The collapse of the Centre - an appeal

"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity."

"The best" are the qualified, the elite, the political-bureaucratic class, the financiers. "The centre" is their structure, the state, the networks, the cartels.

We are the worst. And I think you are shit. No really, I am a communist. Now is your time to leave. But why am I here anyway? I am here because I watched this
youtube.com/watch?v=du1VW6n1Hvs and specifically the part around 7:40. I had a friend for a while, who fell off the college track, became NEETish, played vidya and smoked weed and that was about it. I had to cut him out of my life because I had to leave that sort of shit behind, just like in the video. It also so happens that this person was a Hillary supporter, a smug Democratic centrist, basically everything you could hate about a liberal. So even though I think Murdoch has stupid motivations, what's at issue is that he gets up and does something about it.

If you are still here, avail yourselves of some work by the group Tiqqun, who published between 1999 and 2001. Here is one link
illwilleditions.noblogs.org/files/2017/04/Tiqqun-Intro-to-Civil-War-IWE-READ.pdf
Read at least "Civil War, Forms of Life" and "An Ethic of Civil War" and another libcom.org/library/theses-imaginary-party

The overwhelming force of today is existential liberalism, or Empire. But it does not confront us like an enemy, but rather as an environment that is hostile to us. It wants to make all life without consequences. Consume whatever you want, think and say whatever you want, fuck who or whatever you want. So long as you neutralize yourself.

But you and I are not content with this meaninglessness. We are ethically and politically polarized. "The only way to reduce the sphere of hostility is by spreading the ethico-political domain of friendship and enmity", "between enemies, no firearms are allowed".
"Civil war simply means the world is practice, and life is, in its smallest details, heroic"

I know you have seen the mobilizations as of late. Despite the stupidity and infantalism of the liberals and some leftists, the worst people in such a scenario are those who clamor for dialogue, for peace. They are true citizens.
They say history is over. That ideologies are outdated. They are afraid of what we can do. For mostly different reasons, we both want this present society to end as soon as possible. In fact it is already ruinous and falling apart. Our mobilizations demonstrate it. We do not need to confront the forces of Empire as an enemy. We need to SHAKE this motherfucker to the ground from each of our respective positions. We don't win by establishing the ethno-state or killing capitalists. We win by jamming the machinery and introducing paroxysms into the social fabric, furthering the process of ethical polarization until the state is completely stripped of legitimacy.
I propose this because we will never be able to fight out our fight under the rule of Empire.
Do you honestly think you will be given the right to rule and administer any Western country under the current power structure? Surely you must realize that without confronting the present power, you will be liquidated when the rulers decide it is expedient, as in the case of the Golden Dawn.

I lurk Holla Forums but I do not represent anyone. I merely present my own views.

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You didn't tell us anything we don't already know and has been repeated over and over again here and other places.

Very well.

You'll come around. What you'll find out is that the reason the most fervent historical NatSocs were former socialists/communists is the specific failure of Marxism: the best of you will be held back by the worst, and the only way to correct it is a permanent lurch into militaristic despotic serfdom.
A tale as old as time. Do as you see fit.

What are you even trying to say? Far right and left should work together for now to bring down the system? I've been saying that for a while but nobody wants to hear it. We have a lot of common goals and enemies.

Nobody presents there own views. Nothing new under the sun, it is an exceedingly rare and religious thing to acquire an original thought.

You're only a conmunist now bwcause your worldview is missing a few pieces to get it truly functioning. Lurk awhile and you'll find you almost hate your prior self.
Communism disregards what makes us human in favour of what makes us think. In this way the inhuman climb its ranks and make sure it's always a pyramid weighing downward. Traditionalism, natsoc, monarchism, to paraphrase an author there are no good governments, only those that work and those that don't.
Communism time and time again has shown to fail. Natsoc, where it arises, demands the greater part of the world descend upon it to cut it short.
For instance, hells to pay if anyone tries to halt China or Japan right now. Just a little monetary nudge towards work labor based currency and things get interesting.

Not that we should work together, but that the rootless state, as our common enemy, can be strained and its authority called into question if we keep assembling en masse and basically fight for ideals. I don't think either of our movements has a chance while the international order prevails.


I appreciate the thoughtful post.
Yeah I kicked myself immediately after posting that because what did I do but present some other people's views.
I wish you could be more forward. Are you saying blut und boden/being-in-the-world makes us human, and accuse communism-socialism of focusing on what precisely?
Uh, Russia 1917-18? Just because the world jumps on an insurgent force doesn't mean it's a good one. Where else did NatSoc get suppressed in that way?
As in, they are developing and being more geopolitically assertive? Sure, and of course their bitter rivalry.
isn't that what we nominally have now? I understand it's not so cut and dry but what are you getting at? Some sort of currency arrangement within a economically important country that defies the IMF/world finance system?

