Holla Forums (4chan) is planning a second revolution

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we need our own revolution.

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reminds me of those old "WE ARE ANALMOSE. WE DO REVOLUTION. WE DONUT FORGIVEN WE DONUT STOP REMEMBERING. ERECT US." videos

Don't you want to defeat idpol?

I ain't clicking that link. I've already had my daily recommended dose of sodium

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Then if you're in America just tell banter them going

"Yeah. Holla Forums! Up the Holla Forums!"

Just mock them

"Glad to see you're out of the basement and stopped eating chicken tendies"

"NEET SOCS"

or something like that

Fuck's sake lad.

I'd probably fight if global unrest sparked, fuck knows who I'd end up fighting for in the UK clusterfuck.

You know, if there's one thing I'm looking forward to about this election, it's getting to watch the entire population of Holla Forums getting gunned down by the feds when they try to do uprising.

now what is it?

That'd be fantastic. Think of the interviews.

Why not both?

Oh shit

Hey, what's wrong with enjoying the sight of your enemies killing each other?

Oh shit.

Brace yourselves.

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No which is it?

Oh, for fuck's sake

Y u do dis

As KEK wills it

flagging false as shit

Fuck you.

because the only logical conclusion would be that the most the police would do to pol is putting them outside of the front line so they can haul ammo for their nigger killing sprees


it's that Holla Forums is such a fucking idee fixΓ© to you that you drop all what you previously claimed just to allow yourself a masturbartory fantasy about them getting killed

the cardinal sin of anti-semitism can only be deconstructed as a farce of jewish power by awareness and bravery. intelligence is pointless in defeating it, when unaware, it will only be used to spin ever greater narratives of cognitive dissonance

It's deeply amusing to me that a bunch of NEETs on Holla Forums simultaneously view themselves as both freedom fighters against tyranny and oppressed by the weak.

Except nobody here says that and you're getting your bullshit mixed up again, polack.

The police are the defenders of capital.

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Why would I be against police violence if it works towards my end? I'm not opposed to violence on principle, I'm opposed to violence that works against my interest.

On subhuman countries like Brazil? Sure. You also won Russia during WW1 and then nothing else when you actually Theorized that all rich countries would be joining your Communist revolution.

End result was years of butthurt form the Frankfurt school.

fbi pls go

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when i feel like hurting you, i will kick over the trash can

The rich countries actually did come very close to joining the Communist revolution (Germany, Italy, and Spain all had mini-revolutions happening at one point or another).

Who's to say things wouldn't play out in the socialists favor the second time around?

I know you literally JUST got off the boat from Holla Forums, but please read a fucking book.

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brazil does have a lot of dogs and monkeys in it =/ try i dunno large portions of the middle east all of latin america swathes of europe a couple african countries india china japan all of which have already established socialism (or pseudo-socialism) or are headed that direction
you obviously understand nothing about marxism if you think the idea was that this was going to be easy and quick

Anarchy in the UK!

Yes, I'm familiar with autistic tantrums.

Gommunism akbar

the rhetoric rises

even an autist can spot your end and your main interest as a food source

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Hm… If that last graph is at all accurate (which I have my doubts on) average rate of profit should be about 0 by 2144. That's actually not a very good regression model if we've barely been over the line in the past 50 years, I bet it'd be sooner.

I wish socialism were inevitable within my lifetime, but hey, we can bring it around sooner than that if we try, and worst case scenario my grandkids will live to see it.

Actually now that I think about it the line would only have to be close enough for a recession to hit 0 or negative for capitalism to collapse completely. All we'd need is a well-timed bust far enough along. But I'm a hopeless romantic and would like to see humanity change for reasons other than necessity.

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this, leave the cringe LARPing bullshit to /po/ morons.

sometimes i wonder whether halfchan will see a swing against this reactionary edginess like the one against atheism, or whether it'll just continue to get stupider.

Yes, thank you for reminding me it was communism, and not all the Frankfurt bullcrap. That just led to a net decrease in human happiness.


Honestly? Nothing strictly says so. But story repeats itself and as Frankfurt noticed, people were happier with Capitalism.
But lets see if all this propaganda has served to change minds of people.


Throwing a figurehead for another isn't proof of change, you idiot. What's the point of saying you understand class struggles if you think throwing someone popular out of his chair will do anything?
If anything not having Mr.Dilma "When you look at a Man you see there's a Dog behind it" Rousseff is probably a strategic move since she was exactly this dumb.
It is compared to communism. I need remind you that they're going to die and thanks to increased communist presence any socialist movement is going to be hijacked to the extremes.

lol

If it was gonna happen, it'd have happened in the 19th century. Don't feel bad. The same thing happened with the slave state and feudalism. Hell, France didn't get rid of lingering monarchism until the 20th century, and they got started early.


