Prepare You Anus Because He's Going in Dry. Trump Cucks Out (Again)

Are we then to assume you are one of the jewish hasbara who forces off anons from here?

YES!

When shitlibs throw their usual tizzies, the only correct response is to brush them off as the overly emotional children that they are.

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You pretty much did, pal.

Fuck we should have elected Bernie.

You pretty much already did, you got the same end result, jews in complete control.
Give yourself a pat on the back.

But he hasn't demonstrated how to properly prep a bull as a white guy, clearly not on par with Bernie.

What's the weather like in Tel Aviv?
Do they have windows in your operations center?

WHAT'S TO TALK ABOUT?

LoL
So often these kike-jews repeat the same mantras, it's kind of default now when these ZOG cheerleaders pop up to hail ZOG

I don't know. Why don't you ask Sheldon Anderson one of Trump's biggest financial donors.

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I asked you.
DAMN HEEB

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Lets talk about how the place where the killing happened was a gun free zone. Had anyone been carrying, return fire would greatly reduce casualties.

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Usually yeah. But do you think a guy with a handgun, in that chaotic environment, could have made a significant difference against a guy with a rifle 30+ stories up?

Drumpfh doesn't care about white people, he's a leftist CivNat boomer cuck, and you have all been played like a damn fiddle. Why can't you even have a books thread on """Holla Forums"""? You're just a herd of nigger cattle.

==lol in b4 kikey ban

Reported because even imkikey is sometimes right accidentally.

Wasn't it you that openly declared you are one of the hasbara kikes that police these boards in your 1st post?
The only times you popup is when a goy posts against one of your jewish agendas, Trump being the one in this instance.

Since when did lying kikes like you become wanted here?

Fuck off you stupid sand nigger.
You're not whit and never will be.

ok faggot, nice NatSoc website that bans actual National Socialists more often than Twitter does. What a weak kneed panty wetter you are.

*white

Which is why we should open carry Rifles.

Faggots like you really piss me off. No one thinks Hillary would've been a better otpion, but we are leaening more every day that Trump wasn't a good option EITHER.

ie doing nothing

ie never

Gas yourself, schlomo

Remember when your mother responded with "we'll see" which meant "no"? This is what Trump just did with respect to gun laws.

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IT WAS HER TURN

Ok

No. Not even my mother was this much of wishy washy cunt.

Boy it sure didn't take long to chap your ass did it kikey? Does criticism of drumpf really get you down? Even 4chan allows more free speech these days.

Are you being paid well or are you doing it for free?

I don't disagree.

You're right. We should allow unfettered shitposting because some random shill thinks we're panty-wetters.

Clinton is the niggeriest white guy I've ever seen. Look how he stands with his right hand extended just enough to where that guy to the right has to stand in the background looking like a little bitch. Something a nigger would do.

Fascinating. Maybe you should try your luck there.

He's just trying a soft route, moron. He couldn't have went full in or else too many would chimp out. Eventually people will forget just like all the others like the Orlando shooting by that mudslime and they'll go back to plinking.

Kill youself, Shariahblue

Pretty much. The circumstances are so freakish and hard to replicate its going to be a pain in the ass to make legislation out of it. This whole situation is fucking rotten.

No, unfortunately I'm not a mod here or I'd be getting them sweet Kushner shekels.

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And what exactly did he do?

Get out.

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Oh Alamo, don't you ever worry that you're lying it on a little thick? Oh wait kikes never worry about overplaying their hands.

The irony of course is that it is you who isn;t white, every legit user wants you dead.
All you and your gang here do is ensure every false flag is treated as happening exactly as the jewish media says and Holla Forums must all stay on the jewish Trump train, or Kushner's cheques start to slow down.

The fact you've been harrassing any user calling out you hasbara kikes for years here and all the mods do is ban the antisemite, tells its own story.

Probably going to ban bump-fire mechanisms, tbh.

No reason for those to be legal while full-auto isn't.

Here, I saved the campaign trail gun rhetoric, almost no one at all talks about what he promised on guns. National concealed carry. Potential nation wide stand your ground. Mental health focus.

Take it from someone from a nation that has fully outlawed the rights to defend oneself. It is worse than death. Don’t let them do it to you.

Good goy.

This is what jews want us to become.

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Nah m8. We've had that discussion. Its a settled matter - there is no need for, nor justification for, further restriction.

No.

Well this is a new type of samefag.

Let's think about this…

Depending on the source cited, there are between 70-80 million (NRA, 2013; archive.is/uLJVq) and 106.3 million (Injury Prevention [journal], 2015; archive.is/8gox9) firearm owners in the US.

