Redpill me on the white rose (weisse rose) Why were they executed? They just...

Ryder Martin
Ryder Martin

Redpill me on the white rose (weisse rose)

Why were they executed? They just hamded out propaganda. Why not just put them in jail?

All urls found in this thread:

jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-white-rose-a-lesson-in-dissent
books.google.com/books?id=1gM0At2JBf0C&pg=PA148&lpg=PA148&dq=january 13 1943 munich riot&source=bl&ots=ytUARMomhR&sig=pSvqGr0t_vuqwft10jNCk5qh9TA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjRubqk7pnZAhWnmeAKHeK5AgsQ6AEIPDAD#v=onepage&q=january 13 1943 munich riot&f=false
spartacus-educational.com/GERwhiterose.htm

James Morgan
James Morgan

White Rose
Were they the Yorks or the Lancasters?

Samuel James
Samuel James

German ”resistance” group

Mostly students. They were executed but I don’t know why. Wiki just states that they gave out anti natsoc propaganda.

Daniel Hernandez
Daniel Hernandez

Why waste resources keeping foreign subversives, jews, and communist traitors in jail?

Michael Rogers
Michael Rogers

They all weren't though. Three were executed, eleven were sentenced to prison, and one was acquitted.

For those executed it wasn't an unusual sentence. Traitors and deserters were routinely executed. They didn't just "hand out leaflets" they nearly inspired a student revolt and fully intended to. Such an action, if successful, could have destabilized the entire nation. Their actions were not minor offenses.

Easton Young
Easton Young

they were part of a resistance network. How you grow up in Germany under these years and still try to be a fucking commie, is something that I will never understand. I believe the execution happened near the end times, when everything was going tits up, perhaps the authorities were going loose and wouldn't have done that earlier on. But given they chose to be commies under Hitler's years, they probably figured they are just doing advanced euthanasia by putting them out of their misery. Words cannot convey how pathetic these clowns were. The entire world is converging to destroy their entire nation, their volk and everything they hold dear, and the only thing that they are concerned with is "why can't I be a dyke lesbian and spread shitty economic ideas that never worked?" …. I can't fathom this vapidness, this absolute stupidity that one head can hold. Absolute fucking idiots, a part of me wishes that the russians would have gotten them instead, so they may realize just for a split second what the fuck they have done, before a gigantic boot crushes them into the cold, blood-stained ground of the gulags.

… so god-damn stupid. Their existence alone probably costed the lives of 6 million Wehrmacht-soldiers, because their heads exploded as soon as they learned that such unfathomable stupidity existed and called itself a young, grown-up German.

Xavier Gray
Xavier Gray

The White Rose was a non-violent, intellectual resistance group in Nazi Germany led by a group of students and a professor at the University of Munich.
Why am I not surprised wikipedia shills for them. But do you have any sauce for leading a student revolt?

John Rodriguez
John Rodriguez

Schmorell was born in Russia. I wouldn't be suprised if they're just crypto Communists. Schmorell was cannonized by the Orthodox Church, wonder why goy?

Jace Nguyen
Jace Nguyen

The original christcucks.

The fact the church propped up militant groups like this, in the middle of the war, effectively siding with the Rothschilds and the Soviets over the european people really tells a lot.

But "eugenics is sinful" because muh abortions…

Juan Torres
Juan Torres

For me a key fact in this case is that the father of the main instigators who admitted playing a key role in the whole horrid and treacherous movement was let free and to the best of my recollection had wicked opinions tolerated to the extent he was able to give talks. The National Socialists really were too kind for their own good.

Colton Torres
Colton Torres

They just hamded out propaganda.
What kind of propaganda?

German ”resistance” group
They were executed but I don’t know why.
For being Communists m8.