Nigger, you seriously need to read a book. Or hell, an Holla Forums post even. Notice that Brazil was never socialist. (As a matter of fact, neither was the Soviet Union - not only was the MoP controlled by the bureaucracy and not the workers, but they still had production for exchange and the profit motive.) Anyway, you clearly have no understanding of what socialism is. It isn't when the government gives you welfare so you can spend it in markets (that's properly called Keynesianism) and it isn't when the government does stuff. The fact that the absurdly-mismanaged Soviet Union fell apart is not proof against the validity of socialist theory or the workability of socialist policy. Read a book.

you're thinking of leninists, which are dying/adapting

oh wow, lol

comrades the third revoultion is coming

I dunno m8, I think it can still happen in a bad enough recession with proper mobilization. If anything at all were to happen to America or China (or Europe) that'd get the ball rolling… Hell, China going back to Marxism just by itself would probably be the beginning of the end. In the disarray, the LARPers would rise up. One thing's for sure, the death of capitalism would have to begin in one of its three nuclei. A problem in Japan would probably not lend itself immediately to revolution but it'd be worth a shot at least.

Teehee

Needing help

It's possible, given that China is seeing enough falling demand that they've begun pushing credit spending onto their own citizens in order to prolong the system's survival. But the US is more likely to end up fucked in the short term, given how things are going domestically. Not even actual protectionism could keep the owners from shuttering the few plants left, not that any candidate is going to actually manage it and defy the reigning neoliberal order.

They are literally trying to get discredited and laughed at

I've never seen a group that prides itself on subversion be subverted so quickly by their selves

This collapse is hilarious. I want to see what they look like, I hope they go out with their trump shirts and airsoft guns

The human drive for freedom

I blame shills for this one.

no you don't

Holla Forums will free us from the shackles of Judaism

Yes I do I so do

Look around you Holla Forums, Hilldogg's gonna win, there's a call to arms and none of your buddies want to get involved.

Join us, we have edgy stuff over here too. We're the spectre haunting Europe!

This election is a fever dream.

Honest question:
Are you celebrating this because Donald Trump( PORKY! ) is losing, or do you actually like Hillary Clinton?

No one on this board likes Hillary, you fucking idiot. Hillary is also a porky, if you somehow failed to notice.

I'm not celebrating, all I've done ITT is agitate for class consciousness. I want people to ditch their reactionaries and ditch the system that holds us all back.

Hillary a shit.

Personally, I'm celebrating this for all the salt. HRC is an all-around horrible person and war criminal and her establishment will do nothing good for anyone but porky.

Now, Trump might actually be less worse, but it's a moot point because he's not likely to win and even if he did win he'd be powerless to actually overturn the relations of power in the present state of society. What's worse, if Trump did come to power, the left and the liberals would probably be galvanized in opposition to him (which would allow liberals to monopolize the opposition). On the other hand, if HRC comes out, liberalism and its defenders will just distance and alienate themselves more and more from ordinary people, which will likely strengthen the left, since normie voters aren't spooked reactionaries and neo-nazis like yourselves.

so you literally want black people shot dead in their churches

please hit the opium pipe and chill the fuck out

Hillary's awful, but I still early-voted for her because moral/ideological purism is cancer.

You either pick the person who will make things suck slightly less for the working class (Clinton) or, if you're feeling risky, you pick the person who you think will increase class tension to an extent that the masses will be easier to agitate and mobilize (Trump).

Jesus christ, I wonder when he realises the bourgeoisie doesn't have an ethnicity.

He'll be with us in no time.

Yes because globalism is doing such a GREAT JOB eh?

This looks like bait but we've picked up so many fucking redditors recently I don't even know.

I'd say Trump gives a shit more about the average American than Clinton.

The absolute mad man.

QUEER ULTRAVIOLENCE

Are you actually implying any high school student on Holla Forums is actually going to kill someone

Or is this thread just full of ironic shit posting from cross Holla Forums posters. Or not

I don't really care

Watching republican Christian teenagers get furious over politics they don't understand is always going to make me happy

We should probably shill 4pol, we only really do it when one of these threads crop up.

If a bunch of meth snuffing white supremacists can do it with nothing but an undiagnosed autism due to low intelligence surely we can out autism them.

Only if it means taking out reactionary groups like the KKK, hardcore christians and Holla Forumsacks as well.