And then consider that there are ~30,000 firearms-related deaths annually in the US.
2015:
2014: 33,599
2013: 33,636 (Remember this one!)
2012: 33,563
*2011: 32,351
2010: 31,672
2009: 31,347
2008: 31,593
2007: 31,224
2006: 30,896
2005: 30,694
2004: 29,569
2003: 30,136
2002: 30,242
2001: 29,573
2000: 28,663
1999: 28,874

(Center for Injury Prevention and Control - CDC, 2014; archive.is/PVHdE)
> gunpolicy.org/firearms/citation/quotes/1377
(National Center for Health Statistics - CDC, 2-1
>cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/injury.htm
*(US Dept. of Health and Human Services - CDC, 2012; archive.is/Z3Age)
> gunpolicy.org/firearms/citation/quotes/6492
( Sydney School of Public Health, 2015; archive.is/jR9tp)
> gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states

… and further note that approximately 60% of firearms-related deaths, are suicides.

"61% of gun-related deaths are suicides"
(The National Academies Press, 2013; archive.is/UYK0o)
> nap.edu/catalog/18319/priorities-for-research-to-reduce-the-threat-of-firearm-related-violence

"The U.S. Department of Justice reports that approximately 60% of all adult firearm deaths are by suicide"
(Bureau of Justice, 2010; archive.is/1YE0T [wiki: archive.is/9IuXJ])
> bjs.gov/glance_redirect.cfm
> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States#cite_note-55

… So, if we look above, we see that in 2013, the year with the greatest firearms-related deaths since 1999, there were 33,636 firearms-related deaths in the US.

For our purposes… Ah, why not?
Let's increase that to 34,000.

And let's account for suicides while we're at it - remember, about 60% of firearms-related deaths are suicides…

34,000 - (34,000 * 0.6) = 13,600

… Giving us a total of 13,600 deaths annually in the US, in this (high-estimate) theoretical paradigm.
Note: Though suicides have been accounted for, accidental deaths (and other values potentially worthy of exclusion) are included.

… So, let's assume, each of those 13,600 people is killed by a different firearm owner - this is obviously not the case given many incidents involve a single person killing several people, and such assumption will inflate our number (potentially considerably), but let's assume such is the case.

If we make such an assumption, that means, of the between 70-80 million and 106.3 million, there were 13,600 people who used their firearm to kill another person.

Note again: This includes accidental deaths, and assumes each death was attributable to a different individual.

In that case…

(13,600 / 70-80,000,000) * 100 = 0.019% to 0.017%

(13,600 / 106,300,000) * 100 = 0.013%

… Granting us a theoretical range of 0.013% to 0.019% of firearms owners who will use their firearm to harm another human being with purposeful intent.

Not 1%.
Not half of 1% (0.5%).
Not one-tenth of 1% (0.1%).
Not half of one-tenth of 1% (0.05%).
Somewhere between one-tenth of one-tenth of 1% (0.01%) and one-fifth of one-tenth of 1% (0.02%).
Elevated relative to actual figures due to our analytical approach, of course.

The point being?
Remember these numbers when someone tries convince you that firearms need to go after some random nutjob goes on a shooting spree.

Because the notion of denying the Constitutional right - the Constitutional duty - of the American citizenry - all 318 million of us - due to the actions of criminals and the mentally deranged?

That's not very American.

The source is irrelevant. That was Trumps gun promises during the campaign. Hold him to them. Open carry. Someone in the hotel could have stopped the shooter. The guy in the room next to him etc.

concealed*

WTF I LOVE GETTING MY ASSHOLE POUNDED RELENTLESSLY BY POLITICIANS NOW

wewlad. Trump is a delaying tactic.

Who is that supposed to be, user-san?

oh bullshit. your argument basically boils down to chess. i'm sick of fucking chess because all it ever leads to is more cucking.
trump could have said "i ran on a pro-2A platform, and i'm still pro-2A"
He didn't have to make any faggy fucking statement. Stop with this
It never works. All Trump succeeds at is offending his core fucking base.
8pol is full of this apologetic bullshit
fucking faggots

Even then, the least your looking at is an incredibly freak incident that would be difficult to use to make policy on. The things that have been reported and the stuff we seen suggest maybe he was an Ancient Hilldawg that got pulled along by butt-hurt CIAniggers for an atrocity.

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Yea and thats irrelevant to the point that he made promises on the campaign and we get to blame kikes if he doesnt hold them.Obviously you cant vote your way out of white genocide, but you might as well get the benefits of Trump and actually hold him to national concealed carry and dindu put down permits.

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED means something to us, but not to the left. Get your head of of your ass and recognize the only real instance of 4d chess we have ever seen from The Don™

calm down kikey

As far as Im aware he was caught in a pink feminist hat protesting Trump, and its antifas fault because of that.

