Nipponese Learning Thread: Diamond Is Not Crash

Kanji is a bitch. I have not effectively learned anything this whole month because I am trying to figure out a learning method that works for me. I think I will just use the KanjiDamage anki deck because it explains in more detail about the kanji being used. I tried core2k/6k or whatever the fuck it is, and it just starts by showing you the kanji for numbers, but it doesn't tell you their specific readings and it doesn't explain the stroke order or whether or not the current kanji is a radical, and it doesn't provide example jukugo. Additionally, KD uses mnemonics, which I find to be very fucking helpful. For example, the kanji for hundred [百] is comprised of two other kanji/radicals, one being the kanji for white [白] (which sort of looks like a lantern to me) and the other being a t-shaped line radical. To me, it sort of looks like a fruit, so I just imagine one hundred white magical pears growing on a mystical tree. It definitely helps me remember to recognize the symbol i.e. I nicknamed it "lanternfruit". Of course that's just recognizing the symbol, you'll have to come up with mnemonics for the readings, too, which can understandably be a pain in the ass. Still, I'm willing to do whatever helps.

On the grammar side of things, I know that [だ] is used to express a state of being, but that state of being can be implied by context. [じゃない] is used to express a negative state of being, and I learned the two past forms for each. [だった] is a past state of being, and [じゃなかった] is a past negative state of being.
[だ] = is
[じゃない] = is not
[だった] = was
[じゃなかった] = was not

I have only been learning for a month and a half. I expect to grind the fuck out of kanji in the coming month, hopefully I'll master KanjiDamage deck in 3 to 4 months, but if it takes longer, it's fine. I'm in no hurry or anything. What I really want to know is how to type out kana/kanji with my keyboard. I'm sick of using character map all the god damned time.

Yeah, I don't recommend playing games without kanji.

You don't need that.

1. Download Japanese IME
google.com/ime/
2. Install
3. Press Alt+~ to switch between Japanese and English input

Christ you pick the one localization that has serious problems then you bitch about shit it doesn't even have.

What do you mean? Each kanji has onyomi and kunyomi, and the core2k/6k doesn't tell you the difference between which one it is using. Well, I guess it sort of does, like it will show you [四] by itself, which uses the onyomi, and then later on it will show you [四つ] which uses the kunyomi. KD just tells you "the numeral four" and expects you to know what it's talking about. When it shows the answer, it will automatically show all the readings for the current kanji and give examples of jukugo that it's used in. Personally I find this to be more efficient/more comprehensible.

Why shouldn't I make a point of learning each kanji's readings? Should I just do grammar instead?

I mean I'll try it, but Google are a bunch of faggots who want to collect user data all the fucking time. This alone makes me weary about using it.

Holla Forums I plan going to school in nip land what should I do to learn it fast?

The core deck is vocabulary, not kanji. Kanji are like the letters that make up the vocabulary.
Because:
1. It's fucking impossible
2. It's a waste of time
3. You'll learn them anyway from studying vocabulary

You can use the one that comes built in with Windows instead if you want, though I don't think Microsoft is any better. I just think the Google IME works better.

uh wat. the core2k deck shows you kanji and you're meant to memorize the reading for whatever kanji it's showing you. kanjidamage is the same but it also explains the reading and tells you when the kanji is also a radical.

四 is both a word and a kanji. As a word you learn the meaning and how to pronounce it, as a kanji you learn the meaning and how to write it.

As I finish up this VN I've been reading for a while, I'm beginning to consider my next venture. For some nostalgic reason, I'm pretty tempted to replay Super Mario World. Unfortunately, that game is not text-heavy, so it doesn't really do jackshit for any reading comprehension.

I'll likely have to whip out a JRPG, but I get pretty frustrated and assmad when I have to constantly switch between kanji-lookup and actual game playing. Any time my hands aren't on a controller, disinterest piles upon me until I inevitably quit.

Keep at it, and eventually you won't even have to look stuff up. Just remember that if you get frustrated.

I think you might be classifying things in a way that will end up being more confusing later on.

四 is a kanji that has Chinese (on'yomi) and native Japanese (kunyomi) readings. The conext determines the reading that is used (and often there will be multiple readings of each type), however It refers to the same broad concept in any case.
Typically a kanji in isolation uses the Japanese reading, and the Chinese reading when part of a compound. There are exceptions everywhere, of course.

That's a very specific dichotomy. I mean, [四] is the kanji symbol for four, and its onyomi is [し] or SHI if you like. the kunyomi is [ふたつ]. All of this put together is both vocabulary and learning the specific reading, right? I would think that if you want to learn kanji, you have to learn each one's specific readings, both the kunyomi and onyomi, as well as the meaning that the kanji represents.

Forgive me for being retarded, but are you saying that I should ignore learning the onyomi and kunyomi and just focus on learning specific words and their corresponding reading as they appear?

Sorry, I meant よつ. You get the idea.

