Christianity is Communism

Isn't it other way around?
Isn't Communism just knock off version of Christianity?

Correct.

Yes

The idea of a pacifist society that doesn't recognize property rights as justifying violence fits well with christianity.

not sure if sarcastic….

a stateless, property-less, society fits completely with Christianity.
Liberation theology is a whole movement

The New Testament has several examples of property ownership and how it is a virtue to serve one's master (the owner of said property) dutifully without complaint. Here is a very clear example, antithetical to anything calling itself communism that states that workers demanding MORE money for the amount of labor produced is disgraceful because they were already contracted at a certain rate by a "good" owner, from Matthew 20:

1.For the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which went out early in the morning to hire labourers into his vineyard.
2 And when he had agreed with the labourers for a penny a day, he sent them into his vineyard.
3 And he went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace,
4 And said unto them; Go ye also into the vineyard, and whatsoever is right I will give you. And they went their way.
5 Again he went out about the sixth and ninth hour, and did likewise.
6 And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle, and saith unto them, Why stand ye here all the day idle?
7 They say unto him, Because no man hath hired us. He saith unto them, Go ye also into the vineyard; and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive.
8 So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, Call the labourers, and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the first.
9 And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny.
10 But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny.
11 And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house,
12 Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.
13 But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny?
14 Take that thine is, and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee.
15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?
16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.

Some of you just don't want to let your religion go, so you're happier drawing cheap and shoddy parallels, often out of context, between communism and a feudalistic religion with extremely conservative social rules.

I wish religion would just die.

yeah but how much of that can be easily disregarded as the old testament or open to interpretation. At least when you consider that jesus and his disciples essentially lived communally.

Nope. Priests have been trying to capitalize on success of Communism for ages, but the truth is the opposite.

Christianity is a failed Communism.

Communism is older than Christianity though, and lies much closer to Heathen ethics than it does to Christian morality.

Communism is all the good parts of Christianity and Islam without all the goofy supernatural crap and racism.

and all spooks with it as well. Nationalism is pretty much a religion.

No, outside perhaps of tangently similar aspirations.

there have been Christian Socialists for centuries

e.g. the Diggers

Franciscan order was radically communist, for them there was no property, private or otherwise, instead there was common use. The Church didn't like it of course.

I and my own want religion for me and my own. I want it egoistically. Is there anything wrong with that from Stirner's perspective? Is Stirner a moral fag as well, telling us what is right and wrong?

Matthew is New Testament, that parable is Jesus giving a sermon to his followers.

You clearly have comprehension problems:
- this is a parable: the goal is to help people understand the kingdom of heaven with a familiar example, not to debate said example;
- on a side note: this sounds a bit like "from each according to his ability, to each according his need" to me.

Communism is not about taking away your toothbrush.

Anyways I would recommend you read Bernard Brandon Scott's The Real Paul. Early Christianity was a lot like an early lefty movement.

Paul also says slaves should be honorable to their masters, and people should obey the state. More than likely he doesn't mean this in the sense that you're referring to. Given the early Jesus movement's egalitarianism and anti-Roman focus, another interpretation is needed.

Essentially I think it springs from how Jesus died to the Roman Empire. The gospel that Paul was preaching was that in a contradictory way, Jesus triumphed by losing to the Roman Empire. Jewish law says cursed is anyone who hangs from the tree. Jesus overcame this law and brought the covenant with the Jewish God to the nations.

Paul had still been locked up in prison and had likely broken the law a couple times, he was simply fascinated by this sort of passive resistance that Jesus exhibited. Christianity was a religion of the marginalized and the poor. It believed the Roman Empire would collapse in much the same way that many Marxists believe capitalism will one day collapse and they believed this collapse would usher in an era of equality (there is no Jew or Greek, no male or female or whatever).


What's interesting about that example, since you took it out of context is that, if I'm remembering it correctly, the point of the parable was that each of the workers was paid equally by this God-like figure. A very communist-friendly message.

