What's the deal with Marxists who are against automazation...

What's the deal with Marxists who are against automazation? I understand the argument that it harms the working class by denying them jobs but it's how you get to full communism. Can someone explain this to me? How is this fetish with an outdated idea of the working class helpful?

No Marxist is seriously against the automazation. It`s just rhetoric to attack the unemployment in capitalism that would not exist in socialism.

Are you telling me I've been rused?

Yes, after all automation is one of the oldest commie memes

No way.

Automation under capitalism → bad
Automation under communism → good

Same thing as transhumanism, really.

The way I see it, the proletariat only has two points of leverage against the capitalist class: One is our capacity for armed resistance and revolution, the other is the dependence of the capitalists on the labor force. Automation removes that dependence and removes our leverage.

If Porky ever doesn't need our labor and doesn't fear our guns, we have no power whatsoever. At that point, it's already game over, whether we starve to death because we there's no work, or get shot for trying to fight the system, it doesn't really matter.

Thanks for letting me in on the memeing, I promise to meme only in the name of the dictatorship of the proletariat.

But without a working class with purchasing power, porky has nobody to sell to, no?

The way I see it, automazation leads to UBI which leads to socialism which leads to fully automated luxury communism

but that's what Ulbricht was all about
cybernetics in industry through advanced technology

Literally, who? Development of productive forces is the backbone of Communism.

Even this is debatable.

The only Socialists (not Marxists) who are against automation are Luddites (Anarcho-Primitivists is modern term, I think).

Yeah, nah.

Are you okay with "automazation leads to UBI"?

what's UBI?

Eh, UBI is a capitalist concession after all, so we could say so.

Universal Basic Income

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thanks for letting me know

UBI is unlikely to happen in the first place.

not so much, it'd help them a great deal reducing the costs, kicking out state employees administrating all kinds of welfare and pension, plus it's an economic stimulus program and wage subsidy
it's not that unpopular

Guaranteed Minimum Income is already a thing in some countries, so I don't see why UBI is unlikely.

It's not the question of money. UBI would reduce power of the state - of Bureaucrats. They will fight it tooth and nail.

then they'll try to roll it back later, what's the problem?

I'm pointing out that

You are arguing that UBI is more effective money-wise.