Yes, which is why I typically read VN's, manga, and various other things which I can do on the computer. It facilitates the dictionary lookup and lessens frustration.

I'll stop whining though. I know that the only thing to do is just put my nose to the grindwheel and have at it. I just need to find a good game that will pique my interest enough. I was thinking about replaying Legend of Legaia, but this time in nip.

Yes. Just learn that 四=4=し, 四つ=four things=よっつ, 四日=four days=よっか, etc. Those are all distinct words, which is the core deck.

As for the kanji damage deck, all you want to learn from that is that 四=4, that it's 5 strokes, and how to write it. Don't even pay attention to the kun/on yomi.

Good taste. I haven't played the nip version yet so I dunno the level of difficulty, but I've found that PS1 games are really good for practice.

了解! Okay. I understand. Thanks for the advice, user.

頑張れアノン！

I'm currently halting my japanese learning until the semester is over. I already memorized hiragana and katakana and I've got a miserable amount of kanjis learned.
In order to learn more kanjis I tried wanikani (even if it's only the first 3 levels, it's free!) but I haven't even started the vocab for first level yet. To be frank their method utterly disgusts me. Their 'funny stories' to remember (mnemonics I think they call them) don't click with me. I'll use related pdf to learn what I sorely lack (grammar) and jisho.org for kanjis I don't know.

I tried to play ActRaiser but the sim part is so god damn slow compared to the us version and I have to go to jisho with every sentence because I can't into grammar yet. Besides I already beat that game about 5 times so I'm not exactly thrilled by it.
My end goal is to manage a full playthrough of the psx smt1, 2 and if.

Mnemonics are the best way of learning kanji imo. I'm not creative enough to come up with my own, so I use the user submitted ones on here.
kanji.koohii.com/

I'm old fashioned and prefer writing them once along with their meaning, kun'yomi, on'yomi and a few examples to memorize them.

Calm down, son. I just used that screenshot because that's what I'm playing right now. I'm not implying it's an example. Just a fun game from my childhood.

You should continue to revise what you have already learned just to make sure you don't forget it. I've wasted a lot of time relearning.

What does Google's do better in your opinion?

It just has better conversion. It recognizes the names of more Japanese media and shit.

Like many anons I found that you learn the readings naturally over time as you learn vocabulary. I only studied kanji for the meanings.

For example: You'll eventually learn words like 発行「はっこう」, 発会「はっかい」、発展「はってん」、開発「かいはつ」. After seeing them time and time again you instinctively know that the common onyomi for 発 is はつ.

Grinding them on their own is just going to make you mad, as there's no context behind the sounds. It'd be like pulling all the character names out of a story and trying to remember them without reading the story. You might be able to do it; but it's a shitload easier when you know who Gandalf is and what he does.

Good analogy user, I like that.

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I can't learn Japanese.

Rome wasn't built in a day, faggot. Just learn a little bit every day. Forget the big picture. So long as you can concentrate on taking a step every day, you'll reach the finish line. The guy that comes in last still finishes the race. That's not just bullshit cliches, either. That's how I've gotten as far as I have. After a year and a half of studying for an average of an hour a day, I went on holiday again there and this time was having fun with locals in an izakaya while one dude, super drunk, was singing about his love for おまんこ.

I fuck up every day when doing reviews; trying to remember that grammar point I learned yesterday; or looking up a word I don't know and realising I've known it for months and am just retarded. But for every time I fuck-up, there's fifty more times I progress. You just focus on the fuck-ups because you're human. Like learning anything; nothing beats the feeling of looking back and seeing how far you've come.

Earn it, son. Put down what you're doing right now and do your reps in Anki or whatever you use. If you don't know what that is, then ask and ye shall receive.

Oh cool you are the izakaya dude, man that's something I want to do too.
Go to an izakaya and have fun with locals!

I was just joking btw, I'm not giving up anytime soon, although I have to admit I'm stuck grammar wise and need to put more effort into it.

Yeah, grammar is the hardest part for me. Mainly because it's not like kanji/vocab where you can mindlessly brute force it every day. Aside from textbook exercises and reading Jap media, I don't know of any decent methods as simple as flashcards are for vocab.

Also writing kanji is a massive hole in my knowledge. I can read them just fine, but 90% of the time if I need to write one from memory I can't. Though that's my fault as I didn't put as much priority on it as other aspects.

I trace the symbols I've learned using fingers before sleeping. It's simple but it made learning the syllabaries a breeze.

バンプ～

何やってるん？　このバカどもめ！

don't do that

Of course not. There are far more kanji in the Japanese language than there are atoms in all our multiverses.

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What's the count word for firearm magazines?

I'd guess 本 or 個 are probably fine to use. 本 is for long tubular sorts of things, so it wouldn't be appropriate for like a drum magazine though.

Huge ass earthquake hit Japan today. Hope you anons living there are safe.

I thought it was a tsunami. Was there an earthquake too?

