Games with no reason to use any weapon but the starter weapon?

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The M16A3 in Battlefield 3 was rather notorious for this.

It's the most customizable rifle for sure, but there's better rifles when it comes to stopping power, accuracy, or rate of fire, and I might be wrong about this but I don't think it can be customized with a grip, which is one of the most useful mods.

Half Life 2 has plenty of great weapons you don't get at the start, what are you talking about?

All of the guns you can get early on in GTA4 have better versions of them you can't easily get until much later.

While the pistol in Human Revolution is very good with mods, it's mediocre without them and there's plenty of great weapons you get afterwards, and it's far less effective in straight up fights than it is in stealth.

Have fun doing that one shoot out with Quiet near the end of the game with the million tanks, APCs and missile launchers without some kind of explosive weapon.

Also, the first tranq sniper you get is a bolt action gun that I'm pretty sure you can never silence, making it inferior to later rifles.

Also, smoke grenades, sleep grenades, EMP mines, all very useful.

Dead Space.
All you need is your suit, gun, and stomps.

I don't think anyone in this thread, including the OP, understands the thread very well.

Almost every game in this thread has plenty of weapons you don't start with that you have a reason to use.

Either you guys need to come up with better examples, or you need to acknowledge that this is really just a "games with really good starter weapons" thread.

SMG with fire upgrade is better. More damage, ridiculous crowd control, and if you're playing coop and one of the burning enemies bumps into your friend, he's on fire too.

Left 4 Dead series.

Everything else is so powerful that it was banned from versus. The sole exception was the hunting rifle which was limited to one per team, but it was so powerful that it was swapped out in favor of the Scout. Which was eventually also deemed over powered.

Point is the game is easy and you should feel bad for playing it seriously with anything but a T1 gun and a single pistol.

No no, user. In his highly specific version of this thread only games where there are ZERO REASONS WHATSOEVER to use anything other than the starter weapon are acceptable.

If there is any reason at all, variety, aesthetic, anything, it has been deemed unacceptable.

What does the phrase "no reason" mean to you?

Because to me "Zero reasons whatsoever" is 100% synonymous.

Other synonymous phrases include "not a single reason" or "a reason does not exist".

You're the same type of person that calls everyone a scrub until you have to pick up a "good" gun because the guys on the other team are "trying". In short you believe you are always right and your lame attempt at backing up your argument just serves to expose the shitty attitude you live with daily.

Until you want balance because you got steam rolled by a team abusing T2 shotguns and hiding in a corner. Do you call it variety then or do you rattle off a bunch of excuses for why you ran head first into a situation that was unfavorable? I may bitch about them jokingly but I can kill that team the same as any other given a little back-up. I can even do it solo if the situation turns in my favor. I doubt you can.

Hipster made up bullshit. Always ways and always will be a word used by beatniks, hippies, hipsters, and other forms of trash. Those that claim to appreciate all things in the world but simply want to be seen as unique or different from their peers. It's worse than stooping to normal faggotry. You are not only not yourself, you're pretending to be something you're not. At least normalfags tend to only have a PC filter so ingrained that they can't turn it off. You have chosen the path of the weak man that claims he wants to see God but really just wants to get high in a field and not work. To hell with you an aesthetics, and art, and faggots that pretend to be enlightened by art. Art is an activity not something you just look at.

So you are always right, eh user?

Holla Forums is not one person but even if it was it could make up its own mind about what is acceptable. You ARE one person, a failure of one. I suggest Seppuku, it's the only way to redeem what little honor you had before you pissed it away in your quest to fit in.

you sound like you're just trying to come up with a reason to bitch

It can be silenced through the gun customization.

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this, especially when an infinite stasis button sequence code is built into the game.

go back to reddit, you're not wanted here

you went wrong from the start

Pretty much most of the Mega Man X games fullfill this. The subweapons are so shit they're worthless to use.

I want to say RE4 just because I love the Handgun so much

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Do MP games count? In Nu-battlefront the A280c is basically non-replaceable.

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Way of the Samurai if you have the DLC

Yes, the SMG and the SMG are pretty great and the only things you can reliably use.

