Can leftypol in any way explain to me how their system would survive open borders?

can leftypol in any way explain to me how their system would survive open borders?

you need nationalism, social cohesion, high trust, peacefulness for any sort of socialism to work. homogenous societies are far better equipped for this than multicultural/tribal/imperial/globalist.

an example of this are the kibbuts in Israel. they succeeded not because of proletarian comradeship but because of high trust, ethnic "pure", religious inspired people with a common goal, ideology, religion, culture, ethnicity.

you will not achieve anything with letting in a milion 'refugees' ever year who desire nothing but handouts and a follow a backwards cult.

The main reason why immigrants are coming to 1st world is poverty. Fix that and they have no reason to leave their homes.

LOL

what about wars

Stop tethering Race to Nation, nazi shitposter.

spooky af fam. borders have almost nothing to do with nations and ethnicities.

but why can't they fix it theirselves?

and more important, it aren't the people who cause it that are suffering. it are your average working class people who get themselves surrounded by immigrants who see them as infidels, their women and daughters as whores and their existence as degenerate.

Wars are born of poverty, as well.

oh sorry for asking a questio you absolute mong.

you shoud be happy that your constant spamming of Holla Forums made me come to this place for discussion.

great contribution to the conversation spastic

Fix nationalism and there is world peace.

Why is it our job to fix poverty in another country?

but not all wars are caused by ationalism. imperialism, ideological/religious strife are at the moment far more dangerous no?

Can Holla Forums in any way explain to me how their system would survive without spooks?

you could ask that question to literally every person who doesn't believe in "anarcho nihilism"

no man is an island

Religion is cured by decent education. The biggest problem in this world is nationalism not capitalism.

Correct. Instead help them build a mode of production that won't perpetuate endless wars for oil that lead to refugee crises and fuel religious fundamentalism.

education is a spook

fpbp
You're a fucking retard if you think the only reason immigration is an issue is because

Because immigrants will come anyway. Migration will happen. Human history is made of migration, and borders open or not, they will come. Legally or illegally. Human beings will move, en masse, when their lives are bad and they perceive that they could be better elsewhere.

People move, in general, for economic reasons; poverty, joblessness, lack of social security. Or they move because they are at risk, from war or other political issues. Most migrants did not want to be migrants.

The only solution to the nationalists' sentiments is international socialism. Only when all the people of the world have enough food, water and shelter, have safety, security and are free - only then will the floods of migration actually slow down, and diminish, until the only travelers are people who want to travel, not people fleeing to find a home.

This argument is as retarded as AnCraps thinking immigrants will stop coming once there's no welfare.

But people have lived in deserts for thousands of years, and when those places were in peaceful and prosperous times, migration was low.

Oh the naivety.

you realize that there are going to be 4bilion people in africa at the end of the century?

and you realize that in those "thousands of yeears of propserity and peace" which is quite a revision of history and biology, there were less than 100 000 000 people in all of africa?

I didn't say the prosperity and peace lasted thousands of years. I said that during times of prosperity and peace, migration is lower.

Yes, there are more people in Africa now than there were in previous periods of history. I don't really see what that adds to the argument.

you realize that there have been less immigrants in england between 1066 and 1960 than in the single year of 2013?

not taking cultural differences, religion, ethnicity,… into the equation

China has 146 people per square km
India has 441 people per square km
If Africa had 4 billion, that would be around 132 people per square km.

Yeah, because a) world population is growing as a whole, so of course the numbers would be higher, b) it's a lot easier to migrate long distances now so people will come from afar to literally the best places in the world, rather than going to somewhere nearby and marginally better as they would have done historically, and c) we are better at recording immigration now, as the concept of the nation state didn't really exist for half the period you're talking about, and Frenchmen moving into German areas and vice versa, happened all the time as trade, jobs, and political change came and went.

So basically make everywhere equally shit

…or equally good?

That poverty is CAPITALISM'S fault, porky. Read a fucking book and maybe you'd know that.

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Implying immigration is a bad thing. National states need to be destroyed.

and poverty in that countries is often because of 1st world
look at global warming
or at america stealing oil and petrodollar
or how america with europe destroyed Libya

white people will have to pay for that

Holy shit are some people this stupid

They are projecting four billion retarded Africans swarming the planet good luck fixing that without nukes.

This is your brain on capitalism.

Borders matter, race matters, breeding matters.

You can anti imperialist nationalism with a diverse population though, the USSR did this

Kill yourself, you're just as bad as the people you hate

This is why you end up getting shot by nationalists every time.

Like I said, kill yourself.

Like i said, nationalists always ending up shooting you dead no one in significant numbers wants to spend their life educating retarded Africans.

Fixed that for you

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Explain how we are going to drag 4 billion retarded Africans out of poverty without pissing off 1 billion Europeans. I'll even do you a favor and ignore Asia

You are like a screaming toddler who thinks he is winning an argument with an adult.
No one takes you seriously.

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