So what's the problem with single payer healthcare...

A 6000 dollar Deductible?

1). Get chronically ill in some welfare state yuropean shithole.
2). Be put on a multi-year waiting list for simple treatment to cure your illness.
3). Die of said easily-treatable illness while on that waiting list because governments are shit at running things and hire 20 middle-managers for every nurse.
The reason you don't hear about this is that young people generally don't get chronically ill so have no experience of it, and old people can't into internet. Naturally the globalist fake news will not tell you either because they want you to live in a hellhole bankrupted by an astronomically expensive welfare state that doesn't even treat the sick.

That depends on what models they are using. Australia have healthcare that is hydrid private-public system.

Government taking my wealth

I love jewish health care :^)

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Generally speaking single payer works when run properly.

But as the UK has shown us the money involved is too insane for it to be run properly in a modern democratic society.
The NHS got privatised back towards the end of the last century with the "internal market" reforms that the USA and US healthcare companies had spent years lobbying and pushing for.
US companies then used this to cherry pick the most profitable sectors of healthcare then overcharge horrifically.
The whole system is falling apart at this point and it's not for lack of money but proper management.

Back in the day it had better results for the money when it engaged in strategic planning and distribution in regards to personnel and resources, a lot of the bottlenecks and waiting lists occur because of improper personnel distribution and the internal market system.
But better results are possible if you properly leverage the purchasing power you'd have control over (which was never and has never been done) and run the personnel side of things in a more militaristic manner.

But to make it work you need a couple of things in the wider society.
First the society must understand and support that it is a national health service and not international. Meaning an expectation on non-citizens to pay.
Second, maintaining good health must be considered a civic and social virtue. So proper diet and exercise must strongly encouraged with those who deviate on this front being scorned and mocked socially.

In short only a fascist state can make single payer work.

Personally, I don't value free healthcare and I don't value free stuff. But here's some food for thought:
#1. 50% IIRC of the U.S. healthcare yearly is paid by public funds. Don't know why I would want to or need to increase that or what good it would do, especially since we've been increasing it yearly but not much is going on.
#2. You guys realize there's ways to reduce free market healthcare cost, yeah? i.e., increase competition; allow quality nurses to do regular checkups and or train doctors for this specifically as not to waste time with specialisation; replace the college requirement with a competence requirement; updating the current medical databases and how insurance claims are handled.
#3. Why do we need socialized medicine for the country? Allow it to be a state issue.
#4. Why not encourage payment plans for healthcare? Some doctors do it currently, but it good be better.

Either way: I don't value it. Not gonna change my mind on it.

Like all things government, heathcare will become bloated and mismanaged. Add to that the rising obesity rate means you are going to pay out the ass for some fat fuck's heart transplant, which he will use to stay at home and get disability.

Single payer is the worst healthcare system possible.

The best would be for every individual to pay for their own healthcare and insurance, and if they can't afford it, then they don't receive medical treatment because the only way for that to happen would be to violently force somebody else to pay for it and that's not fair.

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private profit driven or nothing

what was the problem with standard oil?
just wait until the single payer refuses to pay for healthcare treatment to any wrong thinkers

No problems… if you want equal nigger care across the board.

You're falling for their boundaries of acceptable positions on the subject. Third position: Insurance is a jewish scam. Attempting to sell insurance should not be tolerated in white society.

The only reason doctors are so expensive to begin with is because of the near universal spread of health insurance. When you go to a doctor and they perform a service, they have to follow CMS standards for billing to insurance companies, or risk losing their medicare provider status. If they lose medicare provider status, they lose their ability to bill most insurance companies for regular patient services as well.

When the doctor takes your blood pressure, they have to go look up the code for that procedure in the CPT manual (99211 in this case, a broad 'checkup' code). They then submit a bill to the insurance company with that code for an amount within the published ranges allowed by CMS. Lets just say they bill $50 based on the CMS publications. Insurance companies don't pay what physicians bill, they pay out at the "reasonable and customary" amount which is some smaller number, usually less than half of the billed amount. So doctor bills $50, insurance pays maybe $5.

The rub here is that now, doctors have to keep their medicare provider status to be able to bill most insurance companies, because theyre run by a bunch of jews that require their doctors to be medicare providers. So if you don't have insurance and you walk in to see a doctor and get your blood pressure taken, the doctor has to bill you $50 like they would have billed insurance, or they risk losing medicare provider status because they aren't following the CMS guidelines. Even though the doctor knows at the end of the day they would only get $5 from the insurance company, they can't just bill you $5 because then they would lose their ability to work with insurance companies.

In the absence of insurance, doctors would be affordable. They used to be up through the early 1980s, before everyone had insurance. Insurance is almost as bad as usury and should be completely removed from white society.

Also modern doctors are just jewish poison dispensers that white men should keep their families far away from. Only go to a doctor if you suffer some sort of physical trauma that you need stitched up or something like that.

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ask any veteran who needed serious help how the VA worked out for him. that's what single payer in the US would look like. people die in the waiting rooms and parking lots of VA hospitals.

Single Payer Healthcare works in a homogeneous society because most people contribute more than they take in taxes and are happy to do so since their resources are not going to racial aliens. That is not the circumstance in the USA, and given the political situation it creates the possibility of a kike Dem administration in the near future denying healthcare to someone because of wrongthink or rayciss pattern recognition.Even in homogenous nations where these programs have been successful there are problems with waiting times, etc. so the ideal solution is some form of single payer but where people have the option of purchasing private health care services when single payer proves inadequate.

You have to wait 25 years for a doctors appointment.

The current system is a corporatist one. The AMA has conspired with the government to restrict the supply of doctors, causing older doctors to get rich. Get the government out of the business of medical licensing and let the insurance underwriters determine who can and can't practice medicine. You will then find that 99% of medical care costs plummet as you can now go to a medic's office to get a broken bone set and cast for $50 by a guy with 6 month's practical training rather than 15 years of very expensive schooling. When you need brain surgery, you can pay for all that schooling.

Also, with the FDA out of the way, new technologies will flood the market. My own former company has a bandage that completely blocks infection underneath it and costs pennies, but the cost is too high to get it approved and the industry is focused on their silver products, which suck ass compared to ours. Maybe 90% inhibition, MAYBE. And they make the wounds black, so doctors can't tell if the wound is necrotized or not, so you risk losing a fucking limb if you use them.

And there is a LOT of shit like that that is held up for the same reasons.

profit driven private only

Very true. Imagine if the only way you could get food was to buy an all-you-can eat buffet pass for a YEAR. That is essentially what health care has become with the rise of insurance. But if we dramatically cut the price of health care by eliminating the FDA and the practice of government medical licensing as stated here you could get by without it. Eliminate the deduction for health insurance, and people will stop paying for it with pre-tax money, which will also go a LONG way towards cutting costs.