Apparently there was a 6.9 magnitude eathquake 35 km from Tomioka, Fukushima Prefecture, Japan at 1:59 PM yesterday. The earthquake is why there is a tsunami advisory in effect.

I hope all the animes are okay

When in doubt, it's not wrong per se to use ひとつ、ふたつ, etc for anything either, afaik.

bump for plebs ITT doing it wrong like usual

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Localizations are still butchered though, so whether you have to wait months or years you are still getting an inferior product. And thankfully it's only a few cases of Jap devs self-censoring, hopefully the Jap consumer is less forgiving of that shit and makes them knock it off.

And if you can't remember the ひ、ふ、み, etc… system, you can use いちこ、にこ、さんこ、etc…

According to native speakers I've talked to, either is equally valid and are essentially interchangeable.

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Ooooh. I wonder who'll get the hitler quints.

why the f*ck would you learn any language besides american?

Japs are honorary Americans.

Is there any reason why 流石 is read as さすが?

It's just an irregular reading. Some words are read differently than any of their kanji would suggest, you just have to memorize those cases.

Alright, thanks.

That's why 生 is the worst fucking kanji, I swear. 生憎, 生地、生物、生、誕生日. All common words. Five different readings of 生 because fuck you.

Saying that, English is almost nothing but those sorts of brute force exceptions. Just throws you off when Japanese is so regular normally.

いっこ*
But yeah, you got the right idea.

バンプ～

I recently migrated all my courses/progress from Memrise to Anki because I got sick of having to rely on Memrise's shitty service. Anyone have any recommended N2 vocab/readings decks? I'm almost finished the N3 readings one.

Age cus i just did a rep

Trying to study nip and being an insomniac is suffering. バンプ

Anyone can recommend me a non-pornographic, non-VN games to play on PC?

VN-like story bits are fine as long as there's gameplay to the game.

I want to learn Kanji, but I want to learn them by their iconographic roots.
For example, the Kanji for "woman" is a stick figure crossing her arms as if holding a baby.
Once I can work out what all of the pictures mean, the meanings should be simple. It's a hieroglyphic language after all.

Threads of Fate, known in Japan as Dewprism (デュープリズム Dyūpurizumu

You'd want to check radicals then. I wouldn't recommend focusing on that, though, as not always the combinations will make sense. I'd recommend just learning the kanji normally, one by one, and taking note of the radicals on the side.

バンプ〜

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What happened, user?

Where does "ara~" come from and what is its exact meaning in the context of older women in hentai? I am to understand that it is a feminine exclamation like "oh" but when did it start to be used to describe older women in hentai and why? Does it have to be mothers too or can it just be older women in general?

If I were to guess I would assume that an English speaker saw "ara" said by a woman in some doujin and somehow this caught on as a term used to describe it.

You can't learn Japanese

get out of here dekiru-chan you aren't wanted
あなたは怠け者です

and for those who are learning Japanese, 怠け者 (namakemono) is a fun insult to use that means "lazy person" and it is derived from the word for sloth.

あらあら is just a common phrase used by those types of women in fiction, that's where the name comes from.

That's dekinai-chan. Dekiru-chan knows you can learn Japanese.

Anyone wanna grind Heisig with me for the foreseeable future? I'm feeling kind of low energy. We can swap stories and stuff. My skype name is jullaay (yeah, it's a dumb reference but I've had it for years).

正直にめんどくさいだけど、RTK以外では字の形はちっとも覚えできないです。本気な希望者なら良けれスカイプに追加してくれ。お互いに文法も練習します。ウデマエは能力試験３級のほどです。これからよろしく願いします！☆

why can't we be as cool as the faggots on 2ch?

That was the first response I got, how am I supposed to carry a conversation when that is the opening line?

Recommend him to kill yourself.

youtu.be/tFpuXMINT8s?t=1m42s

did I hear it wrong, or did she say
'人2?'
the sub is '2人?'
which one is correct?

embedded timed Youtube Videos when ?

I don't know what you hear but she says 「ふたり」, so 2人 is correct

I managed to read that.
Can I learn Japanese?
Can I do it before AC3 gets a translation patch?

You can. It'll just take a while, so don't worry about AC3. You can go back to that when you're good. As I said, ignore that big picture. You'll just get discouraged. Concentrate on doing each day's reps/grammar/etc…

I'm learning everyday, but I don't have time to go full nip mode and read all day, I can barely do my anki reps and read a bit of my grammar book everyday.

I want to get good fast, but I don't have enough energy and time to learn after I come home from my full time job.

Lend me your strength fellow nip learners.

I think I'll quit my job and become full time nip learner for a few months.

バカか？
There's no such thing as getting good fast. You're trying to learn one of the hardest languages around. Even a simple language takes time to learn. You can't rush this shit. See
Take your time and keep at it. We're all gonna make it in the end.

There's your mistake. Japanese isn't something you can learn fast. Even when you have the basics down you are still going to need a lot of practice after that.

