The english translations of "Der Einzige und sein Eigentum" are awful...

rare, indeed

it is in my self-interest not to be exploited by proky

thats it

thats all you need

fuck you marx and your german ideology text

Thank you for this golden opportunity.

You do realize that Marx's critique of capitalism and class largely rests on the conflict between classes inherent in those systems, right? Put another way, self-interest of different classes are pitted against each other and when this fact becomes clear that revolution happens.

I'm convinced that most meme-spouting "stirnerites" have never read Stirner.

The term "stirnerite" itself probably makes Stirner spin in his grave.

nice spooks, faggot

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faggot

no, you faggot… you faggot!

faggot!

and the point is?

thats right, you don't have any other "points" because you are a faggot butthurt that you couldn't understand the ego and it's own

I don't know who's a faggot any more tbh but all this talk of faggots has made me hungry for some dick.

stirner is important because he has been effectively integrated with leftism in many different ways
there is a relevance to him whether you like it or not.

nom nom

Stirmer is inportant becuas he is the only book I half read, so you sould learn to respect Stirmer, fagot.

Thank you.

Is there a Neitzsche edit of this with "You can't just call everything I don't like my resentment?"

Don't wait around for someone to make memes for you. Make memes for yourself. Seize the memes of production.

top kek, spooks gonna spook

Maybe the point is not to arrogantly/ignorantly throw out theory just because you think it's spooky faggot

JOKES ON YOU I HAVENT EVEN RED STIRNR

surely you meant to quote this faggot then

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There's a special place in the gulag for people like you.

i wonder who is behind this post

Yeah, I've noticed similar things, not German, but next to the Dutch translation the english one can be easily misinterpreted.

you mean that book Marx was so embarrassed about he never dared publish it in his lifetime?

Reminder that posters complaining about Stirner posting are just mad because their spooks are irrelevant

Stirner posters haven't read Stirner and Stirner haters haven't read Stirner. It's truly a great board.

Your skeptical philosophy is just a meme, your daddy is 2D only as he was too worthless to bother wasting a photograph on. You're in the world's gayest cult and you all need to Jonestown.

You have to use other materials to understand it fully, I think.
That's what I had to do. Also read "Stirner's Critics".

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I'm memeing your worldview out of existence and all you can do is cry about it.

As a Stirnefag, i found that macro flattering.

You would.

Firing up my SJW twitter sock puppets now, you fucking racists.

haha jk, no one cares about your literally who meme daddy

Just kill youself

Aw, did I get you right in your precious little creative nothing? There's plenty more where that came from, stay mad spookfaggots.

Wow Stirner was a total qt3.14

Damn, imagine being this much of a triggered cuck

Ill post extra stirner memes from now on

kek, saved

Boys I think I'm onto something. Autism-Leninism will win!

Hahahaha stay triggered cuck, your spook aint real!

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Lmao, like fucking clockwork

I dont give a shit about liberals

Even liberals are better than people who literally formed an ideology based on a cartoon they saw on the internet.

Of course a liberal like you would side with other liberals

Says the crypto-ancap with a glue addiction.

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He was writing Das Kapital at the time which was worth his time much more, and he also didn't manage to publish more than the first volume before his death (Engels published the second and third volumes, the rest was published by others over time).

You faggots sure are salty for people who jerk yourselves off continuously for being free of false idols.

Stirner's just a warmup, I'm coming for Marx next. :^)

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considering your only critque is "stirner is bad because my feelings get hurt" I bet your critique of marx is going to be along the lines of "human nature" hahaha

confirmed for being illiterate

infoshop.org/AnarchistFAQSectionG6

During the time after german idealogy marx was developing on materialism (Thats why german idealogy is considerd to be the begin of adult Marx compared to young idealistic Marx), only after the end of the Communist League was he making parts of das kapital you dumb fuck wannabe marxist faggot.

