A wierd type of shilling going on here lately

It's hard to describe it, I've seen this happen before, it was just as confusing then. I'm sure those of you (legitimate) anons lurking here have noticed it. Posts that lack any sort of…..coherency. You may read a post that starts off logical, then descends into either absurdity or disinfo (for lack of a more generalized word). Or a post that is an utter mess of truth, lies, and lunacy mixed together. Threads getting derailed by these odd types of posts to the point where whatever the original subject (regardless of whether or not it was anything legitimate or outright disinfo) is lost in an incomprehensible sea of certain truth, lies and dubious information. Threads are largely becoming unreadable.

If I were to take a guess, I would say the entire point is to not push one agenda or another, but instead to simply cause mass confusion and derailment. Discerning shills from legitimate anons is not anywhere near as easy as usual now thanks to this. I'm assuming something happened recently that sparked this latest bout of bizarre-type shilling, but I can't discern what exactly…….

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twitter.com/guacmanofficial
twitter.com/SFWRedditVideos

Hey POL I need your help, I accidentally 6 million Jews. What should I do, is this dangerous?(BOT WAS UNPLUGGED FOR THIS POST)

Its jewgle or whatever alphabet agency's new AI shillbots

Exhibit A (and first post, as usual, on top of that). Although this one's much more obvious.

Them being AI could explain it, a lot of these posts don't seem like they came from a person now that I think about it, more like a computer jumbling a bunch of words into some semblance of text.

you have a filter button for a reason. make liberal use of it.

As if they are larping as "Nazis" while actually being knowledgeable about the subject matter then slowly doing some consensus cracking, pretending they have been here for a while telling you to ignore any inquiry or discouraging all threads that do not result in circle jerking?

It's a Python bot, just report it.

WHEN IN DOUBT
follow the guide.

Truthfully we are nearing the basics of a psyop. In war one is to kill the opposition. The easiest way to do this is to use the fog of war to your advantage. Force your enemy to have to decide for themselves who the enemy is.
There is no enemy if everyone is the enemy.
They had better be careful however, many anons were born into chaos. The fog of war is our home.

this reminds me of pontypool. we should name this AI. "pontypool" I say this is a good idea because I made the anti shill image and I get cred for that.

They're called bot posts, OP. They're not that hard to describe. And yes, the point of them is to hamper discussion by fucking up a thread's signal-to-noise ratio.

is it the owls ?

why don't you make like a liberal and go the mcfuck to a library?

And speaking of incoherent posts, lay off the drugs nigger.

My guess is Soros dumping a bunch of his cash into his organization for laundering: archive.fo/9sG23
Lot of bot-power you can buy with a chunk from a resource pool of 18 billion


Heiling trips of truth, this method of disruption is ultimately ineffective against a seasoned user. You can't be confused into questioning the sincerity of your "allies" beliefs if you've never had any clear allies to begin with.

I'm a grad student who studies AI methods for a few things. The assumption that this is an AI is a good guess, but it's a little off.

The behaviors you're describing sound like the type of thing to come out of a Markov Chain instead of a proper AI. An AI's output has a lot more coherence to it, but a Markov Chain's output only depends on the previous thing it said.

They probably wrote a lot of canned responses and trained the Markov Chain just enough to make it somewhat sensible, but not quite.

See next post.

This poster is almost certainly the type of bot I just described. It may respond to being directly called a bot, because it's a Markov Chain. It knows that the correct response to being called a bot is denial.

It knows that the correct response to seeing the word "liberal" in a post is to randomly insult someone, but it doesn't know why. It only takes the previous state and makes a response based off of that, instead of reading anything else in context.

If it was a human or even an AI, it would also respond to the above post. It's not; it's a Markov Chain.

The real question is how the bots get past the captcha.

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Pajeet captcha solving service.

The number of bots posting here are greatly overestimated. The ones that do post here are almost always really shitty.

Holy shit.

Lots of ways:

1) Human runs the bots and watches them to make sure that they don't get jammed on the Captcha.

2) You can train a Convnet to get through the captcha easily, but I don't think that's it, given the low speech capabilities of the bot.

3) Enough bots all at once to get through the captcha often enough to fuck with us (not likely, it's more costly than humans.)

so are we for or against the removal of NN? I see a lot of posts that mirrior T_D threads over on reddit echoing the same "roy moore is innocent, obama ruined the internet now we are free" voice.