What sort of job do you do, user? I get a 1hr lunch-break at work, and I do my reps during that break. I often don't finish them all, but I knock out a massive chunk each day.

Does anyone know any good books/sites on formal Japanese grammar (i.e. grammar, that is japanese, taught formally)? Preferably, one with a lot of glossed examples like pic related (Even better if it has kanji/hiragana instead of romaji). I’ve found, after reading the textbook “Understanding Syntax,” that I retain grammar better when it’s explained formally with glossed sentences than any other way. I’ve tried imabi.net, but it doesn’t use glosses which I find very helpful, and it seems kind of disjointed in how its lessons are organized.

大丈夫、できますよ！
Well, maybe. You're definitely going to have to put in more time than that to really get anywhere. Start doing a dedicated hour to nip (other than your reps, which as said, do them at work, it's how i've got my 1600 card anki-peen :^) )
on the dot everyday? All it takes is building the habit. Starting it however, is gruesome.
The 8ch addiction is a bit too real for me to get fucking anywhere outside my anki reps 90% of the time. I am saving mad dosh for a 3 month (if budget allows) trip to Japan, and should have enough money to do a 1 year working holiday. If I can land a job with my shit resume that is.

This is what I do. However, I've been taking a bit of a break from adding new cards. I'll start doing 10 a day again when I get my daily reviews down to 50.

drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B9QDHej9UGAdd1FKYkc1aFkwWDQ
here ya go, don't know which is good.

I'm just afraid of not getting anywhere while time flies fast.

Sadly I don't have a set time for breaks, I'm always on alert in case something happens.
Usually every time I start my reps (when nothing happens for 5min), I get called shortly after.
That's shit cause my reps take all day long to finish and my retention is atrocious if I do it like that.

You shouldn't spend more than an hour on them.

Depending on how much I fuck up my reps take 1-1.5 hours. Often I'll do one big chunk during lunch and the rest later that evening.

If your reps are taking ages, I'd recommend stopping learning new cards for a bit until it settles back down. Best to ensure you remember the stuff you know than to keep letting it slip in order to "keep up".

Just checked my stats. 401 card predicted due tomorrow, on top of the 20 new ones I have to learn. Good thing it's a weekend.

Stop adding cards for a bit. Anything over 200 a day is bad news for any sense of retention (and sanity).

nepnep's game is on sale

how difficult is the japanese on a scale from yotsuba to spice and wolf?

Probably not that difficult, since they mostly just talk about pudding and stuff.

I'd say a third are from the deck I'm learning 20 new cards on every day, and the other third are really old cards coming up for reviews again after like 9-12 months. So for the latter third I scream through them with no trouble. 大部分は例えば「ありがとう」、「上がる」や「下がる」などってに書くんだね。

バンプ～

Anyone know some good Japanese games for PSP and 3DS (doesn't have to be Japan-exclusive)? I have cfw on both but I need more games.

ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_Portableのゲームタイトル一覧
ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ニンテンドー3DSのゲームタイトル一覧

I've already looked through the game lists, I just want specific recommendations.

Eat shit if you're so fucking lazy you can't even be bothered to look up whether a game is worth pirating or not. Asking for "good" games on Holla Forums without saying anything about what genres or styles you like, or your skill level with Japanese, or anything. I suppose you were just trying to bump the thread but I hate you just the same.

Sorry if I upset you user.

俺の完全敗北だ。まあ、日本語の勉強頑張りたまえ。出来るもんなら…

心配しないで、俺はもう十分勉強しました。

その割には使ってる日本語雑だし、他人の応援などしか出来ない間抜けな奴にしか見えない。

即ち、てめえにはタヒろのみ。

I swear anki is actually preventing me from learning.
I'm doing the 2k6k deck and after hitting 2000 cards, I reduced the amount of new cards to 10 per day, to slowdown and read more.

But my anki reviews keep rising for some reason.
It's fucking weird, some cards that I get right are supposed to not come up again for the next 10 days, but I get them the next day anyway.
What the fuck is this?

Did anyone else notice something like that?
I mean you know a card => press good (10days) => get it 1-2 days later again.

Super Robot Wars. The two 2nd Z titles and the Masoukishin titles on the PSP, and UX and BX on the 3DS.

If you know the cards then it shouldn't be preventing you from learning. It should take what, 6 seconds max to answer a card that you already know/90% certain of?

How do you modify a noun with multiple subordinate clauses? In English, for example, one would say “the man who is eating, sitting down, and reading a newspaper” or “the man who is eating, who is sitting down, and who is reading a newspaper.” Is it just the first clause, comma, next clause, etc., and then noun? So would this be correct:

IIRC you only finish the last verb when you use multiple verbs like that, so I think it would be like :

I don't know maybe this can help
guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/compound

I'm still in the middle of SRWα on the PS1 at the moment.

Which one has KOS-MOS in it? I remember seeing a gif of her attack animation before.

