Fish, EDC, the Third World, and You

Fish, EDC, the Third World, and You

Plastics have been in wide use since the 1950's. Back then, the effects of plastic on biological life were widely unknown. Today, we have a broad understanding on what exactly happens when you mix plastic with living organisms, be it fish, animals, or humans.

Plastic is a wide term to describe a variety of polymers such as PVC, nylon, polyethylene, etc. For many plastics, there exists a step to harden the polymer with a plasticizer, much like how carbon is added to rubber in the production of tires. A property of these plasticizers is hydrophobicity, which can be observed by running any plastic under the faucet and observing how the water is not absorbed, unlike cloth and other organic tissues. The plasticizers are effectively small “beads” that fill in pores scattered throughout the plastic. The smaller the “bead” of the plasticizer, the better they pack into pores without escaping. [1]

Because plasticizers are hydrophobic, they want to escape water constantly. When plastic is submerged in water, the plasticizers are struggling to stay within their pores. When subjected to UV radiation, chewing, heating, etc., they slowly release. If the plastic is swallowed, plasticizers are rapidly leaked out of the plastic into organic matter, escaping the pervasive water surrounding them. [2]

Plasticizers are commonly referred to as Endocrine-dirupting chemicals (EDC) because of how animals react to them. EDC are treated as hormones once they are inside of an animal, functioning as estrogen/androgen, or anti-estrogen/androgen. [2] If you have a perfect balance of estrogen and anti-estrogen, for example, you would not see any effects of estrogen outside of increased stress on the liver to process the artificial hormones. This balance is rarely observed in nature.

Fish are very sensitive to these EDC due to the aggressive disbursement of plasticizers in water. [3] As a result, physiological and behavioral changes are both rapid and severe. [4] Male fish are smaller, produce less sperm, are less aggressive in mating attempts, and in severe cases start to develop cyst-like eggs in the testis. Females are less likely to maintain nests, and begin to swim away from males. Intersex fish begin to be observed. [5] Hormonal release is well documented in fish, with females often releasing pheromones to influence male behavior in regards to mating (this was shown by castrated males ignoring the chemical signalers released by females). [6]

The most EDC comes from two sources: microplastics (pieces of plastic less than 5mm in diameter) and runoff from waste management/water treatment facilities. [7] In fact, the closer you are to an urban population, the more microplastics and EDC will be present in the water. [8] Even the weather effects the amount of these chemicals in the water, as there is a noticeable increase of EDC during rain and watershed. [9] The most common form of microplastic found in water is a microfiber, which is a small strand of microplastic, similar to the loops on velcro, or the padding on fleece. In fact, microfiber is so pervasive as to be in 87% of the world's drinking water, [10] with the overwhelmingly vast majority of it stemming from the third world. Greater than 90% of all plastic pollution in the world directly stems from Asia, Africa, and South America. [11]

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Because fish live in water, and the majority of water on the planet is infested with microplastic, fish end up consuming a large amount of it during their lives. Microplastic is quite progressive, as it does not discriminate on size, weight, age, sex, location, or species. [12] [13] The end result is microfibers being sold to consumers inside of fish [14], and the meat is contaminated with xenoestrogens. [15] Xenoestrogens have a catastrophic effect on biological life, being able to cause the complete extinction of an entire fish population in less than 3 years. [16]

Increased risk of: male infertility, male reproductive tract abnormalities (hypospadias, phimosis, cryptorchidism), uterine cysts, all types of cancer, early puberty, impaired memory, hyperactive thyroid, dysfunctional sexual behavior, neurological disorders, reduced immune-system function. [17] There is very little data from a pre-plastic era to compare to, but the effects of EDC on human life in a post-plastic age is all but confirmed. The effects do not lessen over time, as fish have already shown that successive generations only display worse effects, until they are completely unable to continue life. [16]

The only possible way forward is increased water purification research, to find a method that can work on a global scale. Introducing anti-estrogen and androgenic compounds could possibly slow or reverse the current trend, but is not a permanent solution.

Currently, there is no way to remove microfibers or EDC from water. All organic life will continue to absorb xenoestrogenic compounds for the foreseeable future.

