villains are seen as sympathetic is because they have a real backstory that shows why they want to burn everything down but generally that's just used against them later as a "redemption" storyline.

Reminder that moral relativism is shit because you can't solve a single fucking thing through this type of subjectivity except through might=right, which really undermines the concept of morality in the first place.

and as a bonus, it's easy to hack, just create a project folder in a pirated version of RPG maker 2003, and transfer the entire game into that folder.

You can't change the actual events, but you CAN add your own and even make your own items and NPCs that transport you to different maps, set comment events to happen where they shouldn't (like Caravan and the other stand inn events so you don't have to waste time resetting every time you don't get your item ability) or just flat out give your party FP, EXP, set up cheat shops, set a two way transport to the Dev room, get Badges of Honor, all that.

Honestly you shouldn't do this if you actually want a good experience, though. Having 99 Nuclear Bombs and spamming Badges of Honor is too hard to resist. At the end of the game I had all sorts of throwback shit like Whammu's Divine Sandstorm through Badges of Honor and loads of skills that made it not fun to play.

That wasn't fun, So I just restarted and added Aya with a level matching event so I could change stands whenever and a Ripple Book shop at exorbitant rates. The game was solidly organized so crashing didn't happen when I changed Stands, which changed the protagonist's responses and personality.

Getting thrown into a hellscape where you are torn apart/burned for five hundred years, and having your clan eradicated are pretty rage inducing. The fact that he is still rational and doesn't decide to kill Kain above all else says something about just how fed up he was getting with the Elder God.

Not to say he isn't an idiot. Raziel was the character in the cast who held the most cards, despite what he thought.

Trust me, you're not alone. I enjoy characters like Frieza being monstrous assholes abusing raw power just because it was fun and sounding entertaining enough while doing it.

You didnt watch inglourious basterds

The Empire was quite simply poorly written. The entire Empire throughout all of Starwars regardless of if it's a movie, tv show or whatever portray the Empire as a bunch of evil, goosestepping space nazis who are nothing but sociopaths. The Sith who largely rule the Empire literally belong to the "Dark" side whereas the rebels belong to the light side. The villians and protaganists in star wars often have no good motivitaion with I guess the exception of Darth Vader, General Grevious and a few others. An example of the piss poor motivation shown by the villians and the protaganists would be when the death star is used to blow up alderaan, why did the Empire blow up alderaan? Because there may be rebels hiding on it. Why were the rebels the good guys? bcuz da empire is da evil 1s. The enjoy star wars universe is just a bunch of retards with shitty motivation running around creating on the spot light shows.

Whatever happened to Barkley 2?

Using Blizzard as an example, we keep seeing characters like the Proudmoores either getting framed as villains keeping down the Dindus (Hordes) at worst to being strawman going too far who make characters like Anduin Wrynn look good. Now, the issue is that Blizzard tries to have it both ways when it comes to the Horde. They go from doing cartoonishly evil antics over here to it being not really their fault somehow or they're somehow kept down by the evul Humans/Whitey/Alliance (Forsaken).

This isn't helped by how the Alliance is officially called the Captain America factions. You have Captain America Faction having to fight a faction that supposedly supposed to be an evil like the Scourge Burning Legion yet that same faction repeatedly fails to show it won't try to screw over the Alliance if it can.

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Go back to the LA li lu le lo

More like when did heroes become so boring.

Then what defines the moral right? There's no God in Star Wars, and the closest that it has is the Force. Meaning all you have is the Light Side and the Dark Side, the good and the bad. Since the Empire is ruled by someone using the Dark Side, by that logic, the empire must be bad, making the Rebels good.

Alternatively, you can look at actions. Yes, the Empire made things stable. But it also practiced slavery, had people killed without trial (see also: Luke's family), permitted the arbitrary execution of people by those favored by the Emperor, suspended any say the people might have in their own government, and let an entire planet including numerous non-combatants be destroyed (something which is stated to badly mess with the Force). If you say the Rebels did immoral things as well, then what do you have? Two sides both in the moral wrong. Meaning that either way, the people as a whole are going to suffer.


Because the genre is a fucking Space Opera. The Rebels, the Empire, it's all meant to frame the story of the main characters. It could literally have been a complete reversal (brave Luke Skywalker being recruited in the army of the noble but small Empire after an attack by rebels led by the evil warlord Darth Vader, who is actually his father) and it wouldn't have made a huge fucking difference.