You know what? I agree. We may despise one another's ideals but what are we both, if you're a real marxist instead of a misinformed Socjus fool, opposed to? Global finance, global corporate hegemony, debt slavery, dumb wars for israeli/capitalist gain, etc. So if in fighting we tear the system asunder so be it. I will since you seem to operate with good faith simply warn you, if you are white then beware the left's pet vibrancy, if you even taste victory they will start eating you alive like the rabid dogs they are.

So much this. If the left was actually for the things they claim they are for instead of being anti-white pawns we could achieve great things together.

I also agree. I was just watching "antifa vs nazis" type compilations on youtube and it just made me sad. I wish the antifa people were ideologically honest and would be more open to hearing us out. We're not so different and I think the true far right has more in common with the true far left than with today's center rightists. At least the true left sees that the system is corrupt and terrible instead of being a blind supporter of the status quo like your average patriot or liberal. If there are any true leftists remaining instead of anti-white decolonialist social justice losers masquerading as socialists for the gibs, I'd be very happy to see us casting aside partisanship and working together for the common good of our people.

What are most antifa but the lowest of the low? In a strategic scenario their chances of success in the US is almost vanishingly small. They are numerous, vitriolic and incapable of argumentation. However they too place a strain on the system in that they force normalfags away from the centre. In that regard antifa are our best friends. It's just that they'd kill us, our pets, families, and anyone else we associate with given a chance. Antifa as such is the rabid dog we need running around fucking the place up and chewing on and then pissing on the foundations.

Yeah as an organization they are good for turning people rightward with their horrible optics. But in moments of weakness I feel bad for our misguided brothers and sisters who as individuals are drawn to controlled op revolutionary movements like that and wish they could be brought to the light. We need people who are willing to take action against the system and if they only knew a bit more they would be NatSoc instead of communists.

Also discourse in and of itself is not the worst. It's the retreating into little ponds afraid of a larger forum which enables all of this. I take it you have seen "the selection for societal sanity"' it should always be regarded as required viewing. The problem is our elites want us to retreat to small ponds, what we do is vie to conquer as many small ponds as possible to create context for ourselves instead of allowing the "system" or (((them))) or whoever to create context for us.

b-but establishing an entho-state for dutch people is exactly what I call winning

while fighting some vague notion of empire and getting butthurt about power control structures is what I call fighting against nature itself instead of for it

Look into the eyes of the average antifa and study their features. Note the cold, dead expressions that almost lack animation, then note the vileness they do which when successful yields the only emotion they are capable of, a form of sadism even most trolls would baulk at. They are dead already. Does something like a self even exist inside of them? I'd hypothesise aside from the odd one who can stop and think (which is exceedingly rare) the answer is a blunt "no" they upon hearing any dissenting worldview lash out like good little golems for the liberal world order all the while thinking themselves revolutionary and guess what? They don't even need to revolt since all they fight for is their own comfort anyway. They are the ultimate end users, it's just that they can't maintain anything they use and their hedonism is in and of itself destructive.

Me the Anarchofascist (Order of Nine Angles) waging a war against jews, the mundane, and the untermensch.

Me the fusion of far-left and far-right into a practical, working, and potent paradigm that is able to fight the enemy on all fronts.

mewch.net/fringe/res/193.html

I find it advantageous to look at our relationship with the left like twins that are vying for control. Romulus and Remus in fact, both of us will pull the indolent bureaucrats off their throne through our actions but only one of us can occupy the throne. The problem is one of us merely wants what the bureaucrats want to happen to come faster and the other wants to destroy all the bureaucrats have wrought.

I fight for nature and tradition. I am anarchistic in my methods and in my relation to law and on in my personal dealings. I'm fascistic as well though in so many ways.

I have just one core issue and that is the composition of the people. A degenerated, mundane, and mixed demographic has no chance to create a worthwhile society; whereas a strong, healthy, godly, and pure people naturally produce a golden society.

This is the core of NatSoc, Esoteric Hitlerism, and so on. We need to control the quality of the populace. Everything else then just falls into place.

No more muds, no more sickly deranged jews, no more degenerates and bsrs. We need to cull the untermensch, the mundane, and the parasite.

Most Antifants you see in public at protests and gatherings have spent days working themselves into a emotional frenzy bordering on hysteria, which explains a lot of the body langauge on display.

