Made the mistake of watching tonights John Oliver

Holy shit. At least Bill Maher admitted that idpol was what won Trump the election but John Oliver basically said tonight that it was because this country is racist and sexist and homophobic.

He really is the cancer of modern media.


However, he did say one correct thing. We need to move away from liberal internet memes and subscribe to more active journalism like the washington post etc.

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I don't know what you expected from that guy tbh. Despite saying a lot of things he doesn't not have a very good brain. His arguments are really weak and unpersuasive to even a slightly skeptical person (it's funny liberals kept sending Oliver videos to Trump supporters kek)

Funny thing is, he told his followers not to do that tonight because it's counterproductive

TRUMP GOT LESS VOTES THAN MITT ROMNEY
We can't let liberals get away with this narrative.

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*fewer votes

so good

Bill Maher always had a "dude political correctness lmao" component tho. John Oliver is literally just parroting a very calculated rhetoric aimed to appeal to a certain audience.

Yep. Trump won because instead of educating and trying to be helpful to white working class voters, we demeaned them,called them hicks ( I myself was particularly guilty of this.) and treated them like scum of the earth. Most of them are only racist cause thats really the only thing they know and grew up with. They need our help and we let them down. Thats why they voted for Trump.

We called them racist and homophobic but we never explained to them why thats bad in the first place, we just called them deplorables. Imagine if you were an uneducated poor white person who thought something bad but didn't understand why it was bad and everyone hated you for it but because you didn't understand why it was bad you felt abandoned. It'd make you mad right? It'd certainly make me want revenge.

The stupidity is instrumental, it's necessary for TV, the fact that it is comedy that 80% of people should be able to understand only adds to this.

But this is wrong

This entire election was about the influence of alternative media and the decay of mainstream journalism.

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leftists just aren't funny

in the long run the liberals are really fucking you guys over.
now say it with me
BLESS THIS MESS GOD EMPEROR TRUMP

Zizek made some jokes in the perverts guide to ideolgy

At least you acknowledge this is counter-productive, which is enough. It's a lesson very few liberals took from this election.

the other liberal answer to "condem them" is "teach them" which is pleasant to their ears but…

there is a element of Trump support that comes from the fact that Trump might seriously, genuinely, be working in their best interests by putting tariffs on trade and deporting illegals. You have to begin convincing them that Your Guy is Their Guy.

You can do this fro Bernie, for example, but it's impossible to sell Hillary to them.

Basically this isn't just a war of rhetoric, love vs hate, or whatever, the left really needs to provide a real solution to their problems with real leftist solutions.

who's we? liberals?

Why alienate when we could educate and move them to our side?

don't be so salty

That's because leftists don't have where to go.

If you're a liberal comedian you have Comedy Central, SNL, Daily Show, most popular podcasts like Nerdist and pretty much the entire mainstream media as a possible career option. It's the standard choice.

If you're a right-wing comedian you can travel in the Anthony Cumia, Joe Rogan, Steve Crowder, Adam Carrolla milieu, and you have talk show radio. It's tougher, but if you're a strong stand-up and a good conversationist you can get by very well.

If you're a left-wing comedian, you just sit down and hope that Chapo Trap House or Nick Mullen's Cum Town continue to grow until they're able to provide you with an audience.

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:^)

Clickbait is garbage, but look at who owns the Washington Post and sets its agenda.

The establishment press these days is basically the same shit but with a modicum of fact-checking - they publish outright propagandists for both parties, they never met a war they didn't like.

Socialist newspapers or GTFO.

Yep. And I can understand why people pick up mockery and insult as a weapon. Once you debate the same topic again and again it can get very frustrating, and it can seem like a waste of time, so it's more satisfying to just avoid interaction and try to systematically discredit them as a group instead.

But we need to keep in mind that if we have a conversation, come off as polite and well-informed and then move on, we've left a seed that can, maybe years and years down the road, lead to results. Maybe the circumstances of that person's life will change, or maybe their worldview will, and they will retrospectively reevaluate everything you've said.

But if we have a conversation, come off as whiny and then start insulting them, mocking their lifestyle and making stereotypes, we've closed every possible route through which we could eventually converge. And worst of all, it can lead to resentment and push them even further away from you.

Liberals completely forgot about this, and leftists are unfortunately following their footsteps.

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END FASCISM TONITE

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I can bet you any amount of money that the tariffs aren't going to happen. Trump was elected leader of a party staunchly in favor of free trade and has a neoliberal vp. His personal views are almost irrelevant at this point. Policy will be formed by congress and the house controlled by yes, that's right, free trade supporting republicans. Why is this so hard for people to understand?

