Greetings, gentlemen. This thread is dedicated to discussion of all things capital - economy, creativity, wealth, and industrial progress.
Capitalism is the belief that the market is most efficient when left alone, in its natural state. Capitalists believe in low, if any, taxes, in little to no government interference in the markets and in fair competition, where all employers, employees, suppliers, and buyers are bound together in consensual contracts, rather than the shackles of government. Depends on who you ask, because capitalism is common among vastly different ideologies. Fascists use it as a tool for the survival of the fittest, yet denounce "non-beneficial" ways of acquiring wealth, like market manipulation or usury. Conservatives use it to distribute wealth to productive members of the society and to promote their ideal of nuclear family. Classical liberals use it to spread ideas as well as goods freely among all who wish to receive them. Minarchists use it to completely rule their life, with minimal government oversight on their lives. And Ancaps use it to determine the only thing that matters in a post-lawful society - who gets to fill the power vacuum, and who keeps them in check.
you really want to open up with the wealth of nations, even though Marx completely BTFO out of it and debunked the Labor Theory of Value? why do capitalists refuse to be scientific.
Easton Robinson
No. That is not an argument.
Jaxon Miller
Value is not the same thing as price, because while value is determined by an individual regardless of the market, price is heavily dependent on the market and it would take a lot of loyalty for a hired gun to keep customers at above-average prices.
Hunter Rodriguez
sage
Jack Allen
sounds like Adam Smith was wrong. No suprise such a crackpot economist would go on to form the religious cult of Mormonism.
Jordan Garcia
How come that every single socioeconomic system insofar has been driven down by its internal antinomies, yet somehow capitalists/ancaps/randists/conservative liberals believe that capitalism is going to last forever, as if it wasn't the same thing as say feudalism or slave society?
Jackson Hughes
How does it feel knowing that even if the entire board (like 5 people) goes and sages my post, you won't create enough of your own to push me off the board? Really seizes my means of production.
Hudson Hill
NOT
AN
ARGUMENT
John Rodriguez
He killed commies, only thing that matters. Oh, and Chile is still more prosperous than any other nation in SA.
Jayden Cooper
What the hell are you doing with your last-before-Christmas day, ancap? Posting shit in a manner of "go read some Böhm-Bawerk, acknowledge the critique of Marxism, you commie shit xD", even though Austrian critique has been debunked 100 times in 10000 ways by 1000000 ideologies of the left from mutualism to authoritarian socialism is not going to convince any honest leftist to change his views and become a Rothbard fapper. Seize the means.
James Barnes
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Evan Morris
Not an argument, lad.
Tyler Gomez
Porky is a kike, we'll get him on the day of the oven.
Carter Lewis
How do you propose keeping capitalism without porkies
Jackson Wilson
im from chile, fuck off, end that stupid meme, maybe we are the most succesful country in south america, but you have to keep in mind that every other country in south america had dictators too.
now, cuba is a bebtter place to live , in fact im moving to cuba once i finish my career, they have way better education, health system, and nutrition.
Mason Cooper
day of the oven what's your reading comprehension, chap?
Hunter Hughes
yeah, better bring a raft made of plastic bottles so you have a ride to Florida handy
Robert Jones
not an argument, retard. why do you think so many latins go to the USA?
Jonathan Phillips
because they are tired of socialist shitholes?
Ethan Cruz
are you saying mexico is socialist?
you libertarians truly are moronic
Jaxon Bell
w h e r e i s t h e w o r k e r s o w n i n g t h e m e a n s o f p r o d u c t i o n
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Logan Bennett
Mexico is poor and full of drug cartels. I meant Caribbeans and Cubans.
Xavier Ortiz
Porky does not equal DA JOOS illiterate scum
How does it feel to be thoroughly spooked lad
John Carter
They are free to do so in their own workers' associations, if they feel that is more effective than being part of a company.
David Russell
not an argument my ideologically impaired friend
Ayden Bailey
because of capitalism.
compared to any other latin american country, cuba is the best one.
now, cuba have better healthcare, education and less infant mortality than the US and canada, so go suck a dick classcuck.
Austin Diaz
No, because of government enacting policies and then failing to enforce them. They shat in their bed, now they'll have to sleep in it. Cuba's biggest export are people, and it will stay that way until some kind capitalist country will come over and help them get back on their feet.
