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this is a bad image because the labor agitator responds to a fraction of his points, then shoots him. he doesn't address the main point the capitalist is making; that he does a lot of work and risks his capital to run the business, which guarantees his workers a salary they wouldn't have without him. I've been wanting a better version of this image for a long. a proper response would bring up the hypocrisy of a capitalist justifying his rightful ownership of a factory based of the labor he puts into it, while denying the same right to his workers. it would bring up the meaninglessness of risk as a ethical condition, and the lack of risk capitalists have with limited liability and modern laws and corporate structure, and how the whole system is fundamentally involuntary and coercive.
also "muh rights" is needlessly inflammatory. most normies like rights. when they hear about being able to speak their conscience and chose their beliefs without fear, and that they wont be arbitrarily arrested or given unfair trial or unfair sentence, being secure in their persons and belongings, they think that idea is swell.

Workers can take the same risksif they were the owners of the rest of the production forces

Now kill yourself

make an Oc then we can talk, stupid nazi

And of course the obvious response is that without the capitalist system and with a socialist one in place he would do that work and gain the fruits of that labour, rather than everyone elses, too. Also he wouldn't need to personally risk his own capital, as the collective of workers would 'risk' it. And finally, the other workers would not have someone skimming their surplus value created from them, so wouldn't need a salary from a capitalist.

You make good points, Nazi. When revolution comes, you will get state-issued robot gf.

commies BTFO'D
youtu.be/S6HEH23W_bM

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Bosses do perform labor, but it is not at all congruent with the amount of wealth they get. And it's not really the labor that gets them that wealth - a lot of capitalists just pay other people to invest money for them. Their function is to manage private property, but they're getting paid to own it, not to manage it.

Will lolbertarians ever accept that this isn't the 19th century, and that we no longer live in a world where most large corporate entities are founded and run by entrepreneurs?

I promise you will get state sponsored Robo gf in gulag
Or a state sponsored human gf but she has to be a gulag inmate as well up to you

you think you know better than some of the world's best thinkers?

Now this is how you bait

Porky's overhead comes from dealing with other porkers who rip off their respective set of slaves, also he doesn't fucking pay dick in taxes compared to the revenue he has. The proles pay it. Also, the man who owns the factory is not the guy usually yelling at the slave it's another extremely class unconscious petit-bourgeoisie wannabe that does it. The pig shows up once in a while to agitate and fire people.

it's right there on their youtube channel page!

Wow I just puked a little

Every Prager U video makes me glad I'm not capitalist. I'd have an impossible time trying to defend such flimsy propaganda. It's hard not to see through this shit when you're seriously poor.

FUCKING REKT

National """Socialism""", everyone.

That is false. The people who make clothes aren't the same people who constructed the building they're working in, nor are they the same people who built the sewing machines.

This is the only true statement.

No they don't, they aren't engineers.

No, the owner had to buy this from somewhere else.

The guy is entirely missing the point of the fact that the owner had to buy all of that stuff, something the workers would never be able to do themselves since they're not rich enough.

"I had to pay 5 million for this plant and the machines and the raw material"

what the fuck, I meant to write some dumb smiley face, not draw out four leaf clovers what the fuck is this?

shig
Also, a perfect meritocracy wouldn't even work. it would be too shameful to stand for most people, to fail at life and to know it was 100% your fault with no influences outside your control

every example you just listed is done by workers lel
even most managers are wage earners (albeit with above average labor-power)

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Does anyone have the comic of Karl Marx talking with some little boy and it features images of people selling things like Pro-black and feminist t-shirts and hats?

Except Harry doesn't pay his $23,450, he commits tax evasion and uses economic loopholes until Tom and Dick pay 80% while he pays 2%. This leaves the project only 82% done leaving the streets still broken and their neighborhood still ridden with crime.

Meanwhile 10 years ago Harry had cheated his way so high up in rank he only works 12 hours a week in an office while a group of other carpenters do the work for him. While his wife sits at home raising the 4 spoiled brainwashed idiots who made this video.

