Strategic Value of Swastikas?

Can someone please explain to me the strategic idea behind having the swastika armbands and nazi flags at the rally?

If the goal is to show that the REAL racists are anti-white SJWs/BLM/Antifa/etc., and that the media are hypocrites in their coverage, and the police (or at least the city politicians directing them) are on the side of the leftists, etc etc etc (all things I agree with). Why give anyone the ammo of being able to point to morons waving actual Nazi flags there?

I don't believe that 100% of the people at the rally were unironic neo-nazis, so why did no one tell them… "I don't think this will help our cause." At least if their cause was to actually draw more centrist-right people further to the right by exposing the violence of antifa against a truly peaceful rally.

Am I missing something?

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Sure.

The rally was organized by leftists, even though some sincere rightists who spend too much time on the internet were duped.

Spencer et al are gay and/or kikes.

Kikes play the victim, and duping rightists to larp around in public with swastikas advances their cause of being able to cast themselves as victims of rightist "hate" (i.e. speech and symbolism) while the kikes respond with violence.

Every. Single. Time.

Shifting the overton window. Not long ago, a serious Nazi party was unthinkable. Now, they're the potential opposition. Soon, they will be the opposition. And then we win.

The swastica is a symbol from buddihism that had to do with peace. Has another name I forgot. That's the only thing I think you missed.

muh PR
CUCKS

there's no pleasing you people.

ITT

This. The people mad about using national socialist imagery in public are the same people who think 'white sharia' is a great meme because it's edgy.

We'd be better off pointing out racism isn't necessarily bad and has roots in biology and Darwinism.

Holy fuck kill yourself

But we ARE the real racists.
There is nothing wrong with being racist.
And you misunderstand our goals, we want to abolish the constitution, replace it with a better white-only version and install a National-Socialist state. We don't really care for the jewish activities you alt-kikes are engaged in.
Now go back to the hole you crawled out, my little nigger-loving cuckold. Reported, enjoy your ban.

Oh, by the way this place is on FBI watchlist. Now you are too :^)

Let's see, our message is to gas all kikes, nuke Middle East, release biological weapons in Africa and erect a golden statue of Hitler in Welthaupstadt Germania. Oh, and hang all alt-kikes on the lanterns, starting with Spencer and his mongoloid wife. Do you think not using the swastika will help in spreading the message?:^)

I'm trying to understand what the point of the rally was. If that's what the people organizing the rally believe and want to show - why would they do it this way?

Ok thanks for the explanation. That definitely does clear up the strategy part that I was confused about!

You're new, lurk some more before posting. Go to >>>/fringe/ and look for swastika threads. It's an indo European symbol that represents a lot of things, Buddhists adopted it as it had made its way around to all the places where aryans settled.

lol - I know the history of the swastika.

I'm specifically asking about the strategic value of its use on an armband or flag at a political rally.

When I say, "trying to show that the left are the real racists" I suppose I mean to expose the them as openly racist against whites. Or at least help other whites to understand that they are the target of the "new" systemic racism.

I just have trouble understanding how you'd draw traditional or moderate whites to the cause of pushing back against anti-white racism by being openly nazi?

The strategy is that many here are involved in mainstream political movements and parties and you will never know who they are, we even have guys working in Congress in EU parliament. You are our SA goons we use for normie exposure, and you will end up the same way they did once we take over.

The point of the rally was to advance Communism. Note how quickly the RINOs, (((Bernie Sanders))), Bill Clinton, and others tweeted similar messages condemning "hate."

The ultimate American rightist fantasy is to live deep in the countryside and being self-reliant.

The ultimate American leftist fantasy is to (((organize))) communally.

The rally was (((organized))) months ago. eCelebs just happened to be there.

Pattern recognition is our friend.

I think using the swastika and neo-nazi imagery is not going to help. inb4 PR shill Normal fags have been indoctrinated against nazi's their entire life. And even people on the right whom would approve of the underlying goals and messages would have to avoid any movement with nazi-imagery. What needs to happen for any hope of a new White Nationalist movement in this country is to develop our own identity and symbols, completely separate and undeniably not connected to "Nazis". We can have the same ideology as NS but have to rebrand it to sell this to normies. Creating a new image disconnects it from any past perceived ideas and allows it to thrive on it's own merits. Do not misread me, this kekistani shit is retarded, a new symbol needs to be made, like i said completely different than anything the nazis did Whilst i agree that hitler did nothing wrong, the overwhelming vast majority of people think he did from being (((educated))). Most people don't have time to read up on the news after wage slaving all day. Some if they do listen to the MSM or some popular radio hosts(and think they are 100% informed voters). Fewer read online news like breitbart or ny times(and think they are informd voters). Even fewer listen to the e-celebs like mike cernocuck, or stefan molyjew and even sub-tier coal burner e-celebs like shoeonhead (and think they are informed voters). Every mainstream and almost all alternative online outlets demonize nazis and condemn them wholly, even as far as to not even really ever talk about their policies beyond killing jews. So to me, Even if we copied their policies word for word, it would go pretty much unnoticed because nobody disagrees with them other than the fact that the nazis also thought so.

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Because nazis aren't racist and hitler windy nuffin. If we draw people further right it'll be done by showing them the truth and not censoring ourselves in order to be more appealing.

This. 100%

Also, to pursue the past is exactly– precisely– what the left is doing in seeking to revise the past. Hitler did nothing wrong, but that's in the past. Fuck the past. It never happened to any of us; it's only a story written by people who are dead. The past is a distraction from the future.

Look to the future.

I agree. The rise of an openly Nazi party is unlikely in the current age of kike controlled news. A new symbol with similar meaning is needed.

That said, what could fulfill the role? It's a given that an American Nazi party would not be identical to the German Nazi party, we're different peoples, although very similar. Just like George Lincoln Rockwell knew. But what symbol could have the same power as the Swastika? 卐? The Black Sun is a fair contender, but IMO it's too complex.

By making them realize that Hitler did nothing wrong and the NatSoc are literally the only ones who will take them in, protect them and give them pride.

This is why alt-kikes are fracturing, because they are afraid to be honest.

I'll address your points separately

1) the "left are the real racists/fascists/Nazis" meme only kicks the terms around as pejoratives. There's nothing wrong with being a racist or a fascist. If you think there is you are a long way from home here.

2) the rally as I understand it was about ethno nationalism. Whether that was what the original intent was I don't know nor care but I'm glad that was the result.

3) Lurk more, you're painfully new here

That was never the goal, you retarded faggot.
We are the real racists, you dumb piece of shit.

Read George Lincoln Rockwell, you retarded faggot.

The Swastika has been in our people's culture for thousands of years. I'm not going to stop using it because a fucking kike / zogbot says I have to.

If we had control of the media, that would be a fair point. But we don't. We have control of a small subset of the internet, and even though our memes are stronger than the rest, politically enforced censorship by major platforms (Google, Facebook, Twitter, reddit, etc) limits the message.

I'm not saying abandon the swastika, of course not. It has far more meaning and history than the Nazis alone. The point is that the stigma against Nazis, especially in America (where kids are taught in school that America was the one who defeated the Nazis singlehandedly and they were all evil and we did it to save the poor jews) is unlikely to gain much ground.

If the message is so limited then why were 600 white people marching with torches chanting "blood and soil?"

Lurk more newfag

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We do have a greater control that the media. We accidentally created you alt-kike movement by shitposting and drawing frogs. Every "mainstream right" you see has been spawned by us. In the last 5 years we have changed the reality of your existence, while you've been afraid to fart in a non-PC way.

It's not a bad symbol. You can call me a shill if you want, no shit it's a powerful symbol that can't just be forgotten and left behind for PR purposes. All I'm saying is that the swastika alone is unlikely to gain much ground with American voters, unless we retake control of the MSM.

What's up with this thread? Why are you faggots using derogatory term for natsoc?

The idea is not now nor has it ever been to expose that they're racist. Our job is to stop white genocide and secure a homeland for whites. Everyone is racist, you faggot. That's not important. What's important is our homeland and our race.

It's an TRS raid, don't mind them, they are brainwashed by the jew.

The point was to be a cuckcold and make friends.

The people went there originally to protest against a statue being removed. They have decided that this statue is totally valuable and should be preserved at all costs. So they went to protest around their current idol and to network with each other.

They're cuckservative types not Nazi types.

The term Nazi is like the term redneck. Originally a derogatory term hijacked by the intended "victims". Wear it proudly.

There is no strategic value in it OP. The alt right was successfully derailed by controlled opposition. Quite literally the entire world now believes the alt right is a white supremacist group. You honestly have to be unintelligent to think this helps fight declining white birth rates. You will not find a single, logic argument in favour of this. This has also shown just how many people dont actually care about the politics but instead just want to feel included in something and that they achieved something.

Again, there is not a single, logical and well thought argument in favour of this. Your movement are now branded and infamous nazis, and the world will shun you.

Mass demonstrations and public marches are for naive idiots who masturbate to the imagery of 1960s-era activism. The harsh truth is that the elites are intimately familiar with such antiquated tactics, and thus easily subvert and co-opt them. Wars evolve. You're not going to win this generation's battles using the last generation's methods.

What do you think… that we shove swastikas in peoples' faces and that's our whole message?
You're a fucking retard.

Americans(excluding niggers,spics,jews, american indians, pan faces and anything not white) have a history and culture here in america. Even if a kike was to argue that we "stole this land", it does not excuse the fact that we stepped foot here and created civilization as we know it, we had art, culture and wove our own heritage to the land we tilled. Our identity is undeniable. The chinks and spics and dot-indians that just landed here in the last 30-40 years, having nothing to latch onto other than the desire to be white americans. Creating our own symbols, new, powerful, and emotionally eliciting is going to be easy, not just easy, but effortless. As time wears on, Something organically (not unlike memes) will catch on and breath life of its own from the citizenry that it represents. The one thing any shitskin should be afraid of is, when white people get organized and today whilst krypto-kike organized gave the false sense of whites organized and it scared the shit out of every shitskin and cucked white, every LGBTQ+pozz was scared.

You're a fucking idiot. If "we" are all "Nazis" then the media just normalized being a Nazi, you fucking abortion.

How do you expect to build a homeland for whites, when 90% whites are repelled by your symbolism because of their indoctrination?

Obviously everyone is racist, but there are still so many whites who haven't internalized the fact that only whites are ever called out for it.

Gee, I wonder why it's useful to use symbols that destroy the narrative. It's almost as if saying you're a Nazi and proving you're a better person than the people trying to demonize Nazis might be a good tactic

There's really no reason to use the swastika in an American political movement (Sorry GLR).

The problem is people on the right are too soft on allowing NS imagery because they don't wanna look like PR cucks. The message we want to send is that we're a cool new political movement, something that stands up in its own right. We'll never be real Nazis, no matter how hard we try. We'll always appear derivative, knock-off, and try-hard when we use their symbols irl. Even the guys throwing Roman salutes at the rally looked cringy as fuck when they did it.

If you want a real pro-white movement to succeed, we have to have our own symbols, our own message. We want to be the guys the Jews fearfully compare their enemies to seventy years from now, not a shadow of something that has passed.