I agree with you to an extent, health insurance is at a point of absurdity with regards to maintenance medications and well-appointments but it is necessary for certain conditions.

For example my hematology professor has informed us of a series of new drugs that are wrapping up FDA approval for Leukemia that range in cost from $300,000 per treatment to $500,000 per treatment. That may seem insane but they've paid a lot of money of money to a lot of smart people to develop these drugs that only have a maximum potential of 6,000 patients per year and that's if every patient was prescribed the drug from your company. On the high end you might get 10% of patients to receive your drug so the maximum revenue would be approximately 300 million annually. That seems like a lot but considering the fact that another company could release a new drug the next year making yours obsolete, the time and energy spent in research, development, clinical trials, and FDA approval likely spanning a decade on top of the construction of the factory and equipment and transportation necessary for manufacturing and distribution the cost is justified. The vast majority of people don't have that kind of money lying around which is why you NEED health insurance to incentivize the creation of these new cures.

I think its absolutely absurd that insurance will pay 20$ for your blood pressure meds so you only have to pay a dollar, that's not insurance that's paying somebody to haggle a price for you under the guise of insurance, but for costly conditions like cancer or losing a limb insurance is necessary.

Sounds like a great way to get Zimbabwe tier healthcare

This is the problem. Insurance in the US isn't insurance, it's a payment plan.

A giant non-white tumor that makes almost all social programs unable to function.
Gee take a fucking guess why 90%+ white nordic countries can afford healthcare when 50% white America cannot.

You really do not understand just how much "diversity" costs white Americans. We would have 0 national debt if we had a 100% white population, even with all of the social security and wars for Isreal.

thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/05/11/fiscal-impact-of-whites-blacks-and-hispanics/

This only calculates tax differentials. Nevermind the immeasurable cost caused by their general dysfunction.

Single payer could work if done properly, but the (((Insurance Industry))) has a strangle hold on pricing and reimbursement, and that would only get worse with single payer, as it would inevitably be outsourced to these same (((companies))) to do the paperwork. Allowing the insurance companies to take over the health care industry was a huge mistake.

Maybe to a retard.

But you see, that price point is the market telling both you and the company that made the drug that they should not have bothered developing it. Small market diseases are often terrible and tragic, but the fact that they affect so few people that there is no business case for drug development is evidence that those funds would have been better spent on medications that can help a larger number of people. It is ugly, heartbreaking math, but it is undeniable. Price is how the free market maximizes the utility of resource allocation. For boutique disorders, we need to depend on funding from private charities, not for-profit companies.

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also, women take up too many places in med schools, and then retire to light family practice after about 5 years, creating a huge drain of resources and available doctors

Single payer is the best care system, problem is most people who need it don't pay into it.

We would probably be better off letting people like that die, if the alternative is dumping immense amounts of time and resources into developing prohibitively difficult treatments that only benefit a tiny group while adding undue burden to everyone else.

Of course I speak of this in the sense that I don't think people should have insurance, not from some single payer death panel frame of reference.

Well think about it.
If there's no barrier to entry in healthcare than anyone can do it with no training or even basic medical knowledge.

whites are the single payer, which would be one thing if whites were the only recipients, but we dont live in that world yet

It's simpler than that. Moving to a single payer forces the centralized government to collect more taxes.

Good comparison. It is especially frustrating for people like me. I don't go to the doctor. I have stayed away from everything medical for a decade now and I have never been healthier. The government is standing here telling me I have to fork over ~15% of my pay so that my wife and I are covered under approved plans.

Protip: if you want to check out of the healthcare mandate altogether, pay your electric bill late one month. Depending on state law, the power company has to give you a week or two notice before disconnecting your power. They will send you a letter. Once you get the warning letter, pay your bill. You can present the disconnect notice with your taxes to qualify you for suffering an economic hardship that excuses you from paying any penalties for not having insurance.

You're imagining a problem that didn't exist a few decades ago when insurance was not common like it is today.

Well yes because running around calling yourself a doctor when you did not hold the relevant qualification was actually illegal.
It was fraud.

I misread and thought you were talking about lack of insurance -> zimbabwe

I still disagree with you though. Government licensing doesn't really do much good and definitely isn't the only way to do it. PE certification seems to be working out well for example.

Also fuck doctors in general, anybody who willingly goes to them in most cases is a retard who deserves the jewing they get.

I don't like the insurance model either.
Healthcare must be militarised.
Because an unhealthy population is a weak and unproductive one.

Healthcare doesn't make a healthy population though. We aren't sickly because we don't have good doctors. We are sickly because we eat trash and do nothing physical while being systematically poisoned all day and night.

If you have a physical ailment and:
-you aren't preparing your own meals from scratch every day
-you take any sort of pharmaceuticals
-you eat at restaurants that aren't small local establishments where the owners work in the kitchen
-you drink soda
-you consume corn syrup
-you don't exercise regularly

Then its your own damn fault that you're sick.

But that's the purpose of insurance, to help you out when something hits you out of the blue like your house burning down or having the head of a household die at a young age.

I'm curious to hear what you think is the point of absurdity for the cost of a prescription. Xarelto for example is a maintenance medication for people with blood clots, it costs about 500$ per month and its rare that people are able to get off of Xarelto once they are prescribed it. That's $6000/year for 17 years if they were prescribed it at the start of the patent with people being prescribed it as early as 55 and living to 80. That's $102,000 over a lifetime not including the other medications they're prescribed or the time period where a generic is available. It's used to prevent blood clots that lead to heart attacks and it helps a very large number of people. The same problems with patenting and manufacturing a drug justify the cost to the consumer/insurance agency.

If a company can treat an acute condition with a one time $300,000 treatment I think its worth dedicating the necessary resources.

Non-Whites and Jews.
Go back to cuckchan.

is the OP one and done?

Single payer healthcare would be great - the issue is nobody has seriously proposed it in the US. Instead we got Obamacare, which was nothing more than an insurance company bailout by guaranteeing them customers while limiting their liabilities (more profitable combined than an actual 2008-style bailout of cash by far.)
What we need to do is move to single payer and completely gut the insurance companies (no need for them, if the government is paying the bill regardless there isn't going to be some life-changing bill for someone, hence no need for insurance.)
Neither the left nor the right will actually propose this though, the left because they're sellouts who have a base dumb enough to accept that they "compromised" with the right not to do it, and the right because "muh socialism is bad" and they value the jobs in the insurance industry above healthcare (imagine the hit to the labor pool if all those insurance salesman were suddenly out of work.)

Germany had a socialized healthcare system. Germany also had a eugenics system and only Germans (by blood) were entitled to it. Thats why. Deport the niggers, get healthcare. Win win.

So why not both then dick breath?
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Every other developed country is not 60% White.

that is the problem. muds make it cost to much and lower the overall quality.
take it a way and the death rates will increase but more for the muds.

Not for routine shit, I live in freaking Greece and the coverage is still somewhat adequate for everyday issues like broken limbs, strokes and everyday diseases.

