Opinions of Sir Oswald Mosley on Hitler

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I like Mosley and his policies, but he was sure stupid at times.

What a fool. If you leave jews alive just because some of them are behaving properly at the time, they will continue to breed long after you are dead and will continue to do as they have been doing forever. Their behavior is genetic. You could take away all of their religious texts. You could remove all of their symbolism. You could completely smash their entire identity and each one of them would do as they currently do on an individual level.

This is not so. You are reducing the mind of man, which is immortal and immaterial, to the baseness of matter and genetics. Every man has a soul and freedom of will. That is the essence of what it is to be a man. Clearly there are general differences between nations just as there are between men, but those are not intrinsic but a product of their freedom of will, hence there will always be exceptions to the general rule.

what did you expect from the eternal anglo?
op is a fag

His son ruined F1 so he will always be my enemy.

Last quote ends in Mosley naming the Jew. Let's also not forget that Hitler attended Mosley's second wedding.

I think we'd find Mosley much more receptive of Der Furher pre-war. We must keep in mind that Mosley was a nationalist, and Hitler's Germany did kill many of his countrymen. Combine that with Mosley's previous imprisonment and subsequent surveillance upon release by the British government and it may have been in his interest to go lock-step with post-war sentiments.

It's always funny seeing Oswald fans in comments online (YT for example) shit talking NatSoc because it makes them look bad and PR cuck for kikes. I like his views and speeches about globalism and all, but in the end who is at the root of all of the back door dealings and think tanks that influence world finance? He did want non-whits to be back in their countries though.

The sad thing is you can go on and on about how muh based jews can be left alone, but like the T-1000 in Terminator 2, they always regroup and leverage their influence, whether in your country or as seen prior to WWII, in other world financial capitals. It's never a bad thing to learn lessons from history and make corrections to mistakes of the past.

It's still good to read and listen into him along with the other fascist movements to get a balance and understanding how each country viewed it's issues while say still remaining a Nationalist Socialist. Another example would be looking into Corneliu Zelea Codreanu and what he went through even though you may not be invested in his brand of Romanian Orthodoxy fascism.

"There can be no racism while running a multicultural empire"

Lolcuck.

Dont use shitskinned martial races. Restrict the possession of modern firearms, and treat every uprising as seriously as you treated the Boer Wars, and use naked violence and seas of blood to enforce your will.

Let me guess, you also believe that it's fine as long as they integrate?

I do. Do you find fault with Alexandre Dumas, for example? The Frenchmen of his generation certainly did not.

Integration can only take place on a very small scale, of course, and the only way to preserve the essential character of the nation is to retain the indigenous people in the majority. A man, says Enoch Powell, should be "conscious of the differences between men and nations," but neither should he "despise a human being because he belongs to another race, or believe that one race is inherently superior to another."

Nations, like men, rise or fall by their virtues or vices, not by their hereditary traits. In exactly the same way as it is among them they choose their own greatness, or their own destruction.

"Race! It is a feeling, not a reality: ninety-five percent, at least, is a feeling. Nothing will ever make me believe that biologically pure races can be shown to exist today. … National pride has no need of the delirium of race." - Benito Mussolini

You obviously do not belong here. Lurk for two years before posting, faggot.

Dubs of Truth!

You are talking to somebody who has been a part of Holla Forums since it was /new/ and on 4chan since 2007. The only two viable intellectual positions in the world are not either "Hitler did nothing wrong" or "Open the borders and institute Communism."

Oh, so you are a kike. My mistake.

A pure-blooded Englishman.

A pure blooded Englishman who thinks kikes and shitskins have already won and we need to accept them and push them into our own image? One who has been lurking for Holla Forums or proto-Holla Forumss for a decade. Bullshit. You are a kike or part of a "clever" raid/salt-left shitpost.

You are denying science, history, group dynamics, aggressive nepotism, eternal blood libel, etc. Bullshit you are a Holla Forumsack, you fucking hook-nosed bastard.

I hold exactly the same views as did Enoch Powell. I would halt all immigration immediately and institute a scheme of voluntary repatriation. I desire to see England returned to being at least a ninety-five percent English country. That does not mean that I have to despise everybody here who does not happen to be white. I can recognize, with Sir Oswald Mosley, Jewish power and influence, and understand Jewish ethnocentrism, but that does not mean that I have to despise every single Jew, or call for inhumane treatment towards Jews.

Do you deny the existence of the soul in man? Of the freedom of the will? Is a man anything more to you than a mere machine? God may have separated the nations according to the general characteristics of the men living in them, but that does not mean that they are any less human or without the ability to choose their own destiny.

pol needs get over the cult of personality of Hitler
fucker made the stupidest decisions at the late stage of war

C'mon Benito, I know you were named after a Oaxacan indio and all White people are bit iffy about dark-skinned Sicilians, but c'mon you can argue better than that.

8ch.net/pol/res/10492151.html#10492265

thinking behavior is not genetic is backwards
thinking your brain and genes are not what cause your will to be a particular way is entirely delusional

you arent a blank slate
thats literally not how it works
get educated

A typical example on the difference between NatSoc and fascism. Mosley simply cared for the british state and it's extensions.

And? This only improves my opinion of him.

Racialist nationalism is cancer.

In all seriousness, you are right, however, about Hitler fucking up big time at the end of WWII. I still admire him, though, for attempting to dispose of the Jew. The only thing we can do now is move forward and learn from the mistakes of our ancestors.