From the wikiJew:

In 1941, Hans Scholl read a copy of a sermon by an outspoken critic of the Nazi regime, Bishop August von Galen, decrying the euthanasia policies expressed in Action T4 (and extended that same year to the Nazi concentration camps by Action 14f which the Nazis maintained would protect the German gene pool.
Horrified by the Nazi policies, Sophie obtained permission to reprint the sermon and distribute it at the University of Munich as the group's first leaflet prior to their formal organization.
So, their experiences on the Eastern front as motivation? Bullshit. They were anti-NatSoc christians before they left.

In 1940, Otl Aicher had met Carl Muth, the founder of the Catholic magazine Hochland. Otl in turn introduced Hans Scholl to Muth in 1941. In his letters to Muth, Hans wrote about his growing attraction to the Catholic Christian faith. Both Hans and Sophie Scholl were influenced by Carl Muth whom they describe as deeply religious, and opposed to Nazism.
He drew the Scholl siblings' attention to the persecution of the Jews, which he considered sinful and anti-Christian.
They were literally christcucks, the equivalent of modern-day evangelicals.

Alexander Schmorell, who was born in Orenburg and raised by Russian nurses, spoke perfect Russian, which allowed him to have direct contact and communication with the local Russian population and their plight.
This Russian insight proved invaluable during their time there, and he could convey to his fellow White Rose members what was not understood or even heard by other Germans coming from the Eastern front.
Yes goy… Their 'plight'…

Kevin Nguyen
Kevin Nguyen

From end of June until mid of July 1942, they wrote the first four leaflets.
Quoting extensively from the Bible, Aristotle and Novalis, as well as Goethe and Schiller, the iconic poets of German bourgeoisie, they appealed to what they considered the German intelligentsia, believing that these people would be easily convinced by the same arguments that also motivated the authors themselves.
From 23 July to 30 October 1942, Graf, Scholl and Schmorell served again at the Russian front, and activities ceased until their return.
In autumn 1942, Sophie Scholl discovered that her brother Hans was one of the authors of the pamphlets, and joined the group. Shortly after, Willi Graf, and by the end of December 1942, Kurt Huber became members of the White Rose.
It cannot be understated that the year 1942 was a very important time for the German war effort, and for scumbags like these to be shilling to the 'intelligentsia' to oppose NatSoc efforts?
That's pretty fucking subversive and treacherous bruv.

In January 1943, the fifth leaflet, "Aufruf an alle Deutsche!" ("Appeal to all Germans!") was produced in 6,000–9,000 copies, using a hand-operated duplicating machine.

Consequently, in the fifth leaflet, the name of the group was changed from White Rose to "German Resistance Movement", and also the style of writing became more polemic and less intellectual.
Translation: They went full-blown #RESISTTRUMP in fucking 1943, at which point the Eastern front was turned/turning sour… And these christcucks are shilling against the state.
This sounds very familiar, and I suspect there's a Jew involved.

The students had become convinced during their military service that the war was lost: "Hitler cannot win the war, he can only prolong it."
They appealed to renounce "national socialist subhumanism", imperialism and Prussian militarism "for all time".
The reader was urged to "Support the resistance movement!" in the struggle for "freedom of speech, freedom of religion and protection of the individual citizen from the arbitrary action of criminal dictator-states".
These were the principles that would form "the foundations of a new Europe".
Dude, you're asking why these people were executed?

Julian Richardson
Julian Richardson

By the end of January 1943, the Battle of Stalingrad ended with the capitulation and near-total loss of the Wehrmacht's Sixth Army.
In Stalingrad, World War II had taken a decisive turn, inspiring resistance movements throughout European countries, then occupied by Germany.
It also had a devastating effect on German morale.
On 13 January 1943, a student riot broke out at Munich University, after the Nazi Gauleiter of Munich and Upper Bavaria had denounced in a speech male students not serving in the army as skulkers, and had made obscene remarks to female students.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

These events encouraged the members of the White Rose. When the defeat at Stalingrad was officially announced, they sent out their sixth – and last – leaflet.
The tone of this writing, authored by Kurt Huber and revised by Hans Scholl and Alexander Schmorell, was more patriotic.
Headed "Fellow students!" (the now-iconic Kommilitoninnen! Kommilitonen!), it announced that the "day of reckoning" had come for "the most contemptible tyrant our people has ever endured." "The dead of Stalingrad adjure us!"
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

On 3rd, 8th, and 15 February 1943, Alexander Schmorell, Hans Scholl, and Willi Graf used tin stencils to write paroles like "Down with Hitler" and "Freedom" on the walls of the university and other buildings in Munich.
So, literally shilling against the country's leadership in the middle of a fucking war.
They were literally blackpilled christcuck'd probably-gommunist-inspired traitors.
Fuck em.