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Sources:

[1] Teuten, E.L. et al. Transport and release of chemicals from plastics to the environment and to wildlife. The Royal Society of Publishing 2009, 2027-2045

[2] Yang C. Z. et al. Most Plastic Products Release Estrogenic Chemicals: A Potential Health Problem That Can Be Solved, Environ Health Perspect. 2011 Jul 1; 119(7): 989–996. Published online 2011 Mar 2. doi: 10.1289/ehp.1003220

[3] Mato, Y.; Isobe, T.; Takada, H.; Kanehiro, H.; Ohtake, C.; Kamihuma, T. Plastic Resin Pellets as a Transport Medium for Toxic Chemicals in the Marine Environment. Environmental Science and Technology 2001, 318-324

[4] Cole, B., Brander, S., Jeffries, K., Hasenbein, S., He, G., Denison, M., & … Connon, R. (2016). Changes in Menidia beryllina Gene Expression and In Vitro Hormone-Receptor Activation After Exposure to Estuarine Waters Near Treated Wastewater Outfalls. Archives Of Environmental Contamination & Toxicology, 71(2), 210-223. doi:10.1007/s00244-016-0282-8

[5] Weber, A. A., Moreira, D. P., Melo, R. C., Vieira, A. C., Prado, P. S., da Silva, M. N., & … Rizzo, E. (2017). Reproductive effects of oestrogenic endocrine disrupting chemicals in Astyanax rivularis inhabiting headwaters of the Velhas River, Brazil. Science Of The Total Environment, 592693-703. doi:10.1016/j.scitotenv.2017.02.181

[6] Munakata A, Kobayashi M. (2010). Endocrine control of sexual behavior
in teleost fish. Gen Comp Endocrinol 165:456–468.

[7] Teuten, E.L. et al. Transport and release of chemicals from plastics to the environment and to wildlife. The Royal Society of Publishing 2009, 2027-2045

[8] Yonkos L. T. et al. Microplastics in Four Estuarine Rivers in the Chesapeake Bay, U.S.A., Environ. Sci. Technol., 2014, 48 (24), pp 14195–14202 DOI: 10.1021/es5036317

[9] Moore C. J. et al. Quantity and type of plastic debris flowing from two urban rivers to coastal waters and beaches of Southern California, Journal of Integrated Coastal Zone Management (2011). DOI: 10.5894/rgci194

[10] Kosuth M. et al. “SYNTHETIC POLYMER CONTAMINATION IN GLOBAL DRINKING WATER.” orbmedia.org. Orb Media. Web, May 16, 2017.

[11] Laurent C. M. Lebreton et al. River plastic emissions to the world's oceans, Nature Communications (2017). DOI: 10.1038/ncomms15611

[12] Lusher, A.L.; McHugh, M.; Thompson, R.C. Occurrence of microplastics in the gastrointestinal tract of pelagic and demersal fish from the English Channel. Marine Pollution Bulletin 2013, 94-99

[13] Baldwin A.; Corsi S.; Mason S. Plastic Debris in 29 Great Lakes Tributaries: Relations to Watershed Attributes and Hydrology. Environmental Science & Technology 2016, 10377-10385

[14] Rochman, C.; Tahir, A.; Williams, S.; Baxa, D.V.; Lam, R.; Miller, J.T.; Teh, F.; Werorilangi, S,; Teh, S.J. Anthropogenic debris in seafood: Plastic debris and fibers from textiles in fish and bivalves sold for human consumption. Science Reports 2015, 5

[15] Law, A. S., Wei, X., Zhang, X., Mak, N. K., Cheung, K. C., Wong, M. H., & … Wong, C. C. (2012). Biological analysis of endocrine-disrupting chemicals in animal meats from the Pearl River Delta, China. Journal Of Exposure Science & Environmental Epidemiology, 22(1), 93-100. doi:10.1038/jes.2011.36

[16] Kidd KA, Blanchfield PJ, Mills KH, Palace VP, Evans RE, Lazorchak
JM, Flick RW. (2007). Collapse of a fish population after exposure to a synthetic estrogen. Proc Natl Acad Sci USA 104: 8897–8901.

