Kojima claims he has no connection to Metal Gear Survive and Zombies have no place in his games

Kojima claims he has no connection to Metal Gear Survive and Zombies have no place in his games

So is this the first concrete proof he's actually butthurt about the Konami blow up?

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Not what the picture says at all…

Just because the twitter image says he wants to make a genuine zombie game doesn't mean he wanted to force it into Metal gear.

The picture is from 3 years ago when making MGSV, the rumour mill currently says MGSurvive is a cut game mode he was working on for MGO before the blow up over his insane budgetary wasting conflicting with the Konami 'fuck games we da pachishit company now huehuehue' strategy.
He gets shit canned, Konami uses the cut mode to make a budget release and now hes saying "z-zombies were never a thing in metal gear!" which is technically horseshit.

Naturally fanboys will be in his corner for anything but in this regard i think its genuine butthurt that Konami is taking one of his ideas and selling it as a new metal gear and he gets no money out of it.

Where did he say that?

Today at TGS during his Death Stranding interviews.

this.

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He doesn't want to do zombies anymore because he has newer shit trends to be a slave to ;^)

The skulls were well aware of what they were doing though, as was Quiet who too had magical powers granted by parasites. Zombies on the other hand lack any ability to think or communicate and only act on instinct.

Did you not play MGSV? there are missions where normal people get infected and turn into zombies instead of skulls.

No you faggot, the skulls themselves were just bodies. The parasites were doing everything. Check the wiki page.

that's not the point.

genuine zombie game doesn't mean a Metal Gear title with zombies stapled on the cover; it means a new separate game with zombies.

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Which we both know Konami would never have let im do.

He specifically said he wants to make a GENUINE zombie game, not that he wants to put zombies into Metal Gear. You know he's worked on games other than Metal Gear right? That not every game he makes had to be Metal Gear?

Completely regardless of zombies and Metal Gear Survive, it's very, very unlikely he's NOT butthurt about Konami taking Metal Gear.

Rumors are rumors, if you can't back them up you really should look at what you are saying.

Also we already have a fucking Kojima thread

shameful.

Why didn't you post the actual evidence in the OP instead of that unrelated tweet? Jesus

How embarassing

Yes exactly. That's why the tweet said want and not can or will.

If you can't be honest with yourself how can you be honest with others user?

I am being honest.
Thanks for making me think of that old shitty song.

could it also refer to the canned silent hills?
as in, he wants to make a proper (horror) game

your opinions could only be shit

You anus is shitty.

How rude!

wouldnt the implications make you the faggot here?

Heh?

No but it would make you the faggot since your mind went to steps ahead to poofterville

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Why cant all anime girls be as hot as her?

but that doesnt even make any sense

I talk about poop and your mind goes to anal sex. Tell me how that makes sense if you don't have ass sex on the mind? Checkmate, Ru Paul.

chipmunk fag pls

youre the only one talking about anal sex, dude

You have a 3 second memory?
Here's your post that started it, AIDS King.

Will we reach a point in which we all will agree that there are ENOUGH zombie games already?

yes?
please explain to me the connection you see there

Who is this semen demon?

rin from fate/gay

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But during MGRs development he wanted zombies in it.

Source?

MGR wasn't his game fucking retarded anime poster.

Has anyone else noticed an increasing number of shitters who're always trying to spread bad rumors or smear certain people that most anons commonly like?

Holla Forums is made up of literal kids who still talk like they know everything, trying to impress others.

It's actually made up of people who are purely ironic and are subtly making fun of you.

Go back to Reddit.

No wonder why kojima is such a reedus faggot. He binge watched walking dead and somehow got a hard on for it.

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One hundred hours in MS Paint

Then why did the put zombies into 4 and 5?

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newfag?

When is death stranding going to be released, or at least show gameplay?

I literally do not care about the story, or who the actors in it are or what "deep" meaning the trailers are supposed to convey. All I care about it how it plays. What genre? Is it co-op? Is it open world? What makes it stand out from other games in terms of actually playing it? etc.

Kojimbo makes cinematic experiences now.

Yes, and that's all we know so far.

they remind me of overgrown hartley hooligans

Why have those children not been euthanized?

hey fuck you too bunny

It's amazing. People keep saying hes butthurt and angry about it, but all i've seen is him asked one question at tsg and he giggled and said "zombies in a metal gear solid game?".


Think if you let one of those things alone with your cat over the weekend it'd eat it while you were gone? Cant imagine the little potato is all that healthy.

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Came into the thread to post this pretty much. OP needs to work on his reading comprehension skills.

The mom is kind of mentally ill and loves parading around her deformed offspring. It gives her reasons to shout people down, feel victimized, and also vindicated when people tell her how "inspirational" the brain dead mutant freaks are.

I know for a fact my cat would start scratching and clawing them to death. My cat hates babies and probably hates retard "babies"(these things are like 14 years old) even more.

That'd be his first.

Makes sense. Cant imagine the little spuds can fight back all that much or even react. Boggles the mind why theyd keep them.

I'm your prom date you ugly sack of shit

dude worked 30+ years at Konami only to get fired because the president wants to go full kike.