Is this what uneducated American children really think? That the Jewish media is going to portray nazis in a positive light?

this exactly is why like you even knowing Hitler did nothing wrong I distance myself whenever I can from Nazi imagery beyond some memes (which I twist as being ironic to my normie peers) even in my uni, a leftist cesspool that is the Social sciences department and alumni (International relations senior here) I've managed to redpill people into accepting natsoc ideas and never mention the nazis or Hitler and when I do I go "I think X policy Germany had before going full retard on 1938 was really god because this and that we should try to do something like that here" and I'm always met with acceptance even from my dumb feminist professor, If a lazy fat cunt like me can do it imagine if we as a movement can accomplish

Drop the strawmen. That's not at all what I'm saying and you know it.

Exactly. The American people cannot create a perfect replica of the German people because they are different. Quite similar of course, but not the same. Americans need a different symbol to rally around. The swastika should be an inspiration, an acknowledgment of those who came before, but we must recognize our own heritage as well. This would have much more influence on the people.

That said, I have no idea what such a symbol would look like.

1. It only takes 3% to start a revolution :^)
2. We don't want people who are so weak that a symbol completely makes them freak out.
3. The swastika will get us more attention and more press than any other symbol
4. People are oddly drawn to it, as the last 80 years have shown
5. You're a fucking faggot. Still.

Is this what you faggot cucks in Europe think? That portrayal by the Jewish media in a positive light has helped. See the 2016 election, Eurocuck.

Feminism is an illogical ideology and has dominated the west for the last 100 years. Tell me again how logic matters so I can laugh at you while we use emotions to lead people towards our goals instead of the Lefts'

The only ones who fear the swastika are Jews and niggers. This thread is full of PR cucks, redditors, and concern shills.

Sage because I'm done bumping this newfag thread.

Checked, but drop the D&C. Americans and Europeans need to stand together, at least for the time being. We all have common enemies trying to destroy us. We're all different ethnicities, and most Americans are Euro-mutts, but we're all white and we're all being targeted by the kike elite.

Everyone should be using the swastika. It's been a positive solar symbol for thousands of different peoples for thousands of years, yet a single group of inbred sand people want to end it forever for everybody just because one country that lost one particular war happened to use it too. It's crazy.

that's what the mass media is pushing and the normies are eating it like birthday cake

What an absolute brainlet of a post. This whole event has really shown me that Americans are dumber than I thought. Absolutely no critical thinking whatsoever. You've been tricked into delegitimizing your movement by controlled opposition. In exactly 1 months time, when the alt right has been disassembled and it's participants villified as nazis, I want you to remember the garbage you are posting right now

How about adopting the egyptian emblem of life as one of our symbols? It would symbolize the virile and life-affirming nature of our movement - a resistance symbol against the decay, degeneration and death of the white race. It's simple, looks volkisch as fuck and won't intimidate normies.

Also, I am not versed in the occult, but I would think that co-opting this symbol will amplify the memetic power of Kek due to its relation to Ancient Egypt.

I say the Black Sun would work well, no one really knows what it is appart from people into the occult and fringe parts of history

If you're stupid enough to call yourself one. One step away from being proud of terms like dangerous faggot.
Anyone using 'nazi' here unironically is a shill in my eyes or a newfag.

It still works, but you have to have unifying message behind you to move people. Check polish marches against islam and warsaw uprising minute of silence. Hard to do in divided nation.

Fair enough. But being portrayed by mediakikes in a positive light is getting to be a bad thing, if you haven't noticed. Why should we care what the kike media thinks? They called Trump a Nazi all the way to the inauguration and of course even now. Didn't hurt him one bit.

No. You are again, a retarded faggot. Normies are drawn to the strongest group. We are the strongest group. They will always follow the alpha.
Normies hated Trump until after the primaries. After it was clear that he was the odds-on favorite, after seeing through the fake polls, they flocked to him. Because he was the strongest candidate.
The entire time, mind you, the kike media that you're so eager to impress was smearing him in every imaginable way.
You are a little baby. Go home.

If the true right (fuck the alt-right) in America fails, what is there in Western Europe to support the cause?

Fuck "everyone" it's been created by Aryans and uses by brown horses the way they use all Aryan innovation without making any of their own.

The swastika is the only symbol which has the power to make a person pull a 180 on the political spectrum. Nothing else is surrounded by more emotional propaganda. As such, nothing symbolizes Jewish brainwashing quite like the vilification of Hitler and the swastika.

Therefor, if a person can be dispelled of this propaganda, it completely shatters their trust in the mainstream channels. Is this not the path that we've all followed to get here?

"If they lied about this, they'll lie about anything" is a thought we've all had. You won't get this kind of effect with anything else.

A, I'm not American.
B, I've just made an absolutely genius post that disproved your atheist skeptik bullshit post. Logic does not lead people, emotions do. One cannot use logic to change the world. But if you get enough people angry the world will change in a matter of hours.

But go ahead, tell everyone how logic is involved in feminism. The most powerful ideology on the planet right now. It controls every western country and has enough nuclear weapons to destroy the planet. Tell me how it used logic to gain this much power. Mr. Logical feminist-san.

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The media is never going to stop calling you Nazis. So make them choke on it. Force the media to repeat it so much that the nomalfags get sick and tired of it. You'll never lose the label, so make the label lose its shock value through oversaturation.

It's alright, but a little too foreign for American tastes IMO. Perhaps some trinity between it, the swastika, and something new.

Jesus Christ, fuck off. Here's some symbols you faggot.

Not really how messaging works. How most of us got here was either having redpilled family or spending a lot of time on the darker parts of the net. Nobody saw a swastika and immediately activated their inner Aryan.

It's something that's fine to share with the ingroup (people on Holla Forums) but in a real life movement it will kill you.

Ankh says WE WAZ KANGZ and "I play vampire the masquerade"

Very bad idea to try and unite people around a pop culture symbol linked to goth kids and losers.

There is none. Hitting with the hardest redpill from the start is ridiculous. If people are going to swallow it, it needs to be gradual. And the backlash from a swastika will never be erased.

Immediately kill yourself, you fucking nigger.

You really don't interact with people outside this mongolian basket weaving forum right? look at the normies on social media, potential right wingers are been put off by the act of one dumb faggot that ran over some niggers, in past situations we never drew blood, we appeared as the bigger men, now because of ONE asswipe we've given just cause to the media (which is what normies consume) to disavow right wing ideas in their entirety, we need to play the long con to win

The swastika is great, and so is the Black Sun, but the latter just doesn't have the same memetic power as the swastika. The 卐is very catchy not only thanks to its history, but also its simplicity.

To protest against anitwhite shit, it was held in 'emancipation park', formally lee park, that should tell you something.

Stop this. You aren't from here. Go back to where you came from.

As you can see from Holla Forums, true NatSoc are extremely proud of their beliefs and generally have a chip on their shoulder about being shamed about them since the popular misapprehensions about their actual beliefs are ubiquitous, ignorant, and often unfair. These people may constitute some who would wave a flag or wear it publicly. Others might think it is edgy and tough since it frightens people they don't like but would likely be called degenerate by an actual NatSoc. Some others might just be trolls or plants trying to make whatever group their embed themselves in look bad in the eyes of the masses. Overall the idea of making the swastika PR-friendly with the current nature of the media is basically impossible - the media will always tavistockkeep in order to show the swastika associated with the worst optics. So that's why you get criticisms against 'muh PR' whenever someone suggests it isn't tactful even if there can be a point to that criticism in some circumstances.

Making that distinction between 'race realism' being factual and reasonable and the understood 'racism' that is simply blind hate would definitely be good. In any case the term 'racist' is fast becoming dulled and useless from the overuse by the Left, which is great for decent folk.

Obviously an idea with merits - decoupling the imagery from the ideas would allow you to get a few sentences in edgewise before people immediately shut you out due to their overwhelming emotional conditioning. However, I think the abandonment of a symbol in favor of another needs to be for more than just that, especially if the ideas have not evolved far from that original symbolic source.

Most wage-slaves don't have time to even concern themselves with politics or philosophy like this. There's a reason why it took a massive depression to spark the original NatSox movement - all the capable people were released from their occupations and were desperate to serve a good cause for better days. America is due for an economic collapse in the next year or so, and when it goes that is when the best people will be available for a real movement rather than the current show we observe.

You could read Mein Kampf aloud on a college campus and until you hit the JQ parts no one would even know what you were reading frankly. It's a useful thing - there are ideas in NatSoc that are not only convincing but inspiring to a lay audience.

I can attest firsthand that if you are earnest, inspiring, and truthful in a tactful way, people will gravitate towards you and your positions even if they are (((instinctively))) appalled at first.

Perhaps, but then again most of Holla Forums is here having at one point in their lives accepting the prior indoctrination in earnest. You'd be surprised at whom the plebs will follow if only they are shown powerful examples. Five years ago no one would have even dreamed that Trump would be President, not even on Holla Forums, but here we are.

Hitler was an artist, which is quite helpful to have around for such things. Perhaps we should encourage memesmiths to have a go at it. Still, has a point about the swastika weeding out the undesirables and attracting a certain sort that could be useful. Imageboards do as much in a different way.

Excellent idea, and it is already working.

This is what I'm talking about.

so you want to be a hugbox forever? wew lad

Don't call me a nigger if you can't even read my posts dumbfuck

Did it ever occur to you that over the past 50 years, especially the last 10-15 people have already been gradually moving to this point? It isn't skinheads flying swastikas anymore it's guys with jobs wearing polos and khakis. We are at that point in time. Sorry if you're too aloof to realize that. We're already here, catch up faggot.

If you can't erase it, you can always desensitize to the point where it doesn't matter anymore.

I have some theories, but something that embodies americana. Unlike european nations that have defined ethnicities of sub-categories of whites that having been living there for 2000+ years, white americans are indeed a mix of every white ethnic group, however if you've ever seen a map of america with ethnic backgrounds you'll see some interesting things #1 spics need to go, right fucking now. #2 most white immigrants are from Germany, england, france and basically the past major nations of europe. So appealing to some common bond between these might be something to ponder. Even though someones might have some roots to Latvia or something, they are still 60% german blood. Symbols must be simple however. Yet like i previously mentioned, emotionally evoking.

Why not adopt the tet? Another ancient Egyptian symbol that was revealed to us with the 10000000 get on this board - quite literally a divine revelation, if you buy into the kek cult.

You're not from here. It is not our job to appeal to normies. Oddly enough, the first redpill isn't supposed to be white nationalism. We have plenty of faggots that help people digest their first redpills. We have Molyneux, Cuckin McCuckess, Jim Goad, Pewdiepie, most of twitter… It's not our job to form some bridge to normies. Many people on youtube and other platforms do that for us. We have no need to reach out to normalfaggots. This is where normalfaggots end up after a process. We are the end of that process. Plenty of others are willing and more able than we are to dispense babbys first redpill. Not our lane.

who cares if I'm called a Nazi, I've been called one and always say "So what?" I'm with you with letting it oversaturate what I'm saying is that if we want to become a legitimate opposition with big numbers and a real chance to get into power we need to twist the shit in our favor, like I said whenever I want to convery natsoc ideas I never mention Hitler of Nazi germany and people eat that shit up, we need to be intelligent in how we play our cards

There's not always a strategic idea behind everything you velvet glove faggot. Sometimes people just stop giving a fuck.

