Silent Hill

We're going to have somewhat of a different Silent Hill thread, Holla Forums.

This thread isn't about the music, art direction, atmosphere, story and all the other elements of SH games, this thread is instead strictly about the core gameplay in these games.
I'd like to reach a consensus on what SH game is the best when ranking them exclusively in terms of gameplay.

My vote goes to SH1.
SH1 feels like the quickest game in the series in terms of movement and combat.
Ranged combat in SH1 especially has pretty good feedback, i feel like the gunplay in it feels better compared to all other SH games.

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I didn't play the SH1, so I can't say, but SH2 is the best comparing to 3, 4, and Downpour.

If you had played 1 you would have said 3 is the best one

SH2 gameplay better than 3?
Why?
They feel equally sluggish and devoid of feedback for all your actions, to me, with SH2 maybe having slightly better melee feedback, but SH3 having more effective melee weapons in terms of damage.

combat gameplay wise all of them are shit, feels sluggish and weapons without any real impact, it's shit but it works so i don't mind.


SH1 was my first and i still think SH 2 is the best, but SH1 is pretty great still. now SH3 i didn't like it and still don't, to me it's just a rushed game made to finish off Harry/Alessa story and it did in a very dumb way so to me it does not even exist, to me is just: Harry saved Alessa reborn and Silent Hill became a permanent purgatory on Earth, THE END. anything can happen there now but the Alessa/Samael arc is over.

SH's gameplay? It's shit.

This is my opinion on SH 1-3.

1.) The controls are shit (though not as shit as RE, but I think all games need FPS controls no matter how sluggish the dev wants the character to be).

2.) The melee needs more variations and animations. It's not satisfying enough overall. Still miles better than RE though.

3.) The puzzles are shit. Yes, I'm that Alone in The Dark guy who hated how survival horror games handle their puzzles. They're more like riddles meet rubik's cube rather than pure understanding of the lore and intuition.

4.) The inventory system could be better. I think it should be weight based or space based (as in RE4). I just love freedom in inventory management. Not the worst aspect though.

5.) The map is boring. It's big, but there's almost nothing to do with it. Such level design is time wasting for the player.

I play Silent Hill for the aesthetics, not the gameplay.

But why?

SH3 has little quality of life improvements like diegetic indication of what doors can be opened and the most well-placed camera of the three, so my vote would have to go to that one


If you had read the OP you would understand that makes no difference

Then you're still wrong and still don't understand Silent Hill lore

I disagree on the camera, in fact i personally feel like SH3 has many moments where the camera gets you completely fucked.
There's a lot of instances of entering a room and having the camera face the door you went in and trying to painfully reajust the camera only for it to snap back to a bad position, at that point all you can do is pray that there isn't anything dangerous rushing at you from the front as you're trying to fight the fucking camera.

But perhaps that has more to do with the camera interacting with certain level geometry than the camera itself.
I think i had far less problems with it in SH1.
SH1 will sometimes use a fixed camera but what they do is basically have the camera generally in a corner, on the upper side, and then it follows you as you move around a room, and it works alright, it's almost a "classic RE" moment, as long as you're used to how RE controls it's not too bad during those brief sections.

You can't rely on intuition or an in-depth knowledge of lore in a space that's constantly warping and changing, and which intentionally remains vague to keep the player guessing.

I can't remember any time that happened in SH3 specifically, it happens occasionally in SH2. Can you remember any specific room where it happened to you?

For the SH3 camera it was something I noticed playing all three games back to back, in 2 there would be a lot of instances where running would leave James nearly out of sight at the top of the screen with no way to see oncoming enemies. It could have been intentional to create suspense but I seriously doubt it since you can rely on audio cues more than visual cues anyway. For SH1 I think the camera is relatively inert for the majority of the game outside of the introduction, it's functional but not noteworthy. When I think of reasons to prefer 1 to the other two games the camera isn't the top of the list.

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All over the Hilltop Center.

But the main enemies in the Hilltop Center are as passive as SH2 enemies, I was expecting it to be a problem with the Slurpers in the hospital

In the hospital it just happens in like 2-3 doors.
It happens all over the game but the biggest concentration is at Hilltop.

He's an underage faggot. "Tank" controls were perfect for SH and RE1. I replayed the RE1 remaster with a PS4 controller on PC, and I specifically chose "tank" controls.

That's not exactly the same as playing RE1 when it comes to the controls

I played the original 20 years ago on PS1, and I still own it and play it sometimes. I'm saying I choose the original controls even with the "modern" game, because the "tank controls are shit" meme is an underage meme.

But they are. There is no need for them unless your point is to deliberately sabotage the player.