>(((/brit/))) will defend this

If anyone watched his interview on the Frost Report he announced there that he offered to fight for Britain in WW2, but thought the war itself was stupid. Not really a surprise he said that if you looked into what he stood for.

This, fascism is worthless veneration of a legal construct. This is statism at it's worst for all you ex lolbergs. The true path recognizes that the state exists solely for the people rather than vice versa. Volkish nationalism >> fascism. The British state could be destroyed but the people can rebuild it. If the British people are destroyed, then your state is simply a bunch of forgotten documents and papers.

This, mosely > hitler

look at the hook nose on that nigger.
mosley was a fucking kike you dumbfucks.

so were most of the SS.

including adolfus heidler.

Stealth /brit-pol/ thread, please napalm.

Poles, Greeks, and Italians had an average IQ in the 80s and 70s when they first entered America in the '20s. That is comparable with that of sub-Saharan Africans today.

The mixed-race children born to German women at the close of World War Two had IQs identical with those of the native population.

nytimes.com/1977/03/27/archives/new-light-on-black-iq.html?mcubz=0

Materialism is not the truth simply because you wish it to be so. Man self-evidently has a soul. That is the opinion of the best and wisest men in the West going all the way back to the ancient Greeks. Biological racialism is a philosophy that reduces man to the level of the beasts.

lol, no kike.

Fuck these shills.

He said multi-racialism was extremely bad. Along the lines of you can not have the mixup of people who are different in race, culture and belive it only leads to trouble. He said we can live in peace with them but only in separate ethnicity nations.

On the contrary, Mosley was absolutely against immigration into Britain.

The distinction between him or Enoch Powell and Hitler is simply a matter of the question of racialism. They accepted the truth that there are differences between population groups, and so that the importation of an alien population necessarily brings strife and conflict, but they would not despise a human being simply because he was such-and-such, and they were willing to make exceptions wherever they found them. Hence why Mosley said that he would take a black or Jewish man into his cabinet if he were first-rate.

This is bait.

No. He wanted the races separated to thier own nation's and had no problem in those nations working together if it was beneficial.

Free will and the soul of man are illusions. Free will doesn't exist, you're just reacting to stimuli in the way your brain is wired to react. This is your "decision" which could not happen any other way assuming identical brain wiring and conditions. Jews are genetically biased in favor of parasitic wiring. Some undoubtedly aren't, simply by the law of exceptions, but no group takes on the characteristics of its exceptions. The children of "good" Jews will likely be evil, because the seed of the deceiver is in their hearts. Their blood is tainted and they must all die.

Making exceptions for good people is how we got into this mess in the first place. This is immoral because it hurts the nation in the long run - their children probably won't be as good but you can't deport them at that point. So you import another "based" shitskin ally and then their children add to the growing problem. Also you're stealing the intelligent and capable individuals from their native societies which wreaks havoc in the long run. Look at India. All their successful people move to the West, leaving the mediocre to try to corrall the hordes of retards.

After being jailed for not supporting the war, what else is he to do without losing anymore credibility? Let's not forget that he was still organizing even after the BuF, so he couldn't risk it. Even then, when asked about the Jews, he always said that Jews should not take Jewry over the nation and said that Jews played a big part in causing the war. He was pragmatic, and perhaps gun-shy. Instead of calling out the Jew, he would attack "International Finance". Would could mean the Jews or anything else with all the flexibility you could want. He also based himself around Mussolini who was not an anti Semite initially.

Aside from the grandstanding, well done. Not often I see men of character. I expect to see you on the world stage in the next few years, englishman.

I do not at all agree with you, but I respect your intellectual consistency. The materialist, if he is honest with himself, becomes either a National Socialist or a Communist: as he takes the soul out of consideration, he must believe, as a consequence of that principle, that you can breed a better man, and hence a better society, only either by improving genes, or improving the environment. The National Socialist elects to believe in genes, the Communist, environment.

To the believer in the soul and freedom of will, both are futile methods of making a better person, because if those principles be true then we alone can make ourselves better. Hence why so many Minarchists and Libertarians are religious.

The West almost unanimously believed in the soul from the time of the ancient Greeks until about the twentieth-century. That, I believe, is why both National Socialism and Communism are both of them modern phenomena. You will observe otherwise that, no matter how far back you go, people were always willing to make exceptions for men of other races. They did not have a totally fanatic obsession with purity of the blood. The Athenians offered citizenship to Zeno, the founder of Stoicism, and a Phoenician. Julius Caesar and Octavian adopted Juba II, the North African Numidian, and brought him up as one of their own; he later married Cleopatra, a Greek woman. A mixed-race Moor ruled over Florence from 1510 to 1537: Alessandro de Medici, also known as Il Moro. Shakespeare saw nothing wrong in having his hero Othello marry a white woman and be of a noble character. In the 18th century, Dr Samuel Johnson gave a substantial sum of money in his will to his black servant, Francis Barber, who had married a white woman in his life time, so that he evidently saw nothing wrong in this. And one might go on and on. The point is that Mosley and Powell stand in this tradition rather than in the 20th century absolutist racialist one. The Athenians, Romans, Florentines, English etc. would not have accepted substantial alien immigration in those days, and they were warm patriots: but they were nevertheless willing to make exceptions, because they believed in the soul. That is the most important thing dividing the past from the modern spirit.

