"Hurr hurr why didn't they just fly the eagles to Mordor"

He can't see that far

Gotta love the brainlet may may

He can. Even if he can't, he has thousands of minions scattered everywhere, and several giant territorial birds of prey flying towards his home in a group is a bound to raise some alarms.

Are you retarded? The reason they went inside the mountain in the first place is because Saruman sent a storm that made walking outside nearly unbearable. No shit flight wasn't an option.

After Moria Gandalf just doesn't know where Sam and Frodo are.
In fact, his last words before falling into the pit are "fly, you fools".

Because Sam is a bit subservient to Frodo, isn't smart and his relationship with Frodo is the only thing keeping him from the ring. It is established that hobbits are naturally resilient to the ring's powers, but when the time comes for Sam to give back the ring after saving Frodo, he is seen hesitating for a full minute before doing so.
Frodo trusts Gollum because he sees himself in him. He flat out explains it to Sam, he says that "he has to believe he can still be saved".

Why didn't they get some elf/dwarf blacksmiths to make some contraption that made it impossible to use the ring, or just encase it in a small ball of metal before they sent the Fellowship off to destroy it?

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What would happen of you stuck your dick through the ring?

uhhhhhh well considering it fits on a halfling’s finger…

They could have flown over the mountains discretely enough and landed somewhere where the entire fellowship could have proceeded on foot.

One Dick to rule them all,
One Dick to find them,
One Dick to wet them all
and in their Panties bind them

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It changes shape to accommodate the user, dummy.

Why didn't it change at all when Sam gave it back to Frodo. They don't have the same size fingers, Sam's are fat.

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They couldn't use the eagles, at all, unfortunately. Not to drop it over Mt Doom, not to get to Mordor, not even to get close to Mordor, without blowing their cover and fucking it all up. Eagles are giant flying fuckers, yes, and so if they'd gotten too close or just flown for long enough Sauron would have seen them and figured it all out to send Ring Wraiths at them. Eagles are also huge fucking pussies when it comes to doing anything that doesn't directly benefit themselves, so asking them to do something as bold as fly Middle-Earth's Most Wanted a good thousand miles with the constant risk of being discovered by goddamn magic would be a tough sell, even telling them the fate of the world hangs in the balance because lol we're eagles you figure it out.

The real reason though, aside from all of that– which could have been conceivably worked through, is that eagles are some of the proudest cunts in all the lands. An eagle would shit on you and, if they were in a good mood, grant you permission to thank them for how beautiful it smells– actually they probably wouldn't do that because shitting on you would be a waste of glorious eagle shit. If you'd brought a single eagle along with the fellowship that narcissistic jackass would have made Boromir look like a Buddhist monk on the cusp of Nirvana; one good look at the ring and Sauron would have had the perfect minion. A source of information on their location, an agent to try and get Frodo alone and vulnerable, or even an assassin to RIP AND TEAR and take the ring to Mordor by himself. Having a human in the fellowship was dangerous enough and was more a political action to allow, an eagle would have meant certain failure.

They didn't show it

Spotted the moviefag.

No becouse he was SMARTER. And he was chosen to be adopted for his wits by Bilbo who was also smarter than the rest of the Hobbits.
Sam was more simple and subservient which was established more thoroughly in the books.
Sam would've killed Gollum which pretty much meant that they would've ended somewhere in the Dead Marshes until a Nazgul found it by it's presence.
You're beating a dead horse.But I'll give you a quick rundown:
1. Big fucking eye with a stare that paralyzes and demoralizes opponents
2. Nazguls which are faster and more powerful than eagles
3. Eagles are subservient to Manwe, who along with the other Valar decided that they won't meddle in Middle Earth affair directly of course. they did send Gandalf back after the war of the Wrath.
4. Eagles are not pack animals and are proud.

