Would you be happy to live in a ethical capitalism system?, where poverty and hunger don't exist and people only work 3-4 hours, ecological problems don't exist, etc.
I know it is imposible, but if it wasn't would you be ok in a system where exploitation is still around or would you still complain?
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I alredy said it is imposible because most problems are alredy inherent to capitalism
Exploitation - profit, is the reason for these problems. The drive to generate profit is why poverty and hunger are still problems in this age of abundance, due to the need to drive down wages and due to the crisis of overproduction.
There can be no such thing as ethical capitalism. We already have a word for a system based off of capitalism but with its inherent contradictions resolved - this system is called socialism.
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So long as the capitalist mode of production endures, even a 3-4 hour work day would be exploitative.
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Well, hopefully people would be working on automating away those last 3-4 hours of work.
Of course, you haven't listed even a small fraction of the changes necessary to make human society into an ethical one. I wouldn't be happy to live in any system which preserves the cruel and barbaric "justice" systems we have today.
Anyways, let's assume your scenario is true: yes I would still oppose it. Ultimately my support for communism is not just a matter of attaining a better day-to-day life for working people: that's a step forward, but its not the end goal. It is the opposition of exploitation and oppression of one class over another that is of importance to me, which can only be resolved through the abolition of class society itself. You may be well fed / taken care of / comfortable under "ethical capitalism," but as a matter of preserving the capitalist system itself, you will be met with violence and oppression if you adopt a stance of opposition to that status quo.
To look at it from a more personal perspective, as a matter of life goal/purpose, I want to be in control. Not of other people, but of myself to the greatest capacity that is possible. As a matter of how the system itself is structured, that cannot occur under capitalism. If I am a worker, my livelihood will still always be beholden one way or another to the capitalists and my worth determined by how much wealth/power I can provide for them. If I'm a capitalist, then my life becomes dictated, as a matter of necessity in maintaining my class status, by the relentless pursuit of profits regardless of whether I find any personal satisfaction in the pursuit. Either way, I am made a slave; I will not glorify my chains just because they are gold-trimmed and lined with felt.
FUCKING SAVED MY DUDE.
Absolutely, in the same way I would like the powers of Doctor Manhattan so I can gangbang my gf and walk around swinging my blue dick. But it's not going to happen because such a system would mutate into mutalism/syndicalism/some other transitional socialist-lite thing or collapse as self-interest of the bourgoise overode the desire to be ethical.
I should be the king to tbh
I'd be much less horrified than I am today, but I'd still be sad and fighting to fix it. You'd still have a small elite ruling over the rest of us and trying to commodify everything they can. What happened to the internet over the last decade-plus didn't kill anyone, but it's still nothing to celebrate.
It would still assume violent private property rights, boom no ethical capitalism
But yeah I wouldn't mind it
Capitalism is by definition unethical.
If I had to be completely honest, I'd be OK with living in a capitalist system with a good ubi
how can you have "ethical slavery?"
I wouldn't complain, but that wouldn't change a damn thing: capitalism will not die because of our complaints, but because of its internal contradictions – the same contradictions that make your "ethical capitalism" impossible anyway.
On that site they don't accept spaces in tags you need to use ethical_capitalism.
I would be glad to live in an ethical capitalist society for the five minutes it exists, before it collapses back into inequality and disaster once the capitalists disregard moral principles and begin acting in their own self interest.
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What if profit was capped globally? You are allowed to make X a year, the rest is taxed. And no tax havens.
Sure I would be happy to live there.
But i'd also live under ethical Not Socialism where poverty and hunger don't exist and people only work 3-4 hours, ecological problems don't exist and the jews aren't gassed