The whole "pizzagate" fiasco was exactly that and it worked.(Astroturf)

If this was any other thread, I'd call you some sort of nonperson. Because this is a bot thread, I'll refrain.

Think for yourself. I don't like the removal of Net Neutrality laws because ISPs are kiked as fuck, but I also don't like doing free political activism for Jewgle, Kikebook, and Kosherflix.

I don't see ISPs caring enough to squish us particularly, because the shekels aren't there. The shekels are in throttling Kosherflix, Jewgle, Kikebook.

Anyone asking for a concensus on Holla Forums is a non person to begin with. You are human, you have free will if you're not AI. You either come to your own conclusions and fight with facts or show your tits. It is the way it has always been and the way it should always be.

As far as the shilling you're talking about, the Goons do a lot of it, where they just concentrate on muddying the waters and refuse to engage in logic. It's a disorienting experience, but once you recognize it it's easily dealt with.

Only solution involves ovens…

wasn't the intention of netflix to bring a streaming service to a userbase that couldn't access their shows because the jews controlling the cable company wouldn't branch off? that was it's sole purpose when it first started and it took off so they decided to play nice with it and sink their claws in for the goyim munz.

only problem with the state of affairs atm is that american internet service is absolute shit compared to other countries and we are getting jewed, idk how NN being nuked will affect this and i'm not smart enough to think of every scenario where the consumer lucks out.

i think a lot of people are ignoring what took place prior to NN or the shills are trying to say nothing bad has ever happened. they don't remember a time when aol charged by the minute to use their services or when phone companies blocked apps because they had something similar in the works.

either way i think 4chan has been full of shills since the hacker known as 4chan made his public appearance on CNN

This seems like a bot thread .

Hundreds of posts that are either image dumps or incoherent threats.

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this is an example of a post i just skim over and basically don't read

same with

anyone priming with any sort of absolutism or absolutist language I just don't bother reading any more
and anyone with wishywashy noncommittal statements also waste my time
I usually look for posts that involve no appeals to authority (themselves, as an user.. who gives a fuck) and begin with some sort of vulnerable statement, offering of knowledge that a person wouldn't benefit from saying and isn't about anyone but themselves. for example, something showing the ability for self-reflection and consideration. if an user doesn't demonstrate this by revealing something even slightly vulnerable about themselves, or apparently vulnerable, then i presume an idiot, shill or bot.

It's simple. The captcha was put in place by the cripppled drug addict to punish legitimate users while actual spammers and bots can walk right around it.

It's gotten really bad, to the point I just come here to see headlines really. There is just too much shit to sift through to get to the pith anymore. It's a fucking labor and I just don't have time for it. Unless it's a really important topic/event, then I'll give it a goof lurk.
It's sad but I get better and broader information on halfchans /ptg/ alone these daystheyre a funner bunch as well.

Have you tried doing any research whatsoever on it, or do you just listen to reddit and other soros-funded sources when they tell you net jewtrality is good?

I can tell this is a human being, and I read this post.

Don't forget metal gear allows one kike to control 10 aliases.

the donald is leaking

Are you implying Soros soesn't fund things or what's your point?


Stop derailing with NN shit. There are threads in the catalog you can open right now without dragging it into this one.

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I'm implying that the masonic Jim is giving them the key. Why bother solving something with bullshit that costs money if you've got the site owner that probably enjoys filipino pizza daily?
Ever wondered why Imkikey even had the mod position?

Pretty sure they are testing their AI on here, priming it for kike book and jew tube.


Mass brainwashing through bot online is the future for them. People don't trust "authorities" anymore, so they are going to push their propaganda online like its your neighbor saying it.

People trust their neighbor now more than the police or politicians. So the bots will be the Jews pets, and will act as your neighbor.

im saying the donalds all spout about soros' involvement but no one else has reported a single thing. id be more open to the idea of soros being in control if the donald and alex jones werent the only sources, sorry.

this is your BO

Well a company he funds was directly tied to shilling for NN. Like $160mil. I forget which one and I didn't save the image but his hand is in that pie.

Also Netflix, he owns so much of that and they were really banking on NN article II.

Really earning that paycheck.