Of course he's butthurt.

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And how many years he's been a pain in the ass to manage?

They are pretty much totally blind aswell so it's not like they could fight back even if they had mobility. They would just lie there getting clawed to death whilst bawling their eyes out. Pic related proof that they can feel pain.
So essentially their entire lives are just darkness, pain, doctors visits, and boredom, also shit lots and lots of shitting. The mom actually can't stop talking about their gross shitting habits.

I don't get the point of comparing Quiet to Serah. They're pretty different.
Serah has:

The only problem Quiet has is wide jowels.

I dunno. But considering that he is a consistent money maker and has been at the top of the corporate ladder, I don't think there was much need to manage him

but they both look like hartley hooligans

I can imagine that kojima is difficult to work with due to his tism, but he was the best thing the company had going for it.
It's really just a case of konami going full shekels.

Pro life is such wonderful ideology.

God damn it.

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Fuck theres something inherently wrong with the pride and happiness of having a deformed baby that you make suffer thats just so much worse. Like the fucking big headed fuckers from bloodborne.

Who are you quoting?

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Reported.

Deported.

What?

Said the beaner

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yea same here. The only thing that really disgusts me is cuck porno, the psyche of my enemies, and hartley hooligans(though I do find the phenomena fascinating)

Pic related is a hartley hooligan

Oh, I can only see that in serah. Quiet's eyes don't bulge out enough.

this pic reminds me of quiet

Why is this cursed creature used like a meme?

For fuck's sake. I know where I am, but still. Can't we have some pitty for the crippled at least?

For fuck's sake. God, if you exist do something for her and at least make her able to survive on her own even as a wild animal.

because it's funny

You do know God made her that way, right?

And that's why I'm a fucking fedora tipper without the fedora.

I tip my fedora/stahlhelm pretty hard as well my friend

Creatures like these make me believe that we need eugenics

Because people on the internet are losing connection with the rest of humanity more and more every year. The upside is that they have less and less influence over society as this trend continues.

CRISPR soon.

Wait! two kids!?

For fuck's sake! after the first one they should have started to wear a condom!

I can only feel pity and sadness towards those poor little creatures. guess there are no genetic or magical treatment to help them.

God isn't your bitch, he won't wipe your asshole for you. He's also not to blame for 99% of all retardtheists being neckbearded super-virgin losers.

They have 3 kids. They have a normal son, but I don't know when they had him(before or after the first retard was born)

I don't care about myself, but I'm sure those parents were christians or they would aborted them before they started to develop eyes or a brain.


I guess that is the true nature of the internet, but still this is so horrible I would prefer to discuss NTR.

Shit, I think I'm an oversensitive faggot, because everytime I see stuff like this I feel like crying for the disgraced.

I feel nothing but anger at the parents for allowing this to not only exist, but to parade it around on the internet and use their existence for virtue signalling. There is nothing virtuous or inspiring about a brain dead suffering retard.

Pro-life and pro-choice are useless labels, because all people are for choice and life both.

The actual debate is about abortion. Killing children in the womb: one of the most despicable and violent acts imaginable.

As soon as women got the right to vote, they demanded it because children are the only humans they can overpower. (That's why men's favorite insults are about intelligence and sex, and women's are about infantilization.)

DING DING DING
we got a winner

I don't feel bad for them. If their brain is as messed up as their body they probably don't even understand that something is wrong with them. Feeling sad for them is like feeling sad that a dog will never understand music. The dog can not understand music and has no desire to understand music, same with these, um, girls I suppose. They're probably happy as they can be.
If you asked them if they wanted to die, they wouldn't be able to comprehend the question and simply wouldn't care to try.

They probably just tried again in the hopes they would get a normal child instead of a second broken one.

Living argument for abortion and eugenics.

Funny though how the pro-abortion and the pro-eugenics camps are usually separate.

They remind me of the baby from Eraserhead

Ya know he's wanted to make something other than metal gear since MGS2?

He said metal gear isn't a zombie game, not that he wouldn't make a zombie game.

Skulls and shit are really stupid but don't make mgs5 a zombie game you retard

What is Zone of the Enders for 500

You're right, women should be forced to keep those abominations. They should also keep all those useless niglets they can't raise who will end up being another nigger chimping out and stealing.

Considering most people on this site call for "day of the rope" for every little thing they don't like you'd think that aborting these useless people before they get a chance to damage society would be preferable

I think he also made the bokatai series after MGS2

He didn't actually make ZOE he just produced it

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Cry more fanbois, your precious idol is a hypocrite.

MGR isn't a metal gear game.

Okay, you're a clickbaiter, probably a Konami fanboy, but are you also a bold faced liar? How come you haven't produced this supposed moment where Kojima talks about zombies? Figured you'd have lead with that if it existed.

Shit, this is pathetic. I get it, you want a subpar zombie game that plays like MGSV, that's fine. Don't get angry because others don't.

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So now that Konami isn't going to let Metal Gear die, what should they do with the IP? I was thinking a game where you play as The Boss. The game would take place mostly in WWII following Cobra Unit, but it would end with you fighting Snake in the field of flowers.