I find the soul to be by far the more plausible way to account for the phenomena we see in the world, because nations have ever risen and fallen in history according as their populations have been virtuous or vicious: this is what happened to the Egyptians, the Greeks, the Romans, and it is what is happening to us also now in our present state of moral degeneracy. There never has been a consistent "Master Race." Nor has there ever been a consistent Aristocracy. The class of men in power has risen or fallen constantly in history. Of the twenty-five barons selected to enforce the observance of Magna Carta, there was not by the Victorian Age a single male descendant in the House of Lords. Most great men have been of a humble origin. So, I simply cannot and will not convince myself to adhere to a simple genetic racialist ideology.

So fucking what Mr.
and done OP?

Niggers and shitskins don't give one iota of a fuck about anything you just espoused, you stupid arrogant cunt. One nigger in ten thousand perhaps has enough intelligence to read what you wrote. One in one hundred thousand may also be smart enough to not only read it but also fully comprehend the sentiments behind it. One in one million may read, fully comprehend and subsequently agree with you.

Your highfalutin ideas amount to utter dog shit in the world that the kikes envision and plan for. A world where sub-80 IQ niggers and shitskins are ruled over by an Asian-kike hybrid aristocracy and the white man is completely extinct. Fuck off back to reddit, you useless idealist, you weak willed nigger fodder. This is a place for men who wish for their race to survive and have the will to do whatever it takes to ensure that it does.

We got some damn fine nigger cattle. Esoteric Techno-Fascism IS the higher path of the future. When you realize you've been the best useful idiots around, it will be too late. You lap up Hitler's political front without ever finding his true mission because you think you're hot shit. The inferior are the ones who cry "kike shill" drooling at the mouth with the genes they hate. If you know the truth, there's no need to be upset. You know nothing of The Frog God. You know nothing of the Sun. You can't handle the truth.

The usual civnat lolberg talking points. One does not just will himself to be who he is, that's not how anything works. Stop denying the very ground you stand on.

I really urge you to read instead of copypasting platitudes. Thanks newfriend.

With the same breath in which you deride materialism, you espouse the materialistic blank slate worldview of Locke and other empiricists. There is no dichotomy between soul and body as your dreary Anglo-Saxon mindset imagines it. Neither soul nor body can stand on its own. Just as you said, no race can survive without a virtuous spirit to hold it together, but neither can a soul stand by itself in the agony of racial ambiguity, without the ancestral blood in his veins to guide him. You do not start perceiving and acting on the world from nothing; you must first be rooted on a solid ground before you can stand, stand on the shoulders of giants if you will. What soul can a man have without a race, without anything external to and greater than himself that he can belong and be devoted to?

This is literally what the great psychoanalyst (((Freud))) said too

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Who gives a shit? Hitler and Mosley were both men who wanted the best for their countries.

He would probably think different now, Hitler showed us the path.

Hitler made mistakes, and Mosley's understanding of the war would be near 100% based on media propaganda. The internet had not then taken off. Too many people here almost religiously worship Hitler - that's stupid. Had Hitler made an arrangement with Britain, who were very sympathetic to the German plight after the French had murdered a hundred or so of them in the Rurh and the Americans had continued to extort them (just as the Americans were extorting the British). Hitler made a mistake by not strengthening ties with Britain and procuring a deal before the war - Britain was concerned about the future of the Empire and had worries about their economic power. Its possible these could not be addressed by Hitler, but he should have at least tried before treading down the war path. I'm well aware that his invasion of Poland is not quite as it has been portrayed - but he had pushed out and taken more 'lebensraum' in several areas. Whether justifiably or not - he knew world media was portraying every other leader in the world as 'appeasing' him, and him as a conqueror. They were building him up as a force that needed to be stopped - and he did not take pre-emptive action to secure the British.

That said the civcuck here is deluded. I too am an Englishman, and I mirror your sentiments that there are good blacks, Indians and Chinese out there. Jews less so because it is a religion that has as its primary 'virtues'; deception, manipulation, extortion, cunning and hate. For the rest - there are good amongst them. Where I would differ from you is in the fact that I am well aware that, even if this generation is fine - their children may well not be, and they may lead the fight against the British. If not their children, their children's children. Powell and Mosley weren't to know this, but we today have seen many people who's parents and grandparents were grateful and loving of Britain, and who today instead are hateful and demonise the empower that their ancestor's so loved. That is why we should not let any 'other' live among us, for they will never be us - and whether it is them, their children or their children's children - they will eventually be a thorn in our side, an enemy to be dealt with.

Ponsonby's "Falsehood in War-time" belies that. People knew more about how they were being lied to back then than you think.

All you've done with your thousands of words is prove you've never read Mein Kampf.

Literally nobody has ever attacked jews for being jews. Claiming otherwise - like Mosley for whom I just lost all respect I might have had does - is the exact same bullshit as nigs claiming that they are being hated for the color of their skin.

Bull. Fucking. Shit.

Nobody hates jews for being jews. Nobody hates niggers for the color of their skin. Jews and niggers are being hated for their absolutely unbearable behavior. If they did not behave the way they always do, nobody would hate them.

Btw it's always fascinating how shills unravel themselves. It always starts with something factually wrong but superficially benign such as "Between a man whose impatience gave rise to catastrophic World War that led to the deaths of tens of millions, and one who did nothing but agitate for peace in order to prevent that war, I know which one I would choose." and ends with hbd denial and shilling for niggers .

Same old, same old.

Its pretty clear that he was making your exact point. He was saying that its not because they are jewish that he opposes them, but because of the actions of some of them. Now he probably extended this to the vast majority if not all - but for the purposes of PR would show that they were not 'racist' due to someone being 'born that way', they were 'racist' because these people committed vile acts.