[17] Damstra, T. et. al. Global assessment of the state-of-the-science of endocrine disruptors. The World Health Organization, International Programme on Chemical Safety. who.int/ipcs/publications/new_issues/endocrine_disruptors/en/

Spooky

Yes, but the spread is containable.
95% of plastic waste is produced by the third world, if you can curtail this, it buys you more time to salvage the situation.

I also forgot to mention that salinity has been shown to hinder the effects of EDC on fish, as in oceanfish react less to xenoestrogen than do riverfish.

COOL THREAD, AJ

If you were to take some sort of "anti estrogen" wouldn't it need to be a precise dosage, or would it not effect you in any meaningful way? What is an example of these compounds? Would they cause women to become more masculine?

Why would we, on Holla Forums, want to curtail xenoestrogens in the third world? Judging by their breeding habits, africa needs more.

So to save humanity the green party has to become the genocide party?
Green Genocide? Sounds literally xenophobic.

just like with nootropics and pinning sterons, you are treating your body like a science experiment. some people and fish are minimally effected by xenoestrogens, so taking anti-estrogen in that case will cause other maladies resultant from hormone imbalance. in either case there's no way to know for sure, I would suggest getting bloodwork done at your doctor and going from there.


because the third world pollutes the entire water cycle. nogs and bugpeople dumping millions of tons of plastic into their rivers translates to food you eat being contaminated with xenoestrogens


traditionalism/natsoc has always been the environmentalist party

do these "xenoestrogens" evaporate with the water into the clouds or do they stay where the niggers dumped the plastic?

they don't evaporate with water, but they do travel with the water in the ocean and through rivers. Anywhere humans are found, microfibers and xenoestrogens are found in the water.

proportionally, the largest amounts of plastic originated from the third world, but they are systemic at this point.

Ever buy food from the third world? Those cheap tuna cans have to come from somewhere and what better place than somewhere that you don't have to pay your workers.
I stand by my point that if we eradicated all human life from india and china almost all of the words problems would be solved.

I haven't been an advocate of the complete destruction of other races, beside juden, but ultimately I'm starting to believe its going to be a necessity.

Won't you be fine if you just don't eat fish or seafood?

The only things I can think of that eat fish that aren't also fish are things like bears, wolves, large cats, and we don't eat those things

Not to say that it isn't a global issue, but on a personal level, you'll probably be fine

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this shit is in many water supplies, water that is given to livestock and drank from taps by people. There is also the problem of airborne plastic particles, from which no city is safe.

As far as I know, the safest way to go is to drink rainwater, grow your own vegetables, and hunt your own meat, or buy wild caught game. I often catch and eat wild rabbits and wild pigs, and I like to share it around, but unfortunately it is illegal to do this, or to sell it. I have a little black market game thing going on, ten bucks a bunny. People are keen, it's just not made available to most.

OP is riddled with errors, the first of which is "harden the polymer with a plasticizer"


plasticizers make plastics less brittle or 'hard' and more flexible

next up is "carbon is added to rubber in the production of tires"

no sulfur is added to rubber to make it more stiff and durable. this is called vulcanization

"a property of these plasticizers is hydrophobicity"

this is accurate for all industrially significant plasticizers that i know of (by no means all of them) but its not a required property of plasticizers

"which can be observed by runing plastic under the faucet and observing how the water is not absorbed"


the vast majority of plastics will not absorb water and adding a plasticizer will not change this property of the plastic. the only plastics i know of that absorb water are Sodium Polyacrylate and Polystyrene sulfonate

"The plasticizers are effectively small “beads” that fill in pores scattered throughout the plastic. The smaller the “bead” of the plasticizer, the better they pack into pores without escaping. [1]"

your source says no such thing and this is incorrect. ive no clue where you got this idea

i could go on like this for the rest of the post but that would take too long 4 me

you realize that every living thing on this planet is connected to sea/ocean fish very closely right?
imagine none of this existed and then suddenly the levels we know of in oceans today did exist in oceans, just imagine
and there was still 0.0000000000% of this stuff anywhere not directly in the ocean
coastal birds, insects, would spread it to the coastal lands in 1 day, within a week things that dont directly interact with ocean would be spreading it inland

This is why Nature is so intricately woven into national socialism. Loving yourself and your people means loving your land and the living things around you, controlling for pests, not poisoning everything.