Zachary Myers
Zachary Myers

They were communists who were trying to demoralize and subvert their own people so their nation could be destroyed and enslaved by the kikes. The little cunts deserved what they got.

Joshua Howard
Joshua Howard

Oh! And the plot thickens!

jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-white-rose-a-lesson-in-dissent

Hans and Sophie Scholl were German teenagers in the 1930s. Like other young Germans, they enthusiastically joined the Hitler Youth. They believed that Adolf Hitler was leading Germany and the German people back to greatness.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Their parents were not so enthusiastic.
Their father, Robert Scholl, told his children that Hitler and the Nazis were leading Germany down a road of destruction.
Later, in 1942, he would serve time in a Nazi prison for telling his secretary: “The war! It is already lost. This Hitler is God's scourge on mankind, and if the war doesn't end soon the Russians will be sitting in Berlin.”
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Charles Harris
Charles Harris

On 13 January 1943, a student riot broke out at Munich University, after the Nazi Gauleiter of Munich and Upper Bavaria had denounced in a speech male students not serving in the army as skulkers, and had made obscene remarks to female students.
I'd also like more information on this event.
WikiJew has no sources cited in this regard except the Jewish Virtual Library.

Levi Reyes
Levi Reyes

They were not communists (although, in practice, fighting for it)…

Caleb Nguyen
Caleb Nguyen

Ah, interesting…
the Nazi Gauleiter of Munich and Upper Bavaria had denounced in a speech male students not serving in the army as skulkers, and had made obscene remarks to female students.

books.google.com/books?id=1gM0At2JBf0C&pg=PA148&lpg=PA148&dq=january 13 1943 munich riot&source=bl&ots=ytUARMomhR&sig=pSvqGr0t_vuqwft10jNCk5qh9TA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjRubqk7pnZAhWnmeAKHeK5AgsQ6AEIPDAD#v=onepage&q=january 13 1943 munich riot&f=false
It seems the 'obscene' statements was to suggest they shouldn't be in school, wasting resources in wartime, but having children; and he added, if necessary, he would arrange for one of his male staff, adding that the female students "would have a pleasurable time of it" or some such.

I dunno man, their rhetoric sounds prettttty fucking gommunist.
Wouldn't be surprised if they were, in fact, communists. I mean, its weird to think of them going from christcuck'd libshits to full-blown gommunists, but then, its also weird to think of them going from Hitler Youth to blackpilled #RESIST faggots sprawling "Down With Hitler" on walls in the city.

Samuel Diaz
Samuel Diaz

Why not just put them in jail?

Why put them in jail? They deserved death for spreading jewish lies so they were given death. I fail to see a problem.

Lucas Foster
Lucas Foster

Yep, they were Communists. Particularly retarded ones too.
spartacus-educational.com/GERwhiterose.htm

According to Elisabeth Scholl, the White Rose group was formed because of the execution of members of the resistance:
We learned in the spring of 1942 of the arrest and execution of 10 or 12 Communists. And my brother said, In the name of civic and Christian courage something must be done.
Let that sink in… "As Christians, we must stand up for these people who would have us killed for being Christians!", fucking insanity.