I will not tolerate a world that makes Holla Forums or rad-tumblr happy, ever.

And you'd be correct
wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/4433
:^)

Clinton is at least paying lip service to ideas like healthcare reform, free college/university, student loan reform, increased regulation of financial institutions, community policing, investing in alternative energy, etc. And she doesn't want to fuck over all these immigrants, so that's good.

She'll probably try to enact legislation related to at least ONE of these things if she wants a second term, as well. Obama sort of kind of did it with ACA, so Hillary will probably do it with something as well.

Globalism is really behind every big traumatic event in recent history. It's why they try to control all media and make up hoaxes about millions of globalists getting killed in the 40s. Frankly, I support Trump but I doubt even he can do much against them since his whole family converted to globalism and he's been shown to have a personal history with globalist figures.

because creepy white kids have never done such before


there's gallows humor and there's laughing in obliviousness as a noose is tightented around your neck

It's always entertaining to attack Holla Forumsacks, who normally are enthusiastic supporters of genocide and anti-freedom in general, from the right, and see them whine about freedoms.

Hahahahahahahahahaha

Come hang me please

Doesn't surprise me. People complained about Trump being a rich egomaniac but since it's America that's actually a good thing. He doesn't need to line his pockets and it's obviously some legacy trip he's on. Clinton is a career politician and I'm surprised she has the emotional faculties to even feel hate.

it's not a threat, it's a warning. there's thousands of breiviks just waiting to be triggered

Hitler wasn't some bullied little nerd NEET though. He was tough before he even left school and addled with PTSD and shrapnel before he became interested in politics.

my heart of a lion pumps the blood of my noble viking peasants ancestors deep in my veins
when the day of the rope comes we will show no mercy, sorry communists nothing personnel

Oh I'm shaking

Wow, rather than going on a fucking rampage through DC? Great choice there.

good one

use this one next time tho

Actually, 100 million.
That's bad enough.

Which one of you made this thread?

boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/96572007#p96575740

his relationship with stephanie was classic r9k. he sperged out in school all the time.


was that what they song on utoya?

it's the release of fury, the furor teutonicus. the sniffing man has a webm on it. it's been building up for years and there's no reason to assume that this time in history it will be different

"was that what they song on utoya?" - the high Autism Level aryan genius who will lead the ranks to victory in the coming storm of steel

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I only knew about his dad beating him drunk so often he taught himself not to cry by 12.

There were some cool guys in that pol thread, some were a bit spooky but had their own ideas that differed from the concensus there, minorities tend to simply be the source identified for grievances there.

I also enjoy the Nazi Brit getting BTFO with a few sentences after graph posting.

The two Americans that didn't want to destroy everything good about the white race for the sake of preserving the white race were also comfy, one even dropped Nietzsches 'monsters' line.

have you learned from history then?


the promise of obscene enjoyment, the moonman, meme magic…

you don't understand the forces that are at play here

Pffff

bruh what are you even talking about just learn english πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

the promise of obscene enjoyment, the moonman, meme magic…

you don't understand the forces that are at play here

Yes, I believe it's called weaponised autism.

The reason I brought China up is because the return to Marxism is being seriously discussed by its technocrats. Not that the people of China get much of a say, but if they did do it it'd openly be an attempt to fuck over world capitalism, which they've been trying to do for a long time by devaluing their currency, etc.

I think you're overstating the issues facing the American economy. Bβ–ˆβ–ˆβ–ˆβ–ˆ has Hillary by the balls and will be the leader of the people even with her leading the government. If he makes a popular demand that America become more protectionist Hillary won't have much of a choice.
Really, the whole globalist system is fucked and I imagine Bβ–ˆβ–ˆβ–ˆβ–ˆ knows this- companies would just play shell games to get around almost all attempts at regulating it. But I think that requiring companies to put their headquarters where their employees are is a good start, and then requiring that any company operating here have a regional headquarters here, and then requiring that any company that has America as it's largest market be based here. I'm not a pol, that's just ideas. And if they were to work, I don't see why they wouldn't work. That was a stupid sentence you get what I was trying to say.
Kind of an "if you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine" situation, really. Ironically, Bβ–ˆβ–ˆβ–ˆβ–ˆ has somewhat more power to do what he needs to do in the current situation.

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I want this to happen so badly. Nothing could do more to make the right look like fucking idiots than edgy teen republicans who want to save the white race by getting state mandated gfs sperging out in public.

I actually wanna see that.

Bunch of NEETS, kids and wheezing neckbeards occupying the local GameStop and declaring their own libertarian-fascist utopia.

