So, Aleppo has finally fallen. I guess it's Assad vs ISIS now...

So, Aleppo has finally fallen. I guess it's Assad vs ISIS now, puts the West in a hairy situation since can never openly support ISIS.

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not really Assad v ISIS though aside from Palmyra and DeZ, which the SDF say they're gonna liberate

have to clear up the rebels in Idlib first of all

Don't forget the Turks. They have a nice foothold in al Bab now.

Assad should have been Person of the year, dealing with so many astro turfed Jihads and terrorists paid by the West and Saudi. Not to mention the direct attacks by US and Israel

Turkey has helped the rebels far, far more than the US ever has tbh.

yeah those cockroaches only help the FSA tho and use it as a proxy against the Kurds

If you support Assad you need to fuck off back to Holla Forums and stop ruining my fucking board. I fucking mean it.

It's not even strictly a proxy anymore. There's a good amount of actual Turkish soldiers embedded with the rebels in an effort to take Al Bab. Two were captured by ISIS recently. We'll probably see a video of them being brutally executed soon.

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king salman gtfo

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All that is left is to stamp out the turk then hopefully an Assad and YPG cooperation will be set in stone fireplace cleaning up ISIS

I'd be willing to support him if he allows autonomy for Rojava. Tbh allowing autonomy for the Kurds in exchange for them recognizing Assad's legitimacy is a pretty fair deal, he'd have to be really shitty not to take it.

Plus it would create a militantly anti-Turkish buffer state and embolden Kurdish militancy in Turkey. It would probably cripple the Turks and therefore NATO power in the region. Putin should be throwing his lot in with Rojava if he can into geopolitics.

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He won't allow autonomy unless Russia forces his hand. As ever with Russia it's hard to know their views or end game so I dunno how it'll play out

The russians are pushing for this and I think it will happen. Bashar has to pretend that he's not going to allow any partition but the fact is the SAA won't be able to take Rojava, and importantly the imperial powers have had a hard time getting their people to support intervention in aid of the rebels but it would be much easier for them to make the case for war to help the ypg, which would fuck syria up all over again.

If the Russians want to expand their influence and limit American hegemony, then supporting the Kurds would be a no brainer. Kurdish Autonomy in Syria wouldn't really weaken Assad, but it could be disasterous for the Turks. Putin would essentially be choosing between putting a thorn in NATO's side or protecting Assad's ego.

Also if the Kurds really didn't think they would have a chance at autonomy then they wouldn't have helped the SAA in Aleppo.

The other side of the conflict are little more than an offshoot of ISIS backed by the US military. Just how bad do you think Assad is?

I think you have this backwards, otherwise it would be Russian SOF advisers training the Kurds rather than American ones. Maybe American foreign policy has just gone full retard.

Though an autonomous Kurdistan means a possible leftist revolution in Turkey within the decade.

Holy fuck he reads and believes the Guardian

Holy Fuck. This guy must read the New York Times.

I'm pretty sure american foreign policy is starting to recognize that america's supposed "allies" do more harm than good 9 times out of 10 and at this point throwing in with Actual Straight Up Socialists seems appealing in comparison. If it weakens turkey fuck it turkey's turned into shit anyways.

I read this everywhere but so far they have simply been an confederate milita; do they actually have socialist economic policies? Anybody got some info about that?

If not, it would just prove that Anarkiddies are putting the question of having a state above the property question, which would be nothing surprising.

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More thorough info on Rojava's economic and social policies:

kurdishquestion.com/oldarticle.php?aid=rojava-s-threefold-economy

anarchism.pageabode.com/andrewnflood/resources-rojava-revolution-kurdistan-syria

fair.coop/docs/a-peoples-economy/

rojavaplan.com/join-3-2-personal-account.html

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Never understood why people are against Assad tbh

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People who don't understand le realpolitik.

In Britain a lot of trots built connections to jihadis during the iraq war protests which I think is the course of left pro war stuff

rojava plan is dead my dude, pisspiggranddad said they've pretty much disbanded and all the members have joined other groups

go back to /r/Anarchism, kiddie

Why are Trots so fucking sociopathic? I mean look at all the neo-conservatives that were former Trots

I know but they've still got some decent info on their site about Rojava

You realize at least half of Holla Forums are anarchists? They are not going to support some shitty dictator just because Putin likes him.

I think you're taking this from a too black and white perspective.

Would you support anarchists in Syria right now? With all the """moderate""" rebels? They'd be crushed, you'd lose support and people. Assad at least serves to stop America couping every single country in the ME and gives Russia a bit more control of the region, splitting the power up a bit.

You realize that understanding Assad is preferable to a Salafist theocracy doesn't mean you actually support Assad and that people who understand that aren't all talkies or taking direction from Putin, right?

I already do…

You realize that you can still be against Assad despite that? Are you spooked or what?

No, I mean, would you actually think it would be a good idea for them to make waves, right this moment in history? They'd get steamrolled or blobbed by Islamists.

I'm not for or against Assad because I don't have a dog in the fight. The reality of the situation is that either Assad remains in power or western backed Salafists take over.

Westerners choosing which side to root for like it's a sporting event are fucking gross.

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When aleppo was liberated I watched people from syria post images of people celebrating in the streets.

a bloddy civil war was finally comming to a close.

here is what American media conglomerates have as their headlines:


Isnt it funny how the syrians themselves are celebrating, but the American Military-Media complex is reporting something totally different?

Turkey… is in NATO

Why would the West not support its own son, though?

It can do it overtly.

*covertly

Well for a while the Russians were giving material support to the Kurds, and honestly if there weren't already American spec ops embedded with the YPG then there would probably be SPETSNAZ there.

Supposedly local neighbourhood communes are the basic unit of economic production and political organization, but I don't know how they operate in terms of private ownership and markets.