Because doctors are an extension of the jewish poisoning of our society and you're basically a race traitor if you use their services.

joos control the gibment, gibment would control single payer healthcare. you're sol either way.

Its simple, not enough white people so you'd be funding non-whites to have children. It sucks but a great war was fought to have blackie and jewy become the overlords of whites so you've lost that right. You may have even lost the right to exist.

Survive and fight is all you can do now, expect nothing but a kick from above.

Well Xarelto is a "me-too" drug for which there are much cheaper alternatives. Me-too drugs are a whole other barrel of issues. There are no easy answers to drug development costs and the portion of it passed on to the patient. There is plenty of abusive kike behavior in the pharmaceutical business, but that is when I think a good government steps is and starts putting patents in the paper shredder. Patent law is a fucking disaster in this country and getting worse every year. It is a shame the regulatory environment is so byzantine, because the drug business could really benefit from innovations like Kickstarter and other crowd funded development.

Apart from dying while waiting months to years for treatment.

That's a problem.

There are only two kinds of health care: health care you pay for and get, and "socialized" rationed health care you pay for and don't get.

Also the health care industry in the U.S. is awesome. It's the health (((insurance))) industry that fucks everyone.

Sounds to me like you're a Jew.
Since Jews hate Doctors for pointing out they're riddled with genetic defects and need to stop shagging their cousins and sisters.

One option might be allowing pharma companies to write off taxes equal to the cost of development.
If you plan ahead and assume you won't get much if any tax revenue from the companies then it's not really going to be a problem financially.

Why don't you go ahead and take some statins and xanax and listen to your doctor's diet recommendations. Get your young wife and daughters plenty of birth control pills and make sure you get your newborn son circumcised!

lol what a fucking joke saying avoiding doctors is jewish.

It means we are paying stupid lazy niggers to breed while whites work hard and don't have kids.

The push for single payer in America is deceptive. If America were starting from scratch then it might be viable (to implement it NOT necessarily for it to work). America already has a healthcare infrastructure (and price aside, it’s pretty decent). The healthcare lobby is powerful and isn’t going to hand over a massively profitable set of businesses that it has invested gigantic sums into so that the state can run them at cost. The Government could technically force a buy out but it could not afford to do so without printing the money and causing dangerous levels of deflation to the dollar.

A single payer system would very likely result in a decline in service standards. Those who currently enjoy good healthcare on their private insurance may well not fancy waiting several years for an operation they could have had within weeks on their old plan. I live in the Bongistan, technically we have single payer but the majority of people I know who have operations within the last decade have opted to pay a private hospital to perform them because the wait time on the NHS was just unbearable, when you are sick you want to get well and will generally pay if you can to speed up the process. Single payer systems can rely on this fact to save money. So under single payer many in America would just end up paying even more than they do under the current system.

Someone cap this shit. Also, as to how to into health Nationwide, just eat only meat, all will come together after that.

15minutecorporatewarrior.com/podcast/shawn-baker-zero-carb-2/

Just started a new job. My monthly is $1100 after my employer contribution for myself my wife and an infant. It is fucking highway robbery to pay for all the boomers and shitskins. Before we had the baby I paid in cash and spent maybe $2k/yr on doctors visits and medicine for my wife and myself. It's amazing how fast they drop the price when you pay cash. Insurance should be outlawed tbqh.

It's not about single payer or free market. In a high trust all h'white society sans jews either system is workable.

Rev up those helicopters

I'm not a yankee doodle.
We don't rely heavily on drugs to treat psychological problems.
Our preference is for therapy that enact a lasting change that doesn't require constant drug use. Drugs only come into the picture when the patients problems are uncontrollable and typically as part of a therapy program that aims to wean them off the drugs in questions.

For other things good diet and proper exercise is the general prescription.

That almost makes me wonder if it would make more sense to not have health insurance and instead have something like Aflac (I hate to drop a brand name but I don't know anything else like it, or what it is called) where they just give you cash when you have a doctors visit or accident etc.

THE PROBLEM IS THAT OUR COUNTRY IS FULL OF RETARDED SHITSKINS THAT ALREADY DRAIN 100,000s PER PERSON AND SHITBABY THEY SPAWN ENDLESSLY

if it weren't for that we could have a nice national healthcare and other eugenic benefits aka national socialism

We don't even have the language in this country to have a debate on the subject. If you are anti-corporate/anti-jew, there are a slew of pejoratives to put you on the defensive and end debate.

We are NATIONAL SOCIALISTS here, Capitalists fuck off.

Especially you, TRS. Nice Israel-approved meme.

Single payer = Government deciding who lives and who dies.
Make no mistake, whites will die first and get the worst health care from that day forward unless you become a tranny. "Because of slavery and the holocaust goy!"

Fuck you and your nigger gibs bullshit. I've seen you in several threads shilling your 'we're not capitalists hurrr durrr'. NS Germany favored small business capitalism and the stratification of society. You know good and well we don't live in a homogeneous society and it is impossible to live in societal harmony (national socialism was not conflict based socialism). Our only mandate is to take care of OUR OWN people. The only way we will be able to survive the demographic cliff will be our increased economic productivity and ability to keep wealth in the white community. It is not, and will NEVER, I repeat, NEVER be our duty to care for those among us who are too stupid to be productive for themselves, this includes a small number of whites. Fuck you and your consensus cracking bullshit. You truly believe that if the federal government had the power today to implement volkish NS policies they would use them for the betterment of whites? Fuck off for your hazy understanding of the way the world works. You are worse than a normie, you are the personification of the Dunning-Kruger effect. I won't even tell you to neck yourself or that we will on the DOTR, I know for a fact your abject idiocy will punish you eventually. You are worse than a jew for many reasons. Your quads are wasted.
fuck you, I am mad

Nice wall of butthurt, too bad I only read 2 sentences of it. Stay mad, faggot.

Sounds like you need to read what the great men you quote actually wrote. I can't even imagine what it must be like to be below 1 st. dev. intelligence and LARP as a national socialist.

I know exactly what you're trying to say and I agree with it completely, but also I'm making fun of you because you're an autistic sperglord lobbing paragraphs of pure assrage at me and it's funny to watch.

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Checked.

Israel's U.S. does have single-payer health care. Just not for employed, white Christians.

Single payer is communism. Communists fuck off.

You objectively know nothing about Communism if you think Socialism fits the bill.

/cargo-cult/ here, you are not socialist. Fascism is literally feels>reals, completrly incompatible with the real world.

It had economic shortcomings, but nothing about its teachings and values did anything but address realities of Blood and Soil.

You've been told to fuck off, commie scum.

Single payer is an actual debatable situation, but there's no clear winner due to the Australians and their successes.

Typical burger

We should get single payer healthcare and use it only for psychology to not get cucked by (((conventional medicine))).