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The "Good Guys" are now doing things for a moral greater good. Something subjective and arguable even if that means fucking everything up.
The "Bad Guys" are doing things for a more pragmatic greater good. Things which would objectively better the world but having questionable moral values.
It reflects the culture we live in where people are willing to do things to their causes detriment just to feel good. Writers live in this culture so it bleeds into their work.
Also people usually play games to feel empowered and badass so when the good guys are unlikable and incompetent, rooting for the big, powerful, bad guys is easier.

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No, he was trying to leave before anything happened to him. He was planning to go the the academy to be trained as a pilot, and then ditch that to join the rebellion. Even without that, he would have sought some form of adventure, it was what he craved.

Seems rather detestable to me.

Through general consensus, we can arrive at objective morals. It's like I'm really in critical thinking 101 class full of retards goddamn.

What? How do you think he piloted his Gurren? He didn't have it the first time he got in, because he was scared. Fear is the opposite of fighting spirit. Same shit happened to Shemoan.

Don't the engravings and dialogue of the last Blood Omen 2 mission reveal that the Hylden helped mankind develop?

once again like the empire the larger problem with the legion was the fact that they were poorly written, though in this case it was because of time and funding constraints

to be fair ffxv was fucked to death by cuts just like all the other games that just ended up being good instead of great. theres no proof but i feel like the story wouldve been better if… you know it was there.

HEIL HYDRA

no thats not how it works dumbass. god, fuck these threads

General consensus? That's a ridiculous notion that relies on true democracy being a successful system, despite the fact that all attempts at such a system have proven to be failures that lead to the tyranny of the majority. The simple fact is that what the most people agree is right or wrong is not necessarily right or wrong. The fact you believe otherwise is what proves you, not the rest of the people here, are the one who fails to grasp critical thinking.

Bad things completed for minimal profit

Actions of an immoral nature completed under contract whilst the price for said actions was extremely low.

I don't see how Big Boss or Funny Valentine are villains?
Big Boss fought against Globalists, and Funny Valentine against terrorists. They were heroes.

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Funny was trying to make his country the best at the cost of making every other country in the world a miserable shitpile.
Hes good if youre from the united states, and utterly evil for everybody else.

They retconned that Big Boss away for all the fags who lathe onto him in MGS3 and later.


I'msure you non-ironically praise Castro too.

the popular trend of retcons and remakes makes it hard to talk about series spanning villains sometimes, and don't be mean about Castro, Trudeau still needs time to mourn his dad.

If you actually read anything I posted, you'd know I did say that there was an objective standard. The difference is that you believe people decide it, while democracy proves that is clearly wrong. Objective morality can only exist coming from God or, in a fictional setting, another higher power. Majority rule is the so-called "might makes right" logic.

Tasteless and/or indefensible or unsolicited actions bought and paid for at a rate significantly lower than the widely accepted standard, a rate comparable to infertile soil rather than legal tender

It wouldn't be a problem if America annexed the world.

Except then you'd have a bunch of niggers, jews, and spics asking why they aren't getting gubmint benefits now that they're actual citizens.

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Maybe I'm being too generous with these writers, but I thought he was just using good arguments and ideals as a means to recruit people, after which he'd use them to his own ends under the pretense of having them fight for the ideals he proclaims to hold. Or is he an actual bona fide nationalist, and not just an 'any means to my personal gain' supervillian? I'm not big into comics, so all I know of the character is this page.

It's not about good or bad people, it's a kind of game theory/matter of practicality. If you fuck with people (in whatever way they percieve to be fucking with them, which you may or may not accept as a valid grievance), they'll try to fuck you back/stop you from fucking with them if they get the chance. That goes for the rebels in star wars, and for the syrian rebels, too; it doesn't mean they're good or bad, it just explains the way they're behaving. Whether you think the empire or rebels are in the right, the model that user was talking about can explain why people rebel in the first place. If you don't want to have to deal with rebellions, you have to avoid creating the conditions that cause whoever your subjects are to rebel. If you're confident you can crush any rebellion easily, then you obviously don't have to give a shit.

what if the real villains were the friends we made along the way

twewy had that

You can imagine that the Japanese put in America's internment camps probably wouldn't have fared too well if the US was as starved for resources as late-war Germany was.

If you can't even adequately feed, clothe, and fuel your army, prisoners are pretty far down the priority list from there.

The left has gone so far that even the people that fought the Nazis are dubbed Nazis. Their views are probably more "extreme" than this cartoon villain they came up with.

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