Who was right?

Luis Collins
Luis Collins

tell friend idpol is a distraction
he asks why
say idpol confuses cause and effect and that although there are specific examples of certain identities being measurably disadvantaged because of that identity, that correlations between economic inequality and identities are the root of the problems idpol wants to fix
thus fixing economic inequality will eliminate the need for idpol
he disagrees and says that idpol is still useful and that it's necessary in tandem with anti-classism, that the two are much more separate problems than I think

Who was right?

Isaac Reed
Isaac Reed

idpol is all this board talks about im sick of it

i really don't care about your dumb argument

Ryder Edwards
Ryder Edwards

Fuck you, niggerbrains.

Jacob Bailey
Jacob Bailey

nice idpol

Gabriel Collins
Gabriel Collins

your friend is right.

Dylan Martin
Dylan Martin

You were. Idpol causes even more tribalism.

Kayden Perry
Kayden Perry

idpol is a non-issue in a true communist state.
You were correct.

William Brown
William Brown

Is there any sort of backup for that claim except 19th century literature? I mean, considering a communist society didn't exist on this planet so far.

Inb4 human nature doesn't exist
Depends of your definition, nature and nurture are a dichotomy that eventually shape who you are

Parker Peterson
Parker Peterson

I do not have any literature, but if you'd look at world around you, you'd realize that idpol is invention of late-capitalist society. It's problem of western countries and worst korea. Feminism in places like middle east is still movement for equality.

Jayden Parker
Jayden Parker

you'd realize that idpol is invention of late-capitalist society
This is partly true as the contemporary IdPol (feminism, LGBT, muh refugees) is clearly a result of capitalism, or however, an indication how liberal capitalism can hijack IdPol for D&C.

On the other side, however, IdPol is almost as old as civilisation itself, just the identities that are fought for are changing throughout history - while nation, gender or race are pretty modern identities, people used to fight for their religious community, tribe, clan or language group and bonded to their identy not unlike a postmodern feminist.

Jordan Allen
Jordan Allen

i find that most people do not understand what idpol is, and when you ask them to stop using it, the get confused and just scream at you for being a "liberal".

Ayden Parker
Ayden Parker

you'd realize that idpol is invention of late-capitalist society

please provide evidence for this

Chase Martin
Chase Martin

idpol is in human nature

Jordan Carter
Jordan Carter

it literally didnt exist before

Angel Garcia
Angel Garcia

Idpol is bad, but its not a distraction and your argument was bad.

Idpol is bad because it reinforces the hierarchies of capitalism. It takes race/gender as fact and seeks to integrate the racial hierarchy into idealist liberalism.

Who cares if people treat each other the same, if billions are on the brink of starvation.

Caleb Garcia
Caleb Garcia

seconded

Daniel Wright
Daniel Wright

nobody ever fought for their identity before capitalism

nigga shut the fuck up

Jaxon Richardson
Jaxon Richardson

billions are on the brink of starvation.

This is why you guys are a fringe group of loons like /pol/yps just on the opposite corner. You always always overstate your case.

If billions were literally on the brink of starvation, then capitalism would be on its last legs. Capitalism doesn't work if it starves everyone to death. There are millions on the brink of starvation, and there are billions of very poor people on low calorie diets who work in shitty conditions, but there aren't billions of people who haven't eaten for weeks and are about to die if socialism doesn't save them. If this were true, a spontaneous global revolution would be right around the corner.

Meanwhile, in reality, most people in first world countries even the poor are no where near starvation conditions. In third world countries people are just smaller and dumber because of what capitalism has done to them, but most Indians and Africans are not starving.That's a retarded Oxfam strawman vision of the third world. Persistent consistent mass starvation would lead to the collapse of capitalism. This is not how capitalism works.

You overstate your case so bad you end up undermining your own arguments (like /pol/ and its superhumanly competent subhuman joooz). If billions were going to starve soon, then capitalism would be near its end (and you've been saying that since you started, and we haven't even got into the declining rate of profit stage yet). If capitalism worked like that how the fuck would it consistently extract surplus value? The capitalists know that it's going too far to extract everything above reproduction, so they need to redistribute a little extra to pacify things, which is what they actually do, and more so now than in Marx's time. Security is really important to capitalists. The real bourgeoisie are not Randian Objectivists. That's just a religious superstructure element that is designed to make sure that the most radical petite bourgeois element that could throw their lot in with either class align their love of freedom with the haute bourgeoisie instead of the proletariat.

Jeremiah Parker
Jeremiah Parker

you're retarded for numerous reasons

the first two hits on ddg say that starvation/malnourishment affect 750-850 million people and is directly responsible for killing 3 million children a year

aside from that everything you said about capitalism shows how massive an idiot you actually are

read a book nigger

Grayson Campbell
Grayson Campbell

Never said billions were on the brink of starvation. I thought I was being clear, but I was painting a hypothetical about the future where racism has been done away without doing away with race (impossible). How will this new post-racist racial society deal with the influx of a hundred million refugees from south east asia as islands and coastal regions sink beneath rising oceans? What about the massive droughts that are becoming more and more common in some of the previously most productive farmland?

People generally don't die directly from starvation, they die of disease related to malnutrition. Persistent consistent starvation is a matter of course for capitalism.

Capitalism can certainly work if people starve to death after their contracts are over (see early imperial plantations in the americas)

(and you've been saying that since you started, and we haven't even got into the declining rate of profit stage yet).
Rate of profit has declined, the mass destruction of WW2 slowed down the decline of the rate of profit, but its falling every decade and the next wave of automation is going to fucking destroy profit.

Brody Fisher
Brody Fisher

idpol is in human nature
Not it's hyperbolic, retarded outgrowths of the last two decades but it is indeed in "human nature" to find yourself an in-group that is more or less defining your identity.

Luis Martin
Luis Martin

tell friend idpol is a distraction
Destruction, not distraction.

Alexander Campbell
Alexander Campbell

Idpol is a distraction because it cannot be effectively addressed without removing the power structures and exploitation inherent in capitalism first.

In a hypothetical socialist society with all citizens being equal, racism, sexism, etc. become solveable social issues that can be addressed through debate and discussion.

You can't do that under the hierarchies of capitalism, where those who control the wealth and power in society can be as racist/sexist/bigoted as they want, and can bake their prejudices into the structures of society as they see fit without fear of reprisal.

Blake Parker
Blake Parker

not understanding the link between class and race

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