I don't think you even understand what I wrote. Read it again.

That could work too but it would take even longer I fear. While most people online see it as a meme or whatever, entire generations see it as the ultimate hate symbol and that's very hard to shake. Introducing it right now doesn't do too much to shake that image either. You want a good example of how things have been changing? Look at the KKK. No violence from them in forever, even a Jew saved one of their lives when attacked. Their symbolism is getting accepted as simply that.

To be more accurate, they are the only opposition to the Leftists. There just isn't anything else.

The PR-cucks are probably late joiners from Holla Forums or Plebbit.

Heading to bed, but thanks everyone!

I'm sincerely grateful for the engagement. Definitely helped me fill in the missing pieces on mindset of those flying the flags in public. I'm not convinced that it's actually helpful in realizing a white nationalist dream, but the desensitization points make sense.

Any one who tries to appeals to normies is a communism. They're using commie tactics which failed them. It took subverting the power structure to change things not a swarm of idiots

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Not bad, but I think it's too complex to be adopted as a common symbol in the public mind. It's a good symbol, and could be a good signal for higher awareness folks, but I don't think it would appeal to normalfags very well. Partly because it looks like a chess piece.

and who are you to tell I'm not from here, I was here the moment this site appeared, I've was on old cuckchan Holla Forums when the first stormfaggot takeover took place when the place was called /n/, I'm with you in continue being as we are here, but in public spaces we have to gain appeal and followers do you redpill your friends and coworkers by ramming white nationalism down their throats? I bet you don't you play the long game with them so why the fuck can't we make that to the masses

Kek.

The thing with PR is that it must be carefully kept in check. Sometimes PR applies when appealing to normalfags, sometimes not. But PR must be entirely disregarded in purely ideological discussions or it poisons the well.

Sleep tight, user.

I'm nor saying the swastika is bad you dumb idiot, I'm saying that to form an appealing opposition group we need a new symbol that is asociated with us and with us only not with some guy from 70 years ago

There you go again, you dicksucker.

I'd prefer something European, as much as we mock the KANGZ, Ancient Egypt (probably) wasn't White either.
We could take a random character from Futhark. The Nordic Front are using the Tyr rune, which most normies will just think is an "up arrow". The Sig and Odin runes are out, though.
Or how about an Ogham?

I totally agree with you man, but it's something many asswipes can't get through their heads, we need PR in some cases hell Hitler had PR why the fuck can't we?

You're not gonna gain much ground referring to Hitler as "some guy", user.

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Imagine being a plant, you'd love to have sunshine, right?

Imagine being a human in a world that ran for thousands upon thousands upon thousands of year of true sun worship (until child sacrificer and corpse god yahweh was spread around).
You will want to keep the sun on you and near you at all cost.

It gives us superpowers.
It doesn't matter if it's bad PR. If doesn't matter if leftists use it. It still is our ultimate source of power.
The more you believe in the ancient power of truth and radiant splendor the more effective it will be.

Remember how strong Germany was, even if it lost the war.
Imagine all white nations coming back to the true power.

It would be insurmountable to any enemy.

okay then, stay in a hugbox forever regarded as a fringe weird fuck by everyone around you

fuck it's like you don't know what is strategic thinking

So? It is only natural that the lower people adore their natural betters. That is when all is right with the world, because it re-affirms the natural hierarchy and the proper places of all peoples. It is when such things are forgotten that everything starts going to shit. The swastika is supposed to be a universally recognized positive symbol of the natural order. That modern media has turned it into an exclusive negative symbol shows just how sick and mad our current world has become.

You're not from here. You're a kike and a liar.

You have zero control of your public image except with how you represent yourself in minimal ways such as clothing. You can't control the PR so stop trying.

Lets say you did want positive PR and you found a way to achieve it. How much effort would it take for an infiltrator to join your group and destroy any PR you had gained? It would be infinitely easy and they could do absolutely anything and you could not stop the media reporting on your group being a bunch of nazi pedo drug dealers

Nah son.

Oh he got elected
Oh they all get elected over and over

Hint hint faggot, being popular doesn't matter. Times are changing.

People always talk about how "nazis lost LOL" but when you point out that they went from a destitute nation to a force that it took the rest of the world combined to bring down, and even then the cracking of the ENIGMA code was a major factor, it strikes a nerve. We can't ever forget the swastika (if you're on ubuntu crtl+u then 5350 makes 卐) but to revitalize it we need a new symbol based on it. It has to incorporate it, somehow.

Was going to spreg out a write a giant wall of text but I'll settle for this:

Not calling ourselves National Socialists and distancing ourselves from the symbols of NatSoc could be considered disingenuous, at best, and cowardly, at worst. My greatest fear would be something like the Alt-Right, where they've allowed their message to become polluted with NazBol, race-mixing, and kikes because they weren't expressly NatSoc.
However, if we did choose to call ourselves National Socialists, then we might as well use the Swastika at that point anyways.

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But, no. Not at all.
You do not bend to the will of our enemies.
You bend their will to yours.

Feel free to start your own board and group based on a symbol of your own choosing.

I'm thinking /r/The_Donald. Those faggot cucks are now currently PRfagging like I've never seen before right now. They're even going muh raycism all over again, like they haven't learned anything in the past couple of years.

To add to that.
I am not a Christian.
I don't "adopt falsehoods" to the ultimate truth. The ultimate power.
Doing so is the path of the broken cuck.
The path of the six gorillion split.
The path of eternal division.

The swastika is pure and eternally powerful. There is no need to adjust it.

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It's a powerful symbol that should remain in use. My only point is that it will probably be difficult to get a sufficient number of Americans to rally around it, especially in the current atmosphere of kike controlled MSM. But I could be wrong.

r/the_donald are the only ones who would have a problem with the swastika being popular again. Even TRSfags wouldn't try to cuck on the swastika, gay as they are.

We have a new symbol. Pepe has become one of the new symbols if you haven't noticed.

Using old symbols doesn't mean we don't have any new ones. Symbols are memes, memes evolve organically. You can't force people to adopt it.

stormfront bans it but what did you expect?

For a more localized Northern European racialist movement, I agree with you. But America is pretty far removed from Europe, and using traditional European symbology in nationalist movements here might lead to confusion. The Egyptians were a highly sophisticated culture and very advanced for their time. Even if they were swarthy, I still consider them to be Aryans on that basis.

Then you just have to fight harder for it.

Why would we change anything about what we're doing? We are winning the culture war as of this very minute. Even after UtR, we are winning and we will continue to win.
We want people who are redpilled on the kike problem. If you're redpilled on the kike problem, then the swastika shouldn't bother you at all.

Is stormfront even a thing anymore?

It's one thing to, for persons with influence and power, to say one thing and then do another.
It's also only reasonable that a person who is attempting to redpill someone does not come right out and say, "HAIL HITLER GAS THE KIKES, DO YOU DATE NIGGERS? HAVE YOU EVER KISSED A NIGGER BEFORE? LET ME SMELL YOUR BREATH." And to avoid referring to jews as kikes, negroes as niggers, or even negroes for that matter. To avoid immediately saying that Hitler did nothing at all wrong, even. Only very slowly warming the person up to the reality. Mention the good things he did. Eventually they'll reply with, "Yeah, but, he still gassed like, a gorillion jews, dude." You know the rest.

It doesn't bother me, it's that the swastika is a symbol of German ethnonationalism, and I'm not sure if the same symbol will have the same power with Americans as their heritage is not quite the same.

Maybe so.

It's part of the TRS circlejerk now.

Shame we don't have any decent podcast hosts any more. Hate stormfront, hate TRS, hard to find new podcasts to listen to while getting /fit/

This guy gets it.

Exactly. It feels like a forced meme when used in American politics.

If you just take the information contained in the TRS podcasts and can look past the bullshit, they do have some decent content. They won't get a dime of my money, but The Alc Right Rises, Exodus Americanus, FtN and a few others actually have good content.
We mix together like oil and water, however, and I wouldn't dare promote them or even recommend them. Just sayin', there is still good content on TRS. I'd try to download from an alternative place for the podcasts, though.
Their forum and ours will never get along but I still listen to some of their stuff.

Why hasn't OP been banned yet?

I agree with you 100% regarding the swastica -it is obvious that we should not care about being offensive. but I think that we need to address another important question - that of whether the swastica can be relevant to a contemporary American white nationalist movement. I have a gut feeling that all of this swastica fetishism is the worship of dead ashes. There is an adage that the Gods die with every generation and need to be reborn in a new, different form. That is, instead of always looking backwards, we need to be more creative and have a dynamic approach. I agree with what said. It just doesn't resonate. This is what I was trying to get at in my earlier post .

Kek.
God, you're fucking horrible at this. Go back to reddit, you faggot scum.

No. The goal is to rebrand racism as a good thing, you giant faggot. How we go about this, I'll leave to smarter anons. But playing on the "racism bad" field will never work.

Stormfront banned it a long time ago already, which is why it's so funny when shills came in here calling us 'Stormfags' when we're actually much more 'extreme'.

Perhaps we should be asking how Hitler came up with his symbol in the first place. He was obviously inspired by ancient sources, and then adopted it into his own way. Someone here should know the story of that process.

Read some Hans F. K. Gunther and come back when you're ready to be a man OP.

Are you suggesting that my post is some kind of attempt to trick you into into giving up the swastika? Use it as much as you want, I don't give a fuck. Hell, paint one on the side of a building for all I care. I'm just suggesting that perhaps our movement would be more successful if we occasionally tried to be creative instead of trying to directly replicate the NSDAP all the time.

You have to go back.

IT'S NOT, YOU FUCKING IDIOT, WE ARE THE REAL RACISTS AND WE'RE PROUD OF IT.

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Didin't this fucking meme die? Why isin't it dead already?

It was always a forced meme. Only idiots used it and it died almost immediately

Not to mention it would leave us vulnerable to the accurate allegation that we are National Socialists.
They're going to call us ebil Natzees no matter what we call ourselves.

Because the jews recognize us for what we are as soon as they hear our positions and beliefs. So there are two options:
You fear us. And after all your people have done, you have every reason to be afraid.

Do you choose the path of weak submissiveness that puts you on the defensive? Or do you have a spin and fight the jew? The choice is yours, but I know what I'll be doing.

The 'nazis vs pop music' meme is underrated.

Fuck off normalfag

Hmmm
Preservation of fire

I prefer this.

I've had a lot of success with it. It's a powerful meme that's very good at short circuiting normalfag programming.

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That one is good too. Diversity in memes is our strength. :^)

That's a catchy song, shame it's mourning lefty anarchist faggots. Re-purposing the song to suit our propaganda purposes is good though.

Check this out.

shit you already posted it

The Turn Back Time video is a classic.
I've heard rumors it was made by pewdiepie

kek here, have a Rhodesia one

A rally, organised by CIA-spooks and jews with communist jew controlled drones on the left vs zionist jew controlled drones on the right.