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If Trump wants to die so badly the American pubic won't hold it against him.

Everyone knows when you do this shit you robo chugging buffoon. We all know what VPNs are.

Leave kikey alone!
Kushner loves him at least

Basically this. There's no way to know how he's eventually going to handle this, but avoiding debate right now is a good idea. That said, if he cucks out on this like he might be doing with amnesty, then there will be reason to be upset.

Didn't the Vegas shooter get all his gear legally? There is nothing to talk about regarding gun laws, we need to start discussing the plague of mental illness affecting society that is being perpetuated by the kike run MSM.

Based!
He'll probably lock up Hillary after that too

Who's we?
Just because you don't want to discuss something doesn't mean no one else mustn't be allowed to.

You're a fucking retard. He said NOTHING.
"We will discuss the question" means nothing. He didn't say what the conclusion might be

I mean at least we would have burned this bitch down faster, but the world would hate us sooooo.

lewd. pls stahp.

It's not chess. It's normal politics. The Republicans have learned to do this over the years, they wait out the Democrats emotional tantrum then carry on as usual once the initial backlash passes. If Trump actually starts supporting gun control he is a complete traitor and should be strung up with the rest, but I sincerely doubt that he will do so. I'm beginning to think Trump will not do anything effective at all as President, but I also don't think he'll suddenly start pushing a liberal agenda.

Cucking on DACA is the end of burger, period. CA blue, TX blue, the voters will have been successfully replaced and they'll vote themselves infinite gibs until the last white man is dead or a sex slave to sheboons. Drumpf is little better than Hillary and we should fight him and his apparatchiki and his cronies and minions just like our survival as a race depends on it. It does.

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This really washingtond my denzels.
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Learned to do what? Actions speak louder than words. And their actions have earned them the infamous cuck title. Cuck is common vernacular now thanks to how fucking weak the republicans are.
Stop. making. excuses

Kikes love making excuses.

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Apologies if I misunderstood, but considering one of the opening responses was a jew declaring his presence on this thread and a dozen or so Trumpkikes, its sometimes hard to separate the legit anons from the rest of the swamp of kikes and super-bad-based fashy redditors who all seem to want to vote for ziocon jews to save us from ziocon jews

Where to.change vote?
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The citizenry of the United States.
Yes, it does. Fuck you, nigger. There is no need, nor justification, for 'discussion' of these laws, outside of OPENING THEM UP FURTHER. And that's clearly not the intent here.
Except he did say something, retard.
So he did say something, you admit it, you just want people to believe its 'nothing'.
Yeah, funny that.

Kill yourself kike, people won't fall for your both sides bullshit anymore.

feel free to make an argument any time

Gun rights have been holding their own in the last decade if you didn't notice, so on this subject, no, the Republicans are not weak. Granted, that's purely due to it being a hot button issue that can make or break your election, and the gigantic lobbies that keep guns safe, rather than out of a genuine respect for the 2nd Amendment, but it is something they will not bend on for those two reasons.

Same guy, back again. I got 3 day'd for making a big stink about it last time, but promised he would be back and I would be proven right. Here he is, doing it again.

This really activated me almonds, shareblue.com
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You know, this really cabbages my colliflowers
IMWITHER2056

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a newfag reveals himself

Jesus Christ you are one verminous little kike.

Now post sassycat.

If that's what pans out, that's what seals the deal. A Dem Boomer who decides to go after potential Trump supporters with the support of some CIAniggers destroys Gun Control. This might end up working out for us.

Looks like Mila Kunis.

Who the fuck is "we"? I never talked to a Tor poster recently about any of this. And yes this is a delaying tactic, Trump is busy in Puerto Rico right now and doesn't have time to fly out to debate gun control. He already made an address, and although written on paper may sound neutral he was pretty pissed.

Yeah, you're right.
Really russels those crows.
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Whether you're with her or him, you always back the jew

That's no newfag,. that's BanBan Imkampfy (artfully illustrated here )
who bans anyone who goes against any single one of the principle tenets of Kushner's agenda

I see the usual TD crew has been busy ITT. You're not going to successfully shut down the thread with your debunked bingo pic and your wild accusations that anyone critical of the administration is a paid shill.

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That post really fagioli'd my fussilies.
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FeelTheZucc

The election is over you worthless doubleniggers. You kosher sandwich false dichotomy bullshit, all your faux-threat organizations, its all hollow now, obviously pure rhetoric.

Later: Yeah, we looked at the policies. They're ok as is, now quit yer bitching!

Shareblue is still trying hard I see.

can we get a new vegas general bread please
we're up to 11

red text does not legitimize anything your saying. you are a kike and a shill. reported and filtered.

godammit wrong thread

Am i doing this right?