I can give him the benefit of the doubt. And I wouldn't mind a future Natsoc UK using his symbols, even if it's policies would instead have to copy Germany

So you would choose Hitler?

Nope, Mosley claimed that "anti semitism" is hating jews for being jews which is complete bullshit and literally repeating an old and tired jew narrative.

A lie. He doesn't oppose them. He opposes some of them, he says so himself.

I always put myself in their position. If I was reaching out to the public, the overwhelming majority of which will never support Hitler (the war was fresh in people's minds, many had lost husbands, fathers and brothers); and I knew they already had a certain perspective due to media manipulation - then I would try to make it 'acceptable' to criticise the Jews in their mind.

I guess you might be right, I cannot ask him what he truly thought as he's dead and gone, but judging from the myriad speeches and writings of his - it seems to me that he was trying to push this angle. It's important that you get your message across to people in a way that they can relate to - and it would bode well if you mark yourself out as something different to the faction that so recently killed their family members. He manages to make the argument that jews have done damage to Europe without resorting to sympathising with the Nazis (which I know you don't care about but Brits back then would have) and that it is okay to oppose them, and that they should be criticised for what they have done, and their claims examined.

Which is called "being a cuck."

So when forced to choose between a man who actually achieved his dreams but had them sabotaged and destroyed by outside sources, and a man who never lived to see his nation free at all because he was too busy making excuses for niggers and Jews and "waiting for the right momement," you'd choose the cuck who never got anything he wanted?

Get educated faggot. Hitler bent over backwards to appease the haughty Brits. All issues were addressed and the deals offered extremely favorable. They chose war and suicide instead.

Dude, there's just a point in time where you have to stop with the wishful thinking and BS and start judging people by their own words and actions. Their own words and actions, not your hopes and wishes.

Mosley has repeatedly denied being against jews and has acted against those who were. He's not /ourguy/. End of.

tell us something we don't know
there are no good jews

Reported for being a civic nationalist.

So this thread was created merely for this guy to repeat the same arguments. And remember, kids, sage.

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Hitler's early war is why Mosley didn't get elected and why Britain never became Fascist. Hitler's early war is why he didn't get a relationship with Britain. Hitler did many good things but this idea that he was perfect is retarded. He made mistakes - perhaps those were not mistakes, perhaps he never could have got terms with Britain and perhaps no matter what he did they would eventually lose the war - however the fact he didn't attempt some of these things is concerning.

Many people say Hitler had to 'rush' because Russia was building up - potentially true, but the US at this stage hated Britain more than Germany and if its hand had not been forced could have ended up on Hitler's side. Equally Italy was building up their power, and Germany too. Hitler's knew that every move he made was being presented to the rest of the world as the moves of a conqueror, and the inaction of other national leaders as cowardly appeasement.

Yes, the Poles deserved to be fucked for what they did in Danzig. Yes, Hitler's initial plan to democratically fix the issue was a thing of political beauty. Yes, the Poles were fucking aresholes for shitting all over it. But no, it was not the correct move to invade after they rejected him. If Hitler didn't see that the whole thing would be used as a trap and justification for a war - then he made a mistake. If he did see it and thought he could win - he made a mistake.

Hitler is undoubtedly the good guy in all of this, and he played it remarkably well all things considered. He did make mistakes though.

Mosley and his blackshirts literally beat the snot out of communists and jews, specifically jews, across London. They were so popular and successful that the British government banned their uniforms (a ban that exists to this day - though its not imposed on any group aside from 'fascists') and they even imprisoned him in 1940.

When are you leaving?

Was this thread made by the same British chauvinist on cuckchan who's recently appeared crying about how Britain gives Europe peace but nasty Prussia/Germany has to ruin it all. If so I advise everyone to look out for these talking points to identify him.

We've literally being having threads about how one random guy with a nazi flag supposedly destroyed the future of white nationalism.
If anything the taboo around praising hitler was even stronger during the 60s and 70s in Britain than it is now.
Why are the mods allowing this shit to stay up?
It has no new info.

Careful bub I got a global permaban for making similar comments.

Antisemitism was normal and healthy before Hitler ruined it for everyone. Will probably get b& for this.

shit bait

*been

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Reported, enjoy ban.

How can you have seen beyond the materialist paradigm and yet failed to see that race is also a spiritual trait? Men are born as Europoids due to nobility of spirit, and by the same measure the subhumans are born as Negroids or Semites due to their primitive and evil spirits.

The material is not meaningless, it is a reflection of the greater reality.

Another Englishman who is a cucked? Well this is just fucking great. This country is dead.

I've only ever seen kikes hate/fear nature like you do. You're no Englishman, you filthy kike.

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Mosley was right on many fronts.
But on the subject of Jews he was a victim of principle.
He believed in the individual and freedom of the individual. He wanted to believe the individual jew could behave like a human.

These days we know better.

That being said his answer to the problem of outsourced labour is one that needs to be adopted.

Of course the eternal Anglo can't even do fascism right. Never liked Mosley myself.

Nobody's perfect.

Germany lost the war because of treason. There was so much treason, it'll boggle your mind when you research it. If those traitors would have implemented everything what Hitler planned, Germany would've won the war.

Very interesting video. The last 5-10 minutes about the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact were especially interesting.

So basically he was a cucked faggot. Fuck him and his philo-semitic multiracial empire

There's nothing more arrogant than saying "I know better".