Yet you wonder what the point of all this charade was?

It's just another obvious jew false flag designed to undermine any resistance to jewry, led by jews on both sides.
Bothe sides using the jewish puppet Trump to polarise both sides for the same false jewish narrative.

Everyone involved in this jewish psy-op needs gassing

Thanks, have more Rhodesia.

We should NEVER abandon the swastika, it is representative of us as Aryans. We ARE racist, no sane person ISN'T.

PR cucks should read No Tolerance.
NOTHING TO THE RIGHT OF US BUT THE WALL ANYONE ELSE IS LEFT.

If you won't join us as radical extremists then to hell with you. The alt-lite must be converted or burned down.

Whoever made it was very skilled at editing. The A/V sync is too perfect, particularly when that tank is lifted by an explosion.

I say this thread is now a NatSoc (and related) propaganda thread. Too many people want Holla Forums to stop being Holla Forums. They obviously require an education.

This first webm is great for the payoff at the very end. Gets the almonds activating.

Indeed. Could you imagine starting a National Socialist/Fascistic movement while not using the terms National Socialism or Fascism?

It's hardly representative of Aryans. Its part of a branding kit from a failed German political movement. Aryans are representative of Aryans.

Ugh. The more i see on whites whom stayed in africa the more i hate niggers. t. cis white male from mid west and has lived in s8 "little africa" neighborhoods(i was going to college, not on gibs)

The NSDAP didn't fail. It's kinda hard when Churchill, FDR and Russia attack you from all sides. The movement didn't fail. The world attacked it.
Furthermore, you're another cocksucking moron. The swastika has roots much older than 1933, you fucking reddit cuck.

Are you retarded? Or just not from here?

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That really makes the north koreans look unorganized by comparison.

Just got around to encoding this for 8ch

Truly absurd. And of course the jews would be quick to clarify the situation for the normalfags, who would then feel deceived by you (and rightfully so.)

At the end of the day they're asian insects who at best can only emulate white people.

While PR cucking on ∞chan is retarded when in meat space you really should look at the optics of what your doing.

So what are you implying?
Sounds like you're implying that the swastika shouldn't be used in meat space. Is that what you're implying?

If you're discussing your politics publicly, not just with individuals in private, you will be called a "Nazi" regardless of what you call yourself.

Denying the allegation will make you look dishonest and weak.

Saved. I get a kind of sick pleasure knowing Cuckplay would be furious with this.

It's a good sort of sick pleasure.

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…on the subject of subverting pop songs.

The ankh symbolizes a vagina, not a dick. That's why it's the fertility symbol and not e.g., the war symbol.

Swastikas are cool as an indo European motif but the Nazis lost. This was retardation and/or false flag.

Wouldn't be surprised since it's exactly what I would do to false flag and sabotage. I don't get why they have to run around heiling or whatever, however fun it might be; they are actual autists. Born to heil I guess

If you love this country, if you want a Golden Age future, we have to rule normies, not LARP

So it's really no big deal, BECAUSE they've made themselves disreputable retards and therefore it has nothing to do with our movement (our glorious, winning movement). The media wishes otherwise of course

tangentially related

Our victory will not be possible until we deprogram normalfags. As long as you pretend to not be a National Socialist, you're letting the Jews control the game. You can never hope to win with such a strategy.

Lurk 10 more years.

That's pretty cool user.

These videos are dishing out the feels for some reason.

Don't fabricate implications like a kike. What I'm stating is that you should consider the optics. If your objectives are best met by larpping as a civic nationalist than do that. If your objectives are best met by flying the flag of the National Socialist German Workers' Party then that's what you should do.

I used to be Mormon, served the mission and the whole 9 yards. Here are some conversion wisdom. You feed an infant milk before you feed him meat. If you feed the infant meat he will vomit it up without getting nutrition from it. The blue pilled are like the infant. You must find the right red pills to feed them and when they grow more mature in there understanding they will be able to accept more knowledge without throwing it up. By going full 1488 most people will instantly disregard anything you have to say, they will erect barriers in there mind and anything you do say may even have negative effect.

What will you do when the jews call you a "Nazi", despite your civnat larping? Will you own up to it, or will you lie and squirm like a rat?

Because you're a faggot. You don't have the balls and you want to discourage others from doing it.
Go back to reddit with your shit memes.

excellent meme. Fuck those disingenuous cucks, they deserve more abuse from the right.

The swastika helps weed out the shabbos goyim and cuckservatives/civic nationalists.

I actually agree with you OP - when it comes to public appearances or related recruitment events. Most people are not ready so you'll just repel them if you go too far too soon. There's a reason why full-on NatSoc parties are a tiny (read:powerless) fringe IRL.

That said, on the Web we should go full range from the smaller red pills to the big ones. The unifying principle should be White Pride and White Nationalism - something that's much more palatable to the general public. We're not gonna win this without having most of our people on our side (or sympathetic at least). It's as simple as that.

Is it this why it's called purity spiral? Because if it is, I just caught on to it now and feel pretty stupid to ask.

Shoot a billion cottonballs at the enemy is not more powerful than shooting a couple of actual rounds, you know?

If we cannot get the full healing then we haven't been healed. Anything lower than WW2 efforts against the kikes is pissing in the wind.
If you give the kikes the little finger he will pull your entire arm out of its socked, beat you with it while crying how evil you are for attacking him.

I have an aerospace company that is a government contractor. I wont tell my co workers that I want to gas the jews and ship all blacks back to Africa. I'd promote it anonymously online. I'd red pill them on false flags the kikes pull and how they should stay vigilant against Chinese and Israeli economic spying. I'm not on neet bucks, I work with black people and feminists and liberals. Maybe I'll give them some "micro aggressions" to stew over but I'm not going to fall on my petard if such an action will have zero beneficial impact. If I where a politicization I would do likewise, hiding your power level is an important skill if you want to be successful. Sure you can "dog whistle" from time to time but there are certain desired national policies it would be best not to admit to publicly supporting if you'r not living inawoods.

Never do the thing they would choose to false flag. If you want to blow up a bunch of kikes or fags it would be best if you made a plausible effort to convert to islam first. If you want to take out some cuckservitives then join antifa first. Don't give us all a bad name and make it that much harder for us to convert the normies.

Hit peaces on the scary alt right's secret Holla Forums board will gain little traction with normies, hit peaces of shit that happens out there can catch fire in the attention span of the plebs.

Yes and also shills will encourage you to fuck up your life and get yourself fired or arrested over dumb shit.

Disinfo.

Lurk more.

Nazism isnt the same as National Socialism. In this case it matters what you use.

This user is right. Don't be be afraid of the best symbols ever been put in use. You have no idea how powerful and beautiful the swastika is.

This is what you get if you aim for anything lower than the purity of the swastika.

This. Fuck off PR cucks

This is not a right question.

The right question is

what is the strategic value of Crucifix, Jesus Christ and Christianity in general?

Yeah, that sounds right but it's a senseless analogy for this particular situation. You need to be smart and adjust to your environment. You can expose your power level in Poland much more (physically kicking shitskin butt) that in Germany (where you'll get arrested for a wrong tweet). The reason why they fear us is because we're smarter.

Lets say the population in your country is divided 10-80-10. This is a fairly common distribution where 10% is on your side, 10% against you and the rest (80%) are weakly aligned, undecided or too scared/lazy to get too political. For the most part, it is the ability of your tip of the spear (10%) to influence and gain support among the 80% that will decide everything.

At the moment, only White Nationalism is capable of playing in that arena. NatSoc could come later but that's a bridge we can cross when ready.

What you propose has no meaning.

The only white countries that have any real form of resistance to jewry utilise Christianity as the core binding factor.
Americans and Anglos are so jewified that all their 'resistance' movements as specifically run and financed by neocon zionist jews and encourage multiculturalism, infighting between Christians and pagans (when no Anglo or American is a real Pagan or Christian, both are abominations of what was once Christendom or Paganism).

There is only resistance in a few Eastern European countries, they use Christianity as their unifying symbol and a resistance to jewry.
Anglo/American's are now alt-right, a jewish creation designed to neutralise any true resistance to jewry, in fact all they do is play up to the cartoon nazi image and ignore the kikes running the organisations.

I fucking love Ridgebacks. Most people think a dog is scared when it tucks its tail between its legs, but when a Ridgeback does it it means it's 100% ready to absolutely fuck your shit up. These dogs were bred to fight lions and tigers, they tuck their tail in so that wild animals can bite and hold them by the tail. Most people don't know this, especially niggers of course, so when they think it's safe to waltz all over the dog they get the surprise of their lives.

I agree with your observations, OP. No one can force the red pill. All must come to it little by little. Look at everything Trump is accomplishing against the MSM and Koshervatives while still having 3 and a half years left in his first term. No one needs to be openly extremist to actually be an extremist. They just need policies that are extremist in all but name. Accusing Liberals of blowing their load too early with Antifa only to turn around and do the same thing with neo-Nazis and such is obviously not the best idea.

That's hardly a failure, you faggot cuck.

How about we keep up the bad tweets and the empowerment of the swastika?
You fear cucks in black robes donning hammers more than kikes and invaders, it seems.

If you go any lower than the purity of the swastika then they will censor that, too.
It just has a bigger delay.

Just look at fucking Pepe. A symbol of hate.
When theft (Pepe and lower) is punished the same way as murder (swastika) then it makes no sense to stick to theft.

This also translates to the real world.
If you end up (ahaha as if someone like you would, but the point stands) deciding to strike against the foe.
Anything below a kike is a waste of your freedom and health.
Anything other than full on hatespeech is equally a waste, since you'll get punished just as much for putting quotation marks around "refugee".

Every inch you give them will be exploited, but I understand your fear and everyone elses fear, including mine.

How many VPNs are you rotating through?

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If you eat companion animals you're a fucking subhuman.

Can you fuck off back to reddit you retarded fucking faggot?

What the fuck is that shit?
Seriously, we know you're not from here and you really need to go back. We see right through this shit.

To add to this:

Sure, you might get a few more people over with something milder, but mild will not have the full healing effect in the end.
Not only did you have to work hard to empower something milder, which you'll have to then deprogram, too to get the stronger dose.

When you could have, little by little, empowered the full healing path.
You have a full legacy of "cool nazi shit" that everybody secretly envies, even the kikes who had to be barred with laws from making their holocaust jackoff nazi porn-porn, as in, literal porn where they got off to porn shit involving their holohoax narrative.

Why settle for anything less?
If you settle for anything less then you'll GET anything less.

Pepe is very recent, yet the resistance against kikes and political correctness has risen throughout the years before he was reborn from our spirit.

Trump was elected by people who were fed up, and they were fed up way before Pepe.

Pepe is great and all, but the full glory of our people must be restored.
Swastikas aren't just for Germans and Wehraboos.
It's the rune that empowers all who are of white European descent, and then some.

You are wrong with your facts. The US is one of the most christian countries in the world and yet there is not much resistance to jewry and a lot of the opposite.
Easter European countries resist to the jews not because they are uber-christian but because they are racially-homogeneous. Only poles are crazy christian and coincidentally Poland sometimes called a "jewish paradise".