They support private property so it's not particularly socialist, more of a kind of radical social democracy.

On private property:

thoughts on this vid?

youtube.com/watch?v=TjHniRRgOao

where is this from fam?

What did He mean by this?

fair.coop/docs/a-peoples-economy/

here you go comrade. i'd like to get a pdf of the actual economic plan itself but it doesnt seem to be available.

These western backed Salafists have done nothing but cause harm and misery for the civilians living under them. Factories were shut down in the hopes of recruiting the desperate unemployed, schools were shut because 'only islamic teaching lel', and the civilians were forced to live in these areas at gunpoint.
Assad certainly isn't great, he's just another capitalist pawn in a third rate country. That being said, we know from experience that western intervention is always much worse and absolutely chaotic or even more repressive. Libya, Iraq, Yemen, Egypt, Morocco, Honduras, and so on. It's an asinine position to pretend to be above the issue and support nobody.
You're a complete twat for not only being an apolitical shit but also guilting comrades for having an interest in a struggle of the people.
You are fucking gross for insulting us on our opinions of global events to serve your crippled ego and false superiority. We all have a dog in the fight because these are fellow human beings dying, suffering, and being repressed. Take your leftcom bullshit and shove it up your ass where it belongs with the other shit.

nice meme.

Dude I literally said in the previous comment that Assad is preferable to the Salafists. I just don't have any illusions about him. I don't "support" the regime (I guess that means shitposting in his favor on image boards) because I don't live in Syria and I know a good portion of the people who do live there don't like him. I've had an interest in the civil war for three years but I just thinks it's absurd for a westerner to "support" a dictator in a country they don't live in or interact with. If you're going to actually support anybody in the conflict why not the Kurds? What does your western Assadist support look like?

Could you be anymore cheesy? This is literally the same appeal to emotion that interventionists make.

Kurds are puppets to America

That's why they're currently in a joint task force with SAA, Hezbollah, and RU, right? I guess this puppet has a mind of it's own.

US last puppets (ISIS and FSA) are outdated now so when their gone Kurds will be the new force of american imperialism in the region

The Kurds were receiving US support before these joint operations started. So is the US allowing them to help out the regime they want to dispose of in a grand 18 dimensional game of backgammon?

they understod that they can't continue to support islamists for to long because it gives them a bad image

You do realize Rojava (because they're not just Kurds) is pro-Syrian unity right?
This whole "Puppet of America" angle falls apart when you're dealing with a faction that is neither demanding the overthrow of Assad or dividing up Syria.
They're even fighting US and Turkish backed Islamist rebels in the North.

he'll just tell you the arabs, turkmen, yezidis etc. who live happily in rojava are propaganda

people act like rojava is a monolithic kurdish entity but as you say it's definitely not

the PYD's inclusive ideology has annoyed many of the more nationalistic Kurds who think they are diluting Kurdistan

reddit.com/r/kurdistan/comments/5idpes/soon_to_be_announced_in_qamishlo_the_rightwing/db8cfbr/

for example. people like that are a minority in rojava though. they're much more aligned with the KRG in Iraq

How does leftypol square its support for Assad (at least relatively, compared to the Salafist alternative) with its criticism of Israel vis-a-vis Palestine?

Knowing that the absence of Israel’s occupation would leave in power a very similar sort of reactionary Islamism in the Palestinian territory.

Not bait, just curious.

While there are some parralels to be drawn between Hamas and some of the rebel groups in Syria I think a more apt comparison would be between the Army of Islam and groups like Nusra. Their tactcs and goals are very similar. Hamas is no where near as extreme as these offshoots of al-Qaeda.

You said this wasn't bait.

Hamas is not nearly as extreme as any group in Syria right now
And I support the PLO :^)

Hamas and Hezbollah are both fighting ISIS and Al Qaeda groups in their respective territories, and Hezbollah is helping Assad… makes you think.

Hamas only has popular support because leftist resistance groups are either bought off or destroyed by Israel making Hamas the only group actually fighting Zionism (which is of course what the Israelis want) get rid of Israel and you get rid of Hamas

But hamas is supporting fsa faggots they had a falling out with hezbolah

proofs?

If it's true, I'm happy to side with the group that actually kicked Israel's ass twice and has proven its ability to govern.

Hezbollah should just go into Palestine and kick the shit out of Hamas and take assert themselves as the true resistance to Israel tbh. lmao'ing at Hamas if they think they can insult Hezbollah in anyway.

middleeasteye.net/news/how-did-hamass-military-expertise-end-syrias-rebels-1129524334

Hamas is treading a fine line. They've spurned Assad and Iran over the last few years which puts Hezbollah in a tough spot. What's interesting is that after the Gulf states officially labeled Hezbollah a terrorist organization Hamas refused to comment which put tension on their relationship with Qatar. All the other Palestinian factions released statements. So I guess Hamas is looking to remain diplomatic with Hez while training the people trying to kill them. MENA is wild fam.

Hope Hezbollah just tell them to fuck off

They sure trained those rebels up in their preferred tactic of getting slaughtered and losing every battle

Who /Syria General/ here?

Me

the 4pol one?

dat tunnel craftsmanship tho

gonna be good

hamas is a group I can't get behind, will comfortably support Hez's resistance against Israel

maybe

it's full of insufferable reactionaries and turkroaches

They're really losing it. about fucking everything. They're losing the propaganda war with Russia, Asia is slipping to China, they couldn't win in Syria, Trump is president, and the EU is filled with discontent. Bad times ahead.

Obviously there are differences, both in ideology and in severity of extremism, but the question stands:

If leftists should be willing to support (or critically support) a guy like Assad to get rid of reactionary theocrats, would the same kind of support be given if Israel were to come into Gaza to get rid of Hamas?