Give us a quick synopsis. We'll all be waiting, you mystical fruitcake.

try reading the text given to you before continuing kid

Why would I believe in the "reading gives you wisdom" or "great men have great ideas it's a tradition" spooks? Why would I read some shit just because some utter cuck has gotten a nerve touched about something? Don't see how your book spooks are in my self-interest.

So your ideology is both non-sensical mysticism and self-refuting. Pretty impressively retarded there, user.

top kek, and marxists have the audacity of claiming anyone but themselves read and have theory

keep digging your hole deeper

Both of these fags ripped off Hegel who ripped off Kabbalah, and who was an /x/ tier rambling schizo.

Seeing as your ebin smirking head meme man is an unoriginal idiot, I don't think I need to look at your blog explaining why my joke doesn't real.

TOP KEK

lmao, as i'd care about your spooks, Holla Forumsyp, you are an illiterate butthurt faggot

Stay salty about your shitty meme dying. Honestly, I could do this forever. But unlike you, I'm actually a worker, not just a state dependent who weasled their way into a political movement due to being bored and desperately needing attention. ^_^

Read Hegel and give me a run down on it, oh and we're still waiting for your explanation of "creative nothing" that isn't just a goofy word salad poem.

See you next thread, ghostfags.

Not even that guy, but you are transparently assmad.

Butthurt Hegelian detected.

Lurk more you "not even that guy" NEET socialparasite, Zizekposting faggot.

Hahahaha.

Not leftist in any way and certainly not compatible with communism. Stirner wording makes it very clear he doesn't believe a large scale union is possible.

Stirner was a mistake.

APOLOGIZE!

why even live fam?

lmao

Being brain damaged isn't an ideology, nor is it an argument, user.

Proved ITT:

No rebuttal, and none will be forthcoming. How's that make you feel?

It's a pity your parents didn't realise morality was a spook and send you to work in the acid mines when you were 5, maybe you'd be less of a memespouting pissant.

roflmao

I much rather would preffer if my parents had loved me as property, and not as a kid

You would loved to have been used to produce value for them by being sent to the acid mines?

a father that loves his kid as a kid is in love with the spook, not with the person, with the fellow egoist, which is why you see so many father mistreating their kids when they turn out to be different and independent

Read Der Einzige.

So you're just incapable of rational thought? Color me surprised.

Knew it.

says the butthurt cuck scared of reading texts that might hurt his feelings even more

you claimed to "prove" stuff about egoism yet your cucko ass immediately ran way when provided with a source and why you should read him

you are obviously assmad an unable of coherent tought due to it

as I said, read the ego and it's own and the text given to you if you want to have any meaningful conversation, meanwhile i'll just keep baiting you, my property

3-1 odds says these guys are only doing it 'cause it's there fetish

I'm sorry, but how the fuck did Hegel rip off Kaballah?

Gee user I dunno. It would leave you in peak physical fitness, you'd make lots of new and interesting friends. You'd gain an insight into the workings of the world that few children your age would have. It would be a character building experience, surely a parent who loved their child as a fellow egoist would not want to deny their child that opportunity based on spooky concepts such as the innocence of a child.

fetishes are a spook

read the ego and its own, dumb bear

I'm sorry you never got to work in the acid mines user.

Not the other guy, but define the "creative nothing".

So summarizing your arguments:

In conclusion, mods please ban all Stirner fags, it's either a weak psyop or pandering to insanity, and the ideology is plainly retarded. I rest my case.

Although shitposting aside, is there a version of the book you suggest I read that you feel is more true to the German original than others?

im sorry you are retarded

theanarchistlibrary.org/library/renzo-novatore-toward-the-creative-nothing

it's self explanatory, nothing that was created, no illusions, no fantasies, only reality

it's best sumarized in one of the ego and it's own intial parts
"man takes the world as it is"

so to summarize your posts

in conclusion, you are a faggot

I read them in spanish, i don't know german so i don't know how correct they are

Hahahaha.