I want them to call one of their units Battletoads

That's not at all the case, my unread friend. The fact is that the US practically has no domestic manufacturing base any more, and the falling rates of profit are excluding an ever-increasing number of people from the economy. When the most and the newest plants are in China and India, what do you think will happen if the US tells global capital to fuck off? Moreover, what fucking leverage do you imagine Bβ–ˆβ–ˆβ–ˆβ–ˆ to have?

Don't be a muke. Read Marx.

Don't forget the plan, fellow commie.

that's only because your world isn't bigger than this corner of the internet


a violentless cult of violence can only be taken as reality in the leftist world of virtuality, in which everything is declared ironic or reasoned away by some formality that states that it's all totes not serious. this is how they can believe in things such as non-evil satanism, or in this case, violentless fascism.

It'd be more accurate to say that the US doesn't employ nearly as many people in manufacturing. US manufacturing output is at record highs, iirc.

Yeah, that's the contradiction at play here.

Yes, the greatest financial crash since the great depression, with rioting, armed mobs, and the day of the bucko being numbered.

I've lived most of my life overseas m8, I think i'm pretty gud.


Yes, I'm also an anarcho-capitalist, a vegan carnivore and a pedophile with a fetish for old women

and then jehovah returns and yall be judged


when you're in a bubble, it doesn't matter where it floats

Global capital would die because we're the center of it. IBM and all those other companies that do shit overseas have their main market here, and they can't survive without us.
All the leverage. He's already pressured Obama into taking a stand on pipelines and he didn't even have to make a serious push for it. Right now he's mainly shilling against private medical companies in what I assume is an attempt to ramp up to nationalization. Over half of the Democratic Party was with him and a good chunk more are much closer to him politically and voted Hillary because feminism or whatever, or value what he says.
I have read plenty of Marx, thanks for the daily dose of smugness though.

Right, which is why not a single fucking establishment politician is going to do that. Especially not HRC.
Show it to me. Where is this leverage?
For your own sake I hope that's a lie.

I'm implying this would come from the bottom up. Obviously the political system would not kill global capital.
I just did.
Yes, I have read Marx. I haven't said anything un-Marx unless you mean your super special snowflake interpretation of Marx.

Like a coup or something. I don't fucking know.

Boy this revolution is off to a good start.

You do understand what the word leverage means, don't you? What outcome could Bβ–ˆβ–ˆβ–ˆβ–ˆ ensure that would result in Hillary having not choice but to make America more protectionist?

Furthermore, why would a socdem reformist do this and not a communist of some stripe? Especially one that has proven willing to work with and endorse the devil due to his commitment to party politics?

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Haha, this is me shitposting.

We're coming for your toothbrush, we're gonna make everyone poor!

Is false.

There is no human drive for freedom. Or atleast, that drive does not exist in a majority of humans.

He is a gommie, he worked with a Communist party for years. He just keeps his more controversial opinions close to his chest like all pols do.
The future of the Democratic Party, the legacy of the Third Way, OR's influence on the down-ballot, threatening to try and primary her again.
Read his Boston Globe article.

and yet you've floated right into here.


Spooky.

See, that is admittedly indeed my problem with capitalism. It sounds good on paper, but when human corruption infects it, it turns into a system that exploits and fucks the working class. It's a system which allows the more common people to gain more money under their ownwill, but it eventually becomes a monsterous entity, full of rich people looking to get more richer, at the cost of fucking over the working class.

My problem with the communist system, however, is that it's nigh-impossible for a working class to even be created in the first place. It's more like a glorified caste system to me. The government owns fucking everything, while the people don't own anything, but are """provided""" resources by the government. Unless you work for the government, chances are that you're gonna be among the poor, since you have no chances of making anything above what the government gives you.


Nobody is equal. No fancy idealogy is gonna make the fucking head of state equal to some douche that smokes weed all day. A classless system is impossible to create, because there will ALWAYS be someone who has more power over another person or people.

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Really makes me scratch my noggin.

You are mistaking "the communist system" for a Stalinist bureaucratic state capitalism. As a matter of fact, nobody has any real solid conception of such a thing as a "communist system," communism is simply what is believed to happen when you let socialism run long enough.

Now, as for the shape of socialism, there's no real need for centralized bureaucratic control, regardless of what the tankies might tell you. Depending on your take, the only necessary condition for socialism might be worker control of the means of production.

Socialism isn't an attempt to create equality out of a belief that equality is a goal in and of itself, but rather it is an attempt to eliminate the contradictions of capitalism by reordering the material basis of society. In this case, removing the ability of a single class to enjoy the exclusive benefit of technological advancement in productivity - in other words, the means of production.

