Given the recent spate of bait threads about the nonexistent benefits of mass migration...

Given the recent spate of bait threads about the nonexistent benefits of mass migration, and the preponderance of burgers bitching back and forth over yuropoors, perhaps a more constructive discussion of the opposite end of the greater issue is in order. Also, as a bit of a case study.

Beaners, burgers, and others, why is Mexico so shit? How shit is it? Was it ever less shit? What could we do to unfuck it? What are the chances we actually will unfuck it?

Being an ignorant ugly American, my knowledge of Mexico and its recent political history is somewhat limited, but:

Current crises:

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forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2015/04/21/these-countries-have-the-most-annual-working-hours-infographic-3/#1dd5e38b644b
thirdworldtraveler.com/NAFTA_FTAA/Blame_NAFTA.html
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Mexico#Components
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you wanna know how someone is an internet anarchist or in no way an anarchist? They say "ancom" instead of anarchist.

There is a serious lack of organization, due to the fact that people inspired to achieve better livivng conditions take the easy route and move to the US

there are no strong unions because all the Unions formed in the last century are now corrupt oligarchies that work as political leverage

Honestly a revolution is not possible, or at least wont be since any form of movement will me immediately crushed by the US

The only waymforward is a slow and steady one, Mexico will be one of the last nations to fully industrialize

Not all nations are created equal. Mexico is deeply fragmented. Since the times of the Viceroyalty, the main resource to exploit has been CHEAP LABOUR, as Mexican natives weren't exterminated as hard as their American counterparts. Mexico is a country of slaves and Mexico's elites have done their best to keep it this way to this day.

And yes, the Mexican "Revolution" failed, calling it a "civil war" would be more honest. But the myth of the "revolution" is even perpetuated by Mexico's own education system.

My only consolation is at least we have a very pervasive anarchy, and also the blurring of racial division among the classes. Mexico's elites aren't 100% European anymore, and that's a small gain.

In what way is race even relevant? How is the elites' heritage a small gain?

At least the profits don't go straight to Europe. Also white elites can attempt to "justify" their callousnes with "racial supremacy".

Mexico has been shit since Cortéz. It was actually pretty fucking awesome before that. Who says that you need a river to develop large grains and become an agricultural center?

You need to go back.

If all the wetbacks go, who will pick your fields?

Uhh, uhhhh, the American prisoners!

Make slavery a thing again!

No

Are there really only about three Mexicans here?

Mexicans on the internet tend to be right wing edgelords, because having an internet connection at home is still kind of a muh privilege, and muh privileged kids grow up sheltered and afraid of the rabble.

Don't inmates work already? How many more would have to be thrown in jail to match the output of the expelled illegals?

As if America's justice and prison system wasn't huge and corrupt enough already. Careful what you wish for.

Machines?

If you like getting your heart ripped out, sure


What a meme.

It's far more simple: they are flagposters.

What machines? You better star building an army of them if you want the illegals out.


NOT AN ARGUMENT

Can anyone articulate how NAFTA actually hurt Mexico? Seems to me like it would have been a boon for them at America's expense.

American agriculture has huge government subsidies. Mexican producers can't compete with that.

Can you explain what the means more explicitly? I'm dumb.

How do you prevent mass migration under an international communist system that knows no borders or states?

Even if you solve every problem in human society natural disaster can still force masses of people out of their homes.

So? are you suggesting that victims of, say, a tsunami should just stay put and drown?

What can be done about it, besides repealing NAFTA?

The Mexíca had only been dominant for a little while, and their empire was already falling apart. Besides, it's not like you would have gotten anything better in 16th century Spain.

It means that, even though Mexico has the capacity to feed itself and then some, its agricultural industry has been laid waste by super cheap imports from the United States.

Doesn't Mexico work the most hours on average in the world?

I thought that was Americans.

The Mexican government has been taking huge loans from international banks to help, but that just makes the hole deeper.
Chinese leader Xi Jingping said that Mexico should become like China and bring back child labour, but that only makes Mexicans more willing to jump the border.

A complete reform of agriculture and industry (a revolution), with property seizures and all could make it work, but there's a ton of internal resistance and also America is very good at counter-revolution.

So IDK. I've always thought that education is the final answer, but if I say that seriously I'll be called a pot smoking dreamer.


Google says it's Mexicans, way more than burgers.

No.
Mexicans are slaves:
fortune.com/2015/11/11/chart-work-week-oecd/
usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2016-09-02/hardest-working-countries-ranked-by-hours-worked-per-year
forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2015/04/21/these-countries-have-the-most-annual-working-hours-infographic-3/#1dd5e38b644b

Much of what the original-poster described has been experienced or witnessed personally.

One "is a Mexican", so ask a question if you would like.

European traditions like being hanged, drawn and quarterd aren't any more humane. It's the same "terrifying display of power" bullshit. You better shut your ignorant hole.

What could Americans do to help the situation?

How much of the population has the Mexican agriculture sector even employed in the past few decades? Are there other sectors that make up a substantial portion of migrants?

Is a pan-Latin union feasible at this point?