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should I even bother having an argument? are you going to read a text about the topic now being discussed, or are you going to ragequit like you did when you called egoists ancaps?

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But I'm lazy

Thank you
I may edit this to say "But that's where you're resentful, kiddo"

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the fucking irony

I skimmed it, it was mystical gobbledygook. No one's under any obligation to read things because you tell them to. I'll read your shit if you read Hegel.

How hard is it to put the fundamental basis of your ideology into your own words?

I've read hegel tho

Lol I literally don't care. I want you to show that Stirner wasn't a mystic, in your own words. "Read a book" is spooked as hell and not an argument.

A spook is a man made concept that man serves, instead of the concept serving man.

lel, keep struggling

wew

Also, that's meaningless as well. Every enduring concept could be said to have some kind of utility. It's just babby's first skepticism, and at it's core, meaningless. See also: this miserable worm evade the question forever.

wew hew

please reply me if you do

My man. Based Renzo

Lol I've read Stirner. I skimmed your supplementary text of mystical babble.

I know, thats why you are retarded

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lel, keep struggling, you still think stirner is an ancap

hrrm…

roflmao

but according to you, the own doesn't exist, the own and his self-interest is a spook right :^)

What I find hilarious is the big tough egotist has no alternative but to pester people into reading their holy books, with no explanation given. You think the world actually owes you a favor? I could go on listing books for you to read all day, what amazes me is how slippery you are, just like any religious apologist really. I have no issue with Stirner himself, just his autist followers. I'd happily read anything recommended to me by someone who's opinion mattered. Yours doesn't and all you can do is clumsily try meme it into mattering, by trying to insinuate that you are an enlightened guru. It's just sad, and merely the height of faggotry, user.

how can anyobody be this fucking stupid

Gee
Wonder who is behind this post?

All one needs to form an opinion is to look at the examples of what his works have wrought on the minds of the vulnerable when transposed into a self-help crutch for junkie lumpens. All the evidence to show you are petrified of the truth, and are uninterested in it, is right here in this very thread. Congrats on brainwashing yourself into becoming a cucked evangelist for your own delusions.

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What are you even rambling about? Truth of what?

Truth in general, wisdom, knowledge. That from which it is possible to make a statement with any confidence about the world, oneself, anything. Stirnerites think they have freed themselves from all accouterments, love every second of it, and are spreading the good news through normie-tier memes. Maybe one day they'll have enough sheep to form their own country, fuck that'll be amazing

and you won't be invited

Keep up the good work, you smug son of a bitch.

I don't remember reading any of that in Stirner, but the way you're rambling about some grand truth, sounds like you're the one about to start a church.

Self-refuting.

Philosophy = love of wisdom, the core idea is that all truths are revisable, it's opposed to dogma. It's basically dissimilar to meme Stirnerism's arrogant autofellating skepticism. Which is different to how I read Stirner as well. If you want to defend him please try have a go at "creative nothing"?

the problem is he has not read stirner kek

Do you need to read Book of Mormon to reject it?

LEL
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plz be a cute boy who will make me hot coco at night and resite Stirner quotes.

Tell me more about Xenu.

I didn't say truth wasn't real. What exactly are you on about?

Bust those spooks all you want egoists but your ego is nothing but an order came about by identifying with a spectral image of the self as in a "mirror"

This egoism thing sounds spooky to me tbh :^}

That eogism in practice has the characteristics of a mystical religion rather than an political philosophy worth ever taking seriously, because fundamentally, that's what it is, if you decide the "creative nothing" is metaphysically real. I saw the book as a troll on ideas of the day, he even says it's not meant to be a cult at the end hahaha.

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I love this psyop.

That was the first time I've commented in this thread.

You are mean.

poor kid thinks his spooks are real

metaphysicis ain't real, so just do what you want

The creative nothing is the continual process of self-dissolutionment one experiences till death. I told you guys this in the last thread. Why is everyone still so illiterate and not read stirner?