Those babies have short lifespans anyway.

Holla Forums is pro-eugenics and pro-abortion.

The ironic thing is that those defective people are easier to raise than normal people. Disabled people are always content with what you give them. You don't need to give them extra toys or brainwash them with propaganda since they are always satisfied with the bare minimum. They take less emotional strain than a person like you.

I've been flipping off everything lately. Including my pets, parents, non-existent friends and my mailbox. It's getting out of hand.

Do we seriously not know how the fuck they made that thing? People say it's a retarded baby bovine but I dunno.

kojimacucks btfo

MgS: Metal Gear Solid.

I actually really want them to do this to see how badly they'd fuck it up.

it would probably be a great game, an actual VIDEO GAME, since there wouldn't be a wannabe movie director with an overblown ego in the way

You're making some serious implications there.

That's because the pro-abortion camp consists of cucks and whores with perfectly healthy babies that don't feel like going through pregnancy and giving birth

The best thing about Metal Gear Survive being a thing is that it shines a light and vindicates the shit i've been saying for a long time now.

MGS5 looks, feels, and plays like a game that started its life as one completely different game and then at some point got its complete direction changed to be another and the final game is the end result at an attempt to quickly zip up both games together and trying to save as many assets as possible.

The evidence was there from the start, especially with the talk that 50% or more of the dialogue involving Venom Snake was just completely cut out and left to rot.
You faggots kept trying to say it was because Konami pulled the plug early and there was no way to make the third chapter.
You faggots kept trying to point the finger at Konami when all the fucking evidence of the GAME ITSELF as ITS OWN PRODUCT told a different tale.
The tale of a creator that kept changing his fucking mind about shit and a studio in an attempt to protect their investment decided to stick to the hard deadline and tell Kojima to fuck off because he was throwing money down the drain.
The previous evidence of not being able to finish a game and what was done with it was in MGS2 and MGS3. Where storyline elements that couldn't be put into cutscenes were shunted into codec calls.

You faggots all thought this tweet was talking about Silent Hills.
Kojima himself had stated in early interviews that he often wanted to make different games but the studio always wanted him to make MGS games and so he would have to find ways to make his game idea into a MGS game.

And now MG:Survive is on the horizon and it looks like the dusted off remnants of something that had already been in development.


Look, I love the MGS series but I don't give Kojima the benefit of the doubt when all this evidence is there.
Its clear.
The man fucked it up.

And considering how lazy developers tend to be, I wouldn't be surprised if all the missing Venom Snake conversation content isn't hidden somewhere in the files MG:Surive, just not being used.

And then you'll complain about crime.

I've given several treatments on what a MGS reboot, if done right, could look like.

Getting rid of Solidus.
Keeping Liquid alive until the end of the series.
getting rid of the NANOMACHINES explanation for everything.
making skullface a better villain. Get rid of his LANGUAGE PARASITES plan (fucking retarded compared to the nuke one).
There is also a question that has to be answered, do you keep Venom Snake's concept (BB phantom) or do you get rid of him?

So you're saying it was Konami's fault?

whoops, forgot to turn off that flag

Whelp, let me try to give you an analogy.
You're hired to be a plumber but what you REALLY want to do lately is do electrician work.
Instead of leaving that employer and being an electrician, you instead stay with your plumbing company and try to figure out how to incorporate your new electrician passion into your plumbing work.

my whole life is a lie

Are you retarded, Solidus is the best character in the franchise, the only character who actually fights for himself and his own ideals rather than relying on the system to tell him what to do or parasitically relying on the ideals of others to guide him. His rebellion and failure are the perfect symbol for the birth and rise of the Patriots. Liquid can't help but be all of the worst parts of Big Boss, violent, angry, commanding, Solid can't help but be all of the best, the perfect soldier, disciplined, loyal and efficient, Solidus however unlike his brothers is a perfect clone, neither the best nor the worst but equal to his father, complex and nuanced, a real human being capable of not being defined by his father or his legacy and in fact actively stands up against it to the bitter end.


Yes, the Liquid ocelot stuff was retarded.


agreed


Your stupid is showing again. Language parasites is brilliant. We think how we speak, if you control a persons language you control the way they are able to understand the world and themselves because they can only do so in the terms you define for them, it's MGS2, memetic warfare, you define the context in which symbols and words exist and thus define the symbols and words. By attacking a language you attack a culture, a mindset, a worldview and paradigm of thought, and in killing off the entire population of people speaking a language you remove from the earth any way for that culture to propagate itself, the quote at the beginning of the game is very pertinent to this idea.

""It is no nation we inhabit, but a language. Make no mistake; our native tongue is our true fatherland."

Yeah, Kojima said that he was a fan of Red Dead Redemption and Left 4 Dead. I wouldn't be surprised if the empty open world in MGSV was inspired by RDR and the 4 player co-op in MG: Survive was inspired by L4D.

Kojima fanboys are such sad little children, they desperately want to believe that they "get it", that MGS is deeply insane thing with lore a canyon wide and they alone, these chosen few get all of it.

When in reality MGS has just been a hot mess of garbage since 2 and not even Kojima itself knew what the fuck he was doing.

