Do you support

Do you support


Welp, it looks like you are a fascist.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist_Manifesto

Fascists are just left-wing authoritarians that don't rely on Marxism.

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No.

Full communism only.

Do you support


Welp, looks like you're a communist.

[Everyone else] are just left-wing [buzzword] that dont rely on marxism.

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Just give it up and accept it.

Fascists support private property.

This makes them liberals who like to drone on loudly about the fatherland.

Socialists don't.

You can be a leftist and support private property, idiot.

I support full automation, the abolition of the nation-state, wage labour and religion, so no.

No, you really can't. It's sort of the dividing point between liberals and leftists.

Socdems aren't leftists. They get along better with Fascists.

Everyone disagrees with you.

Your idiot ass is just so far left it seems that way.

No they don't.

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No. I do like what was outlined in the Doctrine of Fascism. Minus the state part, which role would be served by an organic worker councils.


Collective ownership of capital does not rule out some level of private property.

m8 you have no fucking idea what private property is.

It's not the relationship between you and an object characterized by exclusive use or occupancy - this is personal property.

Private property is a relation between two or more individuals that entitles one to extract surplus value (or derive value from the work of someone else) due to this spooky right of property. Collective ownership of capital DOES rule out any kind of PRIVATE property entirely. Personal property, however, is fine.

Fascists don't believe this - they're soft social liberals (when it suits them) with authoritarian methods and spooky nationalist rhetoric.

Incidentally, this means that the division between private and property doesn't have to do with the nature of the object itself, but rather its role in society.

For example, a toothbrush can be both under different circumstances. If you just use it for yourself to clean your teeth or your shoes or your toilet or stimulate your prostate or whatever, it's functioning as personal property. If you privatize the use of your toothbrush by starting a shoe-shine booth and hire a labourer who does not own a toothbrush to use your toothbrush to shine shoes, getting customers to pay you a fee which you use to buy his labour, then your toothbrush is private property. The idea isn't that you shouldn't have a relationship of exclusive use to an object, it's rather the privatization aspect that communists and socialists have a problem with - the use of property rights to exploit.

This also means that something that was at some point considered to be private property could become personal property - take computers, for example, which went from massive devices costing millions of dollars to something that everyone can afford. Consequently, there's nobody who's able to profit off your back today because they own a computer because you can just buy one for yourself.

You forgot to mention that those are yellow unions but yeah.
Stalin made that very clear

marxists.org/archive/murphy-jt/1930/01/social-fascism.htm

Fascist are Radical Centrists, 3rd Positionists.
Neither Socialist nor (Liberal) Capitalist and FDR was one of them.

I support gov't and corporate accountability which would be necessary for any of the things you list, fascism doesn't have that, back to Holla Forums

Wrong

Centre-left at best, left and far left want socialism.

That's way too much, it should be 4 or 5 hours at most.

No. We must abolish wage slavery.
lmao
What did he mean by this?

#feelthebern

that's a euphemism fascists use for fascism

they claim to be anti-capitalist as well as anti-communist, yet they side with capitalists

What you say vs what you actually do

Never trust a fash, the only answer to a fash is the bash

Nope.
Communists are against money.

They're Capitalists in practice but not in principle, they're opportunists, which is why i left "Liberal" in parenthesis.

what do you use instead?

Can someone post the comic alone?
It's very good

As in they maintain property rights not in belief of their divine nature or their inherent fairness (see jews) but for the sake of social stability.

Labour vouchers are the most common suggestion

cummies

Thanks. I stand corrected.

Yet what about syndicalism? What if the workers (who are also the owners) collectively buy raw materials, turn those into goods and sell them at a profit?
That's both capitalist and socialist at the same time.

Please see:

Jesus. This is why I hate Holla Forums… you guys just… idk. your just Holla Forums.

So money. Goddamn, communism is retarded.

That's so midst 20th century
We should be at 6 hours today.
besides that, got it covered. OP is a faggot, sage and report.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_voucher
No

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Money circulates. Vouchers are more like a unit of account.

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Ok, I see. So it's intended to represent value purely designed for the consumption of goods and services. And the means of production are owned by the state right? Why not go all the way and be Nazi then?

because Nazis maintained private property you fucking dipshit.

Why bumplocking this thread?

Why not?

Is there no private property in communism? What about homes?

Because it's ontopic deb8.

there is a difference between Personal Property and Private Property

So Nazis just not let jews/non-citizens have private property? Sounds like a very elegant solution.

Private Property means the means of production which are owned privately

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Doesn't surprise me.

Leftism can only thrive in safe spaces.

Thread locked? Hilarious coming from a board that constantly whines about Holla Forums being a torture chamber. Hypocrisy at its finest.

read


for the difference between private & personal property.

It's not locked, you gibbering retard.

It is bump locked.

Right, that's what "ownership of property by non-governmental legal entities" means.

No it isn't. That definition is unworkable because property is left undefined and up to the reader to imagine. An ignoramus who reads that might conclude that private property is when something other than the state owns things like toothbrushes or PCs.

we're still here bb, don't mind the lock.

This shows that the general idea that fascists are the "evil ultra-right-wingers" is false. The Fascists were a reform movement, partially composed of co-opted nationalist syndicalists.

Fuck no.

I guess, but we're on lefty/pol/ so that's not really an issue. :^)

No because setting workday length on some arbitrary standard is retarded
No because i don't support wage labor
No because I don't support privately owned capital
No because representative democracy is cancer designed to keep power in the hands of the elite
The fuck does this even mean?

Nice argument.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

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Aside from unions, no not at all

fascist unions are yellow unions.