Reminder that you started off saging. That's how I knew I had you.

Elaborate. What is self-dissolutionment?

you are talking to like 3-4 people, if you haven't noticed, genius

what did he mean by this?

From a similarly confused thread some weeks ago.

Hahaha wtf

Ringa Dinga Ding Dong *honk honk*

What compels you to keep such horrific things on your hard drive.

You never had me, you never had your self

spook postin' not self-interested like you should. You're lucky that hundred shot of spooks didn't blow the welds on the ego! You almost had me?

Now, me and the mad scientist got to rip apart the conscious being… and replace the true motives you fried.

Ask any egoist. Any real egoist. It don't matter if you spook by an inch or a mile. spooking is spooking

it is a reminder not to fall for the gender spook

I'm gonna guess sociopathy to the point of solipsism.

there is that word again, I don't think you understand what it means

Autistic screeching: the post

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autistic butthurt: the post

yes, i remember reading precisely just that its in the first pages

Fellow leftists, do these people really exist? I'm having a hard time believing it's not an elaborate ruse.

spoopy idealism

Stirnerites: the final spook

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Why is there something rather than nothing, Max?

"I hate you so much leave my delusions alone" - butthurt spooked user 2016

Black flag is a huge sperg, holy shit. Emptying his entire funnies folder ITT.

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For this we should look at the Ego and Its Own, ch.1. "Genesis" (Stirner, 1:1):

1 In the beginning, when I created the universe, 2 my ego was only formless and desolate. 3 Then I commanded, “Let there be me”—and I appeared. 4 My self was pleased with what I saw. Then I separated myself from my property, 5 and I named what was left "spooks." Evening passed and morning came—that was the first day.

10/10

wow, peak idealism user

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Nice

wow user, i honestly can't belive you are this dumb

guess this is what happens when you haven't read the topic you want to discuss

fam…….. stop living outside yourself.

what if I told you the symbolism found in the symbolic order is irrelevant, and what matter is that is my own symbolic order, which i decide upon

Isn't self-interest an idea?

psychotics don't decide upon the effects of their psychotic break, tho

>my own symbolic order

yes, my hunger is an idea, if I stop feeling hungry, the idea disapears

this is how the individual work

is my symbolic order similar to yours?

The mind of a Stirntard.

why should I answer when you will refute to come up with a proper response, you done it twice now kid, first calling stirner an ancap, and then claiming your self-interest is an idea

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"Hunger" isn't "self-interest" (you are moving the goalposts), and in your portrayal the individual has absolutely no control over his "self-interests" if they are to be narrowed down to biological needs. Moreover, it's not really the (social) individual which is in question, but the (asocial) animal.

In my "self-interest" could be deceit, love, seeking power, etc. all very tied to abstract ideas before concrete practices.

Are you really such newfag or are you so angry that your vision becomes blurry?

both the social individual and the asocial animal make up the self, its retarded to belive satisfying the desires of one isnt' satisfying the self

thats haunted with spooks

the faggot leaves a space between the meme arrow and the first word, I know how he is

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Animals don't have desires, you dense fuck.
Animals don't have egos, selves, 'I's (call it how you will), you dense fuck.

What does this even mean? What's asocial about the "self," you dense fuck? That you are hungry sometimes?

Cointelpro is really this strapped for cash?

most animals are conscious beings, they are able to form social bonds with other animals, they know they belong to a pack, and act accordingly, they are able to develop morality, of course it is individual to each specie, but most conscious animals that live in packs do

even aristotle revognized this
plato.stanford.edu/entries/aristotle-psychology/#8

acting in a way which does not follow the "social" rules? when I do something againts the ethics of the society I belong to, purely because of my animal desires for example

a rapist is an asocial being

no u!

The self is not fixed. We're constantly shaped by our will and external forces. Self-dissolution is the loss of self-identity, in this case.

Not me, but seems to be starting to grasp it.

