Would there still be islam under communism?

Would there still be islam under communism?

What if islam resists communism, will it be forced upon them?

well look at the islamic countries that had good relations with the Soviets
they're mostly secular (except Iran, which was fucked up bad by the west and it became more radical)
but it's turning around
we should support our Shia brothers against the Suni scum

no
yes

Islamic beliefs may remain, for a while but no religious institutions will survive.

The fuck does that even mean? What is 'islam' in this context?

Religiosity decreases as standard of living and education increases. If any religion remains, it will be a mere enthusiasm for a few eccentrics. Like the New Age is today. To attempt to destroy religion by military means is futile. Religion grows in regions of conflict and poverty. An open confrontation would increase both. It would be a self-defeating strategy to declare open war on any faith. Instead you must make the soil infertile for religion, and that is done by increasing the standard of living and spreading education. Religion can only be killed with kindness.

Islam would either die out or radically change under communism. Sunni orthodoxy would most likely be thrown out and in its place would be something closer to New Age Sufism or Mu'tazila School.

Islamic communism is a thing.

It's a thing, but not a very good thing.

No, stop, you'll bring the euphoric Trot here.

I've noticed both the far-left and far-right have a hard on for this shia's, especially since the whole syria thing. I've only ever met sunnis and they seemed okay so I don't really see the point.


That sounds pretty racist though.


I mean muslims refusing to adopt a political/economic system that runs counter to their religion. Like how they couldn't be bombed into democracy.


The christians and muslims did a pretty good job of destroying pagans with military means, so it isn't self-defeating. Also, the U.S is far more religious than ukraine, while being much richer and more educated.

i have a hard on for them because of Iran though

Syria, Iran, and Hezbollah are the reason leftists seem to prefer Shias. But none of those countries/groups are anything close to socialist.

Sunni people are fine. Sunni governments just tend to be the most reactionary in the region.

why so though
i thought lefties loved Israel

Do you even know what Shias believe and how it differs from Sunnis?

Or are you just saying this because you think they have better politics?

We deal with them them the way we deal with everyone else. Kill the porkies and the class traitors. The middle east has a history of thriving leftism on which movements can be built.

We don't.

Most leftists think Israel is a settler-colonial occupation.


Lebanon as well.

only the basics about why they parted with sunnis
and that
but mostly because most of them were secular countries allied with the Soviets during the cold war
and if not for americans fucking shit up they would have remained stable

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lurk moar faggot

The only Shia-majority nations in the ME are Iran, Lebanon, and Yemen (Yemen is like 52% Shia, 48% Sunni). Syria and Iraq have sizeable Shia populations but neither was ever ruled by Shias.

This is the exception and not the rule, and there is a good reason for it. Although there is a greater share of wealthy and educated people in the US compared with Ukraine, there is also a much larger mass of poor and uneducated people. The distribution of wealth is such that there are huge regions of deprivation where religiosity flourishes.

The conditions in the ancient and medieval worlds did not permit the destruction of religion.

Oh look the daily Islam thread

Nothing in Islam goes against communism. Most westerners project negative aspects of Christianity and the Bible on to Islam when nothing could be further from the truth.

You see a lot of base-superstructure determinism coming from these people. They think because Islam developed in an economic system where there was property Islam must reflect hierarchy. This is entirely untrue. Private property DOES NOT EXIST in Islam and the Prophet said several times all property belongs to Allah and must be held in common. Also, did you know early Islamic society was a matriarchy? The Prophet said Heaven is under the feet of the mother. And the verse of the Qur'an which says men are the protectors of women reflects the faith's matriarchal nature (since men are required to provide and care for women).

Pic related was right in stating Muslims are the only true communists because their religion ultimately promotes an egalitarian way of living whereas western ideologies do not.

Pretty sure it's the other way around. Yemen is like 51% Sunni.

This argument is so low Autism Level that I'm guessing you're a muslim.

so every justification of patriarchy ever is actually matriarchy

We're gonna have to build a really big gulag.

"Islamic communism" is a /r/fullcommunism tier meme like "luxemburgism", Stalinism, and "Libertarian Marxism".

hmmmm

Islam has nothing to do with race

For me, the opposition goes deeper then that, otherwise I'd associate myself with crackpot Maoists like RAIM and /r/communism where the prevailing opinion is something like


I've even heard some people who may or may not be provocateurs in those circles even argue that all whites in America had to go back to Europe

For me, the reason that I'm passionately opposed to Israel is that its more of a fascist state with definite theocratic leanings despite the pink-wash liberal hippie facade. Just because Canada and Israel are both the same type of colonial-structure doesn't mean their really the same.

I'm not opposed to the white working class in settler-colonial countries, nor am I one of those leftists who accepts their existence but think they should welcome demographic demise so new waves of migrants can come in and make profits for porky.

As for Zionist influence in the US, I think its mostly negative it forms a major part of the far-right segment of the US deep state as well as its liberal wing. I also think Zionist influence is part of the decision-making process which causes US imperialism to wage war in the middle east, where it can benefit themselves theoretically and its partners Israel and the gulf state. Jewish influence in the media often means the far-right values of Zionism often get boosted as well as its virulent anti-Arab racism. That should be opposed.

But I have no problem with Jewish workers in Israel and the US just because they are Jews.

I really don't give a fuck outside of my own community

The whole point is not to fucking intervene at this point that's a fucking stupid idea and you are insulting my intelligence for even suggesting i believe it

Fuck you

calm down sperg. Take your 'tism pills or wait until your period is over to start posting

He says as he posts on a Communist board.

Isn't it inherently hierarchical?

What about that tax based on accumulated wealth?

No religion under communism

There isn't much in english of Sultan Galiyev's writings, what do?

Also is Shia Islam or Sunni Islam more revolutionary? Are there any parallels between the Shia/Sunni split and the Catholic/Protestant split?

Broken clocks and all that.

I can't see why not. Religion is not necessarily opposed to revolution.

Yes and yes. There were and there are Islamic communists, the reactionaries among them will be gulag'd.

Lmao, there is nothing matriarchal in this statement.

Didn't Marx advocate for the destruction of religion?
Islam is Theocratic, there is no fucking way it would cohabitate with a commie dictatorship

Islam seems to be growing more regressive as the decades tick on, and not more moderate as with other religions. In the 20th century left wing politics in the Middle East held a far more significant sway than they do now. I'm wondering how we reverse these things.

Religion and Communism are incompatible with each other. Especially Islam where only wealthy men can have multiple wives. Seeing as how they blow themselves up for 72 virgins, I doubt they'd settle for one.

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I take it you're keen on embracing the image of communism as a blood-soaked skeleton that cuts its way through the world.

Not really, but saying terror doesn't change anyone's mind just isn't true.

The elimination of paganism had more to do with the prestige and utility of the Catholic Church than terror or military conflict

Stop Saudi Arabia and the US supporting Wahabbism

No, because communism is a western creation. Muslim countries should follow their own path.

Fuck off

This is not true. Practically every self-made rich/educated person is an out-of-the-box thinker by necessity. Even those who inherit wealth tend to gravitate towards the arts rather than economics.

Right. Let's ignore that whole thing of religion being the opiate of the masses.

"Protector" is a euphemism for "I can beat her but you can't."

Christianity is actually more egalitarian than Islam. In Islam polyandry is forbidden and women are practically outcasts during their periods. The Arabic language has a separate verb inflection for females, which is often the same inflection used for inanimate objects. Just because Muslims call each other "brother" doesn't mean anything. Monks in other religions also call each other "brother." Freemasons call each other "brother."

It's a Zionist Masonic creation.

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