Jordan Gonzalez
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Zachary Miller
do you really even care to read first?
now look at cuba: before the revolution, they were a criminal shithole, now they have less criminality than any other country in the region.
Isaiah Stewart
Ah, didn't see which post you replied to. We TRUE CAPITALISTS view Keynesian and Social Democrat states as commies. So yeah, unless it's laissez-faire, miss me with that.
Parker Miller
Not an argument against putting Jews in an oven? Your 'ideology' is retarded and you've comically missed the point about what causes the issues in our world undialectical moron. Christ ancaps astound me every time I think any ancappies should be ovened. By the way how does it feel having an ideology that is a literal oxymoron. Anarchy is an absence of all class and hierarchy and capitalism is the presence of class and hierarchy. In ancapistan this will be the case because you will still need bosses and owners to make profit which will breed class antagonisms. How will you make a society where citizens are allowed to do what they want with no exceptions but to also respect private property rights and follow the commands of their employees?
Luke Torres
sources: wikipedia
Sebastian Brown
Capitalism does not require classes, and ancapism allows workers to control their business as a syndicate, splitting the profits however the fuck they wish. And every man is his own boss on his private property.
Benjamin Turner
Shit happens when you give cops the permission to do whatever they want. Now, if you legalised those drugs and instead demonised them and their use, it would be a different story.
Henry Anderson
Yes, but we are elitists and refuse to associate with those who don't play by our rules.
Brody Johnson
yes it does, it's the fucking definition.
my god you libertarians seriously are fucked up, if i wanted to decreace criminality levels on my country i would do whatever fidel castro did, as it has shown to be effective.
Nathan Adams
I'll ask again. If everyone is their own individual and private property how do you expect workers to respect arbitrary private property (means of production) rights. Basically if I'm a worker in ancapistan why should I listen to what my cunt boss wants me to do if I'm my own individual yadda yadda…
Yes there will be classes in ancapistan dumbass because there will be bosses and owners who will extract profit from labour without even governmental regulation for wages and workers rights. How could there NOT be classes genius? There is already enormous wealth inequality in countries that have mixed economies how will that be addressed in ancapistan? Oh wait it's literally impossible idealism.
Parker Scott
No, capitalism does not require classes. As long as people own business and are not regulated by the state, there is capitalism.
Yeah, and you'll get Bay of Pigs'd by someone competent enough to take over a country without fucking up.
Camden Brown
READ FUCKINH HISTORY RETARD
Nolan Fisher
If your boss has a contract with you and you don't fulfill your part, he can lay you off on the spot. Almost like in real life, right?
There do not have to be owners or bosses, because the workers can start their own syndicates, and if they are so efficient like you claim, then traditional businesses will fall apart, and you can enjoy your "communist" utopia as long as everyone does their part.
Chase Price
It really sounds like you aren't an ancap if you want syndicalised industry dude. Not that I'm complaining but you should consider changing your flag. It sounds like you are an Anarcho-syndicalist or a mutualist. those tendencies are pretty based imo so it seems like we were arguing over nothing.
Alexander Rivera
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Nicholas Walker
I don't necessarily want it, but it is a possibility. Capitalism is all about choice.
I know the Americans lost. I also know that it is perfectly achievable to overthrow a dictator who has no love from his people, by military or other means. Read fucking Machiavelli, retard.
Samuel Smith
N O T A N A R G U M E N T
Jacob Thompson
Unfortunately capitalism is about the illusion of choice. The choice lies with the ability for the rights of a few profit earners to exploit (take surplus value as profit) thousands or starve. The choice is like a metaphorical gun to your head, you can choose not to have your labor stolen or get fucked. Capitalism is not true freedom, some being rich and most being poor is not a free world with many options it's an illusion to keep people as useful idiots. if you are ok with syndicalised and cooperative industry existing alongside normal hierarchical industry why not just do away with the hierarchical one. Isn't the rights and freedoms of many workers voting and deciding their own destiny outweigh the 'right' for a few capitalists to steal the labour of many?. Isn't a world where a worker can keep the sweat of their brow in its entirety and can vote and choose their own destiny in an office better than one where most are wagecucks? As an anarchist how can you support business hierarchy which is antagonistic to your own ideology? Why not just become an anarcho-syndicalist which isn't ideologically opposed to itself?
Jaxon White
"Capitalism" is not a real thing. It's a word invented by social critics.
When did this happen?
Brody Mitchell
Nice to see ancaps aren't even pretending to not be fash any more.