This. Another thing to consider is that even if they had convinced the eagles to do anything, it wouldn't have helped even a little. Remember the crabain from the first book/movie? That pack of about 50+ crows that all acted as spies for Sauron? They would have shut those eagles down almost instantly.

The ring shattered Gimli's axe effortlessly, and the dwarves take their crafts seriously, especially if it's intended for someone like Gimli who was a descendant in the line of Durin. If it can shred the finest dwarven steel, it would more than likely tear through any other craft the elves or dwarves could conjure up.

Did it have lasers?

I always knew there was reasons why Bejamin Franklin wanted the Turkey as national bird instead of Eagles.

That smart motherfucker knew all along about

The Eagles

what?

He couldn’t do it. The tubby bastard used the thing within minutes of getting it, the one thing they told him not to do. Frodo showed way more forebearance.

In the books he's supposed to have lost a lot of weight by the time they're in Mordor.

I must read them sometime

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now I know this is fantasy

Hey, c'mon, he went all the way down the river to get flowers to his wife, to whom he's been married since God knows when, just to keep the romance going. Tom Bombadil knew his stuff.

Yep.

It's clearly stated that, above it all, what prevented Sam from claiming the Ring was his "spirit of a simple hobbit" - the Ring was trying to corrupt him with fantasies of leading armies to retake Mordor and turn it into a flourishing garden, but that kind of temptation wouldn't work on a guy like Sam, who preferred to do his own labor.

Blame that fucking fat Goonie for not properly acting his character.

Since when?

Makes sense to me

Nah he's the spirit of the Earth itself, God is up in Heaven still kind mad at Morgoth for being a cunt and ruining his plans.

kind of mad*

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What about a catapult?

Sam would have eaten it tbh

Since always. He was Bilbo and Frodo's gardener and was even given some soil from Lothlorien to farm in the Shire with.

A more important question is why was Sam allowed to stay in Middle Earth when everyone else who was alive and had handled the ring, Frodo and Bilbo, were quietly and unceremoniously exiled by Gandalf and the elves?

They weren't exiled. They had the choice to leave and took it. Sam simply stayed and crushed that sweet hobbit puss after he came home.

Frodo said that it was because he was a ring bearer that he had to leave Middle Earth.

Sam eventually ends up in the undying lands.

Yes because he was dying due to the stress of carrying it for so long and the wound he had suffered from the Morgul blade.

Why not get 50 eagles as an escort? They didn't need more than 2 for 1 eagles on nazgul to keep them busy, and then they could sneak in the 19th one to the volcano while the eagles are fighting the nazguls. Or hell, use 5 eagles versus every nazgul, and get the 46th eagle with frodo to jump into the volcano. Or hell, put a ring around the 46th eagle's neck and kill him when he gets atop the volcano so that he falls into the lava with the ring on it.

Come to think of it, why not put the ring on a necklace around an animal's neck? Put it around a fucking horse and start running.

Any flying servant of Sauron or Saruman would fly back and warn them of the Eagles approach. The Eye of Sauron would ensnare them in mid-air and the Nazguls could do a lot of damage even if all 9 fell. Then Mount Doom would simply be locked off. It had to be in secret.

The films undo this aspect, in the books Sam does indeed leave after Rose (his wife) dies. Gandalf's mission was to stop Sauron, the Elves are too few and keep thinking of the sea. Gimli and Legolas are dear friends so Gimli gets to leave with him. Frodo and Bilbo suffered the Ring and Frodo had the injury from the Ringwraiths. Sam carried it but for a short time but even he still had the hurt the Ring bestows upon its bearers.

i skipped all scenes with the manlets and only ever watched the battles.
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hang on, it's never shown that the eye has physical powers such as ensnaring flying creatures
how? if they could close it off why didnt they during the final battle against aragorn and his 9 buttbuddies and his army of ghosts?
such as? only the nazguls are shown as a real flying threat, unless I'm forgetting some soldiers

Why didn't they just give it to Sauron, they are racist against orcs thats why

Didn't Gandalf also rule out giving the ring to him because he was afraid he wouldn't care enough about the ring and misplace it somewhere?