With the catalog being a shitshow over the last few days I have to take a moment and compliment OP for actually formatting so that his post doesn't resemble the physical manifestation of autistic screeching. Nice job. And thanks for the sources.

valid points, I am not a chemist or materials engineer, I only read what was contained in the life science journals. I will make some revisions on the second pass


"The polymer itself has a three-dimensional porous structure in which the additives are dispersed. The pore diameter and the size of the additive are correlated such that smaller (lower molecular weight) additives move more easily through a polymer with bigger pore size. Additives that fit more exactly in the pores have a small but not insignificant capacity to migrate. Therefore, the pore size in the polymer and the size of the additive molecule are important parameters."
[1] Teuten, E.L. et al. Transport and release of chemicals from plastics to the environment and to wildlife. The Royal Society of Publishing 2009, 2027-2045

Whatcha sliding moshe?

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let's get juden first, and wait a while, and see if it's still necessary, because I doubt it

Quick aside, many don't understand how dire this situation is. Salmon population has dropped so significantly in California and Oregon that fishing seasons are regularly cancelled. As in nobody is allowed to fish for salmon. There are no salmon being caught, because they have gone from over 700,000 to less than 50,000 in less than a fucking decade.

Source [16] is about a lake in Canada that had estrogenic chemicals introduced, and saw the near-extinction of the entire fish population in less than 3 years. The fathead minnows in that lake are abnormally resistant due to how long they live. Most fish don't have that luxury, and will go extinct even sooner, as we are currently seeing all over the planet.

It is puzzling how little people care about this, the effects are well recorded and universally observed. You don't even need to look at the science, just notice how often men are losing their hair, getting fat, getting depressed, not dating, not having children, getting cancer, etc. It, again, is happening across the globe.

Our entire species is being poisoned to death and nobody cares.

You'll be fine if you don't eat food

I am one step ahead of you op and already thought of somehow getting Tomaxifen (nolvadex)

As a Geologist I will say, no. Unless we are talking in terms of geologic time scales, the sea is where particulates end up and they essentially never come out in significant quantities. The fact that sea birds might shit barely contaminated feces in some coast areas and certain fish runs might bring comparatively(to the contamination present merely from refuse) into fluvial systems has no effect on someone more than 30 miles inland. I wouldn't have plastic or any other anthropogenic compounds in my water simply because I get it from an aquifer and a watershed very close to a continental divide(ie the beginning of a watershed). Stopping shitskins from dumping 95% of plastics into the ocean is helpful, but it has little direct impact on me or most of rural America. Don't act like we are all "intimately" connected in a material sense.

might as well start pinning test-e and dnp if you are gonna run nolva

this

Pic related, it's you

nolva? Thats what its called? But mang, I dont like cheating and destroying the endocrine system. I just want to reduce the impact of the huger estrogens on our system.

Bumping this. Its good shit, even with its flaws. We need more quality posts like this.

How about bottled spring water? Does the plastic from the bottle end up in the water?

its used when joining the /fraud/ club when your nipples start to itch to help prevent growing breast tissue
i have no idea what longterm continual use would do, ask /fraud/ on /fit/, the resident steroids community
all im saying is that if you are going to inject anti-estrogens, you might as well inject testosterone too


yes, source [2] deals with this i believe, they test various plastic containers. ones labeled BPA free are the worst as they constantly shit out xenoestrogens, all plastic bottle release microplastics, glass was the least disruptive.
if you have a well on your property and store it in glass you should be fine, i dont know what longterm storage in a metal container would do

Between fluoridated tap water and bottled water from a spring, which is the lesser of two evils?
Also, if I were to collect water myself at a spring, what sort of container should I use?

Distill your water then, faggot. /thread

Are all of these xenoestrogens?

How about herbal anti-estrogens, like Tongkat Ali?

You are a Kike!

Bump because this is one of the more well written posts I've seen in a long time. Get ready for the kikes to slide this!

i mean it depends on your tap water
both of them will have microplastics, if your tap also has a bunch of calcium or something in it then buy arrowhead bottles.

put your free-range water in an aluminum barrel after researching it idk


if you are able to distill your water and grow all of your own food without outside interference, then all you have to deal with is microplastics carried by the wind. if you have non-contaminated food and water, you are a statistical outlier


i dont know, i'm not a doctor or a chinaman, but many medicines were derived from plants

Distillation?

not that potent, there are aromatic inhibitors in foods though, the DIM in broccoli being the most potent one.