No user. We don't. We never know better.
We know more than yesterday, but never assume that what you know now is better than yesterday.
That's how Dogma and taboo appears.

Not saying you're wrong, just saying that that kind of reasoning is dangerous to yourself.

True the phrasing is potentially dangerous.
But then we do know better. We do know the jews can never be trusted or tolerated.

To put it simply the needs and problems that Britain faced were different to Germany.
We faced declining industry in Britain due to British workers having to compete with near slave labour in the colonies.
As such Mosley advocated for what could be called fair trade policies today.
Mainly that two workers doing the same job should get the same pay and work in the same conditions no matter where they were in the Empire.

He envisioned an almost entirely self contained and self sufficient Imperial market. Where the British Empire didn't need anyone and could be insulated from the boom/bust cycle of inferior economies.

That's exactly what we need. A dogma of kikes being inherently evil and a taboo of liking them.

This. It depends entirely on the parents. A child's body will attract a spirit that is similar to the parents' "frequency", if you want to call it that. Mixed children attrack lesser devloped spirits.

The ban on uniformed rallies also killed off the Kibbo-Kift, who were "hippies" in the 20's and became a political movement called the Greenshirts in the 30's. I know they supported UBI (they called it Social Credit) and environmentalism, but I don't know much else about them.

I'm guessing he didn't want to expel non-whites from British territory because that territory included non-white homelands. I really doubt he'd be impressed by the state of Britain today. The Empire wasn't supposed to be invited in.

(checked). The Japanese wanted a racial equality clause in the charter of the League of Nations, presumably for the sole purpose of equating the Yamato people to the White, but the "Brits" voted against it because it would mean giving representation alongside taxation to niggers and pajeets… though I think actually Britain and other self-governing White colonies of the Empire abstained, only Australia actually voted against it. But it had to be unanimous and didn't pass.
…and thus the non-white Japanese, erm, sided with Hitler instead of Britain.

No. Dogma is the surrender of control of your own mind and though process.
It's alluring to dumb and simple people: it removes the burden of thinking for themselves.
Any man who deems himself rational and intelligent should rise above such things.

Differences between cultures are mostly invention but many aspects are directly related to genetics.

Most people who call something Dogma are simply stupid. Most of what the Third Reich did has a profound philosophical and esoteric background, which wasn't talked about in public. Complex things are not for the public because they don't care and won't bother to understand it when it requires more than 5 minutes of reading time. Propaganda for the public has to be easy. Have you read Theodor Fritsch's "Riddle of the Jew's Success"? If you have, then you should already know why Mosley was wrong.

I haven't read it.
It's also bad form to cite Author's and their works without quoting a relevant sentence.
Even if I had read it, you and I aren't the only people reading the thread.
Remember that lurkers outnumber actual posters 10 to 1.

I'm not arguing against that. Classifying something as Dogmatic isn't a simple process and it's often abused to simply avoid talking about things that make you unconfortable.
If a Prima believes in something and Secunda doesn't, Secunda will try to argue against. If his arguments fail, a common tactic is to simply declare Prima's believes "dogmatic", using the word as a negative or derisive comment to de-legitimize an argument that he can't attack.
Sometimes he's right and it's Dogma, sometimes he's not and simply was inept at argumentation.

Regardless, I'm talking about the general concept of Dogma which should be avoidable as often as possible.
Simply saying "the people are dumb, they wouldn't understand it" is selfish and reveals a lack of foresight. Dumb people today will be dumb people tomorrow unless you teach them. Unless you prevent dogma from forming.
A nation is only as strong as the weakest man living in it. You can shoot the man or educate him. Both will improve your nation, but education will give you an extra pair of helping hands.

That's exactly how the Jew infiltrates things, by subverting thoughts and tossing around words. "if you have dogmas you're stupid, only stupid people are against destroying them" is a classic Jewish tactic. That said, pretty sure you are a kike, reported.

I didn't say Dogmas are stupid.
I said people should understand WHY something is true rather than assuming it is so because it simply is.
Everything we know to be true is considered true because it was proved to be so.
This mindset allow us to explore, think and realize that something that was true yesterday is actually false.
Dogma in this case, acts like chains for your mind. It keeps you stuck in the past, and unable to accept new ideas.

You think this is the work of kikes?
Kikish Dogma: muh 6 million.
Why 6 million? Because 6 million. No justification is needed. We all know it to be true, so there's no need to discuss it, right?
N-no goyim, stop i-investigating, don't doubt (((us))).

The other side of the coin: most people lurking this place weren't NatSoc their whole life. Some were, I'll grant you that. But most grew up hearing that "anti-semitism is bad" and other (((universal thruths))).
Dogma. All of it. Created, woven and constructed to keep people from pearing the veil and finding out that the Mighty Wizard of Oz was a big nosed kike.

Dogmas have no innehrent logical value. Things aren't true because you or I say they are.
They are true because we can prove they are true.

Unless you also accept the dogmatic "all races are equal"? :^)

Hitler worshipers ruin this board. Here are some text sources of Mosley's views. How many of you really disagree with him?