Hammer? Are you serious? That charlatan that killed people by cutting them off any cancer treatment?
I get that chemo is horrible, but chemo and surgery are only cures for cancer that we have.

*Hamer

I wouldn't take it as far as use it for cancer.

OP, noone will change their minds because when you say "Healthcare" people only think about their ailments.

Single-Payer healthcare has one massive advantages:
Work-force Reliability:
If you have it, you can 100% guarantee that 100% of your workforce is kept healthy and productive. Without it, you can find a large chunk of people that cannot work because of sickness but can't get treatment because of prices (if you break a leg, and really break like mangle it, see how much 6 months of physical therapy cost you).
Single-Player means Single-Costumer
There's a few areas in the economy where a market has so few clients and so many people offering services that it's the clients that end up setting their prices. Single-Player sets the goverment as the ONLY client for all health-care services. Thus, the government can set the prices, not by law or comunistic demands, but simply saying "I won't pay more than X and you need that X to keep in business".
This is also why it will never, ever work in America. Lobbying entirely blocks this from happening.

Other questions I saw in the thread:
Salary, paid by the government. They're essentially public functionaries. Do a shit job, get thrown out.
Some Pharma companies in europe started overcharging but before we reached America's ridiculous "pay your entire wage for 7 pills" the government step in and set up labs that deliver "generic" medicine. It's nearly the same as the "brand" one but funded by the state, no marketing and lowered production costs. End result: it costs around 30% of the original medicine. They're not chemically equal, there's a a few cases where they're less effective others where "generics" are more effective.

This was a problem for many years and ramped up in the last decade. Similary, gypsies taking their whole family (24-27 people) into the ER because one of them caught a flu.
The solution was hilariously simple:
I knew of a guy that visited the ER 7 times a month. Once he realized he droppe 140$ on a runny nose he decided that maybe the Health Hotline, google and local clinics can help him aswell.

Also, one thing Americans in particular should realize:
In America, you get Health Insurance from a Private Company.
In Europe, you get Health Insurance from the Ssingle-payer system run by the state.
Yeah, it's not really called "Health Insurance" but:

With two major diferences.
a)The State can't weasel out of it (lmao pre-exhisting conditions)
b)The State isn't on it to make a profit. Only to make it self-sufficient. A private company will ALWAYS charge more for their services because they need profit for growth and investor-appeasement.

A major reason it's so costly to have healthcare is because of lobbying and private dealings from insurance providers that drove up prices of hospital visits and pharmaceuticals. The prices are artificially high. If you fix that you make having healthcare that much cheaper.

So, end lobbying and insurance jewery?
Well that sounds easy. Get to it.

Well another way around it is state manufacture of meds and state owned hospitals to replace the Jewed businesses.

That's essentially single-payer system.
Most of europe has that and it works relatively well (some countries better than others).
Note however that Canada also has single-payer health services but theirs is absolutely terrible. I don't know enough about it to comment on WHY it is so fucked any leafs lurking wanna comment? but for some reason, what worked here resisted (somewhat) the hordes of shitskins and keeps working while over on the Land of the Free it's falling to pieces.

ottawacitizen.com/opinion/columnists/barua-why-are-canadas-health-care-wait-times-the-worst

Must be nice. Doctors are jewish agents of destruction in the United States and the amount of time and money you spend with them is inversely related to your general wellbeing.

Universal health care only works when you don't have large shitshin populations draining the system.

Insurance fag here. I made this informative video on the subject the last time the ACA was getting discussed seriously:
vid.me/1oVg

Very quick synopsis: It works in theory because it combines all health-related risk in the country into a single pool. It fails in practice because of all the same reason communism fails along with a few other unique reasons to an implementation scenario in the US.

Not so quick synopsis: It works because if all health-related risk is put into a single risk pool, that pool is leveled across the board and therefore the vast quantities of well people (go figure the majority of us are not sick all the time) will always be there to subsidize the cost of the care for the smaller quantity of sick people. This kind of program CAN WORK in the right scenario, and it has worked for a long time in other places that are more socialistic or their countries started with a predominantly socialized healthcare system that has persisted for a long time.

Social Med / Single Payer / Universal Healthcare fails in the US first and foremost because the medical sector in the US is still by and large a for-profit venture. The moment that the government becomes the sole payer of healthcare claims (and they can de-facto accomplish this without implementing a hard social med program) the minute every medical provider becomes a government employee. At that point since the government would be the sole customer, the government would dictate all prices. Make sense? This is already done with programs like Medicare, and a large quantity of US Citizens (anyone over 65 and anyone on SSD) run their care through the Medicare fee schedule.

Private commercial insurance companies however represent pools of PRIVATE payers. Large groups of private payers, but private nonetheless, and the insurance companies deal with medical providers on what they will be reimbursed for their risk pools (Blue Cross / Aetna / Coventry / etc). Private pay schedules are typically better for the provider because they're bargaining with a risk pool of say potentially 100,000 people at a time (the number representing all private insureds for that company that might walk into their facility) rather than bargaining against the government who would represent 60 million+ people at a time. The bat the government swings is undeniable and there is no bargaining - you are simply told what they will pay and you're happy to get it. Otherwise if you "don't take Medicare" then you are missing out on a ton of potential business.

There's way more to it than that but I have to go back to work. One thing that is critically important to remember is that INSURANCE IS A TOOL OF FINANCE and has nothing to do with anything besides making insurance carriers money. That is the end goal of all commercial insurance. It is not to keep you safe. It is not to make you feel good. The goal of commercial insurance is for the commercial insurance companies to turn a profit. They have done this for a very long time and been very successful at it, and the chief way it is done is by charging more in premiums than what is disbursed in benefits. Keep that in mind.

You have another problem that makes the situation worse.
Not only are those private groups lobbying to prevent Single-Payer healthcare (they know they'd be out of business or at least lose a large section of the market), but they also lobby for LAWS that govern them.
Unless you got them dead-to-rights on their contract, you can bet that any medical expense over 5000$ will have them kvetching and declining to pay unless you drag them to court.
Even ignoring the massive costs to sue someone (remember, your average Joe will get one laywer, Insurance companies have a legal department packed with a dozen lawyers) you gotta remember that these groups also lobby the same laws you're thinking of using to sue them.
Every year, someone manages to snatch a couple dozen thousand dollars in a lawsuit after they deny.
Then, they get their legal department together, write a bill to prevent it from happening again and fax it to one of their lobbying firms.
Lo and behold, next year someone tries the same, calls for a precendent and finds out that "oh no, the law changed!"

If anyone here ever has problems explaining to people why Health Insurance companies are terrible, simply tell people they're exactly like a credit company but in reverse: you pay exhorbitant fee's first and MAYBE get what you want later.
There's still a bunch of people who think Insurance companies are "on their side" or that they "follow the true american spirit".
The only thing they follow is the same pattern Jews follow all over the world: find someone in a position of need, offer them "help" and then enslave them with debt.
This is just a more refined form of slavery, because they're leveraging the fear people have of getting sick and having no money for treatment to get money without even having to "help" them in the first place.