If he does anything as far as restrictive measures are concerned he can kiss 2020 goodbye the second he signs the first piece of paper.

You're right.
I want you to know that you really reenaud my keaves
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nigger please he already lost his 2nd term

Get fucked, Shariahblue. We know the democratic process is the key to saving the White race, you shills aren't going to stop anyone from doing their civic duty and voting Republican in 2020 and beyond. You already lost.

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double nigger

That post really sauteed those colliflowers.
IMWITHHER2089

9/10 actually made me laugh. Quality shitposting, user.

This really activated my alimony

Not quite you must first give a signal call on your GIYUS megaphone app, then demand we all report and filter anyone exposing jewish subversion here on Holla Forums
Imkikey will be along later to clean up all the antisemitic content

reported and filtered

It's not the fucking election anymore, Trump is not to be protected from criticism

Dems: ==Muh feels! Gun control nao!==
Don: Errr, no - we won't talk about it now. I know you're a caring person and realise we need to care about gun violence victims now. Don't we?
Dems: Ahhhhhhh…….ummmmmmmm…..yeah. OK, I suppose. (Shit he's got us sussed!)

The stink of fresh jew with no argument.

That really justed my monthly payment
IMACRUZMISSILENOW2073

9 post and nothing to show for it. reported and filtered

Who is it kike-kun? Inform me!

Kike-kun is still paranoid I see! Afu-fu-fu~

That he already can. All the dems that voted against him will vote against him again, and he sure didn't fulfill the expectations of his base.

god you are the dumbest motherfucker to walk this earth, no wonder they chose you to moderate this site. You're too mentally incontinent to learn anything of value, it's impossible you could ever pose a threat to anything more intelligent than a Hot Pocket.

He's going to say two different things like he always does, but inevitably do nothing.

It's like when parents tell their kids "we'll see," which means, "no, but I don't want to listen to you whine about it right now."

I know people are feeling burned by Trump now, but gun rights are one of the few things the Republicans don't generally cuck on, given that it doesn't directly harm Zionism and that most laws would just get struck down in court.

Don't you jews ever "switch tactics"? You're making yourself real obvious, every time one of these threads pop up.

Sounds like exactly what I'd say if I was a politician being asked about something I wasn't ever going to do anything about.

What did you expect him to say?

Douchbags like OP always do shit like this everytime Trump says something they mildly dislike. Then when he actually "does" something, it btfo's the nay sayers.

Then they'll have the gall to come back on that /ourguy/ shit.

Fuck off.

Why so bitter, kike-kun? Having a bad day? I bet you have those a lot! Ku-ku-ku~

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This goy gets it

It's 3 fucking years away.

Which is your favorite flavor of Robitussin?

Yeah this thread really washingntond my denzels.
Thanks shareblue
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and he already managed to tank relations with russia to extreme lows, intervene in Syria, send more zogbots to Afghanistan, escalate tensions with Norks, and is saber rattling Iran, while praising Israel as the Greatest Ally and kicking from his team anyone who isn't a kike or a neocon. All in less than a year.

Really cubas those goodings, doesn't it?

So you're faggot concern Troll stirring shit up. Fucking Torposters. "We" as in Anons on this board have only started discussing this roughly 50 minutes ago. Fuck you and kill yourself.

Do you fuckers ever get tired of shitting the place up?
You and your tantrums aren't convincing anyone.

Just that.
What i wished he would say? That this isn't a gun problem but a mental disorder of a liberal shithead, probably. Guns aren't that different to cars, at the right place you can kill 50 people just as easily. Or use the other 2000 methods. Only people can have an effect, its a matter of a healthy society not objects.

awwww, are still upset?? dont worry, Gorsuch will protect out 2nd amendment rights and you fags will blow your time and money trying to stop it KEK

Don't be so grumpy, kike-kun! Save it for the gas chamber!

Yeah this thread realy shares my blues
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Homosexuality and Judaism
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"LGBT topics and Judaism" redirects here. For transgender topics in Judaism, see Transgenderism and religion § Judaism.
Homosexual behavior and Judaism Halakhic texts relating to this article
Torah: Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13.
Mishneh Torah:

• For men: Issurei Bi'ah 1:14, 21:18.
• For women: Issurei Bi'ah 21:8.