But there is little research in this area in relation to effectiveness and dosages. The best thing would be something stronger and more targeted.

SARMS also have a branch of aromatic inhibitors.

Just wanted to say, thank you for posting this. When I found out about the state of the meat industry (this is assuming you've already rejected the meat of fast food restaurants), I thought a switch to fish would be best. Apparently, now I see that even fish has been corrupted. Truly, nothing that can be corrupted has been left untouched.

Environmental Protectionism is quintessentially White. Bump.

Man. I really like lentils. I can't believe lentils are bad for you. I'd eat it several times a week if I felt like it.

THANK YOU, you are like the first person in a sequence of 10 threads which didnt ask about potatoes, thank you man. Seriously. But I uploaded this pic because it had the aromatic inhibitor foods. Smaller image wouldnt upload for some reason.

But yea, Tomaxifen (nolvadex) exists, SARMS which block estrogen and cortisol also exist (but only can be used 2 months at a time). The aromatic inhibitor foods can be used as shown in the graph. Surprisingly, the most potent ones are typical, traditional european herbs and veggies. One can also buy DIM, which is found in broccoli, but for greater dosages. Still questionable effectivity though.

For smaller effect one can also use pic related. To increase test. Though obviously the environment, and the effect that it has upon you is the main focus. Which is very hard to battle. But for our mental performance I think one must search somewhere in a counter to the additional estrogens from it.

Very good thread, user. People must know. BPA is one of the most potent of those kinds. Big pharma makes face creams, showering gel, shampoo from the most disgusting stuff of oil refineries. And women put that on their skin.

Ever wondered why your drinking water has an expiration date? It is slightly acidic because of carbonation and it absolves the plastic in the water.
I have a question though: Is distilled water really that bad for you? All the minerals you "miss" is just a small percentage and you get it from foods anyway. It's way better than chlorinated water. (Thank god at least fluoridation is illegal in my country)
BPA is probably a mayor cause of teens with underdveloped secondary sexual features, like weak chins and girly faces. This world is fucked up with poison. Check the numbering on your plastic bottle and learn what they mean. Do not use plastic utensils. Use porcelain, glass/crystal or iron. Tin cans have a small layer of BPA spayed on the inside of them so it doesn't absolve aluminium. Kind of ironic because both are extremely harmful.

When you drink water, the first thing the body has to do is dump salts into it to balance the osmotic gradient so it doesn't cause havoc further down the digestion system. As you mentioned, there isn't that much in water as it is, and if someone has a deficiency then water isn't going to save them.

You can buy electrolyte powder, and just add a pinch to however you are storing the water. Might look into studies on the matter. Use Sci-hub to get past most paywalls.

Also, look at this and the related videos as far as jawlines and teeth go. I wish he would be a bit more terse thought.
youtube.com/watch?v=NvoX_wEtwDk ("file already exists", and don't have time to webm)

I have a question regarding the 16 hour fast. Is that 16 hours with no food or no food and no drink? I've been practising IF already for weight loss but to be fair, with a sub-2000 calorie-restricted diet, having all of my food for the day in one meal just makes more sense anyway.

Oh, I didn't mean to sage.

I suppose the only real solution is a population raised off planet using resources provided off world.
Raised in total isolation from their parents.

Then over time the total level of plastic contamination will decline to the point of irrelevance.

You can drink in the fast, water alone has no calories…

I know water has no calories. It's just that the whole purpose of fasting is that it puts the body in a particular mode of operation. My fear is that by drinking water, you put an end to that mode and restore it to normality so basically, all of the benefits of fasting get thrown out the window.

You're and idiot, not sure if this is a slide or /x/ teir, reguardless,
sage

Well I am pretty sure that for longer duration fasts, water is still used. And there is a description that I read from this book

sendspace.com/file/q0vop4

which allowed for it…I think…memory kinda blurry on this topic.

Well alright, thanks.

