Barney using communism as a bad word

Is Sandman no longer a confirmed slick entryist?

youtu.be/nzHYfzPiruk?t=7m59s

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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I actually do respect him a bit less now. If he was so socialist he'd damn well know better than to call China communist anymore.

He used to be a full on "proletarian revolutionist" back when he was younger, I think he knows full well that China isn't communist in any meaningful sense of the term. He uses it because that's what people will recognize and, you're right, he's not a socialist so he doesn't care anyway.

I mean I think it's mainly an attempt to oppose the "Red Menace" picture being painted by everyone in the media. It could be handled better though.

He's still the best chance the American left has.

He let the establishment bully him into submission at a critical time. We can do better. He's getting pretty old anyway.

I really don't see what he could have done differently. Even trying to get the Greens to 5% would have been an incredible task. (And ultimately I'm not even sure how useful that would have been.)

Entryism means deception.

If he wanted to, he could build a mass labor party about 20x faster than it will otherwise take. Imagine the enthusiasm and excitement of his millennial supporters if he announced such a project. Plus, he already had the necessary grassroots mobilizing in order to do so. He should have ran independent under a new party (an actual labor party - not the Greens).

That being said, I understand that he didn't want to go down in history as the guy that started a new party during an election with Donald Trump. He would have been vilified on a whole new level. Much worse than how the media has treated Nader. So it's a shame Trump won anyway. I always wonder if Bernie might have been a little more courageous if the Republican candidate had been Jeb! or a similar establishment "centrist."

He actually kind of is look at the Liberty Union Party

This except the last part

What's the problem here? China is technically an authoritarian Communist country. It's definitely authoritarian, and it follows socialism with Chinese characteristics, as in, not actually socialism, but they claim it is.

Bernie isn't a Trot, but the PSL certainly are.

You're kidding yourself if you think that amount of nuance is both injected into his statement and gets across to whoever reads it. No one uses North Korea as an example of the dangers of democracy.

They most certainly are not.

This all being said, we have to respect that he wears Macy's suits, right?

Do you ever wonder if we're at the point that people would rather vote for an honest communist than a dishonest porky politician? I've even heard people say that they would in off-hand comments and one of the things people say about Trump is "at least he's honest"

Maybe if there was a communist candidate who railed against everything in blunt language a la Trump but with more evidence and identified as a "socialist."

the levels of self delusion people go to to justify their fanboying of bernie

get over this old fart

When the boomers die out, they will.
Millenials overwhelmingly favor "socialism" over "capitalism" because decades of ceaseless right-wing media and politicians have screamed about "muh socialism" over every little goddamned thing (minimum wage, food stamps, debt relief, public education, etc).

Not that this will make much a difference. It'll be a swing back to the old days when, for example, in Britain the Tories once declared all we in Britin are socialist. But at least it may happen in time for us in the centers of capital to get UBI and so on before the final contediction of capital kills us all.

I'm not saying he isn't a SocDem but the word communism is a career suicide in the US.

he's playing 3289823f89329d chess

I think the insult here is against "authoritarian communist" rather than just "communist".

Can't blame him for being against MLs.
Honestly, they're a huge PR problem.

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How many times does Holla Forums have to be swindled by this social democrat before they realize he is not /ourguy/?

Seems like some of you would have gotten the hint after he started supporting Hillary Clinton.

He's attempting to build some sort of working-class organization, that's how this speech came about. And quite frankly if he tried to establish it in the shadow of a Donald Trump victory it would have died as soon as Trump was declared the winner.

I feel like people really take his success against Hillary for granted. He may be popular but he can't will America to socialism.

To be fair, China would have a much larger prison population and general criminal element than they do now if they didn't carry out mass executions. This general policy combined with memories of how opium did so much to destroy the nation I think keep those numbers down. Not that I think they would necessarily be worse than the US. US justice system is fucked multiple ways due to business interests. The CPC is somewhat more rational or less tightly controlled by business interests than the US government.

Most here don't. Literally only reformist faggots and those new to Marxism/Anarchism keep sucking him off.

Executions don't reduce crime.

The USA is the only Western country still practicing executions, and we have more in prison than any other western country.

When is Bernie going to drop the dead weight known as the democrats and start something worth while?

He literally only endorsed her as the lesser evil, he didn't want Trump so he played the only card left he had that lowered Trump's chances.

Besides that, get any more left than Bernie and America won't give you the time of day, there are countless idiots in this country that unironically think the democratic party alone is rad-left communist. The word "socialism" turns American moderates red real fast.

Municipalism/Democratic Confederalism is the future for america

Look at what he's saying

China is a "Communist" state and they still don't have as many people in jail per capita or totally as the US. Therefore Chinese "Communism" is less authoritarian than burger capitalism.

He's still a socdem(in practice) and at best someone who believes socialism can be voted into reality within a liberal democracy, but it's a pretty good talking point to poke holes in the muh freedom shit you'll get.

This. It's more a criticism of American than it is a criticism of China.

He was always a social democrat and a tool for us. Ernie Anders is nothing.

WTF WHY DID HE BETRAY US?????

Fuck this piece of shit. Just as bad as Trump and Clinton.
And fuck anyone who still supports him