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you are retarded

Blood money

dead space

Daggerfall

The ebony dagger is serviceable from beginning to end, and if you don't pick it, unarmed does the job well regardless

No, you misunderstand what that user is trying to convey. If it truly was no reason not to use it, there would be no better weapon in the game. If there is a weapon that is an upgrade to the starter one, then there is a reason to not use the starter; there is an upgrade.
I'm going to give the first real example and say E.Y.E. The sword you start with is the most fun and powerful melee weapon in the game. The shotgun too, and the submachine gun to an extent as well.

Erm, what?

smh tbh fam
You can and it's pretty good. And besides, most of the snipers are bolt action anway, so that point is kind of moot.

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Sure.
For cheesy n00bs only.

Mega Man 5 too.

Daikatana generally best weapon though, warhammer against undead and for durability. Magic is even more ridiculous.

Someone didn't play on legendary.
Best weapon is the plasma pistol.

The M6D is still by far the best gun to use in CE overall though: The plasma pistol is only one half of the equation for that particular weapon combo, and the Magnum has far more utility beyond the plasma pistol does.

The Halo series in general has pretty consistently terrible weapon balance. There's almost always 1 or 2 precision weapons that are always the best guns to use outside of power weapomns and are extremely useful at all ranges, and then 3, ODST and 4 on top of that also have a bunch of clone weapons that do the exact same shit with slight difference and reksinned for different factions

Ironically enough, 5 is the only title in the series to have actually decent weapon balance, 343 seems to have actually done a pretty good job in general for that game's core mechanics and MP. Maybe 6 will actually be good instead of just the MP like in 5.

Pistol does not kill shields. It does not reliably stagger jackals. It does jack shit against floodforms. It's terrible against sentinels.
Its only use is dispatching grunts.

The PP is accurate, can kill in relatively few shots on an unprotected head, and far more valuably, kills shields dead. It also kills flood. It annihilates sentinels.

Again, you clearly never played legendary.

Yes, but a good daikatana takes some levels to drop, are rare with a low Luck score and by that time, your one-handed skill is high enough to make up for this and you also can have a shield. Agreed on magic still, with how the spell creation works

I did play legendary (it, Reach, 3, and 4 are the only games in the series i've beaten legendary on) but I'll concede that you clearly know more about legendary CE then I do.

CE actually has my least favorite campaign in the series, it's a tad too tedious for me to enjoy for more then 3-4 missions at a time, and I started the franchise with 2, so it's Halo game I know the least about. Also, as a lorefag, it has a lot less subtext for me to dig into since the story is so comparatively minimalist

I still stand by my general statement though: In most contexts, the magnum is the most useful gun in the game and the series in general has weapon balance issues

Never bothered with Reach. Too boring, for me. Story was shit, scenery was shit, immortal companions every mission was shit, and I didn't much care for the loss of the flood. Personally always loved that aspect of halo, where you can fight two enemies at once, who are also fighting eachother. Makes a rather interesting dynamic, and gives a load of options for strategy.
Maybe I ought to give it another shot, but it just felt like such a damn grind.

In most context, if you're talking multiplayer or lower difficulties, by all means.
But playing on legendary quickly brings the PP to the top. Only gun capable of reliably killing any target.
Hell, personally, I always prefered the PP for multiplayer, too. Highest RoF, if you're good with it, and does decent enough damage. Magnum is generally better, thanks to the range, but any time where that's not a concern I'll go with the PP. Or the needler. I love the needler. Not the best gun, but I love it.

I think it's sort of funny you say that when we are also talking about CE when CE's campaign has so much reused content and repetitive and tedious design in general. It's like the arbiter missions in 2, but as an entire game. Also, for what it's worth, Reach is the only other game in the series besides CE and 5 (sort of) where the PP is actually somewhat usable on it's own, though not nearly to the extent of CE.

The needler is really cool, I enjoy how genuinely esoteric and alien it feels, rather then just "Gun, but shoots plasma" like most other covenant weapons. In the novels its fucking terrifying as well since single shards do getting shot by an arrow level damage on their own, and then when they blow up individually, even a single one can blow chunks of flesh off and break bones or even blow limbs off or kill you if it hits you in the neck or stomach or on your wrist/shoulder/ankle.

It was always mixed up enough for me. The areas were dull, but the dynamic with the flood provided enough entertainment. Plus, with the exception of the Control Room mission, they were different enough that I had fun with it.
Especially the Autumn itself. That was my very favorite mission.