Nix it, make Venom to Big Boss what Jack was to the Boss, give them a paralleled relationship, hell you can even have BB faking his death at the end of the game, which combined with Quiet leaving him ends with him going through with the reconstructive surgery to not only replace BB but also to forget his own identity to cope with both losses.

They have the minds of 8 month olds. Those kids are beyond fucked.

The parents need to be sterilized as each child they produce has a 25% chance of being a goblin.

Of course he is butthurt, but would you blame him? I'm not a fan of Kojiman and only played a few metal gear games, but including zombies on them is plain retarded. I'm guessing he is just washing his hands entirely.

heh

I've no idea what this means.


Those aren't creative jobs and are completely different from one another, though. It simply doesn't compare to wanting to direct different projects.

What's not to get? He's saying it feels like a game that started off as something before he was forced to make it a Metal Gear Solid game

Solidus was a one-off villain who served really no purpose other than to have a villain that wanted to follow in the footsteps of Big Boss. Remember, MGS2 is a re-make of MGS1 on every superficial detail and plot point. That's the whole point.
Even Raiden's connection to Solidus is sort of just thrown in there to make sure that point still sticks (SS's connection to Liquid and Big Boss).
Fight for his own ideals? The nigger wanted to be the Bigger Boss. Trying to basically continue the work that he believed Big Boss had been doing and he was going to surpass Big Boss by being the one to complete it (as some knock-off doctor octopus).
Solidus, as a concept, only really existed because Kojima killed off Liquid and he made mention of some spooky "Third" in the end of MGS1 because OMG SO MUCH CONSPIRACY. There was no fucking plan there. Its Back to The Future type of shit. He ended MGS1 with some bullshit and found himself having to make a MGS2 so fuck it now you got to do something with this shit from the first one.
On top of all of that, removing Solidus breaks the stupid shitty tie with Raiden. Yes, Raiden should still exist but as an absolute outsider to the madness.
You remove Solidus and you make Liquid the Big Bad Boss at the end of the game. This makes Solid Snake's reason for being there at the same to even MORE of a solid (no pun intended) reasoning.
Solid Snake's motivation goes from HURR DURR HUNTIN DOWN METAL GEARS to a much more sensible hunting of Liquid Snake and Ocelot. Two men who are extremely dangerous for what they know and what they will try to do to accomplish their goals.

And honestly, you fell for the bullshit. No, the language parasites is just the new nanomachines. If you needed them to exist then they could have existed as purely a function for creating the super soldiers.
Removing the language parasites gives a stronger reasoning for the villain. Skullface goes from HURR I WANNA KILL ENGLISH CUZ MUH FEEFEES to someone who is actually trying to usurp control of the world from Cipher/Zero.
It also plugs back into the themes of "going nuclear" that are there in the game.

ALso, as an aside, the language parasite plot along with the nuclear proliferation plot really does show the biggest crack in this game being two different games.

Well, you could go that way. I was thinking more like in the chronology. Venom Snake exists really only to answer the question as to why you have a MG2. How Solid Snake could fight Big Boss and kill him twice.
If you keep Venom, you can refine the plotline to be a matter of Solid Snake being sent in by BB in MG1 to kill Venom Snake. The reason being that Venom Snake and Miller (who would have went with Venom) pose a threat to BB's real plans. Bonus is that upon succeeding, BB can effectively disappear because now his death is perfectly faked in this regard.
You can then now have MG2 go pretty much as planned and Miller joining up on the team and explaining what happened, who Venom Snake really was, etc etc.

If you get rid of Venom then you need to make a few changes.
Firstly, you don't need a MG1 and MG2, you can combine them. You only need Solid Snake to kill Big Boss once.
DD is replaced by Outer Heaven outright and its not just a cute pet name between Miller and BB for their group.
Skullface as a villain is a high ranking Cipher operative who goes rogue and tries to usurp the power that Zero built.
Zero/Cipher should LIE to BB and Miller and say that Skullface destroyed Mother Base on his own accord.
As a condition of defeating Skullface, Big Boss is no longer seen as a traitor or an enemy and is allowed to come back to the states.
BB pretends all is forgiven about the whole cloning thing and whatever.
This is a rough outline but it sets the stage for a reason as to why Big Boss would be allowed to come back and train Solid Snake.
Miller, of course, is long fucking gone after the events of (Lets call it the skullface incident) realizing that BB has been driven over the edge and his quest for revenge has lead him down a dark path that even Miller can't follow any longer.

Get tested for autism, please. You seem to have trouble with analogies.
I've noticed this is a telltale sign of autism and/or aspergers.


Sort of correct. I think it started off as a MGS game but just a different MGS game. Under the same engine, sure. But its just so disjointed and messy it reminds me of these old bullshit kung-fu movies i've seen.
These movies were made by filming half a movie and then just splicing that into half of another already existing movie. Barely able to tie the two together and then just releasing it to overseas audiences.
Because that's just how China rolls.

How is any of that evidence for your conclusion?

