An honest discussion of the Trump question, the shills, and how to deal with them

Brothers,

Over the past few days, we've seen an influx of consensus-cracking shills, seeking to break down our North Korean cuisine discussion BBS and our sense of community. Using tactics that they have always used, they seek to divide and demoralize us by arguing that Trump is a kike puppet, that he is their golem, that he has Jewish serpents whispering poison into his ears, and that we have zero reason to trust him or follow him any longer.

Tragically, the shills are right.

Well, partially right. It is certainly true that Trump's loyalties ultimately do not lie with the White Race. At best, they lie with an imagined patriotic hallucination of an American civic nation. The issue is a serious one indeed, and to bring up this very worrying fact is not only the act of a shill. However, I do not believe that this means that we should completely remove ourselves from his base, nor is it (or at least, nor ought it to be) an attack on the character of the people who have supported him heretofore to suggest that Trump has wavered substantially and revealed that at least some kike strings are attached to his arms.

The most important thing to remember, however, is what the shill's ultimate goal is. Is it to convince us that Trump is controlled by Jews? NO! He cares not much for what we believe about Trump, only that we are divided about i!. If we are all of one mind that Trump is the God-Emperor, then we will work together in unity to support him, and in the process do great things. (After all, the people who attack him, and whom he attacks, are still our enemies.) If we are all of one mind that Trump is kiked, then we will work together in unity to do great things about something else entirely.

Of course, brothers, we cannot all be of one mind about this. We are all intelligent, or at least honest, individuals. Most of us do not form our beliefs solely on ingroup consensus. Anything approaching a board "consensus" will not be reached until after months of mulling it over and intellectual and memetic osmosis. However, at present, the shills are taking advantage of this very real issue to create fractures in our unity. So, at present, the solution is not to argue over it. Wait until the shills go away, so that an honest, open discussion can be had.

There is, however, another reason why we shouldn't give up on Trump. He tries to listen to his base, whenever the kikes can't stop him from doing so. Consider Syria. After the bombing, I was distraught. I felt betrayed. And, to be frank, I still think we were. Some people believe that that bombing was actually dextrous political maneuvering involving high explosives, but not me. Nevertheless, Trump realized his mistake after facing a colossal backlash from his base, and quickly backed off from Syria. Now, Assad's forces are busy mopping up ISIS. Hopefully, the same will be true over DACA. There is not a segment of Trump's base that is not worried about him breaking that promise. Even over at The_Zionald, you can here rumblings of it. Even the Boomers are worried about it. So, don't give up hope yet.

In summary, the goal of the shill is not to convince you one way or the other, it is to sow confusion, discord, and anger. Do not let him. Remain calm, cool, and collected. To the people who believe that it is 4D chess, I say: do not attack your brother for being more pessimistic than you are. To the people who believe Trump is already lost and decry "chessfags", I say: Trump may be about to betray us over this, but there is still hope for a course correction, so do not fall silent yet.

And gentlemen, brothers, let us all remember that, in the grand scheme of things, Trump is just another event on the road to National Socialist victory. The Struggle will not be won through him, but it will not be lost through him either.

SEIG HEIL!

Wew, that turned out both more flowery and longer than I originally intended by far.

They aren't shills you T_D sperg, we were here before you.

Every time.

Then they're not shills, you retarded faggot.

Shills learned a long time ago that the best way to ruin discussion was to start accusing everybody of being a shill.

Trump is 100% controlled opposition.

Sorry, lad. Trump really is looking like he's not going to follow through on his most important campaign promises. It's no longer necessary to suck his cock 24/7.

They can be raising what would otherwise be a legitimate issue, but still deliberately doing it in such a vitriolic manner as to ruin any hope of debate. Hence, shills.

I'm not saying that all, or even most, of the people who raise the issue are shills. Mostly the ones who try to drag it into completely unrelated threads to totally derail them.

your shitpost is too obvious

So you dismiss their arguments because of vitriol?
What kind of faggot are you?