I agree with you. We are both opposed to the power of globalist jewish oppression. There was a lot of potential for us to work together back in 2016 with Bernie Sanders and Trump, both representing a populist reaction against the establishment. I remember hearing many berniefags voicing supporting for Trump over Clinton and her globalist neoliberalism.

Since then, however, I fear that cooperation is going to be very hard until there is a popular leader on the left who is truly anti-establishment. In the end Bernie submitted to the power of the establishment and told his minions to support Hilary over Trump and every manifestation of the left lately have been vile pawns of the elite like antifa/BLM.

From what I've seen the radicalization of the left to support the anti-white, anti-traditional, pro-globalist agenda will be the biggest obstacle. As we can see on reddit, all of the leftie subreddits like r/socialism are shitholes where users are banned for drawing catgirls because it's "misogynistic".

I have no qualms with Holla Forums or any other anti-SJW and anti-globalist leftists. I wish we could work together but I simply don't see it happening. What i see as more likely is more former moderates and lefties are driven to the right, as that's exactly what happened to me and many other I've talked with, both in real life and on Holla Forums.

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One of the things about Tiqqun that I find interesting and definitely not Marxist is that they have given up on the idea of an ecumenical world communist society in favor of plurality. They also talk about routing and sabotaging the left. They are very influenced by Heidegger and I am so glad I finally read him. His critique of modernity is astounding, like certain parts of Being and Time concerning das Man, being-in-the-world, language & discourse, idle talk, etc.

A serious question: what are your ideas on international relations? Specifically in the context of Europe's colonial history. A lot of our wealth and food come from other places. Do you intend to be more self-sufficient as a nation?


I'm very influenced by Marx and consider myself a Marxist. Opposed to
yes I am. However please consider that those wars are not 'dumb' for the people calling the shots. They happen for reasons including stimulating the war-economy and gaining overseas resources.


I rather feel this lately. I feel like maybe we don't understand enough about each other. I mean, there is diversity even on the fringes and there are potential differences and overlaps we aren't aware of. For the left, I get the feeling that there is confusion between theoretically oriented communists and pro-revolutionaries and liberals. Often they mix and don't attempt to distinguish themselves, because the radicals want a foothold within a larger group. But it's really just embarrassing, the same old chants, same sorts of demonstrations. The left isn't FOR anything at all to be quite honest. The closest there is to a positive program is the same shit system just a little less shitty.

to be fair, they are scared you want to kill them all and why shouldn't they be? I don't really care about being anti-fa even if I am ideologically because I'd rather be pro-revolution than anti-marginal group (no offense)


Fuck man. Look at my reply above concerning this mutual fear. It's really too bad. The left really is a funny mixed-bag. There are the aspiring middle managers who might call for your death but would have someone else do it, and the rabid socjus folks but they are the limp-wristed and resentful, probably can't point and shoot a gun to do the job even if they are the most vocal.


I have not, but I think that what you say is indubitable.


I'm trying to talk about the actual system not some notion or idea. I also don't think that such power structures are natural or desirable.
This also goes for the whole ethos of "culling" mentioned elsewhere.

Obviously I don't speak for us all but I think the general consensus here is that slavery was a big mistake for demographic reasons but also because it hurt the working class who couldn't compete with free labor, much in the same way that mass third-world immigration hurts the working class by undercutting their wages and more workers means workers are more replaceable and treated poorer by their employers.
Autarky is a fascist goal, and one of the reasons we admire North Korea. Some argue that Juche is a form of Korean National Socialism. I find it interesting that both Holla Forums and Holla Forums identify politically with NK, I think that could be a bit of common ground.

Watching videos of things like the Bush protests really put it all in perspective.
We tend to assume everybody on the left are closet communists working in unison but I didn't know the left was confused as to who is what as well.
The left is full of contradictions that only make sense when you realize their overriding ideology is simply being anti-white. If it serves to tear down our civilization and race just a little bit more it's good, even if it normally would contradict one of their other supposed beliefs.
Yeah we feel the same way about those anticom groups that are springing up.

Out of curiosity, are you aware that Marx was a psychopath? How do you feel about psychopaths?

One more quick question: I am trying to understand your ideas via Murdoch Murdoch. Am I doin' it right?


Even if we didn't take people from one place to make them work for us in another, all the same we should be able to take coffee, bananas, sugar, etc from the equatorial regions because might makes right and superior culture etc?