Neither you nor I are qualified to comment on what constitutes "throwing money down the drain" when it comes to video game development. But what you do know is that what you have in Kojima is Konami's best director, one who has consistently made money and has saved projects that were going to be money sinks fired over one project, there is so clearly more than
involved here.

All games, fucking all of them, have compromises like this, and MGSV's cassette tape recordings are evidence that such a thing happened in MGSV too. There is no point in bringing this up.

Because he didn't elaborate on any of those points. He didn't go into detail on what he means with "looks, feels, and plays" or what it was supposedly meant to be.

All he pointed out was stuff being cut (storyline bits and dialogue at most) from the final product and not evidence they went in a completely different direction than what was originally intended, then linked that flimsy evidence with Kojima's claim that he desired to make a different game as a means to prove MGSV was meant to be something completely different.


Don't blame me because your analogy was completely nonsensical, user.

kojimadrones are always entertaining

The Skulls are completely different from zombies as well.

They're zombies in the loosest sense of the term. And even then, they're placed within the game in such a way that they don't feel out of place.

What Konami shills need to understand is that people aren't upset that they're doing a dumb spinoff with zombies, it's creatively bankrupt but it's whatever, what people are pissed about is that we have MGS:V, a great yet uncompleted game, that people are dying to get more of, and rather than add back some of the cut content or expand upon it in any meaningful way, we get this shit instead.

Of course there is more to "Muh Budget" here for exactly the reasons I stated and that you kind of backed up in your second statement.
When you talk about "cut content" when it comes to video games and other media forms that require hundreds of man-hours to create, you are rarely going to see any of it come in the form of fully realized content.
Most "cut content" in this regard never really makes it to the point of even being modeled.
That's because you can't afford, time or money, to just make shit.

Note how this is different from what you might be used to in seeing things cut from a movie. With cut stuff from a movie its usually a case of things that they already filmed and got cut once it went off for editing.
Game making is more akin to CG-animation. Your cut content doesn't really make it past the story-board and very rarely, if ever, do they bother to model it, render it, and record dialogue about it.

That is another red flag. You have over 50% of Venom Snake's dialogue cut. Not shunted into a cassette tape, but just outright cut. cut AFTER THE ENGLISH GUY ALREADY RECORDED HIS SHIT.
What the fuck does that really tell you?
And on top of all the shit we see with MG:Survive, what the fuck does that really tell you?


The dual plan of skullface where one does not feed into the other.
The plot line of codetalker's to keep "eyes on Kazuhuri Miller" that never goes anywhere.
The ideas of "REVENGE" that only show up in a hand full of scenes and that really go nowhere.
"Skullface being killed off in the middle and not as a climax and his dumb ass parasite plan still going. (I actually think the parasites may have originally been Code Talker's, like he was supposed to be a secondary villain at one point).
The nuclear proliferation, the idea of other PMCs wanting to "Go nuclear" that is only realized in the multiplayer (and half-way at that).
The morality system that is repressed but still shows its ugly face.
Some of the early mission dialogue that pits Miller and Ocelot as a sort of Devil and Angel on Venom Snake's shoulders (biggest telling of that is the honeybee mission) but then all other mission outcome decisions seemingly to fall off.
The incomplete and only aesthetically remnants of some sort of psych system (where you're supposed to take a shower to wash off and refresh).
Building the zoo (incomplete and so exists as an aesthetic choice mostly).
The early references to Ahab and Ishmael, and all of that shit which are quickly dropped (part of that revenge plot that is gone).

Metal Gear Survive IS that cut content, you dweebs.
Don't you understand it?
The problem is that the final product made in the rush to save what they could and stitch together an at least passable game is now incompatible with that remaining content.

I don't see why you don't fucking understand this.
There is nothing more to MGS5 in its current incarnation. Nothing. There never could be anything because it wasn't made and they didn't have the time to make the pieces that would have filled in those holes. Furthermore, they didn't have time to get rid of and replace those pieces that made those holes in the first place. Given another year maybe year and a half in development and the seams would have been hidden and the game wouldn't have been such a mess and this MG:Survive shit would have seemed like some cobbled together bullshit completely unrelated.
But its not. The sad fact is that MG:Survive IS your cut content.

I'm not sure how accurate this is, in the past there have been many instances of people digging up things in game files that have been modeled, some with animations, some with sound, some with both, some with neither, and probably more common then seeing unimplemented yet modeled and textured items is sound data and dialogue, though I don't know if voiced dialogue is as common as the other two.


What this tells me is that the dialogue isn't implemented. We are free to speculate why that is, but more than likely it's a combination of changed mechanics and being a terribly incomplete game.

What this tells me is that Konami wants to make a game for cheap.

I see a horribly incomplete game where things had to be cut in order to get it out because the plug was pulled on it.

Proof?

you'd be banned on most other boards

Proof?

Kojima's desire to make Zombie games.
Kojima's admission and regret at always having to make whatever game he's doing into Metal Gear games.
The fact that Konami is pulling this MG:Survive shit out not even a year after MGS5 was released. That tells me that the bulk of the assets and mechanics were already there and likely well known about. If it were meant as a mode for MG:Online then why not just add it there? They certainly took their sweet time to actually implement MGO in the first fucking place.
The fact that they're not even bothering to separate this from Metal Gear Solid 5. What that tells me is like in the above, you have likely a bunch of existing content (dialogue and what not) that are referring to people and/or events of GZ and MGS5 and it would be too much work (and money) for the purposes of re-packaging/salvaging this shit to do anything about it. There is likely a scant bit of new shit only to help tie together what they've already had in place.