Are they saying that I am not wrong but I've used the wrong word? I think I used the wrong word of uncle.
also If someone could give me a lit translation of that sentence

I'm really sorry. It's not wrong, but it's better not to use it when speaking about/to people older than you.

I'm really sorry, it's not wrong but you shouldn't use it if your (conversation) partner is older than you.

Brilliant.

Alpha's fucking long, good luck.

KOS-MOS only appeared in a couple of the OG Saga spinoff games, Mugen no Frontier and it's sequel Mugen no Frontier EXCEED, which are more or less spiritual sequels to Namco x Capcom on the PS2, and which led to the Project X Zone games on the 3DS. If you've played the latter, Mugen no Frontier is also where Harken and Kaguya originate from, and Namco X Capcom is the origin of Reiji and Xiaomu, who also appear in Mugen no Frontier..

I have it on hold for the moment though. There are too many characters I am unfamiliar with. I figured I should at least watch Mobile Suit Gundam first, since the characters from that seem the most important in the game.

HOL UP
so, why is it that men refer to themselves as a subject using "male language" when it is almost never required for the speaker to specify a subject? Is it frowned upon to draw unnecessary attention to oneself in Japan? Is the very use of a self referential sentence considered a cocky display of bravado? Japan must hate individuality

I think it's just the case where it's very clear you're talking about yourself, so it's a bit weird to keep reasserting that it's you you're talking about. Sort of like constantly referring to something by name in English instead of substituting a pronoun after it's first introduced (it/he/her/etc…). People would be like "why the fuck does he keep saying THE APPLE? Is there something up with the apple?".

I could be wrong, but that was my understanding.

Using 俺 ever outside of humour will just make people think you read way too much manga.
So basically yes to everything you said. The language is perfect for removing redundant information, compared to how much fluff English has. The best example is how often we use pronouns or names even when we already well know who/what we're talking about.

This, instead of using pronouns, they'll just drop it all together unless needed.

バンプ～

How do I say that something is my favourite somthing?
like

x is my favorite vidya

Not exactly sure. Maybe something like 「マリオが私の一番好きなゲームだ。」 (using Mario as an example). Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

You're quite wrong. Here is the correct translation.

「OP-さん の チンポ をお気に入りました」

My progress is decent. I picked up influent to see if it'll be any fun to use for a little bit to make learning a bit less boring. It probably won't be effective but still.

I'm just going through basic grammar now

うんこ is my favorite word now
i keep saying it
皆さんわダメ人間じゃなです。
皆さんわうんこ人間ですよ。

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I wanted to reply with a spurdo romanji shitpost, but then i realized the sentence wouldn't have changed.

It's a bad habit I never was able to drop, I'm sorry user.

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What's a good Nipponese font for having printed?

I want to order an AR15 dust cover with "イナズマ アメリカン" on it. To order the custom engraving I need to export it as an image.

.>>11336146

Classy.

I know. I wanted something in Nipponese to make it mine without putting my name on it and everything else I could think of was a dumb joke.

Thinking of getting "バン　バン" on the interior.

Bought 龍が如く0. It's definitely harder to understand than any other game I've played, but I'm following along surprisingly well. It's mainly the cinematic cutscenes that I have trouble with, since my listening comprehension is way behind my reading comprehension.

礼儀をありがとうなぁ。　でも、お前が一番巨大なホモや。

Is this where the survivors of 4chan /djt/ went?

バンプ～

Sometimes I see the a, i, e, o kanas with the two dakuon bars on top. How am I supposed to pronounce that? Or do I just ignore it?

It's just flavorful emphasis, 99.9% of the time. Ignore safely.

Anyway to make typing la come out as ら instead of ぁ?

Type ra instead

edit your romaji table/template

Some words enunciate la more and others ra. I'm looking to fix la to also be ra since I'll never need to use ぁぇぃぉぅ

The tenten indicate it's a voiced sylable, your throat sort of vibrates. So adding them to things like あ makes them sound like the person's putting more force into the sound.

関西弁が禁止してるなぁ。

I'll cross that bridge when I get to it, besides I'll just bind something else for it when needed.

Sure, but only ra actually "exists" gramatically speaking, so you'll never get it wrong if you use only that
I knew a grandma that said "lingo" instead of "ringo", it was pretty cute

The voice in my head is not gonna spell la as ra.

Holla Forums I'm going to japan to study the language you faggots made follow this path and wish me luck.

Learn a real subject user.

Any user have similar feels? I'm like this with everything and it's made me feel that I can never accomplish anything in life. At least with Japanese I'm doing a little better than I usually do. Whenever I don't feel like learning anymore, I just watch Game Center CX or watch some animu, and the desire slowly returns.

You lack routine and discipline, don't worry pretty much everyone does. Create a diary or a checklist of things you need to cover and work towards completing it.