What is will? Loss of self-identity means what? Define external? Define forces?

If you're going to talk about fundamental ontology you need to be pretty precise.

What I'd like to know is how is it creative, and in what sense is it nothingness?

t. anthropomorphism

Your self didn't arise from nothingness, you were brought into the social, even your transgressions are mediated by the social. What you are saying basically translates to
which human experts call adolescence.

wow, so cool
Let's see now. The rapist speaks. The rapist has an identity. A sense of self. An upbringing. He desires how others desire. He feels anxious from time to time, when he has no clue about his social coordinates. He transgresses the laws of society while maybe thinking that the act (raep) was outside of the laws, not realizing that that the law implicitly carries its transgression ("Don't rape!"), that the law is the exception, not the transgression.

Stirner would be proud.

Vegan detected.

By the gods, is xir the (truly) autistic vegan anarchist?

I'm borrowing a bit from Nietzsche here, since the will is more than just in relation to me.

The material forces Marxist often speak of.

It's "nothing" in that there is nothing fixed there. I can tell you who I am in a given moment, but I can't guarantee that's who I'll be ten years from now, as much as I may hope. There is nothing really there but an idea of who I am in that moment. There are many ways this idea manifests itself that are "creative".

Going to have to go into a bit more detail on that conception of the will. All words in a passage of metaphysics or ontology are technical, and precision is everything, otherwise it's easily just mystical poetry that you can superimpose any ecstatic vision over, while being strictly meaningless and nothing of it is reliably communicable, and there's no particular reason to prefer this view over Spinoza, Fichte, the Gnostic scriptures, etc. other than how well it conforms to your desires of how you should relate to the world, which are the very prior presuppositions and margin for error philosophy seeks to eliminate.

How does meaning terminate in this self? Can you elaborate on the creative?

Not idealism?

Wow, is there anything you've read?

Too bad the laws of society are not axiomatic

t. Autistotle

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That explains evrything

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Keep swinging and missing cabron, but don't worry I didn't actually mean any of those accurate descriptions that hit too close to home.

Suck my cock dude

The simple fact that you couldnt even arguee against thevfact thatbcertain animals are conscious beings and act on self-interest, and revved up the adhoms proves you are an impotent cuck

How does it feel to know that you will never get rid of stirnerposting?

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underage b&

Puberty doesn't last for ever, not even yours.

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Your absurd compulsion to post embarrassing shit-tier memes to an ironic image board because reasons, makes you free how? Seems like you're a slave to some pretty retarded desires hahaha.

A perfect example of this:

"I'm so free from your morals and rules that I'm chained to this thread not knowing what the fuck to do with myself."

LEL

How about you fuck off, classcuck

Lacanians are too busy with their autistic jassoniance to continue replying

How ironc :^}

What more do you want me to say exactly? What's missing?
The way I used it is as a desire to effect change. It was merely an example of something that could influence the self. It's not the most relevant bit of information.

Elaborate on this, pls. Not sure what you mean.

The "creative" aspect of the "creative nothing" can build upon the idea of the self. It shows itself through the process of self-actualization(Goldstein), for instance. It's a mechanism that builds and fashions the self.

I'm not sure I would call Stirner an Idealist. I remember him saying in Stirner's critics that he "only speaks of his materialism clothed with the property of idealism". Either he was confused himself as to what he was, or he didn't believe there was a real conflict. I'd say his ideas could be classified as a form of transcendental idealism. If someone thinks otherwise, I'd like to know.

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My interpitation of existance is so superior that you guys cant refute me and remain permanent smug.

Will you pls take pictures and video of self-described stirnerites next time you see them and post them? I bet their a lot less cool then they think they are when their hiding behind pictures of le 19th century smoking man online.

I could post you cringey pics right now of IRL Stirnerites (with proof) – and trust me we'd have a laugh at its edgy adolescence – but I'm not a brigading prick, so sadly I'll decline.