These are the only true answers.
Who gives a shit you fucking nerds, LOTR was meant to be a shitty block buster to turn your brain off on, not some arthouse flick that requires needless analcyst.

Then why didn't the ring destroy the necklace Frodo used to wear it around his neck?

Because the ring knew Frodo was going all the way to Mordor. It meant to abandon him around there so it would be found and taken to Sauron.

I meant the proverbial sense. Once Sauron's Eye lands on you, you feel overwhelmed and unable to think straight.

I'm sure Sauron would devise some way to block it off. Aragorn's whole ploy was to bait Sauron's ego into an attack. His hatred of the Westernesse men would cloud his judgement. He also believed the Ring to be in Minas Tirith and under Aragorn's guard. He never imagined any would intrude into Mordor to destroy the Ring at Mt. Doom itself nor did he think any would even be able to enter the land.

The crows? The ones who spy on the Fellowship.

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t.Red dick

I really hate the hipster concept of making everything some twisted evil act. People who held the ring were allowed to go to the undying lands with the elves. It wasn’t some grimdark act where they had to leave. Both Bilbo and Frodo were fucked up by the ring but Sam had a family and was okay.

Poor Sauron.

Sam left later on.

LotR is a bit of a lighter tale than the Silmarillion. Plenty of women are captured to be Morgoth's/Melkor's slaves. Sauron I imagine had some as well.

bumpo

Yes. He said Tom had no interest in it and would just lose it.

No shit retard, after his kids were grown and Rosie was dead.

why didn't god just make morgoth do what he wanted

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There's a line in the fucking movie about that as well.

friendly reminder to ignore eagle posts

LOTR was objectively mediocre writing and it stands head and shoulders above the rest of its peer in the genre. Fantasy and Science Fiction are blights on literature and the fanboys who inflict their autism on the world disgust me.

What about a catapult?

explain this, tolkienfags

What's an example of good writing?

Does that even count as a threat? Crows are fuckin week. Creepy and smart. But weak.

What's the random lines supposed to represent

Sam and Frodo were only able to get through Mordor because Aragon had baited Sauron to empty his lands of his armies, leaving the lands empty.

yellow route is halfway and then on foot
red roote is long way to mordor and they wont be seen

by the time aragorn was at the black gate, sam and frodo were already at the bottom of mt. doom

Why didn't that wizard guy just use his magic to teleport the ring there and save the hobbit whaddayacallits a trip?

Tolkein is totally over-rated and so is Peter Jackson. The only good thing in those mpvies were the shots of New Zealand.

You're such a pleb.

the movie is set in middle earth dumbass

This. Or to dumb it down even further:

There's a reason they didn't fly the eagles in until after Sauron died.

As for Sam, why do you think Gandalf insisted he go? Sam's motivation for going was wanting to protect his friend. The purity of his spirit and reason for going is why he was able to avoid being tempted by the ring.

IIRC, he leaned into a river to take a drink. She saw his beard and thought it was cute, so she tugged him into the river as a joke. In turn he carried her out of the river, took her home and fucked her. They've been married ever since.

More like Chad Bombadil.

You see that giant feather in his hat? The all blue suit and oversized snow boots? His distinctive swagger?

Tom's a pimp. The ring didn't effect him because he had superior bling and his pimp hand was too strong. He could see you if you wore it because a pimp's eyes must discern a hoe's lies.

Gandalf didn't insist that Sam went with the Fellowship; he did it with Merry and Pippin. Sam was chosen by Elrond, after he snuck into the Council and revealed himself when Frodo volunteered to take the Ring to Mordor.

Sauron was probably raking on Numenorean pussy during the days of Ar-Pharazon. He probably fucked Tar-Ancalimë (Pharazon's wife) right in front of him.