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You’re too retarded to be posting here, so why not fuck the hell off?

I see your point.

As far as the Enigma code is concerned, I’m GLAD that it was broken (given that they lost the war), because NOWHERE in ANY coded messages during the ENTIRE WAR was there ANY order for genocide or killing of camp prisoners in any fashion. And we only have proof of that from the cracking.

Fuck off back to reddit, you cuck

This, I love using that talking point. They thought their code was secure, and yet there's zero chatter about this massive plan to gas all the kikes while simultaneously fighting a war on multiple fronts? Bullshit.

The Swastika is a symbol of German Nationalism but it has come to mean more to some people.

Now what it means and who those people are depends.

OP has a point, the swastika has been appropriated by (((them))) and programmed into normies as the symbol of all that is evil in the world. It illicits a reaction in the head of the average person like pavlovs dog. All the faggots who do not even give this 1 second of thought are either shills or fucking idiots. We will never get anywhere using icons that have already been stolen, and when it does show up at rallies, it is used as evidence to immediately shut down the conversation. (((They))) have been winning for 70+ years and it is time for somebody with half a brain to start leading the fight without yelling "gas the kikes" right out of the g.ate.

white and proud, blue eyes and blond hair niggers

Because it's about speaking truth to power, not PR cucking for muh normies. Everyone was a brainwashed normie once.

Gas yourself, faggot.

That wasn't the goal, you dumb cuck. Not for any Holla Forumsack anyway. The goal is to make it known that there are white men standing OPENLY for what they believe. Many people are scared to even consider certain ideas because of possibly being given a label. Once they see that others are doing it anyway and getting away with it, the whole thing becomes an empty threat.

Go back to the_donald, you fucking DR3 cuck

The kikes have always used the swastika, OP better ask them…

What about the lemniscate? The embodiment of pre-creation chaos, the infinite divine, and the West's quest for boundless achievement.

Spengler christened the lemniscate the prime symbol of western culture because of our tendency towards the transcendental, as evidenced in our music, architecture, and mathematics.

OK GUYS. The Left WILL call you a Nazi no matter what you do, simply because it is an effective smear. What normies hate isn't Nazis, or swastikas, they hate WEAKNESS and GUILT. So when the Left labels you a Nazi and you try to run from it and apologize, normies smell weakness and turn against you.
Trump's brilliance was that he never apologized for anything, whatever he said he stuck by it, or at least appeared to.
When talking heads and politicians get on tv and start acting all morally self-righteous and powerful in denouncing Nazis that gets normies excited, they think these talking heads must be saying something real important they should listen to because why/how else would they be talking so powerfully? The content doesn't matter, what matters is how the talking heads form their statements.
You powerfully denounce Nazis, or Ponies or Ice Cream, it doesn't matter, your tone and force is what matters and attract people. Same principle when you apologize for things, especially things you don't have any control over; normal people hate that weakness, they know that you just fuck up everything you're a part of.

If someone calls you a nazi, don't run from it, just assert "Damn right, and I'm about to Blitzkrieg dat ass!", because that will get you plenty of laughs, probably even get you laid.

Yeah that wasn't even remotely the goal. Truth is we ARE the real racists and we aren't afraid to let people know.

Our message is not to cuck, its to let the white people of America, the majority of whom actually agree with 80% of our views, know that they are not alone in their thoughts and its okay to express them despite what a decade+ of political correctness indoctrination has told them otherwise.

Reminder that [Anti-racism] is a codeword for [creationism-lite] too.
Remind (((them))) and their faggy lapdogs, and see their heads explode.

If you have something to say then just fucking say it instead of posting out of context pictures and make vague implications via redtext.

Both Yellow and red swastika society was btw created by the kikes, and the Nanking Massacre is a 'hoax'.

Remember the nords used the swastika 10k years ago, the hinds for some thousand years only. Thats why the kikes had to genocide the whites living in north america (Mississippi) between the 17th and 19th century. (Proof incoming, prepare to learn about your ancestors..)

Jew.

A very well reasoned and thoroughly supported argument user.

The left has made unprecedented gains over the last several decades while proudly marching under Soviet flags, representing a system that catastrophically failed.

I'm not saying marching around with Swastikas is helpful to the cause, but stop pearl clutching about it. Normie millenials and generation Z literally don't care about the holocaust any more than they do about the holodomor.

Can confirm. BOTH Muh PR and no PR is needed, depending on who you want to reach. For shits and giggles once i even made a leftist agree with me because i repackaged NatSoc policies with lefty-think and he ate it.
This is exactly why Trump won. Technically he advocates a lot of Nationalist policies, but always kept his distance from obvious german nazi symbolism so the kikes are mad as fuck about it because they can't paint him as such.
Obvously kikes would still try to paint us as nazis and discredit us just like they try with Trump, HOWEVER many normies will not swallow it if we don't act like typical hollywood nazis. It's a possible tactic to defeat the kike media, and Trump has proved it.

Normies are simply fucking mediocre in politics and have been indoctrinated by kikes to flinch everytime they see nazi stuff, however this is also a weakness because if you distance yourself from nazi symbolism, nomies won't buy the media shit about you being muh ebil nazim, because they frankly don't know a single thing about NatSoc except those symbols.
Hitler chose heils, roman salutes and the swastika as symbols on his own and made them attractive to his own people. It's possibly neccesary to Americanize NatSoc idology and make it attractive here.

TL;DR Copy NatSoc policies 1:1, while ignoring muh ebil hollywood nazi symbolism to throw off normies and also fuck with the media.

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Fucking shameful.

Take the vegpill, you degenerate.

I honestly agree with this, we need to find cultural symbols that resonate with Americans, while pushing them towards the NatSoc ideal. I've already found success in converting hippies and altruistic types towards Nationalist thought by just regurgitating a lot of Savitri Devi's ideas while putting them in my own words. What I think is important is to find a way to attract all whites who are able to see past the shadows on the wall to our side. I want both hunters and vegans under our banner, I want both good ol' boys and city slickers fighting for the white race, and we need symbols that work for all of them.

That feel when too smart to make it through winter by eating some delicious meat stew and instead having to gnaw on tree bark.

Adolf is a great role model but he was also sick, he was a war veteran, he couldn't even see right for quite some time thanks to getting hit in WW1.

Should we now take the get your eyes gassed pill, too?

I've never heard this before? What are you talking about? Also, I don't care if you hunt your own meat or have a local farm you get your meat from that is run by whites and the animals aren't horribly abused, however, I need to make it clear to you that eating meat is not necessary for health. Especially not in a modern society where we have access to fresh fruits and vegetables. You want vegans on your side, trust me. By allowing purely altruistic people to find a home in your movement, you gain a moral superiority, the National Socialists of Germany had that.

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What if we could turn the Christian Cross into a swastika? But do so in a subtle way that normies wouldn't believe was actually a swastika, thus having it resonate with the many white Christian Americans who aren't totally cucked?

No, they're faggots who will die without supplements.

How did Pythagoras and the Neo-Pythagoreans survive without supplements? I'm not going to keep arguing with you because so many threads have been derailed with these discussions. We don't need to be friends, but we are on the same side. There are pro-white vegans and vegetarians, every animal sanctuary in the U.S. is run by white people, Gene Baur is 100% German in his genetics, etc. Anyways, you obviously don't like vegans or vegetarians, are you a hunter? If you're a hunter I can respect you, if you're just some fat fuck who gets his meat from McDonalds, I have nothing but contempt for you.

Are you trying to be the biggest faggot of the thread now?
Eat some B12 to rectify your madness immediately.

Also, it is impossible to not be at least partially cucked while following a foreign religion that anyone in the world can adopt and look legit, too.
Unlike native european religions that make any nigger who hails Thor look like an idiot.
Wheras it's perfectly fine for a nigger to praise Jesus.

Was a fucking lunatic.

I don't support Christianity. However, Christianity is very popular with rural whites, and Southerners. If we could create a symbol that resonates with them, that isn't actually Christian in nature, it would be a wonderful situation.

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Remember that "stop cucking for anything less" thing that has been posted since OP made this shit thread?

Go swastika or go home.

Careful. It's surprisingly hard to verify what he and his followers REALLY did and believed. Pythagoras was basically one of the first Freemasons, combining secrecy and veiled hierarchies with number mysticism.

Get them to burn crosses, fuck cross worship it's like worshiping the bullet that killed your childhood hero.

Have you ever heard the phrase, "Milk for babes, mead for men" It's very true. What we here on Holla Forums can handle, is not palatable for the masses. They simply can't handle it.

Well at a certain point, everything in the past is subject to debate, but Neo-Pythagoreans throughout history did follow vegetarian, and sometimes even vegan, lifestyles. For example Apollonius of Tyana, some of his life is myth, but certain parts, his ethical vegetarianism for example are documented by many sources and are certainly true. I'm merely using Pythagoras as an example that vegetarianism is possible, and has always been possible. It might not always be easy, but you can do it if you want to.

Just googled "truth symbol" and this was the first image to show up. Not a bad start.

That has potential, what are its origins?

if you're gonna be called a nazi anyway, and secretly you are a nazi
then just be honest and wear the swastika with the pride it deserves
For thousands of years it has served your ancestors and it would serve you well too
George Lincoln Rockwell ran into the same problem, they would be secret nazis and infiltrate the government to then reveal themselves at the right time to turn the apparatus against the jew
laughable in retrospect
they would be found out ahead of time and subverted, threathened with being outed as a nazi, and they laugh at you for being too scared to even call yourself a natsoc. Because it means they already won
the jew lives or dies by narrative
it is only when GLR decided to go full out that he became such a threat that they had to have him killed
just look at the kikes shilling this board of a not even a hundred thousand anons, because to allow even a single group to hold the public oppinion of
GAS THE KIKES, RACE WAR NOW
and
KILL EVERY KIKE, PRAISE KEK
makes it an available option
jews spend all this money on the holohoax because the natural tendency IS to kill them all
It has happened hundreds of times, total exclusion, even kill on sight laws.
Our resolution and dedication to our blood and history is our victory. The fact they can't round us up and gas us means we can all work tirelessly to ultimate aryan victory over the universe
the stars belong to us, and no parasite will deny us our birthright

user. Humans are meat-heavy omnivores.
Veganism is for the dead.

Vegetarianism is feasible, but veganism (i.e. living without ANY animal products) is retarded and, in the case of children, outright criminal. Mothers pushing veganism on their children should be put into concentration camps.

We would have to legitimately enlighten them. Fortunately books are already written on the matter.

bhagavata.org/

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I really don't want to derail this thread, but you are wrong. Children can survive off their mother's milk alone. I know healthy teens who have been vegan their entire lives. No one has any right to tell parents how to raise their children, if you start pushing that white vegans parents can't raise their children to live their ideal lifestyle, then you are my enemy. I hope you do not continue to be my enemy, we should be allies. I wont tell you how to raise your kids, and you wont tell me how to raise mine.

Your meat industry inculcated opinion is based on literally nothing. There are plenty of healthy vegan children.

