I'm a National Populist. I think that Adolph Hitler was on the Reich track...

lmao even with the help of cops he still got rekt hard

ISHYGDDT

Living standards fell under Hitler, he like all fascist was an opportunist who sold out.

Prove it.

This is an analysis of Hitlers Nazi Germany by an economic historian. pseudoerasmus.com/2015/05/06/fascists-part-2/

And living standards fell for workers because they could not strike or bargain, they were the behest of the State. Fascism was opportunistic as fuck. There is no coherent fascist ideology.

Also PDF related.

"Compared to the United States, and after allowances were made for the difference in the cost of living and in social services, wages in Germany had always been low. Under the Nazis they were slightly lower than before. According to the Reich Statistical Office, they declined for skilled workers from 20.4 cents an hour in 1932, at the height of the depression, to 19.5 cents during the middle of
1936. Wage scales for unskilled labor fell from 16.1 cents to 13 cents an hour. At the party congress in Nuremberg in 1936 Dr. Ley stated that the average earnings of full-time workers in the Labor Front amounted to $6.95 a week. The
Reich Statistical Office put the figure for all German workers at $6.29."

"Finally, the take-home pay of the German worker shrank. Besides stiff income taxes, compulsory contributions to sickness, unemployment and disability insurance, and Labor Front dues, the manual worker – like everyone else in Nazi Germany – was constantly pressured to make increasingly large gifts to an assortment of Nazi charities, the chief of which was Winterhilfe (Winter Relief). Many a workman lost his job because he failed to contribute to Winterhilfe or because his contribution was deemed too small. Such failure was termed by one labor court, which upheld the dismissal of an employee without notice, ”conduct hostile to the community of the people . . . to be most strongly condemned.”
In the mid-Thirties it was estimated that taxes and contributions took from 15 to 35 per cent of a worker’s gross wage. Such a cut out of $6.95 a week did not leave a great deal for rent and food and clothing and recreation."

Source: The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, William Shirer, 1960

Indeed. It was only the magic of a good ol' Ponzi scheme.
You could argue idological reasons are behind this, given the loans had to be paid with wealth looted from the rest of Europe, that marrying well with muh lebensraum. But in this case, the success of the model carry in itself the seed of its downfall Like all capitalisms

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Well, ok then. I guess he was right about the banks so I'll admit that much.

I'm more interested in why the pig bankers bankrolled the revolution in Russia.

Is that the real reason why it failed? It was subverted from the beginning by porky pig bankster extraordinaire?

There was one banker who helped fund Lenin from Sweden and he ran a bank for cooperatives. Also Marx said the petit-bourgeois would be instrumental in the revolution since you can't write theory while being slammed at a wage slave factory job. Every leftist revolution has had some sort of rich backers, rich people are not mechanic and can act in disparate ways. Engels owned a factory. Robbiespiere was very close with the Masons which included a lot of elites.

Do you really believe such a person could exist?
Sorry, wasn't trying to seem "accusatory" - I'll use an example
So, take support for the Nazi Party in 1920s/30s Germany - if this party had tried to come to power prior to WW1 and the economic crisis in Germany afterwards, this would not have been anywhere near as likely. It took environmental conditions to push people into actions and beliefs that led to the rise of the third reich.
Now, apply this logic to things such as crime rates in the U.S, a lot of which is committed by ethnic minorities - could you not apply this same logic here? People who come from less economically advantaged positions are more likely to break the rules to get by, which feeds into anti-social behaviour such as assault, rape, murder, etc.
I'm not advocating the result - I'm a commie, obviously I don't support the Nazi party either - but I recognise the material conditions that lead to actions.
In my experience, fascists argue that behaviour like the crimes committed by ethnic minorities in the U.S are a genetic predisposition rather than a result of the environment.
I was wonder what your thoughts are on this.
Please note that I'm not arguing that individuals are rationalising extreme behaviour to themselves like "whitey fucked me so imma fuck them", but rather its a general snowball effect - what starts as something like shoplifting gets worse and worse, especially as you start to see others doing it - a feedback loop if you will.

ihr.org/other/economyhitler2011.html

"Wages increased by 10.9% in real terms during this period."
Lee, Stephen (1996). Weimar and Nazi Germany. Oxford: Heinemann.

I think the main reason Germany did so well economically was because it wasn't divisive regarding class in nature like social Marxism and it's ilk. This quote describes it perfectly; "We don't say to the rich 'Give to the poor', we say 'German people, help each other'. Rich or poor, each one must help thinking, there's someone even poorer than I am, and I want to help them as a fellow countryman."

ISHYGDDT

Gee, I wonder what interest the 🍀🍀🍀international clique🍀🍀🍀 would have in bankrolling the most divisive ideologies in human history.

At that point it gets into the nature vs nurture debate. I believe that the greater part of a personality is the result of nurture, but the section resulting from nature can't naturally be overcome. The whole argument of "They only dindu because they're poor" falls apart when you realize that even low-class whites have a higher average Autism Level than middle and high class blacks. Hell, the average Autism Level of black Americans is on par with the average in sub-Saharan nations, and is even worse in some instances.

I Q
The filters on this board are crazy.

Its because you fell for Holla Forums memes

That can happen tough. Blacks are not immune to spooks.

10.9% is nothing to write home about, considering working hours increased and working conditions were worse. Also if you think I'm going to take anything from IHR at face value, you must be insane.