The subject of homosexual behavior and Judaism dates back to the Torah. The book of Vayiqra (Leviticus) is traditionally regarded as classifying sexual intercourse between males as a to'eivah (something abhorred or detested) that can be subject to capital punishment by the currently nonexistent Sanhedrin under halakha (Jewish law).
Jewish marchers at San Francisco Pride 2014
Mexican Jew at the 2015 Marcha Gay of Mexico City

The issue has been a subject of contention within modern Jewish denominations, and has led to debate and division. Traditionally, Judaism has understood homosexual male intercourse as contrary to Judaism, and this opinion is still maintained by Orthodox Judaism. On the other hand, Reconstructionist Judaism and Reform Judaism do not hold this view and allow homosexual intercourse and same-sex marriage.[citation needed] Conservative Judaism's Committee on Jewish Law and Standards, which until December 2006 held the same position as Orthodoxy, recently issued multiple opinions under its philosophy of pluralism, with one opinion continuing to follow the Orthodox position and another opinion substantially liberalizing its view of homosexual sex and relationships while continuing to regard certain sexual acts as prohibited.

Contents

1 Homosexuality in the Hebrew Bible
2 Rabbinic Jewish application and interpretation of these verses
2.1 Applicability of Biblical death penalty
2.2 Lesbian sexual activity
2.3 Same-sex marriage in the Midrash and the Talmud
3 Orthodox Jewish views
3.1 2008 Israeli Document of Principles (Hod)
3.2 Statement by Rabbis Schachter, Willig, Rosensweig, and Twersky (2010)
3.3 July 2010 public statement by some leaders
3.4 2016 edict signed by some Israeli Orthodox rabbis
3.5 Ex-gay organizations
3.6 Other viewpoints
4 Conservative Judaism
5 Reform Judaism
6 Reconstructionist Judaism
7 Jewish Renewal
8 Humanistic Judaism
9 LGBT-affirmative activities
10 See also
11 Notes
12 Sources
13 Further reading
14 External links

Homosexuality in the Hebrew Bible
Further information: The Bible and homosexuality

The traditional viewpoint is that the Torah mentions homosexuality twice in the book of Leviticus (JPS):

.וְאֶת-זָכָר, לֹא תִשְׁכַּב מִשְׁכְּבֵי אִשָּׁה — תּוֹעֵבָה הִוא

Lev. 18:22 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind; it is detestable."

.וְאִישׁ אֲשֶׁר יִשְׁכַּב אֶת-זָכָר מִשְׁכְּבֵי אִשָּׁה — תּוֹעֵבָה עָשׂוּ שְׁנֵיהֶם. מוֹת יוּמָתוּ; דְּמֵיהֶם בָּם

Lev. 20:13 "And if a man lie with mankind, as with womankind, both of them have committed a detestable act: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

Deuteronomy 23:18 tells followers:

None of the daughters of Israel shall be a kedeshah, nor shall any of the sons of Israel be a kadesh.

This has been interpreted as prohibiting the "sons of Israel" from serving as a homosexual temple prostitute.[citation needed]

The story of Ruth and Naomi in the Book of Ruth is also occasionally interpreted as the story of a lesbian couple,[1][2] while the biblical description of the relationship between David and Jonathan in the Book of Kings is sometimes interpreted as male homosexual love.[3]
Rabbinic Jewish application and interpretation of these verses
Applicability of Biblical death penalty

Like many similar commandments, the stated punishment for willful violation was the death penalty, though minors under 13 years of age were exempt from this as from any other penalty (Sanh. 54a). However, even in Biblical times, it was very difficult to get a conviction that would lead to this prescribed punishment. The Jewish Oral Law states that capital punishment would only be applicable if two men were caught in the act of anal sex, if there were two witnesses to the act, if the two witnesses warned the men involved that they committed a capital offense, and the two men — or the willing party, in case of rape — subsequently acknowledged the warning but continued to engage in the prohibited act anyway. In fact, there is no account of capital punishment, in regards to this law, in Jewish history.

Rabbinic tradition understands the Torah's system of capital punishment to not be in effect for the past approximately 2,000 years, in the absence of a Sanhedrin and Temple.[4]

Classical rabbinic Jewish sources do not specifically mention that homosexual attraction is inherently sinful. However, someone who has had homosexual intercourse is considered to have violated a prohibition.[citation needed] If he does teshuva (repentance)—i.e., he ceases his forbidden actions, regrets what he has done, apologizes to God, and makes a binding resolution never to repeat those actions, he is seen to be forgiven by God.[5]

Lesbian sexual activity

Why lesbianism is not explicitly prohibited in the Bible has become a matter of interpretation. Suggestions range from the idea that in ancient times only acts in which men emitted semen were defined as sexual, to the assumption that in biblical times sexual attraction between women did not exist, to the belief that religious rules that apply to men automatically apply to women.[6]

Sexual liaisons between women are, however, viewed as forbidden by most rabbis. This view is based on a Drash interpretation of the Biblical verse "Do not follow the ways of Egypt where you once lived, nor of Canaan, where I will be bringing you. Do not follow any of their customs." (Leviticus 18:3).