If you give in one inch you lose everything okay.
They will always make you disavow next, and the next thing. Just like Neekeri before 80's in Finland meant just black, commies artificially made it equal to nigger, because cucks let them. You are a cuck even considering this, you can never appease the enemy enough, you have already lost.

I have a feeling he has no interest in putting mothers who feed their children fast food into concentration camps. I'm assuming he's just naive, so i wont hold his opinion against him.

I'm beginning to think that controlled opposition folks like Spencer are accidentally helping us more than hurting us. Not with the (((implicit))) shit, that's pure faggotry and cancer. But some of these over the top Nazi kkk rally type things are probably working towards our benefit. We have to much momentum to be stopped by such primitive jewry anymore.

Obviously Spencer and his ilk still have to go, no defending his shit. But I do find it hilarious that them and their (((handlers))) may be unintentionally funding portions of our rise.

If there's one thing I keep learning, it's that PR cucking is almost never worth it. Maybe in Trump's case, or some tavistockway redpillers like Molyjew, but for random folks, especially online, ESPECIALLY anonymous? PR serves no purpose but that of the jew.

I've been vegan for over a decade, you dumb nigger. I volunteer tons of my time at animal sanctuaries and interact with lots of vegans. If there are dumb fucks in the big cities feeding their babies oreos and getting surprised when they get sick, that isn't on veganism, that's on fucking retards.

Nazism did not have a ton of baggage when it came to Germany, it was a new movement, you idiot. Hitler didn't merely ape movements of the past, he created something new.

Hardly a success considering they no longer exist

Wrong. The Germans lost in the end, but they uncovered many hidden secrets, and serve as a great example for us. The Third Reich was the greatest nation to ever exist.

His movement was based on old powers, you nitwit.
You know, the very same thing you're shilling against.
Hitler didn't invent the swastika, he didn't invent the runes, he didn't invent blood and soil.
He just brought it back, the opposite what you are trying to advocate for.
Filtered. I've got enough of your dumb shit.

>not knowing the swastika is fucking magic if you're white
Posting my suggestions.

These might be to autistic but I like them.

Holy shit, you are fucking stupid. Repurposing an ancient symbol for your movement is not the same thing as using the symbol of a nation that is considered infamous and evil to normie Americans. When Germans saw the Swastika, they didn't think of a movement from 70 years ago in another country that their ancestors went to war with, they thought of what the National Socialists were saying, they thought of the ideal.

The only way to destroy the communist world-eaters is to oppose them. The only opposition to communism is fascism/monarchism/nationalism.

There's nothing autistic about any of this.
Just because we live more modern lives doesn't mean any of this is larping.

Consider a boar cult for example, completely hypothetical boar cult.
They worshipped boars for hundreds of years and slid into a minority for a while, faith wise.
Then during this phase forests around them were thinned out too much for boars to really find a place to live.

However, the boar cult continues to stay where they are and still worship boars for their strength and cunning.

Are they larping? I don't think so. If the forests were still around in their more modern setting, then the boars would be there, too.

Also, be wary if Christians call it larping. They belong to a 2000 year old cult and worship its deity quite alright if you ask them.

There is no larp in native european faith, only forgetting and remembering.
Those who remember will be empowered, those who forget will lack the powers they could have otherwise.

You are completely missing the point, Moshe.
The point is normalizing the swastika, idolizing Hitler, and discrediting the Holocaust in order to force the Overton Window as far right as it will go. Leave the centrist fence-sitting to the normies.

the only reason I'm even bothering to write this is because there are legitimately hordes of newfags that don't realize this, and they're too stupid to figure it out on their own so they have to be spoonfed.

Soon

Learn how to sage nigger

Rune of anscetral spiritual power, divine inheritance and earthly estate.

runesecrets.com/rune-meanings/othala

Good symbol

As I've said, people aren't afraid of the Swastika because it is a symbol of "hate" and "intolerance" but because it is a symbol of FAILURE. In the final analysis, the Nazis lost. The Swastika reminds everyone of just how hard the Nazis lost. Anyone who waves that symbol around is a loser and a moron. Don't incorporate it into anything. Just create a new symbol that signifies victory. Change the American flag to red white and black or something.

Here is inspiration. The American flag is victory. American are winners. We win everything we really want to. But we need to update it to show the new direction we're taking.

Even normalfags find it intriguingly attractive.
They say it's aesthetic and charming. Also the taboo factor is part of it.

Let people like PDP do their job, let us spread shit and do our best elsewhere, let normalfags post our hitler jokes and memes, then maybe next year we'll see 60,000 in the NS movement at this rally.
SIEG HEIL

God damnit Kek supports your argument. Beware of what you meme, user.

That's NOT the goal you stupid cucked piece of shit.

WE ARE THE REAL RACISTS AND WE'RE PROUD OF IT. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH RACISM

As I already explained here:
There is a difference between what you're doing, discussing politics one on one with individuals, and actually speaking to the public. If you try speaking to the public, the jews among the public will call you an ebil Natzee.

If you deny their accurate accusation, the general public will see right through you. They'll think you're weak and dishonest.

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hmm

I thought a fair few of them had to be media plants. The imagery is too print perfect to be fully homegrown.

I had a simliar thoughts. Runes look great and have meaning to european ancestry. However, i would use the colors of the current American flag.

Well, Trump is being accused every day and he made the media Kikes his little bitch constantly. It's not about denying and being on defense, i think it's more about how you make them eat their words when they try to discredit you while turning normies on your side. You can still speak truth while looking reasonable and being charismatic to normalfags, it's just counterproductive to act out the heiling ebil nazi cringe meme the kikes are trying to make you out to be.

can someone dump swastika pics please? I want to get some eggshell stickers printed with a big symmetrical swastika. Eggshell stickers are really difficult to remove.

Amen. People don't want to follow weak leaders, they want leaders that FUCK.
People never really grow up; if a bully calls you a name at school and you run away from it and start crying then the entire class points at you and laughs and starts chanting the same insult, because they want to humiliate your weakness.
Democrats understand this perfectly. If they call you a Nazi and you run from it they keep calling you a Nazi. And get everyone else to join in. They say you're "on the wrong side of history" because no one wants to associate with a LOSER.
When you try to call people on the left "Nazis" or "the REAL racists" they just LOL at you and ignore it, they don't run away.

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Thank you. Why is Flag_of_the_German_Reich off center? Was it originally like that?

For the record, I disapprove. But I took a shot at it anyway, for you. It's probably not lined up properly, because gimp is a hell of a drug. Using an Iron Cross is probably better if you want a Christian symbol that makes jewish skin crawl.

More like Freemasons fancied themselves his successor. Of course Pythagoras had no notion of them whatsoever.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but when Trump denies being a 'Nazi', he probably isn't lying. But you would be.

Wilkommen.
Yes have seen it this way video too. I believe it's made to hang vertical also.

As I understand it:
The national flag after 1935 was deliberately off-center. The party flag was perfectly centered.

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When it is vertical is it rotated to the left or right? I'm going to assume its rotated to the right so that the swastika is in the higher portion of the half of the rectangle.

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I dont think you realize how fringe we are. Natsoc will never be a viable option again because of historical associations. This isnt something you can get around.

Wrong. We are citizens of the u.s. with a right to free speech.
If they try to take it away we will defend it with the second.

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Where do you think all the memes and infograph images that get spread by normies on social media come from. This is a guerrilla war over people's minds against the MSM, we aren't supposed sit at the end of the redpill road twiddling our thumbs.

You are a tool for the Jews and anyone else that thinks that invoking any serious imagery related to Nazis and Hitler is also. Nazi imagery in this day any age only works in a funny or ironic context.

Come election time the media isn't going to be fooled again, they'll be writing about the memes that are spreading and link them to the Nazi stuff spread around here, and then Spencer will false flag some rally again to try sink Trump's reelection campaign.

Congrats useful idiots!

They lost WW2 ultimately and have become a laughing stock of the world, also Vietnam war.
So why are you posting a symbol of loss?

Because you're a blithering faggot, that's why.

The black pill is strong with this one.

Gas yourself, too. Faggot.
I'm no tool of yours.

It is your duty to fight on against seemingly impossible odds. Even if victory is not realized in our lifetimes, we must keep the flame of truth alive.

The above user has it right I think.

Actually looked through TOTW and the vertical flags are much larger banners as in pic related.
Flags on the top are not vertical but hang down, this is what was confusing me and what I was thinking of.

Perhaps we should just be honest. We are here, we are armed, and we are going to exterminate the kikes.
And there really isn't all that much that can be done to stop us.

Blackpill posting (Wehrkraftzersetzung) should really result in a 2-5 day ban. And asses and elbows should receive a lifetime ban.

You got a long, perilous road ahead of you if you think you can overcome thousands of "le evil nawwtzeeeee" movies, docus, and school lessons the average person as been indoctrinated by. It would be much easier to keep the spirit alive but give it a cultural rebranding, rather then an attempted revival of historical imagery.

This
Fucking this.
Black pilling is just an increasingly common method of shilling. It's purely demoralization, a common propaganda technique in wars.

Love
Do you have a translation of each part? Trying to learn sprekken Deutsch. Thanks.

That's a funny way to say we should fight stupider and not smarter. I wonder who could be behind this post.

No, our duty is save the our race, and for that you need to win.

Perhaps you should realize how political toxic the nazi image is. We can still follow the doctrine, and policy without having to wave those dead flags around like some autistic fucking retard who doesnt understand the importance of public image. If anything needs to be banned, its any fuckwad appearing at a rally waving that shit around.

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Alt-Right uses the Swastika and other NatSoc imagery to be edgy and collect a fanbase. But later they shit on actual National Socialism because they're all Jews.

You're either extremely autistic or a kike attempting to make us look terrible for the media, but Im leaning towards autistic. Its ok user, you'll understand public image eventually (hopefully)

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Kill all concern trolling kikes who want to sell you anything less that the ultimate source of your power.

Mr. Rockwell sure got far with that strat. It worked so well even getting assassinated didn't propel him to martyrdom status and not a single person in his party got elected into anything.

Rockwell is still revered to this day, you limp wristed eunuch.

True..but is the message to blame or the presenter of it? Let's find out?
Can you name your critique against National Socialism?

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Do you really think there is an easy and quick way to defeat the jews? Of course you don't, you're a concern trolling shill.

You cannot save the white race without defeating the jews. You cannot defeat the jews if the general public remains programmed by the jews.
Deprogramming the white masses is necessary to save them. Otherwise they'll continue to willfully walk right into the slaughterhouse.

If anyones shilling for ZOG here, its the retards that are seriously suggesting flying the flag at political events. You might as well be broadcasting to everyone that you like touching little kids and expecting them to take you seriously after. You dense fuck.

Yes it is, i don't disagree. But will people heiling and hoisting swastikas lead them towards NatSoc, or rather along the already established anti-NatSoc kike narrative they've been contaminated with for decades? Think very hard about the outcome of your actions.