On top of that, the biggest smoking gun is that cut dialogue portion when you couple that in with Kojima's track record.
Yes, he's had to deal with not being able to finish shit before and when that has happened we've seen what he does with it.
It generally doesn't just evaporate into nothingness.
But in MGS5's context we have shit that just evaporates and is gone.

But to be quite honest, none of this shit can be validated unless a developer comes out and says what the fuck actually happened.
We can't trust Kojima because just after MGS5 came out and people were complaining about it seeming unfinished he turned around with a "That's the phantom pain part of the game! ART!" and other nonsense to wash his hands of it.
We can't trust a Konami exec either.
We need the people who were on the ground, in a position of knowing what was happening, and has no ties to either two larger entities.

I WANT TO MARRY TEAGAN

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All that tells me is that stuff was cut/incomplete, not that the whole game was originally meant to be completely different like you said previously. Regardless, none of that would change the core structure of MGSV significantly (mostly it's just story related stuff), not to mention that some of those points are complete ass pulls that you have no evidence for.

There was never any hints there would be a psych system, and that mechanic probably wouldn't even fit in a game like this. MGS3 tried to implement survival elements which is why there was stamina. MGS4 tried to depict an old man, so spending too much time in the sun hinders him and his back aches from crouching, and so on and so forth. MGSV has no real reason that would require the implementation of such mechanic.
The nuclear proliferation bit is just your personal interpretation and there's zero evidence that points to a larger, overarching gameplay mechanic.
Capturing animals is all about decreasing demonic points/increasing heroism. The zoo simply acts as a museum showcasing all the animals you've captured. I don't see how there should be any more to it other than an aesthetic element. What else would you want to do with the animals? Fuck them?

This is, at it's absolute best, evidence, and flimsy evidence at that.

Not evidence for your conclusion

you have problems with your logic. One would assume that the fact that there are almost no original assets, and the reused assets actually contradict the story of the game, you SHOULD assume that Survive is a quick cash grab.

They haven't bothered to create very many original assets either, and I've already said that they're lazy as fuck for not making them, and that this is a quick cashgrab and nothing else.

as far as anyone knows neither BB nor VS are in this game, so I have no reason to assume that that 50% dialogue would be used here for any reason.

It does if your boss wants to cut out high risk games development.
Because Konami didn't want to see the project to the end.


I don't Have to trust Kojima on anything, all I know is that the game is horribly incomplete, to a point where they wouldn't even give it an actual ending with mission 51, it was cut so fast and so hard that Capcom must be blushing, because even they didn't pull the rug out from under DMC4 that fast.

Survive is a quick cash grab. Being built off the remnants of what was supposed to be, I suspect, a large part of MGS5's main line.

Why are you assuming i'm talking about MG:S when I talk about this? I"m not saying its in MG:S i'm saying that its evidence that MGS5 was largely a different game and that MG:S backs up this claim by being this production seemingly based on aborted content.


There are hints of some secondary system to be sure. Actually multiple ones, the system that would require to come back and take a fucking shower AND this apparent hero/demon system. I called the shower one a psych system because there are hints in some dialogue that would suggest such a thing.

See, that's the problem with this fucking MGS5 game. There is so much shit that is half finished and they didn't fucking even seem to bother to get rid of what would have been explanations for the FINISHED products.

I think there may have been, at one point, some sort of smell detection and other things that were meant to happen. There are dialogue bits complaining about how much Snake stinks and there can be seen and heard buzzing flies around him after you spend long enough doing missions without going to Mother Base and showering. But it was cut.
I think the hero and demon points were supposed to tie into more of the story (a sort of moral choice system in MGS games which hasn't ever really been done before) but that got shitcanned (likely due to time) and all that you end up with is HURR LOOKIT MAH HORN AND THIS BLOOD WONT WASH OFF!

I say these things in speculation because i've played MGS games for a long time now. You can point to these things as they are in the game to be simply little details, and Kojima is known for details, but rarely are these details so functional in nature and yet seem to go absolutely nowhere.
MGS3 is a perfect example of this. Imagine the survival system in MGS3 only half implemented. Where you NEED to eat but you have no reason to do so because there are no negative effects for being hungry.
Or where you need to heal yourself and yet nothing ever really seems to hurt you to the point where you need the healer.
That's what MGS5 feels like.

I hold that what you're going to see in MG:Survive are the sekeltal remains of whatever it was that was aborted in the middle of development of MGS5.

In fact, to add on to one of those last points.
You are introduced early on to a game mechanic that would require you to reset your dislocated arms and legs.
The ONLY time you re-encounter this is if you fall from a height that's just far enough to BARELY kill you.
It speaks to a system that was intended to be even further expanded upon.