Faggot OP, every time. Kill yourself you reddit retard Trump is a pedo kike being strung up by his balls like a marionette, you literal autists only convinced yourself he isn't because you disregard all threads that aren't about ZOGmerica and dismiss any criticism with schizo delusions of DUH BIGGEST SHILL RAID OF ALL TIME AIMED AT YOU TO HATE JEWS!!1. You aren't my brother, you aren't even an user, you're jewish vermin that acts as such and should fuck off out of here for forever.

Listen, user, just don't browse Trump and Religion related threads. Life gets a lot easier. Seriously, give it enough time and they'll burn themselves out.

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Sounds about right. Good luck with the inevitable d&c flood you're going to get though. Carry on.

Reminder that white men can have honest disagreement about important details once the volk are safe.

Actual Holla Forumsacks knew–in the first month after Trump’s announcement–that we were going to be his biggest cheerleaders during the campaign and his biggest critics once he got in office. The goal is moving the Overton window. Always has been, always will be. A man is not our hero.

Anyone shilling for Trump and AGAINST OUR IDEOLOGY is a 4chan or reddit refugee–or may well just be a kike shill–and should be ignored.

What exactly are you having a "peaceful" disagreement against, the notion that you're all cucked faggots ZOGbots who fell for a jewish t.v personality con man scheme?

Here we go.
inb4 "whaaaat we aren't allowed to talk about jews on my /poooool?!?!?!?

Perfectly true, and something I touched on. We have a unique opportunity, that of our critiques of Trump potentially having an actual effect on his decisions. If it works on DACA, then I will remain confident that he's sufferable for the next three years. If not, well, we just buckle down, shamefully delete our rare Trump folders,


Nothing to see here whatsoever.

I honestly don't know what I was thinking posting this during work hours.

*shamefully delete our rare Trump folders, and move on to do what we would have had to do anyway.

I endured bans by Trumpcucks like you for two years that can't even spell Sieg Heil. And I am called the shill.

HALE HORTLER

Well, that's embarassing. I spent an extra five minutes proofreading that post when I realized what a monster it had become, and I still missed that.
brb, committing sudoku
sage because repeated author self-bumps are autistic

It ISN'T the improper use of ZOGbot you Trumptard, just when Charliotville hit you Amerimongrels hijacked it to mean "police" for some fucking retarded reason although it refers to ALL of you.

To be fair

is right

I'm sure it's 6,000,000-D chess but I'd rather see a sign from Trump that he's on our side. His immigration reform, taking us out of the Paris accords and TPP, and stopping the CIAniggers from arming ISIS was good and no other candidate would have done that. But he really needs to get his shit together on voter fraud committed by the Democrats, the real reasons both parties want DACA (blue voters and dumb laborers), and keeping his America First promise. And get his fucking kike son-in-law out of the white house. Kick out Ivankike, too.

I think any intelligent user here isn't very surprised that Trump is backing down from his promise of a wall. I think those same anons also know democracy isn't gonna be what fixes what is ruining the country.

your a bootlicking retard who will approve everything trump does as he fuck you in the ass

Exactly this.

There's a reason why I don't feel ashamed for having supported Trump, and don't think too poorly on any on Holla Forums who still do.

James Mason, the author of SIEGE, and a veteran of the first generation of white nationalism (he ran away to join Rockwell and the ANP when he was just 16), recently started writing again, thanks to encouragement from some NS guys, wrote an article entitled "Trump". In it, he had this to say.


Even the man who quite literally wrote the book on how we will never win through the System and how our only choice is to tear it down, a man jaded by fifty years of failure, still felt inspired by Trump. He goes on to talk about how we still must not be fooled, as Trump is ultimately compromised, but he is still an inspiring figure, quenching yet dirty water for a white populace thirsting for real, strong leadership.

If you'd actually read my points you would see that I am the opposite of that. I personally fall on the side of those who believe that Trump is compromised, but I still recognize the shilling going on.