The Talmud prohibits any activity which it defines as mesolelot or tribadism (women rubbing genitals together). The main concern in the Talmud was whether women who carried out acts were eligible to marry a member of the priesthood. It was doubtful whether this activity removed their status as a virgin or made them a harlot. Maimonides suggests that this behavior should not disqualify a woman from marrying a priest. Talmudic law limits the penalty for lesbianism to flagellation rather than the death penalty.[7]
Same-sex marriage in the Midrash and the Talmud

The Babylonian Talmud is one of the few ancient religious texts that makes reference to same-sex marriage:

"'Ula said: Non-Jews [litt. Bnei Noach, the progeny of Noah] accepted upon themselves thirty mitzvot [divinely ordered laws] but they only abide by three of them: the first one is that they do not write marriage documents for male couples, the second one is that they don't sell dead [human] meat by the pound in stores and the third one is that they respect the Torah.'"[8]

Orthodox Jewish views

While a variety of views regarding homosexuality as an inclination or status exist within the Orthodox Jewish community, Orthodox Judaism generally prohibits homosexual conduct. While there is some disagreement about which male homosexual acts come under core prohibitions, the majority of Orthodox Judaism puts male-male anal sex in the category of yehareg ve'al ya'avor, "die rather than transgress", the small category of Biblically-prohibited acts (also including murder, idolatry, adultery, and incest) which an Orthodox Jew is obligated under the laws of Self-sacrifice under Jewish Law to die rather than do.[citation needed] Similarly, some consider lesbianism a martyrdom-demanding transgression if only based upon the principle of abizrayhu (corollary prohibitions of the more severe martyrdom-requiring prohibitions).[9] According to the Talmud, homosexual acts are forbidden between non-Jews as well, and this is included among the sexual restrictions of the Noachide laws.[10]

In a speech given in 1986, the Lubavitcher Rebbe, Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, discussed "individuals who express an inclination towards a particular form of physical relationship in which the libidinal gratification is sought with members of one's own gender". He wrote that "society and government must be to offer a helping hand to those who are afflicted with this problem".[11]

Rabbi Dr. Immanuel Jakobovits, in his entry Homosexuality in the Encyclopedia Judaica (Keter Publishing), describes the traditional opinion on homosexuality in this way:

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Jewish law […] rejects the view that homosexuality is to be regarded merely as a disease or as morally neutral…. Jewish law holds that no hedonistic ethic, even if called "love", can justify the morality of homosexuality any more than it can legitimize adultery or incest, however genuinely such acts may be performed out of love and by mutual consent.

Rabbi Norman Lamm (the Chancellor, Rosh Yeshiva ["head of the yeshiva"], and former president of Yeshiva University, a major Modern Orthodox Jewish institution) advocated[12] that some (although not all) homosexuals should be viewed as diseased and in need of compassion and treatment, rather than willful rebels who should be ostracized. He distinguishes between six varieties of homosexuals, including "genuine homosexuals" who have "strong preferential erotic feelings for members of the same sex", "transitory" and "situational" homosexuals who would prefer heterosexual intercourse but are denied it or seek gain in homosexuality, and heterosexuals who are merely curious.

When Steven Greenberg, who received Orthodox rabbinic ordination, publicly announced in 1999 that he was homosexual, there was a significant response from rabbis of all denominations reported in the Jewish newspapers. Rabbi Moshe Tendler, a leading rabbi at Yeshiva University, stated "It is very sad that an individual who attended our yeshiva sunk to the depths of what we consider a depraved society,"

Tendler said that Rabbi Greenberg's announcement is "the exact same as if he said, 'I'm an Orthodox Rabbi and I eat ham sandwiches on Yom Kippur.' What you are is a Reform Rabbi."[13]

Orthodox Israeli rabbi Ron Yosef became in 2009 the first Israeli orthodox Rabbi to come out, by appearing in Uvda ("Fact"), Israel's leading investigative television program, in an episode regarding conversion therapies in Israel.[14] Yosef remains in his position as a pulpit Rabbi.[15] Yosef testified that his Yemenite congregation didn't accept him being a homosexual very easily and it took them a while to accept it. He stated that the younger generation strengthened and supported him, while the older generation had a more difficult experience.↵Yosef received death threats in the year leading up to the 2009 Tel Aviv gay centre shooting.[16]

In 2013, he stated he is in a relationship with a man.[17]

Yosef has stated his approach to the issue of homosexuality in Judaism as follows:

"It is clear to me that lying with another man is forbidden, and our starting point is commitment to halacha and Torah. The goal is not to seek permission. But you need to give us a shoulder and support."[15]

2008 Israeli Document of Principles (Hod)

In an open letter distributed to Orthodox community leaders,[18] the Hod organization appealed to the Orthodox community to recognize them as part of the religious society. This was sent to over 100 rabbis in 2008, and eventually was known as the "Document of Principles". In part, the document states:

"Anal intercourse between men (Isur Mishkav Zachar) is what is forbidden in the Torah, and not the homosexual orientation.