I also hold that this one of the reasons Healthcare is so expensive: it forces people to take Insurances because almost noone can pay medical procedures out of their pocket. Wouldn't suprise me if we found out they coordinated this shit.

Single player is boring. Multiplayer is where it's at.

The NHS is bankrupt, France's healthcare system is one of the worst in europe, canada has out of control wait times, germany had to go back to making people pay for visits to the doctor, because waiting rooms were overflowing. Single-payer healthcare, like most government programs is a disaster, because you always run into the socialist incentive problem.
>The consumer doesn't care because it's free. "Oh well it's shit, but at least it's free".
When nobody cares the results are very predictable. pic related.

No problem, I live in southern ontario(woodstock some of you probably remember me posting pics a year and change ago of what small town canada life was like) and can answer that one. Too few people too much country to cover, nothing else. 1/3 of the population lives between Windsor and Montreal. The out of that other 2/3's 80% of them live within 100km of the US border or near a major city with a population of 100k or higher. The other 20% live in the middle of nowhere. Government requires a "minimum level of care" an independent board not linked to government but made up of private citizens determines that level. Each province deals with healthcare and availability on their own, the only requirement is that it reaches that min. level of care. That means waiting 120 days or more for open heart surgery is acceptable for a min. level of care if there are: more pressing cases, or your case can be alleviated through other forms of treatment until it's time. That doesn't mean if you show up with a blocked artery and need an immediate bypass you won't get it – you will. If you live in a province that has more money, you'll end up with a higher level of care. Healthcare in the maratimes(NB, PEI, NS) is the very minimum level, it's the absolute poorest area of Canada. Ontario is mid-range. Quebec is higher, has more "gimmies" from the feds. Same with AB(pre oil collapse it was going up). SK, MB are mid to low-mid in terms of care. BC is higher in the VC/Victoria area, lower the further you get out from that area.

The nearest hospital for me in a 10 minute drive. My sister lives in alberta, the nearest hospital for critical care is 6hrs away. Both have the same level of care though, healthcare law says that in the event she or her hubby require treatment that emergency services are available to transport her though. And that does happen either by plane or helicopter. But while he hospital is further away(and less people use it) she has a shorter wait time then I do because of it.

I'm gonna mark some points I disagree with you:
Neither should he. He studied medicine, not finances. That duty should fall on an accountant that works at the same hospital.
Nah, people do care because it's never free. You're not paying Insurance companies, but you're paying taxes for it. Specifically, I am paying 15% of my salary for it (I can see the breakdown because my boss is cool).
Everyone is painfull aware how much they pay for it and that makes it outraging to see money being suckered out of your salary and then you're put on a four month waiting list.
Don't disagree. This is a massive fucking problem. And the more things keep going, the more I think they don't need to be just be fired: they need to be fired upon with a .45 seringe.
Now hold on. Single-payer doesn't work the same way everywhere. Canada is fucking retarded and simply says "There's X money for Health expenses, everyone gets an equal slice" and that overfunds small hospitals while underfunding larger one's.
Northern Europe funds hospitals based on activity for instance. Lots of pacients? Lots of funding.
Agree. I prescribe another .45 pill to go with the bureucrauts.
Already mentioned above, but I'll repeat that we do care.

And if my post seems like I'm advocating for total Single-Payer Healthcare, I'd like to make it clear that it's not the case.
We need public alternative alongside private one's. We need the goverment to keep private interests OUT of the public one's (to prevent lobbying and corruption) and use the public alternative to keep the private one's competitive and regulated.

What I see in america is "lol lmao, just like do what you want man, it's your insurance company" and shit goes wild while everyone gets slowly fucked overtime.
Google insurance premiuns in 2005 and then google them now. Hold your hand bellow your chin before it falls to the ground.
Then you got Canada with "lmao, weed, we're the oposite of US so that means we're good and need to keep funding small clinics with 3 patients thousands of dollars and keep Jose Mendez in the big hospital working with 10 dolalrs for each patient, dude, weed, lmao, we're geniuos!"

That sounds like some sort of egalitarian nightmare where instead of making sure everyone gets the same ammount of "good", they make an effort to make sure it sucks equally bad to everyone, one way or the other.

Pretty close. It's not horrible, it's not great. Everyone has emergency care, everyone over 65 has drugs covered by the government. It's not as bad as it was 17 years ago, it was damn bad then. I knew a guy who waited 9mo for a MRI in 1999 after a head injury. The big boom in oil extraction and other resource extraction that was fucked up under the Liberals(party), and was fixed under the conservatives(aka CPC party) did a lot to make that min level of care better. I still have supplemental insurance because there's no way I can afford medications even though they're 1/3 the cost of what people pay in the US.

Jesus, mate. Bad job/low wage or are they just that expensive?

I'm technically middle class($75k/year in a trade) the median wage around here is $49k/year. Housing prices are by far fucked up right now, we've got a huge bubble. Got in before that, electricity is expensive(0.18kWh peak right now 0.09kWh off-peak). Taxes are expensive(13% on nearly everything property taxes are low for Ontario around $400/quarter), fuel is expensive($1.20L or $4.50/gal). Heating is expensive too. In the US the same meds are expensive around $400 in most states. In Canada all the provinces and territories get together and buy for the entire country which makes it cheaper. The pain meds I take for my broken back are around $150mo here in Canada(no insurance). They're $20/mo with insurance.

The problem is that your doctors operate under a heavy profit motive.
They need fast money making solutions.
So they face a huge pressure to turn to drugs as the answer for everything.

Therapy for psychological problems is a longterm project that you're never going to turn a reliable profit on and will sink a lot of man hours into.
For everything else again a lot of the time there's no real room for profit if you're doing it right.

But just throwing pills at someone is quick, easy and a surefire money earner. Especially considering you can do a quick half assed diagnosis, throw some pills at them and have them out of the door in a fraction of the time then do the same with multiple patients.

Private healthcare is almost always a mess unless you're able to pay a kings ransom. Which most can't.
Public healthcare is often only worse because it's being fucked over at every turn by politicians and business interests.

All doctors know about costs. They can advise the client on the cost and needed procedures.

Shitty doctors do that. A good doctor looks at everything, finding that good doctor though can be a complete pain in the ass. Just like finding a good specialist for an injury/surgery and so on.

Doctors don't make money off prescriptions though, the big problem in most single-payer/medicare situations is that the doctor has more patients then what is considered reasonable, so they need to get people through the door as quickly as possible in order to treat as many as possible. In single-payer and medicade systems they make money off every patient that they see.