I'd like to see Trump hold another rally if he signs a DACA bill granting amnesty. That would be hilarious. People will be losing their shit screaming at him and the Trump bots will be attacking them.

If nothing else, Trump has shown that voting in these rigged elections is completely pointless. No matter who wins: the ZOG carries on.

user… you forget how many republicucks will love him for granting amnesty.
Everyone who wanted Cruz will love him still. Every republican who loves his cult of personality more than his policies will still suck his dick.

Aaaand you failed.

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Even my spell check see's the error.
Fervently wanting DACA to be replaced.
Not activating the National Gaurd per ICE recommendations for mass deportation.
Still wanting foreign aid to kikehive yet cut all others, yet public polls don't even support israel anymore due to their own failure to accept the 2-state solution.
The list goes on and on.
Really got his white nationalism priorities straight.


Meh, even mods are in on this cancer. Got perma banned during election. It's always the same mental gymnastics and consensus cracking.


This. Third Position! It's a game, a controlled game of theater.

I figured out the mods were in on it when I posted a Trump infographic about the wall and was banned.
I hopped on a VPN and started being obnoxiously pro-Trump and even ruining threads with pro-Trump shilling and no matter how obnoxious or disruptive I was, I never got banned.
Pro-Trump shills = good
Honest criticism of Trump = banned
Mods must be sleeping right now.

You may be right. My gut says that, if I was seeing rumblings of discontent and fear on T_D before their mods managed to censor them, that means that even the almost literal cultists are starting to get worried, but I could be wrong. I might just be seeing what I want to see.

You know what? When I typed it in all caps, "SIEG" looked wrong and "SEIG" looked right, and "HAIL VICTORY" looked gay. I should have double-checked on that point, but it's too late now. I also don't use Jewgle Chrome, so I don't have a spellchecker in my browser.

Nice concern Trolling OP, the way you guys talk it's obvious you're all familiar with each other.

In German, the second vowel in those situations are the ones that are pronounced.
>heIl
etc.

You could've bolded it instead of italicizing it

It's true. Probably should have but I wasn't thinking about it.

Shills have no influence.
Trump was the best choice and remains the best. I support him 120% as I did during the election.
Is he perfect? No. But I didn't expect him to be. He is the best thing that happened to the world in a long time.
Think what the world with killary would look like

Well the only regret for voting might be jury duty.

Kill yourself, retard.

You might as well have started this "fellow white people"

yeah, let's do that
i have no intention to mewl and beg Trump to do whatever
I'd much rather be focused on things within my grasp
I try not to care about things outside of my control
have a nice day everyone

nice strawman

Shills patrol this thread, with one liners they always try to derail anything credible.
The ones who turn aggressive for no reason, should be just ignored.

Spot the alt-left.

KYS

Reminder that this is an anti-nu/pol/ board

Really makes you think.

Reminder that this is an anti-nu/pol/ board

not an argument

You have to go back.

Except we've been here since the First and Second Exodus and you came here straight from reddit. Go back to your shithole, you fucking rapefugee.

Fuck off. Anyone worth a shit knows what you are, you filth. Being a bitch of the kike is easier, but much less fulfilling…..

DAILY REMINDER
SHILLS FEAR THE SMUG
SHILLS ARE BAD AT PLAYING CHESS

very good

Trump was, and still is, the wedge beneath our sledgehammer. He's splitting the political system apart so that we can fill the gap. As long as he keeps cleaving people from the decaying log that is the current system, I'll stay on board.