I have challenged opponents who have searched through all my speeches and writings to quote one case in which I have attacked Jews on account of race or religion, and they have failed to do so because no such quotation exists.

oswaldmosley.com/question-what-is-your-attitude-to-the-jews/
oswaldmosley.com/question-do-you-condemn-anti-semitism/
oswaldmosley.com/question-what-is-your-attitude-to-israel/

oswaldmosley.com/an-outline-of-mosleys-ideas/
oswaldmosley.com/question-what-are-your-views-about-race/
oswaldmosley.com/question-would-things-not-be-more-peaceful-if-we-were-all-one-race/
oswaldmosley.com/question-do-you-think-some-races-are-superior-to-others/

oswaldmosley.com/cheap-labour/

Mosley was a cuck, who achieved nothing. Like some anons pointed out, Mosley was a bargain bin Hitler and controlled opposition.

He wasn't controlled opposition.
He was a decent man and a very British fascist. But woefully naive on the jewish question

He did more than everyone in the "Alt-kike" combined, so he's not that much of a cuck.

I mainly side with him.
I believe people on Holla Forums have lost sight on why they hate certain people.
If you ask "Do you hate Jews?" everyone will promptly tell you yes.
If you ask why, half this board is too young to know. It's just the hivemind telling them it's cool to hate the jews.
More effort should be put into teaching people why you should hate someone. What the Jew did.
Why? Because jewish underhanded tactics aren't exclusive to Jews. We have white people doing that shit too. Even niggers.

And this shouldn't be surprising. We're on the Age of Memetics. Being a biological Kike is becoming irrelevant when you can become a Memetic Kike. The main diference being that Kike Memetics can spread far better than normal Kike genes.
Same with niggers. White Trash are simply white people who were infected with the Ghetto Nigger meme.
I'm not saying any of this in jest, I do think humanity far surpassed their biological genes and today we evolved very quickly based on our memetic genes.

More than controlling the gene race, Holla Forums should focus on controlling the meme race.

That's the very definition of controlled opposition

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This is how retarded what Mosley said is. Kikes have been ruining civilizations for thousands of years. Their own sacred texts talk about how when at foreign gates they should pretend to be friendly and once inside not leave a woman, child of oxen alive. When you've observed the same behavior from an organism consistently over time you conclude that this behavior is part of its nature and will continue to express itself in the future, ie. you kill all bodies of that organism present in your body and if possible sterilize all parts of your surrounding environment where it could be still be lurking so that it doesn't infect you again.

All jews must die because the disease they cause in our nations must be eradicated. Genocide works.

No, he didn't. He WAS the alt-kike of his time.

No it is not. Controlled opposition is Jews or Jewish sympathisers leading organisations and pretending to represent the people whilst they are really channeling their outrage into useless and harmless forms. The fact that Mosley may have had hope for some Jews does not take away from the fact that he and his blackshirts were involved in frequent violent altercations with the Jewish community in London as well as many other Communist sympathisers who flocked to aid the Jews or attempted to disrupt his rallies.

There was a very real possibly that the BUF were going to take over Britain had the war not occurred precisely when it did. It was not at all in the pockets of the Jews, and his potential naivete regarding them did not stop him from criticising and indeed violent assaulting and suppressing them on numerous occasions. Mosley's Britain would be no safe haven for the Jew which is likely a large part of the reason why the Jews were so keen on starting the war, knowing that the distraction and hostile fascist nations would keep Britain from itself becoming a Fascist Nation under Mosley with an anti-Semitic King.

Tragic how this time line turned out. Oh what could have been, and indeed nearly was…

But user, he did it before it was cool.

>#NotAllMuslimsJews. Oy vey, why are you not agreeing with me, goy?
Jews are a problem by the very definition of their own religion. An anti-semite is not someone who judges jews based on their race, that's just a racist not that I have much of a problem with that either. An anti-semite is someone who hates jews based on their religion that hates everyone who is not a jew.
Hitler had jews he trusted and declared honorary aryans. They were jewish only by blood. The fact that both you and Mosley didn't know this and think you're somehow better than Hitler because of this is why you're controlled opposition.

Mosely: The first Alt-Kike and the standard which Jared Taylor and Richard Spencer would follow. What a fucking faggot and traitor too

REMINDER THAT THE HOLOHOAX WAS INVENTED IN THE 1970s.

fdg

I apologize for this post.

EVERY TIME

Wew. Fascist leader who was personally involved and lead a paramilitary faction that attacked Jews is actually a Jewish ally. You heard it here first!

Reminder that the Jews have been pushing a specific anti-Anglo agenda for a while now but that it has ramped up over the past few days. I've seen it in several threads just today. At first I thought this was genuine, but just like the devil; his children the jews always overplay their hands and expose themselves.

There was a huge danger of nationalist pro-Hitler uprisings in the Birtain, especially in Scotland and Ireland.
What Mosley did, was divert the whole thing to his little Jew-controlled gig and completely derail it with pretty much same words the alt-kikes use today, like "real nationalists fight for their country, are you a traitor?", "not all Jews" etc etc.
He damage controlled any violence and even cancelled his rallies once the commies showed up, to avoid nationalists smelling blood.
Thus, you can pretty much say, that Mosley was much more controlled and cucked, that Dickie Spencer.

If you follow the trail of his funding, pretty sure there is a rich zionist kike at the end.

Leese was more likely to be controlled opposition than Mosely.
Primarily because Leese was bugfuck crazy. Hilariously so. But still off his rocker.

This thread needs a purgin' right about now.

I've always thought Sir Oswald Mosley was a little too much of a PR cuck, but he didn't understand the lengths these vermin would go to to demonize the resistance against them, not even as his comrades rotted in jail.

Contrast him shitting on the Führer after the war to reforming his BUF group into the BUFNS (British Union of Fascists AND National Socialists) during the war.