With the advantage in purchasing power, an American working class person could become a small time capitalist in Mexico, and bring prosperity to both parties.

Curb mindless consumerism, save that money, and start a business in Mexico. It's WAY cheaper.

Of course there's cons like lack of public safety, and the language barrier, but both can be fixed with a bit more money too, for translators, and for "protection" if it comes to that. The government can be a pain in the ass, too.

So it's not easy of course,but it's been done with some success, and there's profit to be made.

YES BUT THEY USED HORSES AND ROPES SO CLEARLY THEY WERE MORE TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED AND THEREFORE MORE CIVILIZED

I meant more like what sort of policies could we push for here in the US.

I don't know, man. I was gonna say teach more Spanish at school, but that always gets people triggered. I was gonna say policies that encourage small businesses, but I've heard that is not the American way.

For a second I thought that the answer was right under my nose kek LEGALIZE IT, ALL OF IT. Drug trafficking has been a scourge on all of Latin America for decades, creating a heartless criminal elite and rotting the culture. But then I remembered all of the interests that plague the subject:
-The prison industry wants lots of prisoners
-Big pharma doesn't want any competition
-Arms industry sells guns and ammo to all gangbangers in the chain of distribution
-Intelligence community loves foreign criminal elements, both for espionage and subversion

I appreciate the sentiment, but I think first you have to deal with the current policies that predate on Americans, my friend.

Hell, adding to that, drug cartels make so much fucking money they can easily lobby against legalization.

Oh shit, that guy in the middle looks like CIA

Spanish language classes are not of much use in places where Spanish is not commonly spoken. It is very easy to forget Spanish when a person does not use it. I mean, it happens in like a month. I seriously had to relearn the language for my bachelors degree, and I forgot how to speak it again before graduation.

Isolanitionism might actually help, a less invasive US is always a plus, it's not really going to solve anything tho, just make it easier to cope with capitalists exploitation

Too bad all Trump plans to do is replace the TPP with something else.

Maybe watch some movies in Spanish for maintenance? Learn a song?
In contrast, English is everywhere so it's hard to forget. Movies, videogames, music etc…

I ain't saying it was any better with the spanish

I'm saying that getting your heart ripped out and killing pretty virgins isn't "awesome"

You guys assume any who go against you who doesn't have a flag is a right winger


I want you to say to a homeless man or unemployed man, to his face, that he's to lazy to work in a field

t.mexican

We have a theory worked out on /bane/ showing that CIA is a time traveler and exists across all time periods, like Batman in Final Crisis. For any given time period, there will always be a CIA.

I usually prefer libertarian socialist away from Holla Forums, since it triggers ancaps. That, or ansyn. We've all read the Infoshop FAQ, user.


I've also heard vaguely of a cultural animosity between immigrants, and those who stay behind, with people who return caught in the middle, complete with a choice selection of slurs.


Isn't the USA almost unique in the New World insofar as exterminating our aborigines? From South and Central America, through most of the Caribbean, clear to Canada, nothing like the USA's near-total genocide occurred.


The same people who did it after the discontinuation of the Bracero program with the (Mexican government-originated) Operation Wetback deportations, up until the titanic quota increases (following closely after skyrocketing Mexican unemployment) in the 1970s: Better-paid Americans.


How many long-term internal immigrants are produced by natural disasters inside the US or Europe? Except for areas that were already colossal shitheaps before any disaster hit, like New Orleans, I don't think there are hardly any.


Aside from what I mentioned in the OP (press-ganging people from the rest of the country up to the border, exposing them to oversubsidized American imports), the main problem with NAFTA is that while it did increase the per-capita size of the Mexican economy, it didn't actually increase the amount of money going in the typical Mexican's pocketbook, stripped away many of Mexico's already meager social institutions, and devastated the growth of domestic business in favor of transnational corporations:
thirdworldtraveler.com/NAFTA_FTAA/Blame_NAFTA.html


To add to that, Mexico is hardly the only example. 1st-world countries worldwide including Europeans have the same capacity as any other land-rich nation for agricultural production, but due to stricter industrial regulations and practices, 1st-world crops are too expensive to compete directly against 3rd-world crops.

Instead of doing something sensible, like putting tariffs on 3rd-world imports, or giving food aid to 3rd-world nations in the form of credits to be spent on whatever's cheapest, 1st-world governments pour tax subsidies from the rest of the economy into the 1st-world agricultural sector to prop it up, even for crops that are exported away from the taxpayers that subsidized it.

Another factor aggravating this is the biofuel Ponzi scheme (which due to negative ERoEI actually uses more fossil fuel to manufacture than it can replace), wasting precious farmland, driving up food prices, and even increasing pollution.

(lucky trips!)
Currently 18% of Mexican jobs are in agriculture (many more of the rural population's jobs in nominally non-agricultural economic sectors are, I suspect, exclusively tied to agriculture as well), but produce only 3.9% of GDP:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Mexico#Components


Live the Hotwheels life!

Nah the Australians are great at that too. Columbus also completely exterminated the natives of Hispaniola.

I'm sure that's true of a horrendously inefficient crop like corn, but there are some other sources like algae that aren't so bad.