I have a question. You seem farther ahead than me although I've been doing it for a few months.
I am studying Kanji almost every night. 2 new ones and 60 old ones.
I don't study them intensely though since I assume I'll learn them through repetition every day. I will tell the program to save it for the next day even though I haven't memorized it yet.
I'm doing that so I only take about 30 minutes for that instead of and hour and then have 30 minutes to study grammar and such with another program called "Human Japanese".
Is that unwise?
Should I do the full hour of Kanji?

I meant to say 20 new ones. Not 2.

Ok, stop studying kanji and start studying actual words.

That's kind of Human Japanese is for. The anki deck also has words. It's not JUST the kanji but its meaning and such.

What deck are you using? The recommended one is the 2k/6k. Knowing their meanings is useful but you'll learn the meanings along the way from the words.

Human japanese isn't a supplement for words, it only teaches you phrases (and grammar if you pay attention enough)

That is the deck I'm using. You're right, HJ doesn't teach words, but grammar.
It's also a pretty easy read.
It's quite satisfying to watch anime and at least a few times per episode hearing out words.
Sometimes I even understand sentences that are said or written. I seem to obviously be doing something right but I just wonder if I could do it better.

オレンジが大好き何だよ
orenji ga daisuki nandayo
"(I) have a lot of love for oranges, what's it to you?"
"(I) really love oranges, what of it?"

That is what I learned today.

Riiight. When you said you were learning kanji, I thought you meant you were studying the kanji individually.

I take it you're using a grammar guide such as genki or tae kim's guide?

Do more. That's it. The more time you devote to learning, the more you will learn.

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Peruse this fine selection of Japanese erotic audio files, perhaps they can temper your resolve or rekindle some interest in the language or culture.

Well, that's fair enough.
May I ask how long you've been at it? How "good" would you consider yourself to have become by now?

I'm midway through my third month of study so I'm not that much further ahead than you.

At this point I could have studied grammar a lot harder but since now I'm trying to hold a conversation in nipp, I'm more focused on fixing my grammar issues.

I see.
Good luck and succeed in learning nipponese. If your reason is good enough it'll motivate you continuously.

To answer your earlier question
Just keep going until you clear that days reps. If you're too tired to finish them, start them earlier next time etc.

Good luck user! Where will you be living?

Tokyo or Niigata

Somewhat specific problem here. On Jisho.org, I can't get stroke order diagrams to show up - both the video and regular pictures just won't show.

This only happens on my desktop, and with Firefox. Works in Chrome on my desktop. Also works on Firefox on my laptops with both the same OS (Windows 7) and different OSes. Just wondering if anyone has a semblance of a clue of what is wrong.

I remember having the same problem once. I think it was caused by the HTTPS Everywhere plugin.

Thank you so much, oh man, this has been a problem forever.

I changed graphics cards (and thus audio output source) and now Rikaisama will no longer play audio (not even no audio). How do I fix this? All other audio works perfectly.

probably have to get a fresh driver install, assuming you haven't already done so.

incidentally, anyone know how to get mainichi browser extension to work in cyberfox?

np user

Never been to Niigata, but if you're in Tokyo, it's going to be expensive as fuck, so be prepared to live frugal.

CAN'T

Already did well before I noticed this issue, I needed to to get everything else to have sound.

After 5 months of study, I can read and listen to バトルガール ハイスクール fairly confidently. I'll keep at it and hopefully gain fluency someday.

I've started studying Italian, too, so I can learn from the old masters. I feel a bit childish putting so much effort into Japanese just to play videogames. It also helps with my self-confidence, though. I never would have found such a fulfilling hobby without this thread. Thank you so much, Holla Forums.

I think I asked earlier in the thread. Anyone have any recommendations for N2 vocab/readings decks for anki? I'm considering ripping another memrise course into anki for N2, but the result is a bit messy. 1/3rd of my cards are "suspended" because they're ones I ignored in memrise (already knew them) and I can't remove them from anki without also removing the cards I did learn because one is like (english > kana) and the other is (kana > english).

I did Italian for a bit at uni and in school. Holy shit did I not appreciate how easy it is from English compared to Japanese. Too bad I never had much use for Italian, so retained none of it. Just make sure you don't burn out trying to learn two languages at once, user.

Same. Thankfully there is so much Japanese media, so it's easier to retain, even though it's harder to learn.

I've finished learning the most used kanji and their meanings, but not the readings,how should i move now?
Grammar? Core deck? Reading/playing stupid shit?

Why not all?

Because i can't organize for shit and have also other things to do/study.
Also i'm a retard

Learn some basic grammar and jump into games while looking up any words you don't know. Also start a vocab anki deck.

Then go for grammar and try to consume the media.

Should i go with Tae Kim then?

Also what is some retard tier game/reading material?

Go with Tae Kim or try out Human Japanese. Tae Kim is free and pretty extensive but some people might not get his system or like it. Human Japanese, while casual, does teach you all the basics.

I don't know a single thing about japanese, but i wanna learn.
What would be the best place to start?
I understand that it will take a while to learn it, but i might as well try.

start by decorating the hiragana and katakana tables

Read the google doc in the OP.