…One can advise a person who is interested in doing so, to consult a certified professional mental health worker, on condition that complete information is provided about the type of treatment, its chances of success and its risks. No treatment should be seen as either ultimate or exclusive.

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A homosexual man may not be coerced into marriage, since marriage provides no inherent solution to a person struggling with his sexuality…One’s capacity to marry does not only include a readiness to fulfill the commandment of "Be fruitful and multiply" but also the suitability to manage a healthy and moral relationship with one’s spouse.

On the condition that he does not publicize his actions, a person who has transgressed the prohibition of homosexual intercourse should not be cast out from the religious community. Homosexual activity (as opposed to the homosexual orientation itself) is prohibited absolutely by the Torah…

…A homosexual should be acknowledged as a full member of the religious community, be it in making up a minyan (prayer quorum), delivering the Priestly Blessing, being called up for a blessing on the Torah or being recognized as a valid witness – in these and in any other matter he should not be treated differently to any other person.

…It is of great importance to set up support groups for homosexuals, and such organizations are to be considered charity organizations…An ‘all or nothing’ policy is opposed to the way of Halakha. Every Jewish person should try to keep all the commandments and should do everything he or she can to be as observant of the Torah as possible".

Up to 2013, 163 Orthodox rabbis from Israel and abroad have signed this statement, among them: rabbi Yuval Cherlow, rabbi Binyamin Lau, rabbi Haim Navon, rabbi Daniel Sperber, rabbi Eliezer Melamed, rabbi Shai Piron and rabbi Yehuda Gilad.
Statement by Rabbis Schachter, Willig, Rosensweig, and Twersky (2010)

In 2010, TorahWeb.org published a brief position statement entitled "Torah View on Homosexuality".[19] It was co-authored by Rav Hershel Schachter, Rav Mordechai Willig, Rav Michael Rosensweig, and Rav Mayer Twersky. These four are all roshei yeshiva (i.e., rabbinic leaders) at the Rabbi Isaac Elchanan Theological Seminary at Yeshiva University, the largest and most influential Modern Orthodox rabbinic program in America. In part, the statement reads:

… Prohibited homosexual activity includes any non-platonic physical contact; even yichud (seclusion) with someone of the same gender is forbidden for homosexually active individuals. …

… today's galus [exile] seeks to legitimize and mainstream the abominable practice (toeiva) of homosexuality. Frighteningly, we who live here are not only practically affected, but also axiologically and ideationally infected. Not only our behavior but our very Weltanschauung has been compromised and contaminated.

… Homosexual behavior is absolutely prohibited and constitutes an abomination. Discreet, unconditionally halachically committed Jews who do not practice homosexuality but feel same sex attraction (ssa) should be sympathetically and wholeheartedly supported. They can be wonderful Jews, fully deserving of our love, respect, and support. They should be encouraged to seek professional guidance. Moreover, in an uninfected Torah society, appropriate sympathy for discreet shomrei Torah u'mitzvos who experience but do not act upon ssa is clearly distinguished from brazen public identification of their yetzer hara [temptation] for forbidden behavior. …

How painful, sad and sobering is the sharp contrast between the clear attitude that should prevail in a pure Torah community and the confusion that exists among well-intentioned individuals within our communities. … ssa is not viewed as a challenge of kevishas hayetzer (overcoming and taming impulses for forbidden behavior), but rather as a troubling halacha lacking in compassion, rachmanah litzlan [God forbid].

… Inevitably, with respect to homosexuality, Talmud Torah [Torah study] will place us at odds with political correctness and the temper of the times. Nevertheless, we must be honest with ourselves, and with Hakadosh Baruch Hu [God], regardless of political correctness, considerations or consequences.

Any confirmation of yet he was even using a bump fire weapon, or a bipod? Or are these just the talking points for what they want to ban next?

July 2010 public statement by some leaders

On July 22, 2010, a "Statement of Principles on the Place of Jews with a Homosexual Orientation in Our Community" was released.[20] It was written primarily by Nathaniel Helfgot, Aryeh Klapper, and Yitzchak Blau. Signatories include more than a hundred rabbis and laypeople. Some of the statement's more notable supporters are Rabbi Marc Angel, co-founder of The Rabbinic Fellowship; Rabbi Shlomo Riskin, founder of Lincoln Square Synagogue, Efrat, and Ohr Torah Stone Institutions; and Rabbi Avi Weiss, head of the Hebrew Institute of Riverdale, founder of Yeshivat Chovevei Torah and Yeshivat Maharat, and co-founder of The Rabbinic Fellowship.[21]