NatSoc must be brought to the public in a way they swallow it, not by playing along with Hollywood memes. It isn't about denying NatSoc or what we believe in, our ideology is what it is, however it's about making that ideology attractive to the outside. You don't defeat the jews by playing into their established narrative and make normalfags believe that kikes are correct about you.

the only reason people associate legitimate natsoc symbols like the swastika with anything but nobility is the jewish lies surrounding them. easy enough solution: educate the people. why not educate them instead of capitulating to Jews and hiding our symbols?

Not showing up at all and simply flyer information flyers whilst looking like a respectable human would be much better youtu.be/WgcngfETl_Y

They are so programmed they recoil on hearing the word nazi truedemocracyparty.net/2012/06/red-cross-expose-judaic-holocaust-hoax/

ps, you only give them fuel, why dont they just go assassinate some of the ring leaders that organize the thing, they are fighting like a Napoleon era group whilst the opposite side is employing 21 century propaganda drowning out any voice opposing

Partly correct. Education must happen to those who can be educated, however everyone here should know about the Bell Curve at this point, and the majority of white people are simply mediocre IQ normalfags. That's sad but it's true, and in order to win these people over in a propaganda war, you need to make things attractive for them, and that won't happen through just education, but PR. We need them. Attacks must happen from all sides, for both PR and Non-PR redpills, from normies, to smart people to radicals, from education to memes. All of them need a NatSoc package according to their flavour, and it's our job to deliver it with a tip top taste.

You are ruled by Hollywood.
Hollywood can produce anything and you will cuck, cuck.

The way to go is to show that Hollywood is wrong.
The way to go is to teach the world the audacity of the kikes to besmirch one of our most holy symbols.
The way to go is to become an insurmountable bulwark against the forces that want to diminish the radiance of our icon by even the tiniest iota.

Yeaaaaah no. That wastes too much time – trying to re-package NatSoc to everyone's individual taste. Let's just give everyone the full, naked truth and go from there? :)

Any white country can do this.

If you allow jews to use the accusation of being a 'Nazi' against you, then you'll never get anywhere. We must strip the jews of that control word.

If you try to avoid the label, you're allowing the jews to keep using it against you. You're allowing them to always put you on the defensive with the accusation.

It has to be something that every white American can relate to

NatSoc was created for the world, not just Germany. The Swastika is the original symbol of the Aryan people. America will become communist and altright but you dont think we can make it NatSoc? Interesting...

So much has to happen before it gets to that point.

You know how much society will have to decay to get there?

Have you considered killing yourself? Why drag things out?

I'd say that's pretty limited

You are talking to a walking corpse.
Italy and Japan weren't German, either.
And they went along for the ride.
The dead cannot listen and should go to sleep instead of walking the earth.

To be fair, there have been billions of variations of the black sun and swastika throughout history, right? So why not at least come up with a new design? Just please don't unironically use a heil hoitler design just because of it being funny, actually make it look interesting and specifically relate to America in some way or another, or you're not being genuine about this movement like what Evola prescribed and are just going for mimicry without any real heart to it.

not an argument.

National Socialism was designed to save the entire world from International Jewry: first Germany, then Europe and then elsewhere.

The only argument against NatSoc is optics. The only reason NatSoc has bad optics is Jewish lie. Lies are easily destroyed with the truth. Bad optics are not a problem.

thats a good compromise

The swastika as it was used in WW2 is the purest and had the most power, obviously.
Regain control of yourself.

There is no mumbo jumbo.
Your own control has been exorcised.
The normalfags control you.
The jews control you.
Hollywood controls you.
You are not a person anymore. You can only bend to the will of others.
A zombie that walks the earth and wants to spread your disease to others.
It stands to reason that you cannot stand the pure radiance of the sunburst, the swastika, the holy light that sears evil.

Exactly, only in a way where we think about how we present it to whom. No denying, no cucking, no lying and without changing NatSoc idelogy, but with a thought of "whom do i want to reach?". You don't change the core or the pill, just the outer shell to make them swallow it easier.

It's not about avoiding the NatSoc label, be a Nationalist and Patriot proudly. However, make it appear attractive. Everyone knows exactly what the "Right" is about, even normies know very well and many still are alright with it, but if you LARP it just puts them off hardcore. Americans should have long ago come up with their own symbol of Nationalism in the first place.

Jews control everything by lying.
So give the people the truth and destroy Jewish lie?

whats so hard about that?

Research The Third Wave. I'm going to make a thread about it sometime, but in a nutshell a highschool teacher was able to turn his classroom into high-performing, highly-engaged, and highly-motivated NatSoc-esque youth with the glorification of Discipline, Pride, and Unity within a week. It spread like wildfire, the Jewish students literally hated it on a visceral level enough to get their rabbi involved, and was only stopped because the teacher was frightened of his own creation. Naturally it has been taught in schools as a warning against 'fascism' for decades now, but if you read the original account there is nothing but good effects that come from it - effects that Holla Forums talks about all along.

Anyway, that's the key to promoting Holla Forums ideals - ignore the bullshit that pulls you into defending yourself and your ideas as 'not bad', but rather focus on the virtues and strengths of your efforts and by so doing you attract the admiration of the masses who are starving for inspiring leadership. It can be done with any symbol that captures the imagination, so the whole debate about whether to switch it out or not is moot when it comes to how to act as a noble and driven soul towards the betterment of your Nation.

sure im good with this. what are some of your ideas tho? i mean… we could spread natsoc to blacks by educating them about the jews' control over american slavery.. but who else?

It's more than a compromise, it's evolution. Think of it this way, if you do a good enough job with it, the analogy to make here is that:
"Patriarchy" is to Goyimtavistock as the Swastika is to whatever new symbol is made. In other words, in the same way that "gamertavistock" got thrown around to the point where it became the new "patriarchy" in the minds of a variety of leftists, the symbol you make will become the new "swastika" in their minds, while making them even more ridiculous because normalfags can clearly see it as not being the same as the swastika.

You're being an autist, user. Hitler decided on a symbol for his own movement, as you should yours. You need to evolve and transcend the swastika in order to truly make Uncle Hitler proud of you.

National Socialism is not simply anti-Jewish. It wasn't designed merely to defeat the jews, but to carry the German people forward in a time when there were no more jews to be defeated. In that respect, National Socialism was a system for germanic people.

White people in America are predominately Anglo-Saxon or straight up Germanic, with the plurality being Germanic. As such, an American National Socialism would have many similarities to German National Socialism, but it wouldn't be identical.

That wasn't the goal. That "the left are the real racist" shit doesn't work. It's boomer tier. It started out as a protest of removing the Lee statue and grew into a White Nationalist rally.

I'm of two minds on Nazi symbolism. On one hand I don't give a fuck what people think. The line has been drawn. The alt-lite, cucks, and normies will be forced to choose sides eventually. And they'll make their decision based on their personal character and intelligence. Shocking or offending them with swastikas gives me little concern. It's also something impossible to police at a public rally. On the other hand, this isn't the fucking 1930's. It seems a lot like LARPing. Even a stone cold National Socialist in America should get behind defining their own style, symbols, and brands. It also flies in the face of the movement. The third reich was Germanic in focus. An American movement shouldn't rely on century old German nationalist material. Be original. Stop aping them. In the end, it really comes down to what works. What advances the agenda. I personally don't think the Nazi stuff does. I don';t think it moves the Overton window. Maybe as shock and awe online. But at a rally that is supposed to show legitimacy and reason? It turns people off. It's too big a leap. You have to move the window slowly. I could be wrong. Doesn't really matter. Anyone who would object will be gone soon.

The hell? "G a t e" is wordfiltered to "Tavistock"?

good strategy i think

Everything the Germans face we now face: poverty, rampant degeneracy, Jews and even ANTIFA. The kikes have re-created pre-Hitler Germany and we should take full advantage imo.
what are some of the changes?

And how did he stop it? He stopped it by pointing out how similar it was to National Socialism. The participants felt deceived, and quickly rejected it.

If you don't deprogram people, free them of the "Nazi" taboo, you allow the jews to stop any progress you've made dead in the water by pointing out that you're a 'Nazi'. As soon as they do, people will recognize that as the truth and abandon you. Unless they've been deprogrammed.

To make any meaningful progress, you need to disarm jewish anti-NatSoc memes.

I fully agree.

Well for one, all the industrial/economic stuff needs an overhaul. The impact of automation on labor must be addressed, the situation is bad now but it will be even worse in 15 and 50 years from now. Tech and the internet were unaddressed by 1930s National Socialism.

You also have distinctly American traits that need to be accounted for. America has more wilderness, it's people are accustomed to less government, far less central planning. These properties of the American people can't be caulked up to jewish influence, nor can they be written off as harmful traits requiring correction. They are natural consequences of America's geography and history as a frontier. American National Socialism would need to be mindful of these deep-seated wholly American traditions and inclinations. It would need to work with the American mentality, not against it.

>chalked up

Do both. Spread NatSoc ideologies like user said and apply them while disarming jewish nati-natsoc propaganda step by step. It should have even more effect if they see the good effects before they even knew what it was about, or at least you can make them question everything easier afterwards. You can use gat eways as these that ultimately lead up to the jewish question sooner or later.

I see what you're saying. NatSoc needs an update, especially American NatSoc. That's fair permitted we aren't also reforming NatSoc or its basic tenets/structure.

I have no problem with the swastika, but I also see how it looks to normalfags. IRL is not the internet. There's a big difference between nazifrogs online and people waving 3rd reich flags IRL.

It's not because the message is wrong. It's just that it's fundamentally not american. We need to create our own symbols that are based in american traditional history. Something that we can fly without baggage that says "this is new, but still distinctly american". There have been plenty of fascist/nationalist movements, and they didn't all need to fixate on Hitler's aesthetics exclusively.

It's not "muh PR". It's just that we need something new for ourselves. We need to look forward rather than always dwelling in the past. I'm just at a loss for what our americana symbolism should be. The national socialists took the colors of the german reich's flag and turned it into something new that was still german. We need to do something like that ourselves.

Revered by who though? The people who revere him in death are the same people that would revere him in life. His death didn't gain him any followers. Outside of far right circles he's literally unknown to most people, and the people that do know of him just think of him as 'that kooky neo-nazi guy.' A martyr becomes more powerful in death than in life, and GLR lost all of his power in death. His party splintered and his followers were pretty much powerless until the advent of the internet.

You're hitting the nail on the head right here as to what this thread (I think at least) was supposed to be about. The problem with natsoc isn't the message, the message is the closest to truth our people have ever been, at least in modern times. The problem is the presentation, and this is what I think OP was trying to tackle. It's still possible to keep the message of natsoc pure while changing the aesthetics and presentation to fit our time and place. Acting like you're in 1920s Germany isn't going to do much good in 2010s America, even if there are some parallels between the two.

The problem here is that people here are more focused on the means than the end, which is interesting as it’s more indicative of a fascist outlook than a natsoc outlook. For a fascist, the goal is not important, the means are. It doesn't matter who the fascist fights or what his people achieve, just that they do it with power and speed as a unified force.

-Benito Mussolini

This is a Nietzschean view of the world, one where the goal is not important. Take the Overman for example. What makes him special is not his goal, but rather the fact that he "overcomes" the human condition. The means of what he's done is the essence of his very existence. Remember what the Protocols say of Nietzsche, they name him outright as subversive and Judaic. The essence of natsoc is not how we accomplish our goal, not the means; the essence is that we accomplish our goal by whatever means we need.