I mean do you really think it's the 1% who are voting for equal taxes? Of course not, while they sit in their "private homes" aka mansions, the 99% that work for them labor tirelessly and have to pay a majority of it because they don't have say in it. The people who were "democratically" chosen as our congressmen and presidents were payed into office by the 1% to perpetuate the corrupt plutocracy that made our country so awful. Like the street the 3 brothers live on our country has fallen to pieces, and it's all thanks to the corporate shills and the sheep like imbeciles who spread their pro-"capitalist" lies.

Next time actually try. Oink Oink.

I just watched the whole thing, the video uses the same old meme that the rich work harder for their money so taxing them is inmoral.

That university should be set on fire with the people that make this videos inside.

I like how we perpetuate this problem through democracy tacitly, society laudes and puts businessmen on a pedestal, the kind of exploitative parasite who has lived a life off the backs of others and the supporters whose blood are being sucked by these leeches will tell you that these vampires have entrepreneurship and know how to make tough business decisions. Like dodging income tax via capital gains and writing off fine dining and luxory hotel stays as business expenses on their tax returns.

It may not be those workers specifically, but it's workers nonetheless. The point is that the capitalist himself doesn't do fuck all. Workers built the factory, maintain it, extract the raw materials, make the products, etc. The capitalist may fill a managerial role that he deserves to be compensated for, but a manager isn't the same as an owner. Anything he invests in the enterprise is returned back to him by the value created by the workers, so his investment is ultimately meaningless aside from being necessary to get the enterprise off the ground. But once he breaks even for if he keeps recieveing profits then he is effectively parasitizing the workers. As for him risking his capital, you're right, it is a risk. But the thing is that if he loses it all then he's basically just in the same position as an average worker. I could also take a page from Rousseau here and point out that nobody asked this tool to undergo such a financial risk, he did it totally of his own accord, so it's idiotic for him to demand that other people reimburse him for a risk he decided to take on his own. It would be like changing somebody's oil without their permission and then demanding $50 from them.

He's not referring to the factory workers specifically, but the workers as a class. Wage earners. Wage earning workers built the factories and machines, the capitalist class did nothing, but shuffle paper around, if that (they usually hire accountants).

Engineers are also wage laborers.

Once again, workers as a class. Wage earners from somewhere else extracted the raw materials, likely handing them over to another capitalist in exchange for a wage.

They're not rich enough because of this very system of private property where all the wealth flows into the hands of a narrow few.

It's literally just a series of right-wing propaganda videos made by Dennis Prager and his buttbuddies that they named "Prager University" to make it seem more academic and official.

prageru.com/
>PRAGER UNIVERSITY IS NOT AN ACCREDITED ACADEMIC INSTITUTION AND DOES NOT OFFER CERTIFICATIONS OR DIPLOMAS.

The only thing "academic" about it is that they lobby to get schools to show his right-wing propaganda in schools.

Is Prager that one guy who fucked dudes on a boat?

I've never heard of any sex scandals linked to Prager.

Wouldn't surprise me, though.

He's playing devils advocate and raising the more important counter-points against what the capitalist said. I hate nazi-posters even more than the next guy, but at least I actually read what's in their posts.

Any form of governance is violence, even an-com utopia will have some form of democratically legitimized violence.
A better line of argumentation would be that the problem with the violence that enforces property ownership is that it is not legitimate, because it does not serve the populace - it serves the capitalists.
also

meant for that second point to reply to

At least he reads muke. Responses like this are why you lost that debate.

The problem with the ">muh risk" argument is that (neo)liberals implicitly define "risk" in purely monetary terms.

A perfect meritocracy wouldn't work because having things 100% your fault with no outside influences is perfectly impossible

PragerU has this devious strategy of selling their ideology clouded in bedtime story-tier parables, so when idiots watch it they think they understand something deeper.