It's the same kind of moronic argument people use to excuse the shit combat in Thief 1 and 2. I get that you want to encourage the player to avoid confrontations, but there's better ways to do that that don't involve making controlling your character a clunky mess.

Isn't it exactly the same?
It gives you the option to use analog controls, but aside from that you can play it with the original tank controls, it's an option you can switch from and to.

It gives you the option to use tank controls but the layout isn't exactly the same, no, it gives you more freedom with aiming. I booted up RE1 to get a screenshot but I forgot it doesn't have control A or B or C options either

Tank controls are absolutely necessary for a game with fixed camera positions, SH4 and Origins are a good example why traditional analog controls should never be used in this type of game

SH4 is the objectively best game in the series.

I disagree.
I have deep love for SH4, but it's full of problems.
99% of it's problems would've been mitigated by not having it be a SH game, and just make it it's own separate game, a new IP.

Like, if Forbidden Siren was a SH game people would give the series an ENDLESS amount of shit, but they don't, because it's a separate IP, so it can work by it's own rules.
Mechanically, SH4 can work as a new game, but all it does as a SH game is piss SH fans off due to how shit works compared to 1-3.

4 is the only one that truly scares the shit out of me, mainly because of pic related.

It's a shit lore, but with good imagery.

Speaking of which, I have been trying to have a synchtube marathon for TRSHE and I always get side tracked, would you like to have it tomorrow?

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Same, when I saw the webm I saw he was moving steadily away from the rocks but I didnt think it was enough. I thought he was fucked.
Im not talking cowardice im just saying look before you leap. Jumping off a cliff is super heroic and all but I would like to make sure I will land on something soft.

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just get the installer from autodesk's site and you'll have three years use if you pinky-swear to autodesk that you're a student but, if you really want to crack it, all you need is the crack.

I mean, i have the crack for Maya 2017 right here, right now… but i'm not gonna give it to you. sorry.

but anyway don't bother torrenting autodesk installers.

bimp?

The only Silent Hill game I played was Origins, and even that I had to drop halfway in.

I mean that literally. It spooked me and I dropped my PSP. Shit broke.

Wouldn't the logical solution for Unions be reach out to non-Union workers and immigrants and try to reduce non-Union competition?

Sure, why not


Are you sure it was Silent Hill Origins?

I'm a real pansy when it comes to horror games.

Origins was pretty shitty when it came out.
Then EVERYTHING ELSE happened and now i'd gladly give it another go.
It at least felt like a semi competent SH game.
Weird how a series going to utter shit makes you appreciate mediocre entires in it way more.

Nice, I'll prepare the playlist and post the link tomorrow.

I had to set my PSP down too when I played it but it was because I was laughing


Emphasis on semi, but I get what you mean

That is exactly what we try to do every day. The more people in the unions, the less people outside of them. More marketshare = more bargaining power = less competition.

Thanks, user.

Because it would be impossible to fit the facts in the narrative and make it look good.

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any podcasts that talk about military history/strategy. video podcast (whatever the fuck that's actually called) would be preferred

This spam thingy is making filtering IDs a little troublesome.

I think the marathon will be up in about an hour, for anyone who is interested.

I didn't play much of SH, but isn't the gameplay shitty on purpose, like trying to make the player feel insecure with the lack of control?

Not quite, the controls are good enough for the setting and the style of gameplay, they aren't what I would call shitty, just a little dated by today's standards.

Silent Hill 3 is objectively best.
Silent Hill 1 is my personaly favorite.

>tfw Silent Hill 1 will never ever get a 1:1 Fox Engine remake

Why Fox Engine? are you a Kojima lover?

Kojima wouldve done it justice, but also, Fox Engine being owned by Konami, as well as it being very good with the kind of gore that Silent Hill 1 would be showing.

I would rather have a fan game in Unreal, Kojima would have to stroke his ego with the game and add a bunch of 4th wall breaking and meta narrative.

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Well of course, no fan developer is smart enough to keep it under a curtain until is finished, still, I don't want Kojima near the franchise ever again, let him do his Norman Fetus meta shit instead, give it another name and all.

Welp, get in there, I will begin putting the videos in a second TRSHE marathon is about to begin.
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OK, the list is full, I wonder if someone else will enter.

Officially started, here goes nothing.

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Looks like the spammers are back.

pls die and stay die

Looks like I'll be alone in the marathon.

Sorry, I had to work this morning, I'll join in a minute

Is this a new meme I don't know about?

He's fine in X2 and 3. It's X4 the one that dropped the ball for give him so much shit and "muh Iris". X5 Zero is fine since they finally gave you a "final" fight between X and Zero. In X6 they should've kept Zero dead.