This is what is meant by a classless system - the idea isn't that everyone makes the same amount of money or has the same job or is otherwise perfectly equal, but that all people have the same relation vis-a-vis the means of production. In other words, when you use a machine to produce a thing, you don't give away 90% of the value you produce using that machine to a capitalist because he has some vague claim of """ownership.""" This state of affairs naturally leads to falling rates of profit and leads to the sorts of crises we're seeing yearly nowadays.

Under a socialist system, then, you would get back all of the value you contribute through your work, minus costs for maintenance, social security, and so on and so on (sniff). The converse of this is that if you don't work, you don't eat. On the other hand, without exploitation an hour of work will be worth far more to the same worker than under the capitalist system, as what you get back for your hour is exactly as much as you could produce in an hour of work, meaning that as productivity increases, the amount of stuff your hour of work gets you also steadily increases.

In Stalin's absurd, revisionist take on this, this state of affairs was ensured by state control over the MoP under the assumption that the state and its bureaucratic elites were some sort of proxy for the workers that could be trusted to work in their interest.

Marx's Critique of the Gotha program is something of a good, brief view of what Marx himself viewed as a practical socialist system, though modern socialists have their own various ideas and developments of this that may diverge rather radically from the scheme first proposed in the 19th century.

There will be no revolution.
They are a bunch of socially repressed gun fanatics.
As soon as it comes time to start, not one keyboard warrior will stand up, brush the cheetos off their shirt, and go start an uprising.

No

Communism is a stateless, classless society. There is no government, at least in the sense of there being a higher state.

No sir, I wasn't talking about equality in general.

For example: One can of pepsi is the same as another can of pepsi, therefore, it's appropriate to say that the two cans of pepsi are equal in everything. It's value, taste, and volume, and etc are all equal to each other, since they are not differential to each other in any sort of way.

But it is not appropriate to say that a society of equality can be achieved. One guy might not be equal to another. You cannot say that a drunkard who beats his wife is the same as an engineer who is going on a steady diet, and is looking to find a wife.

Therefore, equality is unable to be achieved. To understand, you need EVERY single person to share the same values, Autism Level, beliefs, morality, etc in order for society to be equal. Most of all, they all need to be equal in power. No one person above another.

That's a little better explanation of this equality. I can understand why you'd support such a system.

But I still have a problem with this. What keeps this system from getting corrupted as well? We've already seen that Stalin's take on this was nightmarish and only created an society full of serfs. What can prevent something like that from happening again?

There can never be "no government". Either there is a government, or a government will eventually be made.

If you truly believe a govermentless society is possible, then you foolishly underestimate the human hunger for power.

There will be government, just not in the form of a state.

The problem with capitalism wasn't really that capitalism was corrupted. It didn't serve the interests of workers at all to begin with, particularly as conditions were especially ghastly during the early years of capitalism. The better conditions came as a reaction to struggle on the part of workers to shorten the work-day, increase wages, and so on, though as profits fall these gains will invariably be cut back in order to maintain profitability.

Rather, the inequality is built into the system. The capitalist system presupposes the institutions of class divison, private property and production for profit by definition. If we avoid this narrative of corruption and look simply at how the design of the system leads to its failure, then we can get at the root of the issue.

The problem with the Bolsheviks' system, and Stalin's in particular, was that instead of abolishing these institutions, it replaced them with other equally cancerous ones. It was their reliance on an authoritarian state with a monopoly on coercive force that was easily abused for the enrichment of a few over the many. In order to overcome this, I'd favour a system similar to what you can see in Rojava today, with strong gun rights, bottom-up institutions where collectives of workers decide the laws at the local level and strict limits on the use of coercive force against individuals.

Without a centralized state to exercise control over the MoP, you don't really have to worry about any Stalins showing up and fucking your shit up because even if they had the intention, they wouldn't have the means unless a majority of the people decided to support him in overturning the system that exists in order to create one that can be exploited by a minority. Practically speaking, I think that would be astronomically unlikely - for example, these days you don't see many people earnestly agitating for a regression to feudalism (over which capitalism was an improvement). Therefore, in this case the thing that you should fear is external threats, as we know from the unfortunate history of the socialist movement, which is why we probably won't see any socialist society until capitalism becomes utterly untenable, which may not happen for a while yet.

What's next, you're going to state that blacks are dumb because of their race?

Because like it or not, that's been debunked.

Or maybe you can judge people as individuals and not as groups of people?

Has that ever crossed your mind?

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