They do. Not arguing against it.
I'm saying they shouldn't need to even think about it. Someone walks in sick, they should walk out healthy, if possible.
Health, especially public health is being treated like a product and I'm highly agains that. I can get behind ultra-capitalism and for-profit ventures on a lot of things, but health isn't one of those.
One thing is someone being sad and depressed because they have an iPhone 7 and the iPhone 8 is out but it costs a fortune plus your left kindey. Those people can get fucked for all I care (or they can waste all their savings in electronics crap then complain they can't go on vacations).
But health? We're talking about people's lives, about folks who suffer pain every day until treated. And it's really fucking depressing to see the Healthcare in the U.S. fall into the "lol, just take another box of painkillers and toughen it out big boy" trap that spawns oppium addicts every year.

That's not the fault of single-payer systems.
That's the fault of:
a)People turning hypocondriac now that they can visit the hospital the same way you visit family (lol it's free)
b)Bureucrats and politicians deciding to cut costs and actually rake in a profit from Health services they can use to balance budget (because they spent 30% of tax income on extra funding for the Israeli Defense Force or on illegals gibsmedat).

Don't dismiss the whole system.
Dismiss the fucktards who fuck it up.

People turn hypocondriac because there is a single-payer system. When there's something free, there's no need to show any restraint.

Individual Doctors don't. But the company they work for does.
And yeah the USA and UKs current public systems encourages maximum turnover in patient numbers.

This is why it needs to be militarised, to ensure it can be properly run and resources distributed appropriately.
This is why you need a fascist state, to create a society that can responsibly utilise this service.

Back before the internal market reforms the NHS faced a lot of problems courtesy of funding not going where it was needed due to political meddling and just a general pattern of politicians wanting big fancy projects they could point to and go "I did that, vote for me"
Oh and of course the general unhealthiness of urban living that was just fucking everything and sucking more and more resources into the cities. While they shut down the strategic planning elements of the service to lay the groundwork and public discontent for privatisation.

After the internal market reforms the NHS was privatised. The last vestiges of strategic planning were stripped away and now everything had to be done "profitably" with the money still coming from the public purse but also paying for the profit of private companies and a ludicrously complex and inefficient system of contractual agreements between every fucking part of the old system.
Assuming of course said parts survived. Which a lot did not.
Used to be you could guarantee at least basic medical attention anywhere in the country, now whole swathes of the rural regions are without even the most primitive emergency medical provisions. You suffer a serious injury in the Highlands? Airlift is probably an hour or two out and then its a few more hours until you even see even a basic emergency room.
The old cottage hospitals that could provide that basic life saving emergency treatment in the more remote areas of the nation were simply not profitable and were shut down.

Yeah, but half the countries in europe figured out how to fix that.
Speaking from Portugal: we just slapped a 20$ fee for using the ER.
Go figure, the hypocondriacs healed themselves, who would've guessed.
If you come in with a broken leg or you intestine have fallen out from your mouth, the 20$ tax barely matters.
But if you decide "oh, a red boil on my hand, better go to the ER" every week, it's gonna weight down on your purse.
At least the few hypocondriacs left help fund the rest of the system.

That's what junior doctors or nurses are for.

WHAT THE FUCK AM I READING
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WRITING
JESUS FUCK WHAT

Fucking hell mate, after writing a post, please, for the love of God, re-read what you wrote before clicking "New Reply".

Only way single payer has a hope in hell of ever working is everyone is working and paying into it. As the leech class increases, the gov starts cutting services/coverage and the skilled doctors find a new country to work in.

The basic idea is you turn your nationalised healthcare into a civil service that is structured and behaves like a military force.

You sign on for a tour of duty that covers so many years in exchange for your medical schooling costs being covered.
Then you get sent where you're needed rather than the current setup where most medical professionals flock to the cities and fight over positions at a handful of facilities.
Resource and staff distribution is treated like an ongoing war or the defence of the nation.
Stick around once your tour is up? You get perks such as some control over where you're sent.

Never known a military doctor or dentist that wasn't at least competent and committed to helping their patients. Which is a lot more than can be said for most modern doctors running around in the NHS circuit.

Making people pay a small entrance fee only discourages those with minor problems.
As you've mentioned, nobody cares about the $20 when they have a broken leg. People are still going to do stupid things, because they know they can get free healthcare for $20. If people had to pay for their own healthcare they wouldn't be as overweight, they wouldn't go skiing if they can't afford to pay for a broken leg or rib, they wouldn't play extreme sports, eat as much garbage, drink, smoke, do drugs, etc.
When people are shielded from the consequences of their actions they do stupid things and the taxpayers then have to pay for it. You always run into socialist incentive problems with free shit.

Doesn't work like that in Canada. For example walk-in's and hospitals operate as non-profits, the board that oversees the hospital are wage capped and it's all public information to boot. There's always been hypochondriacs though, even when there wasn't "lol it's free." The people who generally fuck it up are people who illegally enter and try to get healthcare, or in Canada's case Americans who illegally claim residence for healthcare. Ontario spends 20% of it's healthcare budget on American jumpers for example.

Most doctors work for themselves. Even the HMO's the doctor owns their own share 90% of the time, that's the "company the doctor" works for. Themselves. Unless you're trying to argue that the doctors also own the pharmacies(they don't) it's illegal in every western country for one thing.

Most of what needs to happen is the gutting of bureaucrats nothing else. In Ontario, ~20% of workers are directly employed by the government, that's bureaucracy in action. "Need a fascist state" yeah, let's look at those fascist countries…well…I guess roachroom operating tables are sure great!

Here in the UK Doctors work for surgeries and hospitals.
Many are partners in a surgery but few outright work for themselves.
Elsewhere they typically work for whoever provides their facilities even if they're technically self employed. It's similar to a scam you see here in the UK heavily used by delivery companies where their drivers are strictly self employed but only work for that company.

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Yeah, so the doctors are working under someone else and that makes them making money off scrips how? Right. They're not. Hospitals and surgery clinics again don't operate dispensary services like that. On top of that single payer in the UK pays for scrip services and are audited on a regular basis to stop exactly what you're talking about. The NHS has far more problems relating to bureaucracy and it taking money out of the system then anything else.

I smell a lolbergtard.

Also consider that most doctors are complete fucking morons. The platform of solemn respect that the jews have caused us to elevate them on is completely undeserved. I have several doctors in my family and they are total mouthbreathers. Just go into any medical practice or hospital anywhere and count the number of stinky pajeets, overweight boomers, and insectoid gooks running around thinking they are some sort of miracle workers for emptying their prescription pad several times a day.

One relative of mine is a well to do internist that weighs almost 500 pounds in his late 30s. He almost got pushed out of medicine altogether because he was skimming drugs from the anesthesia cabinet daily and then pounding fast food cheeseburgers and cheap wine all night until he passed out and did it again the next day. People trust this man to intervene in their biological being. I can barely even stand to talk to him because he is such a mouthbreather. The number of doctors I have met that are similar levels of degenerate is disturbing.