Marathoning TRSHE
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bumping just because, well, because I want more people to join.

Queues and matchmaking are pretty bad. Game itself is alright, but it needs some more polish. Biggest issue I've had with it is one or more people leaving matches and thereby most often ensuring their team's defeat.

Does anyone really use block in SH3?>>11435270
that's a pretty creative poster.

SH4 burping edition.

I didn't say it's shit. I said it's an unfunny memegame

anyone else wanna join?

Don't forget

Memes that are still funny the 10th times you've seen them don't exist.

It sucks but looks nice. That's all. It's over the top and too fucking easy because of the aiming.

Seriously play the fucking original it's the right way to experience MGS.

Probably Pasadena. She seems much nicer and down to earth than the other two.

Crash could do with a cutie like that, a female character that doesn't treat him like shit.

Are you retarded?

He aint that full of himself.

probably the best multiplayer game of all time desu
but with a seriously low tier (bottom 10th percentile) dev team and community

really ruins it

Is that a rethorical question?

What? No

play Silent Hill 3

You're in for David is Mondo's brother.

You mean the Silent Hill Experience?

She must have a really thick bush. Hnnf

Sage for not vidya.

those days are gone

fuck off nigger, im a fucking flower

why do snakes kick my ass?

Nah bro it happen here in the U.S. the kid is alive.

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When it's some misc. stuff like the Thieves Guild Jobs

When I need to go to a dungeon/place I use the wagon to the next city and walk from there

When I have no real destination I walk around, pick up alchemy stuff until I get to a cave/tomb/fort/whatever

Name a few

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linear switches with o rings are pretty much silent, iirc there are silent tactile switches too but I'm not too sure about that. either way o rings are neccessary

what does that mean? they're all zones linked by loading screens, literally no different to TP

It means your input cannot change that much no matter what direction you aim for in a game.
Simpler said, everyone and their puppies can do the exact same thing.

denuvo is the savior of pc gaming.
Why do you think exclusives still exist? publisher are afraid of pc piracy, with that gone you'd be enjoying, for example, rockstar releases on day one

Here comes the shitty controls argument and Homecoming

they do, but they tend to have ideas for episodes before the season starts.

The member berries and the season in general were obviously geared at hilary winning the presidency. when that didn't happen, matt+trey were very, VERY obviously blindsided(the episode afterwards was one of the worst SP episodes ever, and that includes the return of chef), and while they kinda recovered, the member berry plot ended up going nowhere, making it obvious they had no idea how to fix the plot.

Not quite. It stills needs a more diverse roster, better weight-class balancing, and traditional Battle Mode before it can be the best.

With that having been said, I love this game and still play it.

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I knew that the game was just gonna be The Division again but with vehicles in a bigger open world.

Goddamn it Ubisoft are the pioneers when it comes to creating huge ass worlds with fuck all to do and making their games boring as fuck in general.

I thought his family wouldn't do it because Brian Jacques personally hated video games.

They're supossed to get a gf user

3D Realms outfit and height on Gearbox's model would work best.

are the controls as shitty as they look?

Pretty much

People who start console wars are basically child soldiers.

It all comes together once you use the shoulder buttons to strafe. Then try to use them while in the middle of turning to swerve around enemies. It's like the one flowing element to Silent Hill's combat.

How do you guys build underwater base? I want my base to be deep, because it's a pain in the ass to get down there every time, but by the time I reach my spot I'm already out of air. Do I just build 300 feet of air pipes?

AVGN used to be so good.

(unironically) Thank you, Hueda.

The escort parts are what keep me from wanting to play it again. The 1st half is pretty good. they should have played with the hermit thing a bit more. Looking out your window, spying on the people next door. More stuff like that.

If you didn't have full control over the world it would be much better. Given what has come out since then, you're right it's not as bad. Still bad though.

The most disappointing game Suda51 as ever made, thank God Let it Die renewed my faith toward him and Grasshopper.

I sell all my extra Humble codes there.

I would never buy anything from it.

You mean, the mirror thingy?

Hybrid console.

So I've seen videos of Gladio using a different skill other than the spinning thing

how do I make him do other things

I feel like I'm retarded

I would buy a remake of Xenoblade Chronicles X for 60 dollars if it just made flying require pressing jump twice, instead of just jumping to lift off.

If you want to point out the logical flaws of everything in Fo4 we're going to be here forever.

nice

the last chapter of the fallen knight who is now a mad man who believes he can talk to pigeons.

Here's the memer again

Shame the fuckers aren't doing the same for Atlus games. At least Deep Silver got P5 right anyway.