On the other hand, if you are dehydrated, many cellular processes cannot function optimally so you may not gain the full benefits of the fast.
Probably best to try both ways, with and without water, and record the difference in various factors, how you feel generally, energy levels, mood, strength, etc
Personally I have never gone without fluids for any length of time as I get headache at the slightest sign of dehydration.

For all of you who wonder how you should treat yourself for microplastics, read up on glycolic acid.

Kombucha! - Glycolic acid!
Not only is it very good as a probiotic boost and helps naturalize the gut flora, but it contains glycolic acid too.
Glycolic asid is supposed to be a kind of organic acid bubble in your bloodstream and intracellular passageways, that absorbs inorganic matter. Being a simple organic compound it's able to be filtered out by the kidneys, and thus avoids the liver, which normally takes on the heavy filtering.

Kombucha, a fermented tea of sorts. I brew it myself, and it's rather simple to do when you first get the rutine.

So, theoretically you're able to detox yourself from anything from heavy metals to microplastics through the consumption of a fermented tea. Rather odd, but the intention of healing/detoxification is the most important thing. Then comes the support. kombucha, or glycolic acid is supposed to be rather effective, too. Kombucha got all sorts of acids in it, and I'd rather drink something fermented than something the big pharm tries to market, as in the case of the glycolic acid. Though it never takes any serious focus from the media.

Got a story about it, too. It was a case of prolonged poisoning of the liver through aspartam in diet coke. The one lady could smell the fumes from her pores as she cleansed herself, and there's a lot of written testimonials on how they beat cancer or some other sort of autoimmune disease thanks to kombucha.

Some stuff works wonders on certain things. Your intention comes first, anytime, though.

Gut things are indeed spooky, I tried to go on this route for quite some time, but for my ailments, to that of candida it had no effect.

pastebin.com/LQ0SK53d

I also bought some commercial stuff that you mentioned, but any proofs of this glycolic acid helping with the plastics?

ANONS RECIPE FOR CLOSET HOOCH

Ingredients:
Half Gallon all natural fruit juice
1.5 tablespoons of yeast
2 cups of white sugar

Pour put about 1/8th of your juice, add sugar, screw on lid, mix until sugar is dissolved.

After this, unscrew the lid and add the yeast, screw on the lid and mix.

After this, slightly unscrew the lid until air can escape (test it by squeezing the bottle, if it deflates your good)

Leave to ferment in your closet for 5 to 7 days, after this stick it in your fridge or drink up.

Make a few gallons and you can get hammered for a weekend, invite a grill over and get her hammered, or just have a few buddies over to discuss the threat of international jewry.

I tried a 3 day dry fast. I slept on my arm funny during the fast so in the middle of the night, I let my arm hang vertically over the bed such that my fingertips were almost touching the floor. I could feel my blood, like a kind of sludge, force its way through my hand and back upwards, up my arm and into the rest of my body. It was a very unique sensation but yeah, ever since that incident, I've always had a mild pins and needles-type feeling in my right forearm (which would suggest nerve damage). Otherwise, I didn't have any issue with the dry fast. Hell, just like I was told by those youtube gurus, I really did feel a stronger draw towards fruit. For the first time in almost a decade, I ate pineapple again. Drank the juice too. Good stuff.

I guess I'll give water-fasting a go.

I thought the fast's full benefits is that the body, due to its need for optimisation under such extreme conditions, goes into extreme autophagy. Water fasting cleans the body in the same way a hose can clean grime off a wall. Raising the amount of water in the body means gunk lying around can get swept away however it can't clean everything. Dry fasting, by comparison, "drains the swamp". Anything bad that was able to survive in the harder-to-reach areas of your body, in the more stagnant waters, will be forcibly dehydrated and forced to perish. Dry fasting applies a kind of "survival of the fittest" competition onto your cells so it's like a hard reset for the body.
In a nutshell, while it'd be true that you wouldn't operate optimally during a dry fast, you're not supposed to either. The fast is meant to be a kind of "spring cleaning" for the body rather than a new mode of living. I think it's recommended to do so a few times a year? Don't quote me on that.