GP surgeries make money off of patient numbers. The more patients they have the more money they get from the public purse.
Hospitals make money off billing GP surgeries for patient referrals (and get a block grant to run A&E services)

Hence everyone is focused on volume.
Getting people in and out as quickly as possible.

A quality doctor can't survive in that environment because he'll be given the boot for spending too much time on a single patient. If he's lucky he'll be able to build enough of a reputation before then that he can move into a more exclusive setting.

In the US doctors can bill from the CPT manual for the act of prescribing medicine. For example, a doctor gives you a psych drug, they write a script and then bill your insurance for 90863 Psychotropic Pharmacologic Management Services. IIRC that code generally presents ~$150 to the insurance company and the doctor gets paid about a third of that. This is separate from the actual cost of purchasing the drug that is billed through the pharmacy that fills the prescription.

Insurance is a hedge against risk, you're paying a small amount to avoid the risk of paying a large amount.
This is why traditionally you can only buy insurance against catastrophic events, like fires, burglaries, accidents, etc.

Paying into an insurance pool for everyday things, is not even insurance in the traditional sense of the word, since there's no risk involved. Most health insurance is not even insurance, it's just a convoluted way to pay for things that should be paid out of pocket.

Hah oh wow.
So it's even worse than here.

I would go further and say that it is a social ill to either mandate insurance for engaging in normal activities or make it a de facto requirement to function in some capacity.

Auto insurance is a great example. At this point in my life I could have purchased several nice vehicles for what I have paid into insurance, which I have never once used, and only carry because I can't renew my fucking registration sticker every year without it.

Thats why I stand by my point that doctors, at least in the US, are nothing but jewish poison dispensers. They make a shit load of money just off of trucking people through and renewing their prozac or lipitor scripts every few months. Very few doctors in the US ever do anything substantively 'medical' after they leave school. Instead they manage an army of overweight "billing professional" women while collecting the data required from patients to submit claims forms to insurance and emptying their prescription pads.

Well fuck I guess germs don't exist, no need to wash my hands after taking a shit. Go die in a fire, kike shill

If you make eugenics a state policy, you can carry on some otherwise dysgenic programs. I personally think the best system is a very strict eugenics/genetic screening policy combined with at least partial state healthcare. The former should massively reduce the strain on the latter. Unless, of course, you're a cuckservative trying to ride on the coattails of Holla Forums's success and are actually opposed to any kind of abortion - even eugenically mandated - for religious reasons and any kind of collectivism out of team allegiance.

Well I never said the US healthcare system wasn't a shambles.

If eugenics was state policy there wouldn't be any dysgenic programs.

No, you're missing the point. From a very strictly darwinian point of view, treating people who suffered car crashes but cannot afford to pay for expensive reconstructive surgery is dysgenic because it allows people who are potentially slightly more likely to suffer such crashes to survive and reproduce. In practice, this is completely offset by the fact that you can eugenically select for more intelligent and methodical indivduals much faster than natural selection would. A eugenics program means doing things that actively select for better individuals, not necessarily removing every single factor that might select for weaker individuals.

Quit being a fucking lolberg. There is nothing wrong with having a safety net in place if you don't allow the lazy retards of your population to reproduce at all.

To be fair.
Possessing large quantities of jewbucks is not an evolutionary trait.

It makes absolutely no sense to undermine a eugenics program with dysgenic programs. Either the racial hygiene of the nation is paramount, or it isn't.

Any time you separate the person receiving the service from the person paying for the service you destroy the market, resulting in inevitable collapse.

Insurance does this by loading the market with middle man bloat until it becomes unsustainable. Single payer does the same by reducing the supply of the service until it becomes unsustainable.

Replacing one retarded fuckup with an even more retarded fuckup is retarded.

I've run a few self-funded insurance plans for about 7 years now.

Yes and no. Insurance is no more a scam than the casino is a scam. When people hit jackpots, they pay out. When insurance companies get pinned with claimants who rack up millions in benefits, they pay out. They can kvetch all they want, but I (the insured) can always go to the State Insurance Commissioner and get them assraped right out of the state market if they fuck with me too much. Don't misunderstand, insurance is a Jew scam if you're shitty at understanding what insurance is, just like the stock market would seem like a scam if you knew little to nothing about it. There are ways to play and win, but you are correct insofar as most people who have insurance do not understand it, and people selling insurance prey on ignorance in order to sell more.

What's closer is

Insurance is a tool of finance, and go figure Jews are very good at fucking with finances to make usurious gains, ie: interest.

A lot I could get into about fundamentals, but like I said, the foremost thing you must remember is that insurance is a tool of finance and moreover, most people don't know how the fuck it works (fundamentally), just that they "need it."

In reality, only some people need insurance. Plenty of people need MEDICAL WELFARE and not even arguing semantics, they are two completely different things. One is food stamps, the other is a fucking 401k. People confuse the two and think everyone needs a 401k, and we wind up with some bullshit like Social Security becoming "retirement welfare" and you all see how well that's turned out.

Odds are near certain we will wind up in the same scenario with healthcare. The will of the American populace to fight for their right to NOT have insurance is simply not strong enough. In the end, the people just want quality affordable healthcare when they need it. That's it. And all it will take is enough kvetching by the right people to shove ACA 2.0 down through the legislature and we'll have it de-facto. Not outright, but in essence, we will have social med when the government becomes the majority payer of all healthcare claims.

We're actually pretty close as it stands right now with roughly a third of insureds having some type of Medicare. As soon as that number tips past 50%, the government will at that point be the majority payer, and hence they will have the market share that dictates the prices of medical goods and services. I mean they already do now, but it will just be the soft start of the spiral into hard social med.

PAY FOR NIGGERS TO GET FREE HEALTHCARE IT'S THE NATIONAL SOCIALIST THING TO DO AMIRITE??

You have the jew living in your head. Insurance is a scam like charging interest is a scam, not like Prince DaKwon from Nigeria is trying to scam you out of your western union wire. Insurance is largely unnecessary and usually intertwined with coercive government or social practices to convince people to fork over money they really shouldn't.

Before you come back and tell me about how I don't understand muh complex financial technicals, stop and think about how many jews make tens or hundreds of millions of dollars a year solely off the money they collect from people's insurance premiums. Bro tip: Carleton King of Aetna is a real life example.

Fundamentally, no. Risk transfer (read: insurance) isn't scam. Saying all insurance is a scam is like saying all banking is a scam. Is a nationalized bank loaning at zero interest a scam? If it is, then I guess you disagree with that part of National Socialism. A nationalized bank loaning at zero interest or fees to its own citizens in the interest of the country isn't a scam because there's no usury involved. The fundamentals aren't the issue, it's when private (often international) interests, profit, and fiat are inserted that the Jew becomes apparent because there is zero benefit to the nation in a nationalized bank profiting off of its own citizenry. A multinational banking corp on the other hand has zero qualms about bleeding a nation dry and absconding away when the country is left a dried up hellhole.