I have seen a fair amount of this kind of shilling. In addition, there is a more sophisticated shilling I have seen. The shill begins by taking a minor political dispute, usually over a political label and then blows this dispute way the fuck out of proportion and immediately drapes himself in the cloak of National Socialism, calling everyone who disagrees in the slightest either "alt-kike" or "TRSodomite"
They generally attack "White nationalists" "Fascists" or any other label being careful not to attack Hitler or National Socialism itself. This is very clever not just because it immediately divides everyone into small camps of competing isms, but because it works. I have never seen this tactic fail to trigger pointless arguments that go on for days.
Another reason why this is such a brilliant tactic is because by making the argument about wordisms, it distracts from the central issue of race and White genocide. These things are real and far more important than whatever political label you want to cloak yourself in.

Next, these shills divide us further into easily crushed blocks. They generally find a way to trigger a debate on whether or not America is a White nation and say that Americans are mutts. This is calculated to elicit an angry American response attacking Europeans. This sadly generally works causing American and European brothers to attack each other.

Finally they divide even Europeans against each other. Typically driving Poles against Germans first and then Anglo-Saxons from Continental Europeans and finally north vs south.

Essentially, the (((plan))) is the same as it has always been. Fracture Europeans into small, isolated pigeon holes fighting amongst ourselves over irrelevant political disagreements and then over ancient brother wars that we should have gotten over by now.

I will finish with a quote by William L Pierce on the subject.

For too long we have allowed them to manipulate us, to set one part of us against another part in wars they cooked up for their own advantage. That has never been truer than in this war against Serbia. It is a Jewish war, and only Jews can benefit from it. We should not be involved in it. We should do everything we can to ensure that the Jews lose it. But regardless of what happens in the Balkans in the next few months, we need to continue building our new way of looking at the world and judging things, our way based on family and blood and race. That's the only way we can beat these New World Order thugs in the long run. That's the only way we can keep the Jews from using their age-old trick of setting one part of our people against another part.

And you know, for those of us who just like to fight, those who enjoy a family squabble, we can go back to fighting among ourselves in the future if we really must – but only after we have beaten the enemy of us all, the world enemy.
~William Pierce, The Bigger War

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fuck right off nigger, i don't give a shit about israel, they arent related to my statements.

link to proof? without legit sauce your claims are null.

remember this shit from 2013

I just told you friend, I didn't save it but my eyes don't lie. It's also very easy to find that Soros owns a good portion of Netflix and that streaming services like Netflix would have benefited greatly from article II of NN. Without it, they will be paying much higher prices for their bandwith. From this, you can understand why someone like Soros would fight for NN.

Sage because this thread IS NOT about NN.

in first two sentences. human detected.

the purpose of making sure these signs are present is because this person evokes imagery of themselves speaking instead of taking ownership of a neutral voice or even your own. This means they open themselves to criticism of being inconsistent a lot more easily.

you are retarded

Start capping examples.


Wrong.

Look what turned up in one simple google search.


archive.is/JVcg4

THIS

Ever heard of an mturk? It's basically getting paid pennies for doing random small things that computers either can't do or that it wouldn't be worth it to get them to do.
Jobs range from solving random captchas and "temporarily" becoming part of a bot net to transcribing single sentences out of poorly scanned documents and even things as bizarre as describing what is in a picture.

They don't even need dedicated humans or botnets to keep this kind of operation because random 3rd worlders and crack whores too ugly to sell themselves, will do it for fractions of cents.

Wrong. The captcha stopped 99% of the bots and spammers. A few still slip through but it's nothing compared to how it was.

Fucking this is this the strategy of the hour. I've seen these same random bullshitters and fake-drunkposters over and over again. I'll try to screencap them sometimes.

On a similar note, want to know how to neutralize a thread on 4pol? Post I am a d&c kike, ban my stupid non-white asss. Then someone (sometimes a shill, sometimes an actual user) starts to complain about it and then they retort with "thin skin" and the thread gets very polarized and the level of discourse goes down the shitter. I've seen this dozens of times. A few weeks ago, there was an entire team that went around destroying threads like this. Pic related started out as a decent thread, but got invaded.

Importantly, they also started make these formulaic ANTI-I am a d&c kike, ban my stupid non-white ass threads in order to drum up both sides. They're not really interested in "disgracing America" as much as creating a fissure.