That was never involved in any kind of violence and intentionally avoided it.
Never happened, Mosley was pro-Jew.

BASED MAN OF ACTION

Fuck all you jerrycucks tbh, Mosley > Shitler

Mosley simply hated the Jews because of what they did, which is the same as you lot, in reality (or at least I should hope so). Hitler hated them because of some retarded autistic racial theory that he made up to justify his hatred (as opposed to doing the sensible thing Mosley did). Mosley was a much better fascist than Hitler, instead of sperging out about muh
made up aryan master race like Adolf, he promised a New Machine that would fundamentally change how the British Empire, and the world, worked (see oswaldmosley.com/the-age-of-leisure/ for a snapshot of this). And Mosley would've had a chance to put his ideas into action had Hitler not started a disastrous and tragic war that has led to our present situation (>inb4 it was the ebil eternal anglo, fuck off jerrycucks you know that's bullshit).

tl;dr Hitler cultists and jerrycucks need to fuck off or educate themselves before slandering one of the best fascists we've ever had because he wasn't a carbon copy of Shitler

Every anglo must die, Britain and America has done the greatest damage to whites and we must purge them for their crimes

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Wew lad only 36 seconds apart, this will really D&C the goyim

You're a kike.

I'm English. I'm a Theologian. I hate Jews because they are literally of the devil; the virtues of their 'religion' are: deception, extortion, manipulation, blackmail, cunning, trickery and hate. Those who have no studied the Jews might consider them just another faction with those among them who are both good and bad - but to be a Jew means to hold such vile ideas as 'virtue', and such creatures have no business in lands of white men, or even this Earth.

For any who are blind:

Blatant shills.

They were called the Stewards or Blackshirts. You are right in that Mosley tried to avoid violence where possible for PRcuck reasons, but his main method of getting his message out was rallies - as the Jew media hated him - and as such he needed to be able to defend his people. And he did.

The 12,000 strong rally at Olympia ended in a brutal clash between Mosley's followers and Jews/Communists, with the Jews and Communists being defeated. It was however used by the jew media to portray the fascists in a very negative light which did damage his numbers for a time, which is why he would want to avoid future violence.

99% of society are such folks, kike. Society needs dogma to function.

Stopped reading there the anglo is the worst example of a "white" if you can call him one, we will purge you from the world if pakis don't do it first.

Reported, enjoy permaban, kike.

feel free to make an argument anytime

(You)

Kike shills don't deserve to be met with arguments.

Disgusting how you are trying to disgrace both Hiler and Mosley (pre-war) post war was obviously he was just trying to get elected

>>>/gaschamber/ yid

Why is Mosley even important? The important people were those who wanted to meet with Rudolf Hess, i.e. to those people he secretely flew to, minus the traitors, of course.

The British are so goddamn philosemetic.
Sanctity of the blood is the most important thing.
Would the Angles and Saxons have been ok with running a multiracial empire full of Jews and Dravidians? Of course not, they were the same as their Germanic brothers back then.
Somewhere along the way the British got lost.

He led the BUF who were the largest and most relevant fascist group in the UK.

Anglo Saxons need to go home. Back to Germany.
Britain belongs to the Britons!

Cromwell and Protestantism?

Cromwell was a puritan.
Puritans are fucking animals. Hence why the USA with its puritan sensibilities is such a dive.

The adoption of the protestant faith was mostly to keep us out of the papists clutches.
We're not Europeans and have no desire to bend our knee to some faggot in Rome.
See you can't be a catholic unless your first loyalty is to the pope. You can't be a catholic unless you think the pope is infallible.
See the problem for us?

Impressive. Didn't stop us from becoming zog central, did it?

Yeah that tends to happen when you place as much value on property rights and consistent law as we do.
Makes it easy for the jews to get into your society and set themselves up.
While on the continent their governments fall apart on a regular basis allowing for an opportunity to deprive the jew of his ill gotten gains or their governments go on rampages involving the theft of large chunks of the citizens property (including jews).
We're too stable and our governments not inclined towards arbitrary seizure of property.

So what happened was the heebs funneled their wealth into banks located here.
The US Dollar is the international currency of trade but the Pound Sterling is what you store your money in over the long term.

Sooner or later the English will wise up and we can finally get rid of the kikes.
Its just a question of when they'll get triggered.

Seems all the english do these days is get triggered.

Yeah I couldn't imagine the rothschilds allowing this to happen. You are now a puppet state for the jew your children are given to moslems for feeding their sexual desires and if you raise a fucking peep they will throw you into prison to be killed by moslems that run the jails. You cling to the idea of your old empire while not realizing the future is ours and we will install the NatSoc Imperium. ==THE SWASTIKA WILL FLY OVER EUROPA==

Anyone who thinks mere expulsion is sufficient is ignorant of history. The Jews have been expelled more times than anyone in history, and have they once thought to change their behavior in order that they are not kicked out again? No! All they have done is added fuel to the fire of their persecution complex, all the better to start exploiting their hosts once they return.

Fucking leftists always mixing emotions into things. Only to a simpleton does an emotion dictate only one course of action. I need not hate a man in order to seek his death or see him expelled. Furthermore, it is only sensible that I should seek to eliminate competitors to my own lineage for no other reason (not for their inferiority, their superiority, or anything else) than the fact that they are not of my lineage; the alternative is to condone the possibility of the extinction of me and mine, which is insane. When you watch sports do you wish equally for both sides to score? Or do you wish for your side to score and not the opposition simply because your side is yours and the opposition is not?