During a dry fast, as the undesirable cells start to dehydrate, they begin to release their toxins in the process. This means headaches. Personally though, I notice I've always gotten headaches from bread and potato (as in, simultaneously. Bread and potato) so maybe it's just your body? Unless there's something inherently wrong with bread and potato at once.

Your gut doesn't detect any food, or substantial things to push downward, so the gut movements you feel when you fast is kind of a reset, as the gut always has to repair itself when it's working. Consider it a warm-down. It can be pretty intense, but as long you're not reacting to it as something dangerous or something like that, you'll quickly get into keitosis, your second metabolism.
Imagine when the cave-man didn't have jack to eat through a month or so in the winter. Did he simply perish? I guess not.

I fasted once and farted for atleast 24 hours afterwards. Drank lots of water. Whenever it wanted to. There's a lot of gut microbes that probably wanna eat, so it's a happening of sorts.

The strongest survive, too. It's really healthy activating your keitosis, too, as you reset your insulin receptivity, and begin sustaining your muscles and sugar levels from fat instead of the easier avaliable energy from muscle tissue when you're in the primary metabolism.

As long you only drink water and doesn't activate a big deal of 'gut work', your sugar levels wont explode and put out the keitosis fire. A fire that fells surprisingly well, as it's, probably the most stable level of blood sugar you'll experience. Don't do exhausting levels of exercises or physical activity, though. I tried that and felt like I had to eat immediately after taking a 40 kilometer speedrun on my bike.

Having a good focus on your gut and well-being along with some light exercise as a stroll or light household chores makes you get into keitosis faster, too. Drink some water and take it easy. Some report a lot of stomach pain. I didn't experience any. But it sure did churn, but I resisted the natural response to having any gut work piled up.. I guess It's something some people never even tries once, because of fear of the unknown, sloth or ignorance to your own nature. I guess it's so healthy simply because the primordial guy in periods didn't have anything to eat, and had to walk long distances before hitting jackpot, or he had to wait for spring to come.

I really wanna fast soon again. The experience of sustaining and building up your own muscle tissue from scratch was something very special, along with the general well-being you feel from living off the savings. Also, the food when you begin to eat again tastes fantastic.

my problem with this is that you will lose some muscle mass when doing this, no two ways about it.

No proof as of yet. But in theory it should.

The commercial stuff is pasteurized, so no feel-good tummy from those.
If I was fasting I wouldn't bomb my gut flora with sugar, as kombucha contains various amounts of sugar and fructose, depending on how sour it gets and how long it ferments. Also, sugar can blow out your keitosis fire.


Thanks, I'll pass. The discussion of international Jewry would for me be adequately addressed over a cup of tea and home-made cookies.


But a 3 days fast is still worth it I guess. I know how people who train hard never want to plan a fuck up in the schedule, but the experience of living comfortably well with stabilized blood-sugar levels is definitely worth it. I also strongly suggest you do it out of pure curiosity for how your body works. Some /fit/ guy on jewtube explained how he lost muscleweight from a 9-day standardized fasting experiment, where he lost a lot of kilograms. The first time he wasn't allowed to do mild exercise, as in walking. He explained how he felt like shit until he finally hit keitosis, which was a whole day later than the next time he then did it on his own, where he kept himself in motion instead of lying down the whole time. The second time he did it, it he only lost fat, because he kept on running the guns, and they supported themselves perfectly fine on their own, even in keitosis. Just do some mild exercises, and they'll keep on sitting where they are.

If not stronger, then your body will become wiser. The ability to sustain your strength through the pure combustion of fat is remarkably nice to experience.

Nolvadex is nasty shit, it's cleaner & safer to just boost your test - only use nolvadex sparingly. If you start getting the crazy side effects (itchy nips etc.) you're overdoing the test. If you find your sweet spot & have decent gear you should never need shit like nolva - assuming you're like me & just want decent mental/physical/sexual health without going full Arnold.

No, not at all. Rainwater scrapes all the shit in the air and is actually pretty filthy unless you live somewhere remote.


OP what about reverse-osmosis? What about distillation? Surely plastic cannot survive evaporation of the water containing it?

What's wrong with juice?

disconnected from fiber? Easier digestible sugar. Very high on the glycemic index. Complex carbs, with fiber are the best option.

How to remove it, since it's so small? How about distillation?