$.05 for your post kike

Trump was, and still is, the wedge beneath our sledgehammer. He's splitting the political system apart so that we can fill the gap. As long as he keeps cleaving people from the decaying log that is the current system, I'll stay on board.

so you dont really support trump

but how would we fill the gap? Are we going into politics?
perhaps after a grand purge in the USA, with a one in a million chance one of us is at the top instead of some wealthy person, group or their pawn
meh it all doesn't really matter
just remember to have a bunch of kids and set them up properly so we can keep this shellgame we call life going in the right direction

Look, I'm not trying to be mean, but you sound like a faggot.
I'm only going to tell you this once.
WE ONLY SUPPORT TRUMP IF HE CONTINUES TO SUPPORT THE THINGS WE WANT
Trump is a tool and a stepping stone. He isn't the endgame and never was. If he backs off the common ideals he has with white nationalism, we no longer support him. It's that simple.
If he cucks on amnesty or the wall or NAFTA or the things we elected him to do, then why the fuck would we support him? If he's no good to us, then we move on. This isn't about one guy being president. It's about preventing the extermination of our race.
This is the last time I'm going to explain it nicely to (((you people))).

There were always legitimate anti-Trump posters, but there have always been things like blackpilled anons too. If they are ignorant of how they get played by the legitimate shills and trolls, they aren't really worth considering. I noticed several realize this throughout the election, deciding to take a break, soften on Trump, or just stay out of those threads.

There have always been morons who buy fully into the pro Trump stuff too, but most of the Trump memes and energy came from people more like me, who recognized that the memes and the hype were more important than the man himself. Have some of you so quickly forgotten to meme the next Hitler? Trump was never going to be it, just a stepping stone in the right direction on the path.

Now that the election is over, there is room for discussion of Trump without it really hurting things. He won, Shillary lost, things turned out for the best, as far as elections go. That doesn't mean the current discussions have been much good though.

Between legit anti Trump people being butthurt or pulling defeatism or I told you so, along with the legion of trolls and shills who do still pop up, along with most pro Trump people either being refugee/invaders from T_D who will never stop sucking his or jews cocks or regular Holla Forumsack who are largely just waiting to see how the good versus the bad of Trump's administration shakes out, no valuable discussion of Trump's successes, failures, or our related strategies going forward are actually happening. Doesn't matter too much though, that ship is largely on autopilot, although I do think we could leverage our meme efforts better.

For me the bottom line is that with a few things like the TPP, Trump has already left us off better than we would have been with Hillary. Tensions continue to mount, so even from an accelerationism perspective I think we're doing alright. Hopefully Trump actually pulls some kind of stomach least 2D chess out of his ass and the wall actually eventually gets built, because unless it's at least begun actual proper construction by the time of the next generation election, I certainly won't be memeing or voting for him again.

But as long as he ends his first term eventually having fulfilled some of the most important promises and has done more good than harm, I've got no major issue with the man. Certainly the best president we've had in my lifetime, not that that's saying much. The first real president since who, Nixon?

Yeah, there's a lot to be mad about Trump on, but no valuable discussion is being had on the issue anyways one way or another, so whatever. Once there is something we really have to talk about, either pro or anti Trump, we'll come together and parse through the trolls, shills, retards and defeatist to actually discuss something useful.

For now, berate Trump or defend him or ignore the threads, but none of it is doing much.

Like a little insect, you buzz wildly.

You're still projecting loudly

the time for attempting to absolve ourselves of responsibility by externalizing our salvation to controlled opposition is over. do you want to exist as a cuck knowing you did nothing but type words on a computer screen as the destruction of everything beautiful took place, or do you want to resist and probably die? thats your choice to make but quit living a delusion. those are your 2 options because nobody is going to save you without sacrifice on your part first. the deathly fight is coming. (((they))) know that the trump character has failed in its mission to implant the god emperor meme on us as dogmatically true. the crackdown will begin before we spread more.

Isnt this supposed to be a pro-Trump civic nationalist board? I found out about Holla Forums from watching Styxhexxenhammer666.

the time for attempting to absolve ourselves of responsibility by externalizing our salvation to controlled opposition is over. do you want to exist as a cuck knowing you did nothing but type words on a computer screen as the destruction of everything beautiful took place, or do you want to resist and probably die? thats your choice to make but quit living a delusion. those are your 2 options because nobody is going to save you without sacrifice on your part first. the deathly fight is coming. (((they))) know that the trump character has failed in its mission to implant the god emperor meme on us as dogmatically true. the crackdown will begin before we spread more.