I can tell you that the broad majority of Holla Forums does NOT identify politically with NK.
As for diversity in the left, let's look quickly at an anti-fa demonstration. Broadly speaking there are liberals who are there to hold a sign and chant, and then there are masked folks who are there for different reasons. Some of them are just macho and need something to oppose. But I assume that most people coming out to 'protest' are not really theoretically oriented. If the left has an ideology it is not anti-white but rather Nietzschean ressentiment. Speaking of, how do you feel about Christendom? Isn't it really just Jewish bullshit to make you feel good about being inferior?


I'm not aware. How was he diagnosed? By Jewish psychology? I'm not such a fucking imbecile that because X was Y everything about them gets thrown out the window.
Guy Debord was an alcoholic. Althusser killed his wife. etc.

Liquidate whome?
Im an OBGYN.
We dont need traditional levers of power for we are now the philosopher kings.
WE ARE ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL VIA MEME AND SUBTERFUGE.
WE CANNOT BE STOPPED BECAUSE WE ARE NOBODY.
You need to lurk more.

No. You are doing this completely wrong.
Your newfaggotry stinks and is deserving of a permaban.

OK.

OK. Yeah I am new. Wat do?

I can't vouch for this site or the article's author, but this pretty much sums it up. Worth a read.

sott.net/article/281383-Was-Karl-Marx-a-full-blown-psychopath

I did some research on psychopathy several years ago; I have three books on it and I've read more internet articles than I can remember. In more than one place did I see psychopathy specialists say that Marx was a psychopath based on what they know of him. Contrary to the article, I've also seen them say several times that Hitler was not, though they always have something bad to say about him.

I think psychology is largely jewish bullshit too, but all the psychopathy specialists seem to not be that same brand of douche; they have pretty solid stuff. Robert Hare especially.

lurk two years and begin to study jews in their natural habitat.
Lift.
get /fit/
get a white gf (if white otherwise anhero now/kill other nonwhites for us)
develop the ability to kill non-whites.
Become classically educated (beyond your current semitic education)
No fap for 5 years. Then come back and post.

????
become Holla Forums

I'm about to head out but I see it's a short piece so I will be able to give you all my thoughts later today hopefully.


I remember the first time I saw that image on 4/b/ and how funny I thought it was, like 7+ years ago…
Synagogues…..banks…?
been doing it for years
what does this even mean? I've read Plato, Aristotle, Descartes, Kant, etc
hmm…
mein gott

Kek it's just a cartoon for entertainment. View it like South Park for the alt-right. You can probably get an idea of what they believe and some meshes with our beliefs but keep in mind Holla Forums is not alt-right and we disagree with them on a lot of things. It's definitely more entertaining than reading political theory and maybe can convey the emotions that drive us better than just a text. Holla Forums would say our ideology is feels > reals and I agree to a certain extent, since ours is not a materialistic ideology like capitalism or communism. A lot of it is metaphysical/spiritual and a state of mind rather than any explicit economic plan.

I don't think anyone sees anything wrong with trading other than that luxury goods are degenerate. In the long term maybe we would invade and colonize their lands but since we've learned from the past we would probably exterminate them and bring in our own people to do the work like we did in North America. Should liberalism rise again, we don't want to end up like Britain and be overrun with the formerly conquered peoples so it's better to replace them. We aren't talking about global genocide though, just a few islands in the Carribean. Most climates aren't unique and most products could just be grown domestically. It might surprise you but we actually respect many cultures and would just leave them alone.
Oh, I guess they're all ours then.
Nietzsche is ours, how can an ideology that believes in equality ever identify with Nietzsche? He's like one step from Evola.
Pretty much, it's slave morality where whoever is the most meek and servile goes to heaven and if you defend yourself or fight back you're damned. I believe in God but I don't like Christian morality, it seems very unnatural and unhealthy.

Fuck dude I can't go 5 days I've been trying for a few weeks now but the longest I've gone is 4.

So nobody cares what you think.

Go watch your girlfriend fuck a nigger.

And while I'm here:
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lmao I have complete control over arousal and have completed years of no fap

Sounds like you broke your sex drive tbh, dyel?

What is dyel?

I just hacked my own subconscious to gain full control of that is all. I turn it on when it's needed. I am my own meta-programmer.

dyel = do you even lift

Sounds spooky

ok John Lily


You misunderstood what I said about Nietzsche. I'm saying leftists embrace what Nietzsche deplored, ressentiment as opposed to active nihilism/transvaluation.

I wonder how that works.


Read it. It's a shoddy, inconclusive hit-piece.
Factually inaccurate in several accounts pertaining to "Marxist states" and "economic theories" (it's a leap to say centralization made everything shit, Marx had no prescriptive economic theories).

are you insinuating that China and Japan are national socialist?

No, when the rootless cosmopolitans degenerate societal structure is threatened they do so

lol what an absolute faggot