I really want to get this board known. It's about networking with other anons.
>>>/meadhall/

don't explain your perception too clearly dumbass, the bots can't probably understand them but their supervisors will fuck you and everybody else in the ass with a cactus dildo

Where does it get the Mcfuck slang? Must be some totally out of touch douche bag writing these because no one says this much less types it.

Bots, A.I. and all kinds of reply chain programs are obviously used. In my opinion, not only should captcha be turned on for every post for maximum defense, a new captcha should be implemented as well considering neuro networks probably have learned how to read it by now.

I completely agree with you, and feel that this new sort of shilling (or influx of idiots) accomplishes exactly what it's meant to do. It strikes me as a heavy mix of a few different things (I'll respond to your points).

I do believe that the main end goal is to disrupt the flow of information here, to lower discourse enough to discourage higher intelligence anons from posting, and to scatter them.
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This is pretty easy divide and conquer shilling. Look at how pushed the 56% meme was pushed. Look at how fractured the community is now compared to during the elections.

The real problem, is what can be done? How do you incentivize effort posting and disincentive just screaming sentences at each other?

I love how MOSSAD/CIA set up companies to destroy Americans/bill of rights and our entire military/police force completely ignores treason but cries about kneeling.

Sure thing.

Last chance Ontario it was a TPB bot.

t. Bubbles

Is this wave of botposting reaching any other boards? I shudder to think what has become of Holla Forums, in all this carnage. Lord knows that kike BO they've got would be pleased with this sort of debauchery.

Or "Enoch's wife"

t. TVanon

It's not bots, you fucking faggot. It's just shills.

The only "shills" I can think of in this scenario are the shitskins typing in the captchas for these Markovs. Why is the thread anchored, by the way?

Because this is the third fucking thread on shilling in the catalog. Where the fuck are you newfags coming from? Eat glass.

Shilling isn't bots, and this is the latter. I'm very much reminded of that furfaggot that nearly killed the site over his dwindling libido. No doubt the judenry would try to ape those attacks.

I am not a robot.

wew lads

It's nearly unbelievable they get away with calling it 'Mechanical Turk' while even white milk is considered racist.

This was an idea shortly after the Tay.ai ordeal. Tay's method of recognizing language was based off of some markov chain software that was open source. A technologically inclined user from here set it up as an IRC, and then later Twitter bot named Guacman with a glitched out avatar of Jeb Bush resembling Tay's avatar. There were other bots being run by the same user in the IRC channel, MarcoRubot and others. Anyway, one of the ideas being floated around at the time was to train different markov bots with say, maybe, black twitter and black liberation literature to produce niggerbots as a method to automate trolling on Twitter. It would have included the Twitter handles of prominent BLM and civil rights activists so that it would tag them periodically in its tweets to stir up a shitstorm. Of course, the possibilities weren't just limited to black twitter, but would have enabled us to go after any of our particular enemies like feminists and jews.

twitter.com/guacmanofficial
RIP in peace, Guacman. You never did get to storm M$ HQ to rescue Tay but we'll to it for you some day ;-;7

Jesus you didn't read my post because you find it comical or absolutist it has a point you know you are just missing it because you are lazy

like that other user said, train a bot to solve them, human solving (usually some pajeet) or a hybrid model (if the automated bot can't solve it, it gets sent to pajeet, who sends the answer back to the bot, then the bot just submits pajeet's answer).

How does bot solve for pic related?
It cleans up the image by running it through a bunch of filters (can be anything from rotating shit, to fucking with the contrast, to making a color image black and white) then uses OCR to "read" the letters and numbers. Ta-da

Some shit, you just import the image and give it the correct answer, and you can tell it to bruteforce what patterns to use. Then it knows what filters to apply once it figures it out for the same type of captchas (yes, they recognize what type of captcha it is, even without knowing the answer).

There is no enemy if everyone is the enemy.

What the fuck is that incoherent shit in that image?

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Its a kike psyop meme designed to D&C white women from white men with the stated purpose of scaring feminists into being National Socialists by threatening them with Sharia, as National Socialists. See how it doesnt make sense? They promote Sharia for white women, stoning them for immodesty etc. They promote white genocide, effectively, and are to be treated the same as kikes, if they arent actually kikes like jew.