No shit, Hitler capitualted to big business interest like I pointed out in which you addressed with one quote. Also kek, Germany was no miracle. Hitler built his economy up on debt and most economists agree if they had not lost the war Germany was headed for major economic problems. The rabid imperialism of Germany was no coincidence, the state controlling credit (which was privately owned btw, Hitler privatized the banks) and directing it towards munitions was how the Germany economy sustained itself under him.

For sure, I wasn't saying it wasn't a factor at all.

Sorry to triple post, but I think the most significant issue there is culture, and how the left incessantly infantalizes it in exchange for votes.

The Wiemar Republic was already on a less significant road to recovery when Hitler took power, so +10.9 from an already recovering economy in a few years is a fucking miracle. Especially when you consider Axis Germany's 100% employment rate, and the investments in automobiles, infrastructure and other aspects of the consumer economy.

What year is it

Poverty is a gross oversimplification and only a part of the general material conditions.
Family status, population density, access to education, nutrition, pollution, and i even suspect ideology come into play.

I never said it was still working, but it worked for a long fucking time. I believe it was Lyndon B. Johnson who said "I'll have those niggers voting Democratic for 200 years".

Blacks in the west have every opportunity in the world to have economic mobility, higher education, and general self-improvement. In fact, it could be said that they have even more opportunity than whites themselves. Is it just a coincidence that such a massive majority squander those opportunities?

As a leftist we need to deal with the reality of Autism Level. If we don't we'll keep losing.

100% employment was superficial, see . Along with the wage raise I might add.

Hey Holla Forums.

Stop. Hitler did the equivalent of taking out 5 credit cards, and maxing them out, and when the bills were due, go into another country and take their gold to pay for them, and repeat.

Look I'm leftwing as hell. I understand that ideology is more important than reality sometimes. That being said some facts are too important to ignore. I know leftism is about more than facts, but sometimes facts matter.

I agree that national debt should be owned by national sources (Or at the very least owned by nationals and to a lesser extent close, trusted allies), which is part of why Hitler isn't my top pick. But I'm not one to go so far as to rule out the concept of debt spending altogether, especially in a depression/recovery period.

What is development in childhood? Do you think kids have a big control over their life? Do you think what you lived during the time your body and brain matured don't have an influence on the adult you'll end up being?

Do you think that height is heritable? No matter how good your nutrition is there are limits to how tall or short you will be. Environment matters, but the environment of the last 100,000 years might matter more than the environment of the last 10 years.

That's what I mean when I say that nurture and culture are the majority of the problem. Poverty isn't hereditary because they don't have opportunity, it's hereditary because they're trained and raised by dumbass parents and communities of other dumbasses to be just like all of them, a process which is enabled and reinforced by perennial Democrat gibmedats. On the other hand, I had a pretty shitty childhood and was born with minor brain problems, and I turned out fine largely by my own efforts. I'm in college and have my own suite and everything, shit's tight.

For a long time it's been a positive feedback loop, imo. The human condition improves, leading to heightened nutrition, enabling taller builds as an adaptation, contributing to improvements in the human condition. Apparently people have been getting shorter lately because they've been eating crap and living shitty lifestyles, tho.

Heritability does exist, but it isn't the biggest deal. Equality is an important social construct to help our ideology grow, but there are limits.

What the fuck does that have to do with height?

Height is like intelligence. It is heritable to an extent. There are nutritional elements too it. There are inconvenient patterns. It's excellent for leftism, but we'll overcome it.

Just a reminder that heritable =/= heritability
debunkingdenialism.com/2012/08/11/the-widespread-abuse-of-heritabilit

And as a bonus, the current understanding of phenotypical variation between races.

FTFY

We're better than this comrade.

Using height as a metaphor for mental genetics is really reaching, imo. Not that I entirely disagree with you, but you'll have to do better than that.

It is a simulacrum that isn't as emotionally evocative. It is similar to intelligence in that it is a certain extent heritable. There are also disparities that exist that mirror disparities in intelligence. The difference is people don't get offended when you say Asians are shorter than Europeans.

I suppose as a layman approach it's relatively effective. But you should know that I'm not exactly a layman, here.

It's a useful way to discus that. If I broached the subject too far I would get banned. Leftism is about transcending reality, so it can't be politically incorrect. It kind of sucks having a very rigid discourse on Holla Forums but that's the price we pay for having a safe space for our ideas.

Perhaps it sounds rich coming from me, but I disagree with the idea that ideology should be more important than reality. Unfortunately, it seems to be a common sentiment around here.

Well fundamentally reality is a problem when we look at the success of leftism historically. Leftist policies encounter certain limits in contact with reality. A fascist response to that would simply yield to cold reality. A leftist knows that reality can be a spook.

So your response is to ignore reality? Do you all realize how insane that sounds?

The right wing builds policy around human nature. The left wing builds human nature around policy. It may seem insane, but do we really want to give in to nature?

Yes. I would think that to be basic logic unless you want to get trapped in some kind of transhumanist and/or dystopian hell.

I think your getting it now.

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racialreality.blogspot.com.au/2011/11/african-iq-and-the-flynn-effect.html?m=1

Or maybe, just maybe, Nazi Germany did "so well" economically not because of what your idealist guesswork implies but because its "prosperity" relied entirely upon ever-increasing, plunder and slave labor-fueled military expenditures of which the only end goal inevitably was either financial ruin or a war that would end up burning Europe to the ground.

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Friendly reminder that the Third Reich didn't directly engage in war until 1939. For 6 years after the Weimar ended, their economy bounced back incredibly well.

I suppose I do have a question. What's the leftist game plan at this point? Does it differ from the Democratic game plan specifically? If so, how?