I don't think you were supposed to really get a psych or survival system but perhaps something to deal with fatigue.
It would have also went along with "That thing in your brain causing hallucinations" which never seems to really ever happen.
You can point to the PAZ story line but that's more of a delusion than a hallucination.
When you couple this all together it seems like you were intended to hallucinate due to variables on the battlefield.
Not imaginary cassette tapes.

I'm pretty sure guards detect bad smell, though. The thing is, it's very situational, and I believe MGS4 works the same way too. Again, no indication of a broader mechanic being cut.

And sure, you could bring up the guard dogs, Battle Gear and whatnot. My main point is, MGSV was always meant to have this particular structure; a more silent protagonist, less cutscenes, open world elements, base building, weird gadgets, etc.. It never started out as an entirely different game, or at least, there's not sufficient evidence to believe so.

I thought Zombies and vampires were already in MGS.

Once again fanboys prove they are unable to simply view things objectively.

MGSurvive's premise is centered around surviving hordes of zombies. That's it. There's no other themes that we know of, not even original characters. It's essentially an MGO expansion, an utterly generic concept that reuses assets from the previous game. The differences between this and any of mainline titles are pretty obvious.

I guess when I say "an entirely different game" there is some confusion here.
Please understand I'm saying that it was always going to be a MGS game. But the structure of this game was wildly different.

If MGS5 is the newborn baby, MG:Survive is the remnants of the corpse of the mother that died in child birth.
I'm not saying that Survive was and is the original MGS5 game, i'm saying that it is likely the remnants of what was a significant portion of the original design.
Design got switched at some part mid-way and this caused a panic.

Honestly, if anything, Survive and MGS5 and MGO and all the other shit that seems unfinished or repurposed is emblematic of lots of changes happening a bunch of times. Probably to the point where Konami panicked and found Kojima to be more of a liability than an asset.

Normally when this type of shit happens, like on a movie or whatever, you see the final product is a fucking mess. There is no one unified vision and things have been changed during production and even after production to fit whatever whims of the director or worse yet the studio.
A game that is story driven being far longer and infinitely more complex in production than any given movie so you have to look at many different angles.
But with this game you can see it first hand in just the story elements themselves.

I've pointed out the game mechanics that seem unfinished. Some by admission (Battle Gear) but others that they covered up.
The hero/demon point system was already far too ingrained in its basic form to rip it out. Same thing with the mechanics dealing with snake's appearance, the smell, the flies, and the shower "refreshing" you so they just left it in.

MGS5 is like a person that has 7 apendixes and like 8 sets of tonsils and yet is missing an arm, a leg, maybe some fingers and like a clump of hair and might even have like half albinoism or some shit.
And the odd shriveled corpse of a conjoined twin kind of just tucked away in its rib cage.

It's gotten so bad most days I just don't bother browsing Holla Forums. Holla Forums was once a place of criticism, but now It's just become this battlefield of rumors and smears against anything that has to do with video games.

All your favorite games suck.
All your favorite game developers suck.
Everything sucks.

It's like a more depressing /r9k/.

I'm impressed.

Your post sucks

He's not a nigger you fucking cunt, he's a cool guy that happens to be black.

Unless he's a racemixer. In which case, DRAW YOUR SWORD RAMZA

Konami did nothing wrong.

Eh, i'm a fan of the MGS games but I'm not about to give Kojima a free pass.
Same with any developer or studio.
I also work in the reverse of that, I don't hold grudges against studios or developers like people here tend to do.
I basically judge it on a game by game basis.

With that being said, MGS5 in its own right is still a fine game. A mess compared to the others in the series but one of the better things to come out in 2015.

I simply refuse to play by the hugbox rules of any given community.
I also try to keep the nostalgia goggles way the fuck off.

Yes I never argued against it. But people are seemingly inferring from his statements he never wanted this sort of addition to the game, when he may very well wanted to.

Parasites turning people into zombies? Nanomachines turning people into vampires? Okay. Being stranded in an alternate world/dimension with Headless zombies with red horns!?!? GTFO!!

Or maybe people are annoyed at you Kojima dicksuckers, just like they are annoyed at the Gaben dicksuckers.

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Actually they're Zombies in the literal sense of the term. You'd know that if you weren't a moron.

Semantics. Everyone knows what Kojima means by zombie, and he means the groaning, rotting corpses that eat people.

It's worse than even FO4 and Bitcher 3. Better doesn't mean not shit.

I'm kind of disappointed Captain Vidya never really took off.

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The point is that there is always more to it than just throwing freaks or monsters at you at all times, that is more of a side attraction than the main draw of the series, which is mostly about political intrigue and whatnot.

Having stock MGO characters and (literally) faceless, mindless enemies doesn't allow for any of that. Besides gestures and one-line communication between player avatars, there's not much people should expect out of Survive unless Konami is saving the best for last. But I can't even imagine them attempting a story with such a bare-bones framework.

You guys realize that Konami is just trolling Kojima, because Kojima is hanging out with Norman Reedus - the stand-out star of a massively popular Zombie television franchise - as is featuring him as a/the main character in his new game Death Stranding game.

Metal Gear Survive is basically one big expensive poke at Kojima.