Yes that's what I said

This. I was going to buy a PS4 and finally abandon Nintendo until I saw the Switch.

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Is the saying not "butt naked"?

Anyone?

He lost his touch a long time ago.

Crysis is honestly not worth it. The leaf aliasing is awful too.

The characters, voice acting, story, and minigames were outright atrocious, but grinding around the city and killing shit was pretty cozy.

Yes. I didn't like that.

guys, I feel like I'm repeating the same day over and over

Whats bad about first two?

you know it scams your account right?

Yeah, basically you can't do any funny business with the corpses, like turning them into skeletons or making them explode.

Skies of Arcadia, sorta.
Soul Nomad Demon Route.

Would you happen to have a link to the apk that I can try?

when i was a kid my whole family was fat as **** other than me and they took up the whole damned barely working car so i had to sort of huddle up at the foot rest on my moms side of the car

in hindsight that was really dangerous

So… are posts just going everywhere? Threads don't look like they make sense.

Dead Space 2 ruined the franchise u utter faggot. WHere first had the atmosphere- Second just goes all gore apeshit hollywood. The weapons are stronger, the game feels the same. Dead Space 2 and onward is ruined shit franchise.

They copy and paste them from other posts, sometimes they seem to be in context, but they are not…
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Still marathoning

Bumping because we got to the HD ports now

What if Konami will use VR to bring back Silent Hill in name only like downpour and the rest

I don't think it would work, even though the franchise is perfect for that.

How come? Did Metal Gear Survive scare them from making anything vidya related again outside of mobile shit and soccer?

They don't see any profit on anything that is not pachinko.

We will divide the marathon, Downpour review and then until tomorrow.

How good does SH run on emulation now? I remember trying to play it a few years ago but I was lagging like crazy, it might have been due to the engine having to render all the fog particles but idk.

All three run fine on emulators

SH3 used to have some shadow problems but now that PCSX2 has OpenGL it's fixed

Would you argue that Devil May Cry would benefit from using tank controls?

No, but it would benefit by not having a fixed camera. It's an action game.

I don't agree that free camera is necessarily bette rbut it would certainly benefit from having better camera angles.

DMC3 and 4 had a relatively inert camera that was always well-placed but it also wasn't totally fixed, and nobody in their right mind would have chosen to make DMC1's camera the way it is if they had been building DMC1 from the ground up instead of starting out as RE4

Why can't you just fucking fuck off already? Nobody agrees with your shitty opinions and you think you'd actually be "improving" the game that way.
What's worse, this time nobody even asked you to talk about the puzzles. OP specifically said talk about the gameplay and you went on and jumped like a sissy attention whore to parade your shitty opinions on things the thread wasn't about.
Just fuck off. Not even the average Holla Forumsirgin retard attention whores like this. You're so desperate for attention you must have less social life than the average Holla Forumsirgin.

This

The second part of TRSHE marathon will begin at 3PM EST (that's supposed to be less than 1 hour from now), I hope you can join us.

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We'll start shortly.

OK, officially starting the rest of the marathon now, join us.
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it's sad that we know there is just one fag who hates the infinitely better games in its genre. autism is real. I see him in every RE thread too almost.

Coming next, Silent Hill Arcade in TRSHE

Is the end of the ride!
Book of Memories.

euuuuuughhh

OK, we are done, thanks for joining, now we can continue discussing a lot of stuff about SH when the time comes.

I actually managed to find the time to finish Silent Hill 2 because I'm going through a rough patch with my girlfriend and christ almighty
I just want all this to end

Well, don't do anything drastic, user. You don't want to end up going to Silent Hill.

Just fuck her until she's too cumdrunk to think about her depressing life anymore

Who's the autist here?


just ur opinon bruh

Best plan tbh fam.

user, you indirectly hit on why SH2 is the best in the series, at least as far as writing and characterisation because James' motivation is just so fucking good.

You've got a man that fell in love with this woman and married her but then she gets sick and this woman that he loved and thought was beautiful and wanted to spend the rest of his life with turns into this ugly, miserable, miserable bitch before his very eyes and he can't do a damn thing but take the abuse and try to support her because he knows it's the right thing to do and because he loves her still. But gradually it goes from a labour of love to just labour and then something he begrudgingly does, especially when he's openly berated by Mary for even being there.

He knows that she's still the person he fell in love with but the disease and sickness and the hospital are all taking their toll on both of them and the resentment and hate starts to grow inside the two until all that's left is a final act of kindness or hate depending on your perspective/ending.

All this sets up a delusional murderer driving with a body in the trunk and a blank letter to an abandoned town in an effort to meet the woman he already knows is dead.

GODDAMN