Fucking civnat race-cuckolds.

I'll take empirical and repeatable predictions over clinging to the hope that Jews will see the error of their ways because I suppose they might have souls. Not that it matters, since they are competitors of the proven most dangerous variety and must be eliminated on that basis alone. If it comforts you, know that it should be done efficiently, not "inhumanely."

You are a fool if you think Britain would ever accept a major power dominating the continent (as Hitler's Germany would have and did) or that a Britain infested with (((vested interests))) would ever seriously fight against communism — the only reason for Britain to ally with Hitler's Germany.

Fuck you. The German-Polish conflict was inevitable, yes, but I would never claim that it was justified. No war is to anyone outside the belligerents. Morality cannot properly apply on that scale between biological competitors. Get fucked with your party-line "Poland deserved it" spiel. It was inevitable and unpreventable and one of the few sensible courses of action for the Germans. End of story.

t. Polish expatriate.

Believing that you know better and that your own reasoning is superior to tried and tested methods is nothing but pride and hubris. It's how we're in the shit situation we are today; a whole bunch of mildly intelligent people who have been convinced they are smart (it helps to have lots of retarded niggers around as contrast) and that their reasoning skills trump everything else managing to rationalize themselves into dysgenic behaviors like anti-natalism and pro-multiracialism.

It's not reason, it's just malemployed intellect rationalizing its way out of beneficial behaviors the mind can't see the immediate use of. If a taboo or dogma has survived it is probably because it is beneficial. I'll take a thousand-year-old dogma over five-minutes' 100-IQ reasoning any day.

the second image seems to be his original and correct view, the fisrt image is a quote from a later date, and he seems to be PR cucking due to a different political climate after the 1950's
I hope deep down he would have still held the original view in private.

Madness. Cromwell idiotically let the Jews back in due to needing money from the Dutch to fuel his war effort. In hindsight this was an absolutely awful idea; however let us not pretend that simply letting a kike step foot on your land is the same as giving them control over the nation. Whilst still a vile stain upon the nation, they essentially had no power what-so-ever and would not until a lot later. The Battle of Waterloo would give them significant power, but still nowhere near enough to have them calling the shots. In fact even after WW2 the Jews were unable to dictate to the Britons. For all Churchill's crimes Britain stayed 100% white until his death, the Jews knew they could not cross him - though they had of course been slowly by slowly putting in their own people, or else bribing and blackmailing many others to do their will. You cannot truly call Britain 'ZOG-controlled' until after 1965; and at that stage the kikes had already abandoned the Island nation for the United States.

>You are a fool if you think Britain would ever accept a major power dominating the continent (as Hitler's Germany would have and did) or that a Britain infested with (((vested interests))) would ever seriously fight against communism — the only reason for Britain to ally with Hitler's Germany.

As said above the idea that Britain was 100% ZOG-controlled is absurd. Prior to the war the Jews had to use all manner of subversion and guile to get what they wanted, and often they still would not get it 100%. They were not dictating to Britain, they were offering deals that seemed advantageous to the Brits (just as they did with every other nation - including Hitler's Germany). As we know today you should never make a deal with the devil, and those who did should be rightfully scorned for their short-sightedness. That said it does need to be noted that there was no 'ZOG'-Empire as popularised by some on here.

Oh yes, because abusing and murdering people simply because they are 'German' is a completely fine act that has no bearing upon justice. Long-held rivalries need not spill over into cruel and petty acts of hatred. Poland clearly deserved retributory attacks from Germany, it was simply stupid of Hitler to do it due to the political climate.

If you honestly believe the "Poles were murdering Germans" narrative you're deluded. Not only does it have Holocaust-tier levels of evidence ("Muh letters!") but it necessarily implies a simplistic understanding of the war wherein Hitler was a nutjob given to rash actions and a slave to his sudden passions instead of the deeply considering man he was. Add onto that the fact that the scant amount of evidence that exists at best points to some activities after the German invasion and it stops holding up altogether as part of the invasion story. Not that it ever made sense anyway, but there you go.

Anyways, I stick to my claim that morality doesn't apply at that level. We plan to do the same thing to nonwhites. It simply isn't feasible to apply in-group morals to the situation as if its exactly the same. If one is a German it makes sense to cleanse one's land of Poles and if one is a Pole it makes sense to cleanse one's land of Germans. To anyone else it shouldn't really matter anymore than we care about one African tribe slaughtering another. I honestly don't see how normal morals are supposed to apply to that situation unless we are to play the Jewish game of Oppression Olympics and deliberately bias our reading of history in order that we may come out the victim and thus "justify" our biologically sensible actions. Doing that, however, is so fucking Jewish it's utterly contemptible, so I prefer to stick with my view of outgroup actions as being amoral. (The other option, that biologically necessary actions may be morally wrong, does not really bear thinking about unless one is to embrace the possibility of extinction as a moral necessity).

"Justice" doesn't apply here. The Germans invaded for a myriad of sensible reasons (that doesn't include fictitious genocide by Poles), but that sensibility and necessity on the part of the Germans doesn't make it justified because the situation is fundamentally amoral.

Faggot, he went there because it was a popular cause and his entire platform was based on "the betterment of the German people", if he didn't pursue the danzig claim, especially with those allegations, he would've lost support. It was a lose-lose situation.

Poles were savages to every nation around them. They had it coming.

Have to admit I kek'd a bit when he was caught being "deloused" by a bunch of hookers.

Bloody Sunday 1939