Harry Potter, obviously.

Yes, but Sauron already had emptied his domains to send all his forces to the Black Gate while they were travelling. They found the roads to Mount Doom emptied because of that, since Sauron was certain that Aragorn had the Ring and was ready to assault Mordor using its power.

As soon as Aragon revealed himself on the Palantír, right after the battle on Helm's Deep, Sauron started frantically moving his troops westward, and as a result, his first assault on Gondor was weaker than it could have been, and they barely managed to withstand it.

In fact, that was the key part that Aragon played - because Sauron was so scared of the One Ring being used against him, he sent out the Nazgul to scout the Gondorian encampments after the Battle of Pelenor - and the Nazgul were the only ones that could have detected the Ring approaching Mount Doom. By sending his best units to scout, Sauron made a classical mistake that every RTS game knows pretty well - send a strong unit to scout, and you won't have it to fight for you where it's needed. Sauron needs to git gud in the future.

Also, since Sauron is a tierfag who only thinks about power levels, he never assumed his enemy, the King of Gondor, would give up the One Ring. he couldn't conceive of someone not wanting power, so he assumed Aragorn and his ilk had it, which is why the feint worked.

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Pretty sure Sauron is just a fart in the wind, I don't recall him popping back up in the final days.

Based. 5 stars.

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So Boromir did nothing wrong

True. Tolkien was just a pussy who thought beating evil with evil was bad.

movie board mate, book canon doesn't matter here.

Aragorn spoke to Sauron on the palantir after the battle of pellenor

wuh

uh no, he's supposed to be one of the beings who fights on the last battlefield alongside melkor according to the prophecies, he was melkors first general after all.

Because it is, what happens when you beat sauron with the ring even if you managed to, you think they are just gonna go and destroy it? Fuck no, sauron is the ring for all intents and purposes, he would just work his will through the bearer and start the cycle all over again

The film was shot in New Zealand. All the scenic shots are of New Zealand.

Also, anyone above the age of 15 who is unironically a fan of those films needs to grow up. You're all man-children. And you're objectively worse than the star-wars man-children and the Harry Potter man-children.

Lord of the Rings is basically the odyssey or beowulf of our time, if you can't appreciate it you are a melanated swarthy beast who needs to go back to the dark jungle you crawled out of.

It's literally a childrens book. My teacher read it to the class when I was in Grade 2 at primary school.

You're embarrassing yourself.

Wrong.
It's closer modern pop-culture nerd-fodder like harry potter or doctor who than the classics.
Compare Tolkien's books to the kind of stuff made by folks like Wagner for contrast.

This is like a rule 34 thing. There exists one for every situation

It's just a meme joke spouted by retards that didn't pay attention during the movie or gave any thought to what was happening. They had to somehow miss a 20 minute long scene discussing how to deal with the ring and why it is important to deliver it to the mountain covertly. Movie also has Sauron represented as a gigantic flaming eye Monitoring Mordor.

Dwarves making the contraption would have to interact with the ring. That would risk Dwarven craftsmen getting corrupted by it, and eventually to ring falling in Sauron's hands.

Ring can fit a wielder, but it is also likes to play tricks on its wielders. It would be either:
Or
Or

How about you fucking go back to africa.

no one care's nerd lmao >>>/tg/

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Tolkein at least has major strengths to go with his weaknesses. Jackson directed it at a made-for-tv level. holy hell most of the action in the film looks worse than an episode of Xena warrior princess.

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Not even close to an argument, Tolkien never had children in mind writing LOTR, that was the hobbit, LOTR is a book written about the battle against despair, and the triumph and tales of western civilization, none of which is understood by children who are just entertained by the fantasy elements. LOTR being enjoyed by children and teens is one of the biggest memes, they don't enjoy or understand the weight of it, most are just forced to read it by their school or to fit into "geek" culture, if you can't see how important of a story it is in relation to European history and mythology, you're likely a nonwhite as I said.
also they read greek myths at that level too, I suppose that don't make them epics?