Commercial insurance is a scam because there's profit built into every premium. Self-funded plans aren't the same and they function closer to the fundamentals of insurance because there is no profit margin present. There are admin fees, but then how are you going to pay all those people to push all that data around required to keep the wheels turning? Even if it was purely nationalized, the government has to pay overhead to keep a claims system running.

Self-funded programs or Amish Aid is closer to what insurance should look like fundamentally. And yeah if you want to watch the video , I state that insurance companies have made record profits every year off of the ACA (for a variety of reasons).

I'm not trying to defend the private insurance sector, and consider that the days of private commercial (health) insurance are numbered. Like I said over a third of insureds are already on some form of Medicare. We're going to social med, hard or soft, one way or another in the next decade barring civil war or some similar serious disruption. The odds of that NOT happening are about the same odds as Trump or someone similar dismantling the Fed and executing a hostile nationalization of the banking sector. It could happen and it would be great, but considering the money involved, it's just not looking likely. Such is the same with the private health insurance sector. How do you dismiss billions upon billions of private ownership? Hostile or not - that's just the hurdle that has to be crossed if you're going to tear it down.

Odds are more likely that instead of being dismantled, the private commercial sector will just get co-opted and become something kind of like Boeing or Northrop Grumman insofar as it largely exists on government contracting. The contracts with the government will be to administrate the healthcare of the nation. Unfortunately there will be a profit margin installed - except this time it will be government mandated and paid with taxes instead of something you can simply choose not to buy.

. Back in the days before insurance, if your house burned down your friends, family and neighbors would donate to help you with the building of a new house. When it insurance came around nobody had to worry about such things anymore. Insurance is one of greatest things that ever happened, allowing millions of people to sleep sound at night without having to worry about losing everything. Not everything you don't understand is a jewish scam.

How is that a scam?

Given the context of the next sentence:
Insurance fundamentally doesn't involve profit margins, and I'd wager the only "profit" that results from insurance like that would be the risk mitigated from using it.

United Healthcare earned (profited) $3.0 billion at a margin of 3.6% in just the first quarter of 2016.

Explain to me again how insurance doesn't involve (fat) profit margins?

Oh, I probably should have clarified. Insurance companies definitely do pull in massive profit margins. When I said insurance fundamentally don't involve profit margins I was referring to this post . He says, or at least implies, the risk mitigation tool that is insurance does not have to involve profit. I am well aware that this isn't how insurance works in the real world, as jews rake in the shekels by the millions every day from it.

But insurance fundamentally does involve profit. Not necessarily financial profit, but profit nonetheless.

Everything does.

Because if something doesn't, then people don't do it. At least not unless someone else forces them to do it, which is, not to put too fine a point on it, slavery.
And in the most jewish way possible. When a wite man wants to maximize his profits from providing a service, he does everything he can to maximize his production, lower his prices, and increase his sales thereby. Jews simply do whatever they can to avoid providing the paid for service. This is how insurance fucks you.

What's retarded about single payer is it replaces (((insurance companies))) getting in between you and your doctor with (((government))) getting in between you and you doctor. Swapping one shit show for a bigger shit show is never a good idea.

Germs that are the bad kind of bacteria or a virus effect you more if you're at your low point. You think Aryan blood is that weak that a mere microscopic life can be brought down without subconsciously allowing it? kek go back to kikeland.

can bring down a superior life form I meant.

Precisely. The issue is not that insurance companies make profits, it's that they make billions and don't give back excess profits to their customers. Insurance companies have no need to expand after the market is saturated, so there's nothing to invest in and large profits are superfluous.

The issue is that insurance, by its very nature of being a (((middle man))), does not actually produce the service the customer pays it for. Insurance companies don't cure diseases. Doctors do. So insurance companies are not able to profit, or increase their profits, by maximizing efficiency and production (thereby lowering the unit cost to the consumer while increasing the product sold). Instead, insurance companies can only maximize their profits by working both ends to limit the market. They maximize the premiums paid to them by limiting patient access to doctors, and minimize the costs they pay by minimizing doctors access to patients.

It works like this: the insurance company tells doctors, "charge us a reduced rate for health care or we won't add you to our 'group' and none of our customers will become your patients so you won't get paid at all." So doctors charge them a reduced rate and inflate their charges for the uninsured to break even. Or just inflate their charges so it appears to the insurance companies that they're getting a reduced rate. Meanwhile these inflated doctors fees on the uninsured force more and more people to get insurance to pay for "unaffordable" health care, limited to the insurance company's 'group'. This results in an upward spiral of costs and premiums across the board, with the (((middle man))) insurance company (who is also likely the doctor's malpractice insurer etc.) taking it all right off the top.

This would be illegal racketeering if they didn't already own congress.

But at least there's still a limited choice for the consumer between which insurance racket he permits to fuck him. That nominally put a damper on the upward price spiral.

Replace the (((insurance companies))) with (((government))) and that consumer choice goes away, replaced by an unshiftable monopoly with capital authority that can charge and pay what it pleases, health care availability and quality be damned.

Why the fuck do people still think that's a good idea?

Reminder that there is no viable political solution to any of the problems being discussed in this thread. All nonwhites, which of course includes jews, must be forcefully removed from white nations through deportation or extermination, whatever is most convenient. People that willingly accepted money in exchange for harming white society on behalf of the jews needs to be publicly executed. Only in the absence of the degenerate and wicked influence of the jew and their beasts of the field can we achieve a once-again functional society.

giving niggers welfare keeps them out of crime more and giving them healthcare helps stop them from spreading diseases to white people.

Germanic Medicine is pretty good.

Literally everyone here still falling into the same bullshit Capitalist/Marxist dichotomy. Because no one is understanding that you cannot have any of this shit until you remove the Jew. If you institute ANY of these programs, programs that white nations SHOULD have for their people, you will end up with an abomination of what it was originally supposed to be. Because that's what Jews do.

We SHOULD have single-payer. BUT —- it should and could ONLY be in a society that is Jew-free, that promotes strong family values, and heavily places an emphasis on physical fitness, mental well being, and an overall prosperous mentality in it's people.

Until you have all those components, everything will fail. It's a SYSTEM. Not a single component.

Example: Wanna bake a cake??

Just use eggs: Fail
Just use flour: Fail
Just use pinch of salt: Fail
Just use butter: Fail
Just use cream: Fail
Just use sugar: Fail
No using oven: Fail

You have to have every ingredient in it's proper place, in it's proper order, in it's proper quantity. Otherwise the entire thing is a failure. Which is why if you want single-payer, you HAVE to have a white-only nation that gets rid of the Jew first. The Jew will wreck everything. Every fucking time.

Until you get rid of the Jew, nothing is possible. So this discussion is meaningless until then. It's based off a false premise and can never work until the proper prep-work has established the right conditions for the system to function as it is supposed to.