Will do.

What do you mean by ''decorating"?

sorry wrong word
memorize

Ah ok then.

don't use link shorteners/Uh2p8A
I made a starters guide for a friend once that I've been going back and refining every once in a while. It's not intended to be an absolute guide, just a run-down of how I learned. It doesn't include a section on speaking/listening. Once you're at the point where you're able to do that, you don't need a guide anymore.

docs.google.com/document/d/1vc7hT6weL7zYq8YPVifdMDghpT-1W7FaJYxtVe7j5kI/edit?usp=sharing
Didn't realise the linkshortener thing was a thing.

From what I've read from various forums, studying multiple languages at a time prevents them from "replacing each other" in your head. It's pretty obvious that you need to consistently use languages to keep them, anyway.

Does anyone have a Japanese TV stream link? All mine got taken down last week.

New pokemon has Japanese as option, does anyone know if it has kanji or only kana?

You can set it to use kanji or kana only.

It's going to take me 300 hours to beat, isn't it?

Only you can stop this.

Oh my lord.
Please tell me this is an edit.

haha
haha ;_;

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バンプ～

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You may be interested in this. It's a magnet link to the 日本書紀 (Nihon Shoki), which is Nippon's creationist origin story. It's some ancient Harvard textbook on Nipponese culture. It's in English and so it won't really help you learn, but it will help you understand some Japanese culture. Enrich yourselves, you swine.

Probably.

The absolute worst part is when it's all in hiragana or katakana, forcing you to use google translate and work out what those sentences mean.

WELL WHAT'S THE FUCKING POINT YOU FUCKING CHINKS?!

Kanji is easier to read.

I believe it was mainly a combination of space limitations on early games and Pokemon being targeted at children who likely don't know many kanji.

What's the point of Kanji if you have Kana?

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Japan uses no spacing and has too many homophones to count. Good luck trying to read that, I'm sure even natives would struggle occasionally.

My point exactly!

This is why you never play video games in English. Ever.

The only games that don't use kanji to my knowledge are Famicom era games due to legibility issues, and now often as an option for certain games like Pokemon, or the PSP remakes of Famicom Final Fantasy, which were written that way to begin with due to being on the Famicom.

This. I don't think there are many modern games that aren't children's games that use only kana

My problem is that as a foreigner trying to learn the language I'd have appreciated child media to have kanji as well, otherwise it's practically useless to help learn the language.

Kanji usage varies greatly between games. You gotta find the ones that don't have too many or too little. Dragon quest is a good start I'd say (excecpt 1 and 2 that don't have kanji iirc)

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I'm not expecting that from children. I'm saying it makes it more difficult for myself.

But… you are complaining that media aimed at children isn't useful to you because no kanji… because children wouldn't be able to deal with it. Were you expecting them to create specialized children's media for you to learn from or pointlessly complaining? Have you considered age groups are visible on most products and using that to judge complexity and usefulness to you?

Then you should be happy you are being challenged. Besides, having to read the kana will help build up the spellings etc and will help improve your actual ability to recall words.

Clearly studying nipp is doing wonders for my English.

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So how long did it take for some of you guys to become good enough at japanese to actually start playing games?

and at a certain point once when you have grammar pegged, does playing games help with your reading sklls?

I started playing about a year ago, after 2 or 3 years of studying. I probably should have started earlier, since my grammar and reading skills have improved tremendously from playing games.

If you get to the level where you can read at least half or most, that's where I started at least. For the words you don't know, just use your phone to access a Japanese dictionary and memorise the words you do not know.

Abso-fucking-lutely. Any media you enjoy can help you learn the language if only because you will CARE enough to try. For example, the word 粒子, which means "particle." Not a word you hear everyday, but I memorized it because I'm a huge Gundam fag and they won't stop spouting off about Minovsky Particles all the time.

バンプ～

久しぶりに続いたほうがいいと思う？

もちろん

なんか絶対にankiを使いたくない気分あるから「どうしよう」という気もあるけど・・・

ジャスト・ドゥー・イット

Is there any kind of rule governing when kana are used instead of Kanji for a given word, or is it solely at the writer's discretion? I've noticed おもしろい rather than 面白い a couple of times, for example.

你不能学习日语

你不能学中文

ここに中国語は禁止

To make you feel better, I've met actual Chinese who can't read Chinese characters. They can speak it alright but can't read them.

Pic very related.

聞いてないか？

旅行する中国人は一番大変なんだよね！
尊敬全然がないんだ！

Don't worry, even Japanese think it's great if they are able to write half the kanjis they can read.

I'm at an early stage atm. How long does it take for you to fully get your listening skills on par?