This leaflet was sent to Sophie Scholl's philosophy teacher, Kurt Huber.
"Huber was neither left-leaning nor Jewish. He was a nationalist conservative, believing in the sanctity of tradition and the importance of the nation."
Kurt Huber was also strongly anti-communist and was unhappy with the passage in the leaflet that said: "The first concern of every German is not the military victory over Bolshevism, but the defeat of National Socialism."
Wait, what?
anti-communist
"The first concern of every German is not the military victory over Bolshevism, but the defeat of National Socialism."
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Scholl agreed and Harnack and suggested that they formed a branch of their group in Berlin.
"They were eager to establish some kind of contact with the anti-Nazi opposition in Berlin, where efforts were being made to bring together the various factions of the resistance - Communist, liberal, conservative-military - into a unified movement with a consensus on aims and action. Falk Harnack had the necessary connections, including contacts with high-ranking army officers."
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

The first draft of the fifth leaflet was written by Sophie Scholl, Hans Scholl and Alexander Schmorell.
Kurt Huber then revised the material. The three men had long discussions about the content of the leaflet.
Huber thought that the young men were "leaning too much to the left" and he described the White Rose group as "a Communist ring".
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Jason Barnes
Jason Barnes

Leaflet 5 appeared after a six-month silence. Hans, Alex, and Sophie had taken counsel of more experienced "propaganda" writers by this time - specifically Falk Harnack. This leaflet - Call to All Germans! - demonstrates greater maturity. It is not nearly as verbose or poetic; as a result, it delivers a far more powerful punch. In this leaflet, they looked beyond the end of the war and dreamed a new Europe.

Falk Harnack
Through his older brother, Harnack early learned about humanism, through which he came into contact with people who later became members of the Red Orchestra.
These acquaintances made a big impression on him, so that he recoiled from Nazi propaganda.

In 1942, Hans Scholl, Alexander Schmorell and other members of the Munich Resistance group the White Rose got in touch with Harnack through Lilo Ramdohr, a mutual friend who had gone to school with Harnack.
Through him, they hoped to build a relationship with the Berlin Resistance members involved with Harnack's brother, Arvid, Harro Schulze-Boysen, Hans von Dohnanyi and others.
Harnack put them in touch with his cousins, Klaus and Dietrich Bonhoeffer.

That same year, the Gestapo intercepted communications revealing the existence of the Red Orchestra and leading to numerous arrests.
Many of those arrested were later executed, including Harnack's brother on 22 December 1942, and on 16 February 1943 his sister-in-law, Mildred Harnack, an American citizen.
During this period, Ramdohr was engaged to Falk Harnack, which Arvid mentioned in his farewell letter to his family, written hours before his execution.

In August 1943 he was removed from service to the Wehrmacht and transferred to a penal battalion, the 999th Light Afrika Division and sent to Greece. In December 1943, he was to be arrested and sent to a Nazi concentration camp, but his superior, Lieutenant Gerhard Fauth, tipped him off and helped him escape.
He then joined the Greek partisans fighting the Nazis, working with the Greek People's Liberation Army (ELAS) and co-founded the Anti-Fascist Committee for a Free Germany with Gerhard Reinhardt, becoming leader of the organization.

The Red Orchestra (German: Die Rote Kapelle) was the name given by the Gestapo to an anti-Nazi resistance movement in Berlin, as well as to Soviet espionage rings operating in German-occupied Europe and Switzerland during World War II.

Schulze-Boysen had been active in opposition to the Nazis before Hitler took power, but then joined the Luftwaffe for "cover". In private, he continued to meet with other anti-Nazis, including Libertas, whom he married in 1936.
Harnack also had a circle of anti-Nazi associates. He joined the NSDAP in 1937 for "cover".
In 1939, the two groups made contact, and began to work together.

The combined group ran the gamut of German society, including Communists, political conservatives, Jews, devout Catholics, and atheists.
Their ages ran from 16 to 86, and about 40% were women.

For the remainder of 1941, the Schulze-Boysen/Harnack group gave most of its intelligence to the United States through the American embassy's monetary attaché, Donald Heath.
Their primary activity was the distribution of leaflets to incite civil disobedience and cause the Nazis to worry about subversion. They also printed and pasted up anti-Nazi stickers in large numbers, and they helped people in danger from the Nazis to escape the country via an Underground Railroad-like network.