I agree. One of the worst arguments i've heard from an SJW is "it's not my job to educate you". This is a retarded thing to say. How do you expect to ever make progress if you tell people to educate themselves and dismiss them? They're going to think you're an asshole and vote for a reactionary just to spite you. it IS your job to educate people. Thats how you get more people on your side. Thats how you win.

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He may be a fascist, but this country isn't as tolerant of that shit as Germany was. What worries me is that trump is going to pass a fascist policy and whats going to happen is a fucking civil war with nuclear weapons.

well thank god the alt-right will never win over any liberals or leftists

Trump is not a fascist, he's an isolationist.

his isolationist fans think he's an isolationist and his interventionist fans think he's an interventionist. he's pandered to both. His advisers, cabinet, and congress will be jam packed with interventionists.

saying it's because the country is sexist is worse because it means you can't save the country and trump is an accurate representative of the us people.

idpol babies love living self-defeating prophecies of their own design over and over

How about neither? If you get your news anywhere but straight from Reuters (and yeah OK AP) you're a cuckmax. Fuck the opinion pieces.


Holy shit. This is the best way I've ever seen it described.

He really is a rich dude who can't think outside of his bubble.

Just a question. How was it idpol that lost dems the election? Very few people were alienated by that imo, they were mostly alienated by the fact that Hillary is a terrible candidate that offered them nothing. The only people that care about idpol on either side seem to me like the sort of people who always vote for the same party every election anyway.

I see, so what you're saying is we should get our news directly from the CIA?

Who's even surprised? John Oliver is an even bigger classcuck than the Stewart and Colbert he replaced. He's one of the only Clintonistas responding to this by doubling down on the idpol. I'd say more than half of them finally got the clue that it wasn't really connecting a whole lot with minorities and was alienating whites. It really says a lot that he's held up as one of the smartkiddos of the center when he's in the stupider third of Clinton supporters, which is already a bad sample. I think the only reason anyone takes him seriously is because he makes fun of people, has a TV show, an accent and glasses.

This is classic liberal shit. They're literally the only group still staunchly adhering to the


narrative. No idea is fair or credible to them if it's not linked to a lobbyist, a think-thank or a major news channel.

Just shows we all secretly wish for someone to blow our system up. RIP Usama.


On the hand I was expecting more quality salt from Ollie. On the other hand these TV personas are all rich people who don't actually care despite pretending to before the elections and have to maintain the continuity of their unfunny show.
Good salt comes from more amateurish people that are less sophisticated about pretending to believe their own bullshit. Like those amateur divas on youtube and twitter.

Alot of women were turned off by "I'm Hillary and you should vote for me because I have a vagina, and if you have a vagina too and don't vote for me you're betraying all vaginas everywhere."

Idpol, at least, failed them. High Hispanic and high female votes for trump that nobody looking through the lens of idpol was able to predict

Yeah, but it's not like any of these people abandoned the democratic party of the idpol. It's just that idpol has proven itself not very useful. But it's not like the dems lost mainly because they used it too much, if they had toned it down significantly - it still wouldn't have helped them. No woman would say, for example, "now that they're no longer saying I have to vote for HRC just because she's a woman I'm a lot more comfortable voting for her". HRC was just a shitty candidate, with or without idpol.

Idpol wasn't the cause but it did indeed accelerate the already existing alienation. It doesn't help to insult your potential voters by calling them racists and sexists when what they mainly want is better economic policies.

Then you might call the entire GOP fascist, which is ridiculous.

Holy shit, you're responding to pol/a newfag liberal.

I knew that, it's a decent argument though.

It's pretty facsist fam. All there polices boil down to "let's get as close to the slave days as we can"

But he got more votes in the states that mattered, he even got more votes than Obama in a lot of the key swing states like Ohio, NC, and Florida. He got less votes overall due to low Republican turnout in heavily blue states like CA, MD, and MA. Where he campaigned and where the election was fought he got way more votes than Romney, he was getting Reagan numbers in some parts of the country.

I should add to this, the big reason Republican turnout was down so hard in CA was that the senate race was D vs D, no Republican on the ballot. If he campaigned in CA he would have gotten way more votes than Romney overall, he outperformed Romney drastically just about everywhere else.

there's only so much room in the platform you push to the average voter

even if the idpol didn't push away voters, it didn't attract them. Cut out the idpol and focus on things average americans care about more (eg. jobs) and hillary probably wins imo

I honestly want to kill this rat now. I know he's probably just stupid, but he's still an agent of the bourgeoisie.

He has literally no reason to because of the electoral college though.