I wouldn't put it past them.
Sony created the Playstation all because they felt betrayed by Nintendo.
A whole new fucking division of the company just to get back at Nintendo.

Wouldn't put it past Konami to do something like this to dick with Kojima.

If that were true, my non-existent respect for konami would increase by a tiny margin

That game has bomb written all over it.

I'm sorry, but when did it all of the sudden turn cool to hate on Kojima? Or is this just a new fad Holla Forums is going through, cause he's popular and actually successful? He literally has never made a single bad game, that Konami didn't come into to butcher like MGSV.
Nice argument dumbasses, if you actually have played his games, you'd know that they contain more gameplay with depth than most other games.
Not only is Thief a shitty game compared to MGS, but guess what? It has such a shit simple story that could be entirely glanced over. MGS actually has a complicated story that carries over into gameplay, and reflects the emotions of the characters onto the player. Thief is just piss easy and Internet story-tier.


Confirmed for never playing a single MGS game.

This guy gets it.


There's a thing called talent that some people have.

How the fuck is he overrated? Are you just saying that anyone who gets recognized for doing something good multiple times is overrated, because you can't do shit in your life?

Or he'll make another good game and you can look like a retard for saying that.

Kojima himself has already stated that he doesn't want to make movies, and instead wants to focus on making games with good gameplay, being cinematic just happen to be his style. Of course you would know this if you didn't follow Holla Forums hivemind.

MGSV was all Konami's fault for shafting Kojima. Had it been finished, it would have been a masterpiece.

I hope this is bait because if you believe any of the shit you posted then you're fucking retarded.

Or maybe people are beginning to realize he's a hack who hasn't made a good game since mgs3? We're getting tired of these failed ideas and him blaming things around him only works for a limited time, if he fucks this project up, there is no cuknami scapegoat to pin it on.

Not saying the story isn't thin, but I never played MGS for the story, just for the gameplay, and I'm just thankful the fox engine is getting more legs.

Pro Choice people aren't necessarily asking abortions for unhealthy children. In fact, most of them just use it as a "get-out-of-parenthood-free" card. Pro Life people can't exactly go around screaming EUGENICS EUGENICS EUGENICS so they're depicted as bible-wielding psychopaths.


Like don't get me wrong I understand if someone were to accidentally get her gf pregnant but most of the fuckers asking to be Pro Choice are your typical "liberated women".

Reading about MGS2 and MGS3's development I can see this being true, also it's something happening to other vidya devs, like back at Nu-tendo with Shiggy being an unbearable faggot

they should contact customer services

Its not something that really should surprise anybody if they have half a brain. From what it seems, most "Creative" types have this volatile nature to them that if they don't have a firm hand to focus and guide their shit that they will just come undone with a bunch of shitty ideas.
Video games are no exception to this rule and in video games it can be even worse because of the development length, money involved, and the intricacies of the components that all have to work together.

This isn't even new to video games. This was first seen with the development of Bioshock: Infinite.
That game went through like 3 different incarnations before they settled on the shit pile literal ON RAILS shooter it became.

Listen, it doesn't take much of a stretch of the imagination and using deductive and inductive reasoning to piece together what may have happened with MGS5.
Shit, by MGS4 you could fucking tell something was really fucking wrong.

Pretty much this. Only thing Sera has over quiet are god-tier blowjob lips

Is there a term for a reverse sour grapes attitude?

Is anyone actually planning on trying Survive? Is it going to be a kind of expansion for MGSV5/MGSO3?

why are you lying to us kojima-san

people actually believe this?

You're right, but they're still just borderline vegetables. No need to pity them.

If it's piratable I'll give it a try
if it's not then I'll wait until it's cheap and buy it

Well, some missions in the game ARE masterpieces. It's just there isn't enough of these, and no real end to the story.

Clearly Kojima has proven he could make the game everyone expected, and as you may know, everyone was very happy with MGSV at first, until they reached the second half of chapter 2, from which it only went downhill, and then the fact Motherbase was empty and would remain so became more than jarring.

AUTISM
OVERWHELMING

I'm sure he's a tad upset.But its not like he has no right to be about it. And in the end I doubt he'll really ever talk much about how he feels about it publically.

I am curious to see what comes out next from him. He's such a talented guy, and while his games are far from perfect, I think he has all the talent to make a few more real classics before it's all said and done.

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Kojima is a fucking hack. You know what this reminds me of? It reminds me of a kid that wasn't able to do exactly what he wanted so now he says "I didn't even want to do it. That thing is dumb. You'd have to be dumb to want to do that."

It's never too late, user.

She is MINE
keep your filthy hands off of her!

You really are a retard. Find the most gorgeous woman on the planet, film her for a bit and I'll find frames where she looks like a hag.

Shit taste confirmed.

Language parasites must be the most retarded idea in all of fiction.

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A part of me wants to see Kojima join the JUSTice League, another wants him to flourish.

They literally never do this. Anti-choice activists never give the slightest shit about kids after they leave the womb.

Spotted the kikonigger

It's one of the most solid game engines out there. Comparable to Red Dead or Xenoblade.

I have no idea what you are even on about.