I quite liked the arbiter missions outside the flood bits. Active camo made things rather interesting, and having to use primarily covanent weapons changed up things pretty smoothly. Downside was, the floodbits were massive shits. Same for chief's stuff, though. Didn;t have the same impact they had in CE. Had the same issue, to be fair, with 3.

Was it ever explained how the needler worked? I always had my own little fan theory, but I've never seen anything really clarifying it.

In universe it's still pretty much a complete mystery to people, with Halsey (creator of the SPARTAN 2 program) noting that there's "No electrica, chemical, physical, or otherwise radioalogical connections between any of it's components".

We do know more about the crystal material specifically though: They are mined from Suban, which is one of the moons of the elite's home planet: www.halopedia.org/Blamite , but not really in any regards to how the weapon functions or how the esplosive properties work. Just going by what we see in game though there's clearly some sort of gas or plasma or other energy inside the crystals that react with each other once enough needles embed themselves in something, which causes the explosion.

You need to grind an unreasonable amount of resources to use anything good, and in the end they also need an unreasonable amount of resources to even use

Neat.

I always had the little fan theory that the shards of the needler were, effectively, crystal-based parasites that, in their original environment, would normally explode more or less whenever prey walked by, with the intent to get embedded, much in the same way burrs and the like work here. Except explody rocks that can change their aerodynamic qualities mid flight.
Covenant basically took this, made some minor alterations, such as [somehow] distinguishing between friend and foe, as well as exploding after penetration in a living target instead of before.

But I've got absolutely nothing to back this up. Well, beyond the magazines we see in CE being solid rocks.

Too bad all of them look like shit

It's only tier 5, what are you talking about? Just by playing the game normally, you'll get it.

You should play on expert one day.

was that you? because the plasma pistol is completely useless on its own. you need it to remove shields from elites. then pop them 1 shot in the head with the pistol.

the pistol on its own is 3 hits for an elite, and 1 hit per grunt. 2 hit per shield (opening in arm, then head)

Or, you can use it to remove their shields, then pop them with a few bolts of superheated plasma from the weapon that's got the highest RoF in the game, without having to switch weapons, or use a second weapon slot.

Not on legendary, it don't.

Show your DD waifu.

Ok, my dude.

Pretty much most of the Halo games.

user, you gotta upgrade that waifu to S++

Ninja gaiden(xbox) and metal gear rising, I think they pretty much assume you're doing that anyway.

Resident Evil 4? I think the stock weapon ungraded is the best isn't it?

They're extremely rare and not to mention getting one that looks good too. I'll try later or something.

Can't get s++ waifus in the wild. I think the highestis S or S+, whatever flaming buffalo is. You need to install S++ mod from the nexus and you can find S++ girls. Best part is since there were no made S++ girls, most of them stay S++ since they were made through this glitch. Infinite heaven helps too to keep doing the prisoner mission with women over and over again.

Mind giving me a link to this "S++" mod?

nexusmods.com/metalgearsolidvtpp/mods/236/?
Keep in mind it doesnt play very well with infinite heavens wildcard feature. But it wont fuck up anything or crash all that much, just once in a blue moon if someone happens. Course its best for just farming waifus, unless theres a specific high lvl weapon you want to develop too.

I'll have a look at them, thanks fam.

Maybe this is why Perfect Dark is one of my favorite game.
The Desert Eagle in Max Payne is god tier aswell as the Falcon 2 in Syphon Filter.

bloodborne axe

Yes, those are both the ones of which I’m speaking.

Damn, nigger, you found a good one. Wish there were long hair options, though.

I’ve never gotten it to work, ever. I’ve been forced to use Anyone’s Mod to get S++ to show up, but they’re only “scaled”, so they show up next to zero percent of the time. Which really brings me down, since S++ is the only thing I can afford to extract anymore. How do you get that one to work with the newest software?

Anyone else’s Infinite Heaven broken since switching to Snakebite 0.8.4? I want cuties put back into the field.

I'm not sure if HL2 crowbar only run is possible. Sure, it is possible to use mainly that and maybe gravity gun and possibly some others where needed.

However, you can beat original HL with crowbar only.

The point of giving you the best gun in the game is because you're not supposed to play MGS with guns anyway you cuck

The default pistol in FEAR feels so good I wish I could do the whole game with it.

I did a 1HP run with no heals/hev and it is also possible.

Spin to win

Is this pasta, or did user blow a gasket and go full armchair psych schizo rambling?

you must get all the b& traps at your school dances