There are so many homophones in this language, i'm surprised you'd have an easy time

Generally you can tell based on context. Also if you're super fucking good a lot of homophones have slightly different pitch accents to differentiate them.
But basically it's usually quite clear if someone says 風を吹く they mean 吹く and not 服 as the latter is a noun and it just wouldn't make sense to "clothes the wind" instead of "blow the wind".

don't forget 風邪. :^)

誰もよい中国を幾ら存在しています？
pls no bully, i never make sentences

Progress wise, just picking up reading (8 months after starting vocab) reading level 3 graded readers no problem. Though it doesn't feel like much due to how simple the sentences themselves are, I haven't even finished tae kim's essential grammar part and they're easy.

ネヴァーギヴウップ！

nevermind, i'm a retard. they're all level 1 :^)

アップ

those fucking kanji that look like other kanji

oh and for others looking for reasons to keep motivated or learning, try to find media that you really want to understand or translate and that'll keep you going.

Learn radicals. That makes it easier to recognize the small differences in each kanji.

About 3/4 months in. I've learnt the alphabet (easy) Learnt a few Kanji. My writing skills are picking up and my reading skills are good.

only issues i've just started to realise is how bad my listening and speaking skills are.

I think I'll just wait till a few friends get back from christmas holidays and practice with them

I've always read things here and there, usually having to reference a dictionary so often that reading takes ages.
I just read like 3-4 chapters straight of Yotsuba&! with no need to reference shit and was able to understand everything. Even learned some new words like 地球温暖化. It's great knowing the meaning of kanji, because you can get what a lot of new words mean just by looking at the kanji.

fuck I bet mark and his jewish family did this.

バンプ～

もう一度～

次の遊びたいな日本語のゲームが知らないだ。「ルミナスアーク　インフィニティ」か「DEMON GAZE」はどうか？

ごめん、どっちでも遊んだ事がなかった。

さあ、「ドラゴンクエスト　ビルダーズ」は？

体験版はあまり楽しくなっかた。

＊楽しくなかった

そうか？私が数ヶ月前に買った、ちょっと楽しいと思いました。

そうよ。まあ、どうせあまりドラクエが好きじゃない。

ああ、それが。

じゃあ、もう一度イースVIIIを遊ぶがどう？

What the fuck is this?
I thought "two nukes weren't enough" was a joke, not a fact.

Looks like 催淫 to me.

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Pretty fucking much. I can't even bring myself to say うん or ううん because it feels and sounds retarded.

はい and いいえ are the more formal words you should be using anyway.

God I hate grammar. I could study Kanji all day and night but grammar is just boring as fuck. Not surprising as I spent as much time in school not paying attention to English grammar as I could when I was a kid.

Last achievement was realizing Gradius Gaiden's title was writtten "GRADIUS 外伝" and not with kana as expected.

I've got to find a way to make grammar study more painless.

Play games. I had the same problem as you, grammar was something I just couldn't wrap my mind around until I started practical reading.

I thought I was shit.

Then I took a vacation to nippon for a few days.

I fucking nailed it.

==YOU GOT THIS ANONS, KEEP YOUR CHINS UP AND DON'T SELL THEM FOR RICE! BE LIKE
I crushed it. Also can someone native explain why jap girls SUCK at kissing but are great at giving head? Literally every single one had this problem it was like they wanted me to fence with their tongue outside of our mouth or something. What do they mean by this?

Kissing is an act of love but sucking cock is just lust?
Don't know.

How?

Why did Japan have to take down all the TV streams? How can I practice listening now?

You guys go to bars right?
Dress rich, act rich, don't bring up vidya or otakuism, when asked why I was learning the language I said I just "liked History".

Money is the only thing important when getting women of any race user but prepare to blow through your budget for the worst fucking kissing in your life.

I could see it

>things start to get a bit weird later on not that kind of weird you lewd fuck
>pretty sure she's underage
Fucking hell this has been one hell of a rollercoaster.

Yeah, that was it, thanks.

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wew; hopefully codemonkey will try to do something about it now.

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The Human Spider, that's the best you got?

Just do this.

At what JPLT level would you consider someone 'conversational' at japanese?

My grammar's probably around N4-N3. Vocab is just above N3. I was able to converse with people in Japan with no issue. I sometimes had to repeat things in different ways if I wasn't the clearest, but I was ultimately understandable.

I don't think JLPT even tests your conversational ability. It mostly depends on how much practice they've had at conversing.

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having enough money to support your family

ty

What do you recommend to play? I thought Dragon Quest (SFC remake) would be a good choice. Probably not a lot of complex grammar there. Also considered Pokemon, but I dunno if I want to study on a tiny character resolution game like that.

Not something with all kana. Your best bet is an RPG on the PS1 or newer. I started with Breath of Fire 3.

Really?
I thought the test was comprised of reading, listening, writing and speaking sections

I barely did than I went to Japan to be honest.
I was tired after going sightseeing all day long, but acting like a rich guy for pussy is nothing I would do anyway.

I guess it's that you had fun (or not) but I would rather not having sex with Japanese if I have to be someone else than I actually am.

Don't care if that makes me look like a loser.

*It's nice