Wrong, those books are popculture trash that have no world building or essence of faith to them, try again.

Something that bothered me about the ring, putting on the Ring makes the wearer invisible and that's it apart from Sauron. So is that the only power of the ring for anyone apart from Sauron? To turn the wearer invisible, also making them insane?

What I mean is, does it not give them super strength like Sauron in the first battle scene of The fellowship of the ring, before Isildor cut his hand off.

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I think the potential it has depends on the wearer.

That map is completely retarded and wrong. If the Valar didn't want men in Valinor, they wouldn't have left an ice bridge connecting it to Middle Earth. Also, it's written that you could see Tol Eresea from Numenor, but not Valinor, but judging by that retarded map you'd either be able to see both or neither. Also, if Tol Eresea is that fucking close to Valinor, how come it was called the Lonely Isle due to being so far from Valinor? And if Harad is on the Western coast of Middle-Earth, how come men from Harad are called Easterlings as often as they're called Southrons? And of course there's the fact that the Lamps of the Valar had already been destroyed by the time Middle Earth was created.

It's just mind-bogglingly wrong.

What fucking age is this map supposed to represent?

If I remember it correctly the ring has a more powerful effect the more powerful the wearer is. This is why Gandalf was scared of it but Bombadil was so powerful the ring didn't effect him. He was however slaying the most beautiful puss in the entire world so he couldn't careless about some virgin quest about throwing rings into mountains.

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That was so lame but I actually lol'ed

The men of Rhûn are the easterlings

bump

hahahahaha

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I can tell neither one of you has actually read the Oddyssey or Beowulf. I doubt if you guys have ever read anything written before 1700 besides Shakespeare.

No, Lord of the Rings is not comparable to an epic poem. An epic poem is a poem. LOTR is prose. A faithful translation of the Oddyssey should carry a sense of rhythm, because the story itself is supposed to be one gigantic song. Things like sentence structure, alliteration, and rhyme all add to the artistry of an epic poem, and thus you'll never truly grasp the story unless you master the language it was originally written in. LOTR is not a work of art on the level of an epic poem, and Tolkien never intended for it to be so. Certain sections of the Silmarillion make an attempt at be like an epic poem, which is why it's divided into songs, but Christopher fucked up and for the most part just aped Edith Hamilton's "mythology" writing style while translating his father's notes into stories. If Tolkien had lived long enough he would have attempted to make something comparable to Hesiod's Theogony out of the Silmarillion, but he didn't, and thus never released anything on the level of any epic poem.

It's not an epic poem that LOTR tries to emulate. It's an Arthurian legend. Seriously, go and read Mallory's Le Morte de Arthur. Archaic verbiage, pages so dense that if you skim a page while tired you'll have no idea what's going on for the rest of the book, long tangents about things that normalfags would find "boring" while skimming over the battles. And of course, lots of emphasis on the importance of monarchy, on heritage, and on chivalrous values like mercy. Tolkien was very familiar with Arthurian mythology, and he very naturally wanted to emulate it while writing what he intended to be a distinctly British legend.

So, no, not as high as the great epics. But definitely pretty high for something written after 1900. It's safe to say that the only work written since LOTR that even approaches it is Cordwainer Smith's Instrumentality of Mankind universe. Oh, but Tolkien did have children in mind when writing LOTR, just not in the way you think. The Hobbit was written for children, and LOTR was written for those same children under the assumption that they were now young adults. So, as high as LOTR is, it's still just YA lit.

The map is from long before "God" came down and sunk Nuemenor. It's before men walked Middle Earth I think. Yes there was an Ice bridge before the undying lands were moved by "God" to a different plane of existence.

why do people hold poetry to such high regard? It's such a gimmicky lame way of writing that gets in the way of the actual story, it's like how negros thinks rhyming is the highest form of music

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It's asoyboy meme for brainlets. Anyone who read the books and wasn't a total brain-dead rightard cumskin would get it.

why didn't tolkien write an actual good narrative instead of being autistic about languages, songs, and locations?

