Okay, I'm curious on Ancient Homosexuality/Tranny Garbage/Whatever

I've seen a lot of talk of how much faggotry there was for the Greeks, the Two-Spirit meme for Redskins, historical figures like Socrates and Sappho being fags and/or dyke, etc.

What I'm asking about is:

1. How socially acceptable was faggotry and/or dykeshieet in Ancient Greece, Rome, pre-Columbian America, Ancient India etc, in their heydays (as opposed to when they were declining)? How much of the claims of Athenians or Spartans being boyfuckers (and it being socially acceptable and prominent as opposed to being shamed and done by degenerates) can be supported from reliable evidence instead of slander, the fag lobby and their apologists stretching things, misintreptations.

2. Is there any reliable evidence of the likes Socrates, Sappho, Richard the Lionheart, and Leonardo Da Vinci ever fucked another man/woman? Or if they did, did so exclusively?

What reading would anybody here recommend on this subject?

1. Who fucking knows m8.

2. Lad, do you have any grasp on the historical time scale that you're looking at here? Clearly you don't. Nigger, we don't have especially reliable information about shit that happened in the 1940s, let alone shit that happened in the BC era. Most of what we have discussing that era isn't even direct sources, its people several hundred years later talking about shit they claim to have read from that time period or somewhere in between. You're talking about shit from 600 BC to 15th century AD, and while you may have a greater degree of sources to draw from the closer you get to the modern era, as I said previously, the fog of history moves in within mere decades, so most of what 'historians' do is repeatedly circle-jerking over the same old sources again and again and again and putting out 'new translations' to keep some semblance of belief in historical knowledge in the public eye and to give them something to yammer on about.

In conclusion: Basically everything prior to, fuck, I'd say like 1970, if not even later, is highly dubious and dependent upon the views of the material drawn from and upon the views of the person doing the drawing.

My opinion is homosexers have always been around throughout history. However, if you think of recent phenomena, like the BBC or vidya companies starting to portray white historical figures as black, it's easy to assume that certain other historical figures might have just been gaywashed at some point.

Why would it matter if some famous people were gay in the past? Some were pedophiles. Should we be pedos now? Guess so for whoever presented the past as an argument. Tell them to prove homosexuality is empirically good for society or else there's no reason to have it.

faggotry only became accepted as both rome and greece were in the stages of collapse, popularized by that cult where the men would be castrated cybele? something like that similar to tavistock

1. The only people who talk about it are the ones pushing for it. They want to have double standards; condemn old white civilizations but then use ancient "examples" to get their opposition to compromise. This also applies to christians who want to condemn old white civilizations but then turn a blind eye to fag priests.
2. The recovered "art" are suspect but even when genuine are tantamount to surviving because a muslim caliphate soldier liked what he saw and kept it. In all likelihood the survivor art from those days were akin to a yaoifag's porn stash surviving the end of the world and being the only representative art around.
3. They're heavily over-represented. Their significance is over-exaggerated mainly because of aforementioned fag enablers.
4. Most of the accounts comes from non-whites, i.e. jews. The rest come from faggots who associated with jews. This also includes actual fiction like surviving greek plays who rewrite history of famous greek people basically making them appear to be gay. This also ties back to dishonest academics who use said greek plays as primary sources but in the same breath say how unreliable the plays are as historical accounts - they should not be used as historical accounts in the first place.

1. It wasnt socially acceptable. Multiple texts have stated there was a social distaste for faggots in Rome, just it was tolerated to a degree. It was considered shameful to continue fucking with slave-boys into your adulthood, and even more shameful to be a bottom. At a certain point you had to man up and actually fuck a girl, because even Greeks and Romans realized you were wasting your genetics

with Spartans it was more prevalent, but keep in mind spartans decayed and whithered into a few disparate kingdoms over hundreds of years, and a major reason why was the lowering population of noble males. If they really were boyfuckers its not hard to imagine why they rotted and died out slowly.

Aztecs and Mayans would hang faggots from trees outside the city , I dont imagine it was tolerated. There was one Emperor of the Aztecs about 150 years before Cortes' time who hanged 4 of his own sons for being faggots, thats how much it was despised.

Faggot lobbies come up with all sorts of lies.


where the hell are you even getting this crap from, stop listening to your Jewish history professor

You'll quickly discover that this was all written in by kikes after the fact, and in some cases mudslimes during the ottomon period.

The Greeks may have invented sex but it was the Romans that included the women

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But yeah, this was highly exaggerated and distorted for propaganda purposes by fags, christians, and romans defaming other romans and other peoples - all using each others made-up narrative as a source to their propaganda goals.

Like what is "mos maiorum" and "virtú", even the most degenerate of the classical world had strict family roles and considered homossexuals as the lowest thing you could call others. Germanic tribes actually threw faggots in bogs, and tribal societies all across the world had similar customs.

The level of absurdity of some of these claims include claiming Emperor Nero married a huge blonde anatolian slave, serving as the BRIDE - despite the fact Saturnalia was a big roman tradition and he did this mockingly - a big inversion he figured out…

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it's almost like there's a correlation or something

Hey Tyrone Da Christian. How's your AIDs doing?

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Athenians were faggots. Everyone else hated queers.

That's an incredibly wide net to cast, so the general answer would be that pretty much every society tolerates some degree of homosexuality and/or pederasty and those that don't are usually small and simple.

In the case of the Greeks specifically, the claim that it was a faggot Disneyland are totally unfounded and early Christian scholarship is probably as much to blame for that perception as the most recent wave of liberal revisionists. Pederasty was probably more acceptable in Athens than elsewhere, but it bears remembering that their enemies would mock the Athenians by calling them what amounts these days to "boy-fucking faggot liberals". Not to say that homosexuality was totally unacceptable in the Hellenistic world, however, but the general rule seems to have been "it's not gay if you're pitching" and that meant that if you were what we would now call a homosexual and middle-class to boot, it would be acceptable in many contexts to own a teenage fuccboi slave as long as you still did your social obligation and knocked up your wife a few times - and if you failed to impregnate your wife while your sexual habits were known (protip: they would be) then you would be mocked as a pathetic faggot, a disgrace to your ancestors and a failure of a man.

There's precious little "reliable evidence" for any historical claims or events. You just have to put various pieces together as best you can while bearing in mind whatever biases the author might have. Even in ancient times people were debating much of this shit and translators and scribes were inserting their own biases. Sappho is a good example; some of the earliest records we have of her are a theatrical satire of her life where she's a cock-hungry slut, then later Greeks decided she was homosexual and Christians ran with that, then Christians decided she wasn't a thousand years and change later and then more contemporary liberals said she was again. Point is, we have so little of her work and life history that we really don't know shit and are basically just inferring from scraps that are copies of copies of copies of copies - and said inferrences are context-dependent.

Don't have any, sorry.

It came up on Unz.

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It was at least somewhat popular ini Greece and Rome around 0 - 100 AD

Check the Bible

Thanks for the short version Kek.

Go save some Niggers.

The best treatment of Greek sexuality is Bruce Thornton and Davidson's work. Both that same-sex activity occured and was allowed, but to a point (no pedophilia on citizens, no anal penetration on citizens) with the assumption that the doers would still get women to have children with.