I think we broke Current Year Guy

Can this meme just end already? No one gives a fuck about pol's reverse idpol, they voted for Trump because Hilary was fucking shit youtube.com/watch?v=as-HI6bueqY

lelwot?

I don't think you understand how advantageous a trump president is. In the face of a "civilized" end of history, you have to construct the enemy before fighting against it. It was either a) provoke a reactance in the rural, uneducated white population or b) accept that there will never, ever be a revolution, and that 1/9 black men will remain in prison from now until eternity.

This is your chance to organize, and it shows that the obnoxious, machiavellian "SJW's" had actually had the right idea all along. They were provocateurs, accelerationists even. Brilliance.

That only counts total votes. It ignores turnouts by state. Trump was doing Reagan numbers in some states - the ones that count according to the electoral college. He may not have been playing 4-D chess but he was strategic in how he campaigned.

Oliver was pretty good when he hosted "The Bugle" but he represents the evolution of the troll face.

It's really all about the negroes for you all, isn't it? What's so great about them that you'll destroy your country over it? They an 85 Autism Level menace, that's why they're there.

That's our Holla Forums!

Hitler used to say "daddy" to the banking system that cucked germany, he just put out the rest of the international system out of it to reduce the damage.

Being fascist is to literally give power to a government to cuck your production and rule over you with stupid rules for no reason (like the positivist bullshit of Germany Third Reich).

But well, it's "pretty cool" right?

Because crime have reasons, if too much members of a X group commit a crime, we need to find out why and cure the social disease.

Not to say the "Rubin "Hurricane" Carter"'s cases produced on USA every year that is, indeed, social diseases.

Maybe the social disease is a biological one. Maybe they're just genetically more prone to antisocial behavior.

Welp that's good enough for me! Pack it up boys. This Holla Forumsyp has solved it! Because >Maybe there's a biological factor, there's no point in investigating environmental factors, so we're better off just exterminating the niggers.

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This is a big issue for you?

Holla Forums truly are the biggest boot lickers

Yes, black people are mostly incarcerated for political crimes, for political reasons. lmao

Not to mention the ppl in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan who tipped it for trump voted for Obama on 2012

The majority of prison sentences are over illegal use of drugs, fam, even violent offenders are usually repeat felons that were turned into hardened criminals in the big house.

This also applies to white criminals, actually; the feds love to prey on poor heroin users. Way to shit on your own people.

What criminals? Bush, Obama, Hillary among others are still free people.

Not to mention that 99% of the violence related to drugs would vanish if they were legal.

More so in a way, since white vs black drug use is at least in the same ball park. Sadly laws against rape and murder still have disparate impact.


False dilemma there

Why haven't people cut their cords yet?

I hope all the media outlets go bankrupt

Jon Oliver and Bill Maher are on HBO. They do the Netflix model now, in addition to premium cable.

The Guardian is right now begging you to donate to them for their "independent" journalism. Too bad they have no fund to help them painlessly shut down.

Good luck fucking studying it from a non-environmental point of view in 2016.

lol newspapers are the first to go. News channels will be next.

top fucking kek

Hillary Clinton got fewer votes than Obama because America hates black people. I talked to some rural relatives about both, and they said
Sure, people like the occasional outsider to mix things up, but Hillary, or as she refers to herself, H-dawg, is just too cold-hearted for most people due to her ghetto life, and when you bring up moments from that life, normal people just can't relate. Like that time when she did that illegal rap concert in a Palestinian underground disco during an Israeli airstrike, and when her lesbian lover of seven years was killed during that, she just shrugged and said

what

Imagine you're a condescending asshole with literal xenophobia. Then you suddenly realize this strange, fearsome, alien folk you call hicks holds actual power in the voting booth, and you have to start considering what they think and need. But you don't understand how to be a genuinely considerate person, so the only thing you can think of is politely explaining to them how bad and disgusting they are and how they should become like you instead so everyone can be happy.

Man, that would totally suck.

idpol didn't win trump anything

economic, the threat of nuclear war, and a broken electoral system did

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das it mane

nah

More of this reiterated that's just the media convincing itself it isn't wrong. The number of votes are not relevant after a certain point, it's where they're located that matters.

Trump won over several states that haven't turned red since the 1980s.

Republicans now control the Senate, House and Presidency.

They may end up swinging the Supreme Court as well.

They need to win only a couple of states in the 2018 Midterm elections to be able to make Constitutional Amendments with no input whatsoever from the Democrats.

Democrats are already working towards a 2020 loss by doubling down on their most egregious bullshit.

And you know why that happened? Because Democrats decided to run the worst candidate possible.

I can't even fathom how they thought Hillary would ever carry a state like Ohio or Pennsylvania with her record. It was pure folly.