So if Sauron got the One Ring and remade his body and then went on a rampage across Middle Earth what do you think the fight between him and Tom Bombadil would look like?

Morgoth was too strong, his presence alone disturbed the universe.

Because his body was cursed and slowly burning away, happened in the first book no less.

The fuck?

Not only that, but Eru moved elf-land into its own special universe only elves can get to.

The ring makes mortal men invisible because it connects them to the "world of the dead" which they alone, being mortal, have access to out of all the races. Remember, hobbits are a species of man.
Moreover, as other's mentioned, the power the ring grants the wielder is dependent on the abilities and nature of the person who wears it as well.

Better yet, why didn't they just make guns?

you need to work on your pitch

Obviously it can't or they never would have made it inside mount doom.
How far do you think that beam can go, dipshit? They don't need to fly right into the fucking mountain. They could have easily skipped most of the journey.

Because he would fall under its influence and will do some selfish and very small and stupid shit (like it suits his small and stupid nature of gardener) ruining mission.

Its context. It myth of era of kings and knights, the higher your birth the high your potential to perform feats. Its not like in your America where "everyone are born equal". But been born as commoner goof in the land of commoner goofs you look from another POV and can't comprehend this.

No, nigger, bad nigger. Stop.
Tolkien said the hobbits were "ordinary people" (they are basically peasants who work the fields, live in villagers, and lead simple lives) and TLOR was a story about how it's (literally) the little people that can do the greatest deeds and show the greatest courage and strength in the face of evil.

Yeah. But thats why we left Europe isnt it. Sure we didnt completly escape the aristocrats over here. But we damn sure tried and will try!

Boromir was big enough to defeat Sauron. But also he was big enough to replace Sauron.

And we have story about these ordinary people who have hobbit from very prominent lineage and his dumb (what is good) gardener (who works in the field again?). Its just hobbits didn't played into war and king games much (so simple people) and didn't handled out official titles. But they still effectively had them. In the beginning Bilbo got into the story in the first place because he was born into it, because Baggins family name was known to folks already for ages.

Well Bilbo Baggins started the story. Frodo Baggins finished it.

You really made me think.

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The eagles would have been shot to death by the forces within mordor, or the nazgul Who had more powers in the books than what was displayed in the movies, or by sauron himself since he had remanifested his body at that point.

It completely depends on the wearer. It's a magic ring.
Hobbits f.e. become invisible because they are by nature stealthy creatures that don't want interactions with foreigners.
Men who desire power f.e. Boromir get completely power mad, strong and charismatic.
Gandals of Saruman would become extremely manipulative and extremely wise.
Sauron gets the material form to dominate life and the dread that emanates from it.
Bombadil who doesn't give a shit about it or desires nothing more that the sweet sweet tits of his blonde wife can't get ensnared by it.

Eagles have same problem as giving ring to anyone with big powers.

So I have the ring and didn't even know it.

D-Daisy?

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As per the books, out of memory:

1) It stops aging. Bilbo who wore it for around a decade in total time and lived a few decades longer than normal hobbits.
Also Gollum is 600 years old.
2) Improves vision in the darkness. Frodo notices that when they travel through Moria.
3) Improves all senses in fact, hearing in particular. Sam notices that when he wears it in Mordor to save Frodo, he hears orcs talking through thick walls.

Most importantly however, unlocking the full potential of the Ring needs time. If you only wear it for 5 minutes you ain't getting shit from it. And if you're not strong enough, which anyone barely is, it will corrupt you like what happened to Gollum, who by the way for being a hobbit he could easily kill a man without the Ring.

The ring transports it's wearer to the unseen world, as a maia Sauron already exists in the unseen world