Brayden Morris
Brayden Morris

LEAFLET 5

Leaflets of the Resistance Movement in Germany.
Call to all Germans!

The war is coming to its certain end. Just as in 1918, the German government is trying to draw attention to the growing submarine danger, while in the East the armies endlessly retreat and an invasion is expected in the West. America’s mobilization has not even reached its zenith, yet even now it surpasses anything that has gone before in history. With mathe­mati­cal certainty, Hitler is leading the German nation to disaster. Hitler cannot win the war, he can only prolong it! His guilt and the guilt of his assistants have infinitely exceeded all measure. A just punishment grows ever closer!

And what is the German nation doing? It sees nothing, it hears nothing. It is blindly following its seducers to destruction. Victory at any price, that is what they have written on their flags. I will fight to the last man, says Hitler, but yet the war is already lost.

Germans! Do you and your children wish to suffer the same fate as the Jews? Do you wish to be measured with the same measure as your seducers? Shall we forever be the most hated and rejected nation in all the world? No! Therefore, separate yourselves from the Na­tional Socialist subhumanity! Prove with your deeds that you think differently! A new War of Independence is beginning. The better part of the nation is fighting with us. Rend the cloak of apathy that you have wrapped around your hearts! Make up your minds, before it is too late!

Do not believe the National Socialist propaganda that has driven the fear of Bolshevism into your very being! Do not believe that Germany’s salvation[1] is wed to a victory of National Socialism for better or for worse! A band of criminals cannot attain a German victory. Separate yourselves from everything connected to National Socialism while you still have time! Later, all those who hid themselves cowardly and undecided will have to stand before a terrible and just court of law.

What can we learn from the outcome of this war, which was never a national war?

The imperialistic notions of power must be forever rendered harmless, regardless of which side they come from. A one-sided Prussian militarism shall nevermore come to power. The groundwork for reconstruction can only be created in a liberal cooperative effort of European nations. Every centralized power, such as that which the Prussian state has attempted to exert over Germany and Europe, must be nipped in the bud. The Germany of the future must be a federalist state. Only a healthy federalist form of government will be able to breathe new life into a weakened Europe. The working class must be liberated from their menial slavery through a practical form of socialism. The illusion of a self-sufficient economy must disappear from the face of Europe. Every nation, every individual has a right to the goods of the world!

Freedom of speech, freedom of religion, the protection of the individual citizen from the caprice of criminal, violent States – these are the bases of the new Europe.

Support the resistance movement, disseminate the leaflets!

Toooooottally not Communists u guiz.

Dylan Lewis
Dylan Lewis

You still trust Wikipedia, user?

sage for "redpill me" thread

Austin Harris
Austin Harris

student revolts are bullshit. the ones from the 60s caused our demise.

Christopher Jones
Christopher Jones

cuckchan redpill me slides
op is the worst kind of nigger
These are 1940s millennials. Versailles? Morgenthau Plan? Russo-Polish War? We can totally negotiate a separate peace to fight the USSR to a standstill, the Anglo-American (((elites))) are completely reasonable people with common cause against Bolshevism.

Dylan Gutierrez
Dylan Gutierrez

Why were they executed?
Because stupid.

they were part of a resistance network. How you grow up in Germany under these years and still try to be a fucking commie,
They were already Hitler-Youth before Hitler became chancellor.

Why am I not surprised wikipedia shills for them.
Because young and stupid makes good martyrs.
Bonus point, they were really so stupid, their lack of intellectual insight proofed to be no threat for the occupation regime afterwards in contrast to real commies

Quoting extensively from the Bible, Aristotle and Novalis, as well as Goethe and Schiller, the iconic poets of German bourgeoisie, they appealed to what they considered the German intelligentsia, believing that these people would be easily convinced by the same arguments
Ergo young retard know-it-all, who had no intellectuall pull, like fedoras today.

They went full-blown #RESISTTRUMP in fucking 1943, at which point the Eastern front was turned/turning sour…
I already mentioned it, they had no clue, but thought of themselves as savior figures who need to tell the “ignorant” how the world should be run, fedoras.