The statement makes it clear that homosexual activity is still prohibited, saying inter alia that "Halakhah sees heterosexual marriage as the ideal model and sole legitimate outlet for human sexual expression"; "Halakhic Judaism views all male and female same-sex sexual interactions as prohibited"; and "halakhic values proscribe individuals and communities from encouraging practices that grant religious legitimacy to gay marriage and couplehood". However, it emphasizes that homosexuals need to be treated with compassion and respect. Some of the statement's points that diverge from other common Orthodox positions are:

We affirm the religious right of those with a homosexual orientation to reject therapeutic approaches they reasonably see as useless or dangerous.
We believe that the decision as to whether to be open about one's sexual orientation should be left to such individuals, who should consider their own needs and those of the community. We are opposed on ethical and moral grounds to both the “outing” of individuals who want to remain private and to coercing those who desire to be open about their orientation to keep it hidden.
Communities should display sensitivity, acceptance and full embrace of the adopted or biological children of homosexually active Jews in the synagogue and school setting.
Jews who have an exclusively homosexual orientation should, under most circumstances, not be encouraged to marry someone of the other gender.

See also: Mixed-orientation marriage
2016 edict signed by some Israeli Orthodox rabbis

An edict signed by dozens of Israeli Orthodox rabbis and published in 2016 by the Israeli Modern Orthodox rabbinic group Beit Hillel, a group which promotes inclusiveness in Orthodox Judaism, stated in part, "according to the Torah and halacha, the [same-sex sexual] acts are forbidden but not the proclivities, and therefore people with same-sex tendencies, men and women, have no invalidation in halacha or tradition. They are obligated by the commandments of the Torah, they can fulfill a [ritual] obligation on behalf of the public and carry out all of the community functions just like any member.”[22] It also stated in part, "just as it [is] inconceivable to mock someone for being physically, behaviorally, or mentally different, so too those with same-sex tendencies should not be mocked. On the contrary, those around them — family and community — should show special feeling for them, and apply to them the Torah commandment of ‘Love thy neighbor as thyself’ and to be diligent in avoiding the prohibition of insulting another."[22]
Ex-gay organizations
Further information: Ex-gay movement

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Probably a mod. Can't tell if they're retarded or legitimate shills at this point.

It's a shill slide thread.
OP has no intention of discussing.

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That Bush is intense and Semitic. By the way we got a p9ick of the dudes head allegedly the ears match the pussy-hat faggot.

what has Trump actually done, satan?

What, discussing that Trump is becoming or already is controlled opposition? That's already self-evident.

is that hillary?

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why are you so upset over a simple statement? this is not a policy being passed or a surprise executive order; just a completely inconsequential short string of words - something obvious that everybody already knew. if these things upset you so much then maybe you should stay away from politics and watch comedies on the tv instead

do you think that all it takes for people to agree with you is to sprinkle in a Holla Forums approved phrase in with whatever narrative you're trying to push?
you would have been better off just not making this thread. it's better to choose your battles than to set a precedent that you're retarded

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lel imkikey actually anchored it
his bottom must be real sore

This thread really zucchini'd my pommodores
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He repealed the TPP and attempted to end Obamacare. Aside from that, though, he has failed to follow through on his campaign promises, and in several cases is giving the appearance of outright reversing his position. Ultimately we cannot render judgement until he makes a decisive move in one direction or another. It's difficult to have a constructive conversation about the possibilities here, though, as both sides of the argument prefer to scream kike and shill at each other rather than engage in any kind of analysis or debate.

There are times when I feel like I'm wasting my energy here as of late, the threads on the boards are rapidly becoming little more than comments sections for MSM news articles, and real discussion about any politically relevant subject is rare, to say the least.

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Y so angry, shareblue?

This thread pommodored my zucchinis so hard
I'm Cruz missile now

this shows who the actual shills are

Didn't he also say he would remove the 'gun-free' zones around schools? Or did I hear that one out of contex

We can't wait on him to betray us again before getting upset. We should all be telling him to fuck off if he even thinks about it.

Mental illness is real of course, but it will be used by the jews in psychiatry and the government to disarm the jews' enemies.

This.

Users are responsible for their own posts, dumbshit. It's even enshrined in US law.

You tell us, considering you're the one acting like a Jew here.

Debbie Harry.

Why is it that every single one of your posts, imkikey, is pure and utter bullshit that does nothing but lower the overall quality of Holla Forums in general. I have never once seen you make a post with anything valuable to add to discussion.

Holy shit you're a massive faggot-san. Get the fuck off my board you weeaboo niggershit pedo.

I thought they were legally bought?

Wow, user. What a discovery. If only we knew about that before the election e.g. from Trump himself constantly talking about it.