Anyways not sure if you're a lolbert or some atheist commie, but these examples seem to be pretty tenuous at best for Jesus supporting capitalism. Oscar Wilde's the Soul of Man Under Socialism also has some good lefty views on the Bible.

The idea of communism is older than Marx and Christianity likely played an important role in its development.


If you're referring to your failed ML states, not even commies want those. Priests who don't recognize christianity's inherently anti-capitalist message are not being honest. It's the largest religion in the world and it has revolutionary potential. That's what's especially important here.

Christianity is not communism, but it lends itself to anti-capitalism at least. The most important texts to remember here are when Jesus notes that you cannot serve two Gods: God and money. The capitalist system revolves around money. It's unavoidable that Jesus calls us to dismantle such a system.

But a man named Ananias, with his wife Sapphira, sold a piece of property. 2 However, he kept back part of the proceeds with his wife’s knowledge, and brought a portion of it and laid it at the apostles’ feet.

3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the proceeds from the field? 4 Wasn’t it yours while you possessed it? And after it was sold, wasn’t it at your disposal? Why is it that you planned this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God!” 5 When he heard these words, Ananias dropped dead, and a great fear came on all who heard. 6 The young men got up, wrapped his body, carried him out, and buried him.

7 There was an interval of about three hours; then his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. 8 “Tell me,” Peter asked her, “did you sell the field for this price?”

“Yes,” she said, “for that price.”

9 Then Peter said to her, “Why did you agree to test the Spirit of the Lord? Look! The feet of those who have buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out!”

10 Instantly she dropped dead at his feet. When the young men came in, they found her dead, carried her out, and buried her beside her husband. 11 Then great fear came on the whole church and on all who heard these things.

Is Holy Spirit /our guy/?

Neither is common use, you retard.

Christianity being even remotely leftist is purely a meme from Western nations where religion is purely pop culture symbolism.

God is a Marxist.

Prove me wrong.

Marx didn't believe in God. You can be a marxist communist or a christian communist, but I have yet to see a convincing argument for how you can combine diamat with christianity.

The Holye "bourgies fear it" Spirit?

Is christian communism compatible with marxian economics?

christianity hasn't got much to do with communism and vice versa unless you define communism as "muh sharing stuff" which makes you a petty liberal.

But God believes in Marx.


What better way to "love thy neighbour" than to bring him to communism?

it's anticapitalist at the least. Also doesn't scare people like Marx does. Didn't Engels write something on early christian communes?

CHRISTIANITY WAS NEVER TRIED

No, seriously.

Christianity, like all religions can be pretty anything you want it to be. Hell i bet you could find an Ancap interpreTation of the Bible;

Wow, was not kidding. "This Bible story sounds like this one vague platitude of a quote so I think it's compatible with Marx." Nigger, go read literally anything on Marx. Giving a single penny to every worker regardless of hours worked is the most obvious example of exploitation ever. I mean holy shit let me restate:
Not to mention that the whole concept of heaven is reactionary as fuck. A genuinely leftist religion (if that weren't contradictory) would paint salvation/paradise/whatever as something that people build for themselves, together instead of something they're given by a benevolent feudal lord.

New testament, sure, but lots of christian religion is a weird form of classcuckery.


I really can't tell if its a smart way to con servile people into being communally anti-hierarchy or if its classcuckery to the max.

What don't you understand in this?
I mean holy shit let me restate:
Jesus is not endorsing this behaviour; he is merely using it as an example.

The two aren't mutually exclusive.

By the way, the meaning of this particular parable is not vague at all; it's actually crystal clear: it's never too late to repent for your sins.

Why does every liberal become an expert on the crusades whenever Muslim shoots or blows someone up? Even so called radical leftists

They seem to have a mental block that prevents them from admitting that Islam is absolute trash and Muslims should be banned and that Christianity is uniquely a radical and socialist religion.