These are 1940s millennials.
Yes

denounced in a speech male students not serving in the army as skulkers, and had made obscene remarks to female students.
I'd also like more information on this event.
He said the female students were better married and having children instead of siting in university.

It seems the 'obscene' statements was to suggest they shouldn't be in school, wasting resources in wartime, but having children
Told you so

and he added, if necessary, he would arrange for one of his male staff, adding that the female students "would have a pleasurable time of it" or some such.
Hundred percent the truth. Fits right in a time were rapists were executed.

Xavier Clark
Xavier Clark

Abortion is bad from a eugenics standpoint as well since the womb is ruined afterwards due to microchimerism. Both need to be disposed of, the woman is no longer useful and is basically destroyed after abortion anyways may as well put her out of her misery before the infection spreads.

Aaron Gomez
Aaron Gomez

Bunch of communist subverts that were anti-natsoc and against the eugenics programs, planning student rebellions. Funny thing is the eugenics programs in Natsoc Germany were very moderate, compared to progressives in America for example.

Jackson Sullivan
Jackson Sullivan

Good slide thread shlomo.

You even replied to yourself, your buddies did too!

The death of the group was largely an over their treacherous affiliation with other anti-natsoc types.

Chase Brown
Chase Brown

the womb is ruined afterwards due to microchimerism
Our enemies are sterilising themselves, how is this a bad thing?

Jaxson Wright
Jaxson Wright

Why did something bad happen in a time of war?
This is literally the OP

Logan Nelson
Logan Nelson

Thanks for all the answers. I know know they were a mix of christcucks and commies. I wonder why some of you want to sage this when I actually had a legitimate question that got answered. I am now more pro natsoc than I was before. Some of you seem to be against people like me who are curious about natsoc germany. I think Hitler did lots of good things. Why do you sage my questions when I’m asking? Thanks to everyone else. /a newfag possibly future natsoc.

Samuel Gutierrez
Samuel Gutierrez

OP is a shit but this shouldn't be ignored. This is one of the earliest redpills I can remember. My German teacher in the 9th grade, if I remember right, shilled this story. She went on and on for however many weeks we spent on it explaining how tragic and emotional it was. I'm sure whoever is not ironically or being paid to be here will understand the mistake she made.
Their hubris/chutzpa really will be their downfall, not in the least because their good goyim push too hard with the lies they don't know the significance of but have been taught are true.
Although I think only a quarter of the class noticed, excluding the eidetic memory fag, he was his own kind of special, redpilled from birth maybe.

Luke Ward
Luke Ward

Those against a Folkish state are scum who deserve death.

Because all accepted PC groups are liars.

No kidding–look what happened. I would have traitors executed in incredibly brutal ways and flush out more traitors.

it is already lost
Shills, man.

Because you are supposed to lurk for 2 years before posting, newfag. It makes for less of the website being newfag questions. Keep lurking and you will be NS and have less questions.

Kevin Robinson
Kevin Robinson

Mao's Red Guard were also a 'student group'

Traitors deserve to be executed, One of the main reasons why US universities became the brainwashing centres they are now is because nobody stamped out Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) in the 60s before they got huge.
These are marxist subversives spreading treasonous ideas within academia via student groups. That alone needs to be eliminated.

When you have people you know are more than willing to take the opposite side and work against you during a WAR, what are you supposed to do?

Gavin Clark
Gavin Clark

Guys I had to bring this here even tho this is probably not the thread for it. Niggers are literally this dumb.. pic related.. Its fucking 20 degrees out and I just snowed, of course its not fucking packy yet you fucking nogs.

Nathan Gomez
Nathan Gomez

The entire world is converging to destroy their entire nation, their volk and everything they hold dear, and the only thing that they are concerned with is "why can't I be a dyke lesbian and spread shitty economic ideas that never worked?"
So it seems history has repeated itself as of late

William Ortiz
William Ortiz

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