-Adolf Hitler

-Alfred Rosenberg

Hitler was no Nietzschean. He was the philosophical disciple of Dietrich Eckhart, who himself was a disciple of Arthur Schopenhauer. Nietzschean fascists reach back to Rome and seek to make men the slaves of their spirits, which may be an improvement over the modern era where men have no spirits, but it’s inferior to Hitlerian natsoc. Hitler reached back even farther, to Aryan prehistory. We neither want man enslaved to spirit or man devoid of spirit, we need man to become one with spirit.

-CG Jung

Don’t be a slave to symbols. The goal is more important than the means, if we succeed in liberating our people and conquering our (((foes)) then our actions will be lionized regardless of whether you toed the orthodox 1920s NSDAP party line or not. Do what needs to be done, do it with nobility and honor, but don’t forget why you’re doing it. There’s a legitimate criticism to be had of PR-fags, people who are more concerned with PR than actually accomplishing their goal. But using PR doesn’t make one a PR-fag. PR is a tool like any other, and it’s a tool we’ll have to use. If you think Hitler didn’t use PR, then you’re off your rocker and you need to do some more reading.

Nietzsche was a good friend with Zvi/Ginsberg, he idolised Marx, and one of his books includes the biggest "hoax" in time.

Fucking kill yourself.

abandoning natsoc symbols is a slippery slope to abandoning natsoc ideology

It's not about abandonment, don't abandon it, but rather making an American one that Americans can connect with. I mean Japan and Italy didn't use German swastikas either.

When TRS first started shilling here its one of the first things they pushed. Trying to shit on Hitler and talk about how the swastika is bad. I'm not sure if its them again or reddit but this cancer needs to be driven out.

Unabashedly using the swastika is the quickest way to signal, "Yes I am a national socialist and yes I think jews are a problem." Trying to act like a bunch of kikes and fool people into thinking that we're not really national socialists or some bullshit is detestable and cowardly.

interesting approach. will do more research

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There is nothing about modern America that I respect. It is an utterly diseased culture promoting degeneracy and weakness over moral fiber and strength. What do you actually respect about our society at this point?

Ever stopped to think that using that very flag gets people wondering WHY?
Why would someone throw away their public image, for the Bewegung?
Maybe because they believe in it so strongly and that there are so many lies about it, that's its really one of the only ways to get the point across?
To get people curious and looking.

And we have succeeded at that god damnit, with praise unto Kek, Tet and all the old gods for our successes so far. I have been protesting since early 9/11 days and have never seen such a ripe climate for national socialism.
I never thought we'd see what is happening today, in my wildest dreams but I never gave up fighting for it, regardless - Trump, pedos under attack, kikes under attack, a growing movement, large torch rallies and all this shit going down.
You are here. Now.
It is happening.
And National Socialists will ensure this.

This
It's also an amazing filter for those who are dedicated.

If you want people to stop using swastikas, give them a symbol with greater resonance. Can't do that? Shut the fuck up and join those willing to raise a noble banner.

also this

Same reasons antifa flies commie banners and Trump supporters where MAGA hats. The fuck do you mean "strategic idea"? Do you have autism or something? It's the symbol of what we believe.
It isn't and never has been. You're fucking stupid.
Your just stating facts here. Your premise is correct but your conclusions reek of newfaggotry and you should lurk and think more before attempting to contribute to discussion.
They were unironically White Nationalists. They were fine (mostly young) men and women who were out there unashamedly speaking their thoughts and feelings. It was beautiful to watch while it lasted, before the commies and local government (((shut it down))). And yes, a lot of them were Nazis, or had Nazi sympathies, as they should because the Nazis were the good guys dipshit. Lurk more and figure that out.
No, it did help. There are more racially aware people in America than you think, and this huge show of force will embolden the previously quiet and afraid even more than recent events already have. Also, you don't have to be such a pushover and a faggot. You need to speak the truth, stand up for what you believe in, and make no apology for it. Because it's the right thing to do, and there is no other way towards victory. We won't accomplish anything if we attempt to be (((moderate))).

You are way too new to be posting. It's very clear to me that you started coming here this summer, and you're still trying to work things out. Lurk more, and maybe actually read Mein Kampf or some Julius Evola or some Nietzsche, like uncle Holla Forums has been telling you to. Maybe then it will become more clear to you. I'd highly recommend "Thus Spoke Zarathustra" by Nietzsche for an understanding of the grave conflict we are currently in. We are the Over Men, or Ubermensch, and our opposition are the Last Men. READ NIGGA, READ!

Well said.

Then you will always lose as you will be unable to attract more people to your cause.

If you cannot be constructive, then leave. You are not doing anyone any good here.

I get that. That's not the "issue" I have with it. My critique is that national socialism was a specifically German thing. We need to "americanize" it. And that means having our own symbols based in american tradition and mythos. Tribal identity (ie, we're americans) is a separate issue from raw ideology.

I'm not saying "hide" our support of national socialism. I'm just saying we need our own aesthetic. I'm not saying I want to purge all traces because muh PR, I must stress.

Trump should force unemployed anti-far to work at migrant labor jobs along with the rest of the unemployed.

That's a discussion for another thread. In fact, we've had countless threads on that exact topic in the past several years.

If you think the Swastika isn't the best symbol for American National Socialism, then provide us with a better option. Until a better symbol comes along, we're going to continue using the best we've got.

honestly it's fucking easy to berate and belittle and shit all over other people, but it gets you no where in the real world. the way to advance your cause, your race, is to be better than them and people will look up to you and follow. you don't "win" by putting other people down, you WIN BIG LEAGUE by rising above it and making more money/ having more kids/ controlling politics etc etc. instead of telling gays and kikes to fuck off, walk the walk and fuck them up for real. man up or shut up.

people latch onto the swastika or make fun of fatties or whatever cuz it's easy, your beliefs may be accurate but it doesn't meant shit until you produce actual, practical results. don't cry about the game even if they cheat and it's bullshit, just win it. ya it's hard to win so fucking what, just do it

I could tell by your first post that you where a kike. You coward and cry thanks to the beautiful symbol that is the swastika.

No who is attracted to the cause of Amercanism is a worthy ally. From its founding, this country has stood for ignoble, liberal values with a degenerative culture diverging from the heritage of European nations in service of masonic plots to support a new world order. The America we see today is exactly what was destined at its creation.

The only noble path is the path of European cultures.

You know the symbol itself is powerful because the kikes have spent all of their resources trying to demonize it.

You are so fucking obviously from T_D it fucking hurts. This is not 4chan, go the fuck back.

I'm liking this. Doesn't even immediately conjure up Hitler, but definitely still has the Swastika's impact.

youtube.com/channel/UCZ3uv0yolhowlQyLX_S-V5w
Looks like some artist making up symbols for stuff. Polite sage because I've been flooding this generally shit-tier thread.

This whole thread is cancer, most people dont even realize the protest was against Jews removing white culture and statues of confederate heroes, as if its somehow racis.The tiki torch guys all surrounded the statue. Pay attention, Jews are playing you like a fiddle. Why does this anti-natsoc garbage even have 400 replies, use the report button and sage your posts. This is the exact same trs bullshit from months ago. Muh 88 hurts white people! Remember, Holla Forums is a civic nationalist board and black people are based! Along with zionist jews, who will stop white genocide for us. amirite?

Also anyone who suggests National Socialists have anything to hide should be gassed. Theres people in this thread who suggest Rockwell was doing whites a disservice by organizing rallies and spreading the good word etc. Scum.

It's been a full day, but:

As I repeated multiple times, I know I used bad phrasing. What I was trying to imply was not that racism is bad or that whites aren't racist.

I was trying to express the idea of waking average white people up to the fact that basically everything in their education and in the media that they watch is anti-white. That it is entirely acceptable to be anti-white. That the company they work for is probably anti-white, and the shows they watch are anti-white, and the people teaching their children are teaching them to hate themselves for being white.

How is this not the most obvious redpill vector for the average white person?

I'm trying to say that you can win a ton of people to the side of white acceptance, and then white pride, and eventually white nationalism by showing them these things - but as soon as you fly a Swastika, you trigger their indoctrination.

What is the goal? What are you actually fighting for?
Do you actually want to save the white race, or do we want to jerk off to an unironic belief in the magical power of a symbol while white people die out?

Even from the political perspective of advancing NatSoc policy… does anyone actually believe they can build a political party around actual German NatSoc symbolism?

Do you think National Socialism could even work in a country as diverse as the US in its current state? Should the first goal not be to build a culture of non-degenerate white people who actually bother to have children and know enough to keep their kids from being indoctrinated against their own race?

I like how emotional you get.

In the strict sense you're right, but at the same time he was apparently the first one who created a kind of secret society in Europe based on numerology and arcane grades. Of course it's kinda tenuous, but the Masons are not completely wrong in making him one of their ancestors I think.

In he long run, this is unfortunately true, although no-one lost as hard as the Brits.

Indeed.
HEIL HITLER

the eternal /x/ strikes again
You'll hang on the DOTR, faggot

Ankhs and crosses make kikes butthurt, but nothing makes kikes butthurt like the hakenkreuz.

Wrong. He decided on a symbol that gives us immense power.
You're the autist if you think anything can top one of our most holy and powerful icons.

It's an incredible source of power.
What if spears had the same "connotation" as swastikas.
Would you say "well spears might be pretty much king of melee weapons but we should use whiffle bats, instead".

Why am I even arguing with you. You are scared of your own strength, only you are not.
Nobody would turn down a battery that supercharged them.

If you cannot handle the swastika then you belong in the group that gets seared by it's radiant light.
It is as simple as that.

You are at least partly corrupted and ruined. If you're white/of native European to begin with.

If you are, and you cannot embrace an *actual symbol of our power* then you're partway ruined.
Partway in the grave. You don't want the best for yourself or you kin. You want something watered down. You fear strength. You fear scaring away sheep, why?
Why don't you want to turn the sheep into wolves? Why do you want them to remain sheep?

Everybody could pick up the swastika in NatSoc Germany and enjoy its immense power. It was there, ready to be grasped.
From the lowest peasant to the highest echelon.

An engine that drove our people to the summit of existence, as much as it was possible for such a small nation and it's allies.

Whoever cucks for anything less for some shitty whipped up new age bullshit cannot be right in the head.

Did you draw a dick on that pharaoh?

Yawn. You're boring.

this dubs confirm it
Swastika is the supreme symbol

Every fascist movement (and natsoc is a variant of Fascism) has made their own symbols and laws for their own particular country. There is no reason why we can't use our own symbol and invent our own movement while still saying Hitler did nothing wrong. You people need to remember that the commies are ugly degenerates who look insane, while the natsoc wore snazzy uniforms and had beautiful architecture in contrast to soulless commie blocks. Our movement needs to follow the ideas of Aryan beauty while at the same time holding an classical American flair that would seek to restore our national identity. That's what the natsoc did for the Weimar republic and it's what we need to do for America.