Just face it

Most of the working class are incredibly unintelligent and plagued with ideology. Do you really expect them to have the forethought, organization, and responsibility it takes to maintain a Communist society? A dictatorship of the proletariat will never succeed.

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grundrisse.net/grundrisse22/tellingTheTruthAboutClass.htm
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educating the working class is part of the process you fucking dipshit

Have you ever thought about introducing socialism trough ideology?

Most of leftypol knows nothing about the very violent and racist history of the white working class(because reading history is le spook xD) and shout 'le idpol' when you bring up how white workers have always been racist and have a long history of supporting porky and none of this is the result of le ess jay dubya idpol.

I believe they can change tbh, but you're never going to change them if you just ignore or wave away their history as 'divisive idpol garbage' or some other stupid meme

Right while all the other peasants of all races oppose their capitalist leaders and have already established communism :^)

Not to mention the fact that other races aren't racist at all :^)

Yes, but in every single metric the US and Europe are losing ground or slipping behind to the big rising economies of the developing world, so we'll all profoundly enjoy their getting really shit upon by global capitalism.

I mean, even in America a tiny little taste of offshoring has exposed them for the ultra junky illiterates they always were, and their slipping to nigger status as more and more jobs get automated/offshored will open up new degrees of misery for their shitty fascist ilk.

Maybe then they'll see the light

So?
I expect them to choose people as leaders who do know whats going on.

Also, people can be taught.

Fuck off tumblr.

THIS

Let the Butthurt flow through you.

Seriously though, we can't romanticize porky OR the proletariat. Sorry but given half the chance most of them would become petite-bourgiouse not help with bring about anything close to socialism.

We dont romanticize porky, quite the opposite actually.

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Fuck off, tumblr

k.

No shit, if you don't offer solutions to the biggest problem which is demographic, you get nowhere.

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Pls read the whole post, I only believe in letting them die if you show them their history, explain to them how they've repeatedly fucked themselves over, and they still refuse to change.


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Thank you Comrade Queertransnegress (pronouns zorg, zop, zayzay), we truly need people like you in the revolution as your brave people have a long history of violent struggle, unlike the big mean whitey who just ruins everything.

This statement really isn't far from what modern liberals are saying: "white, working class people deserve to suffer because they're racist." That statement is simply the reverse of the average Holla Forumstard's belief that black people deserve to suffer because they're inherently lazy and stupid. Each view looks at historically determined things idealistically, not materialistically.

You're also ignoring the progressive history of the white working class. Liberals treat history like an ideological bludgeon against identified "bad guys," even when they have many more sides than the simple one they wish to emphasize.

Stop that. Get help.

I disagree, letting someone die because they refuse to change is not at all similar to saying 'these people deserve X because they are X'. I'm not killing them or calling for their death, I'm leaving them behind. Why waste energy on the ones that refuse to change and will just get in the way?

I didn't say anything about it because it's talked about a lot here. My original comment was about what leftypol doesn't like to acknowledge when the history of the white working class is being discussed.


I understand what you're saying, but is the racist side that leads them to support things that also hurt them not one of the biggest if not the biggest side?

Marxism, no child left behind, affirmative action and the general striving toward the lowest common denominator have made this impossible.

If the revolution happens someday, then your subjects will be dumb apes that won't be able to engineer or infrastructure themselves out of a wet paper bag.

You'll have a lot of special snowflakes and otherkin, though.
And people who have read 50 books on communism and got too smart to have children because that's too spooky.

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One of these is not like the other, pol.

Really, how many books on communism deal with modern technology and social intricacies.

You think the "noble negro that is merely suppressed by evil white opporession" will love you if you you stop the gibs me dats to them?

Eyo, hol up. I seized me some production means and got a wooden shoe stand, some leather and some nails from the blacksmith next door.
Eyo, that's nice and all but I want my Nikes, bro. Dis leather shit is too heavy and rigid, my feet need air. I want synthetic fibers and foam.


Call it what you want. When you have Berkeley create "Waterseers" then you know you're on the right track towards idiocracy.

In spite of such preconceptions about blackness, in spite of special subordination of blacks in the Americas in the seventeenth century, there is evidence that where whites and blacks found themselves with common problems, common work, common enemy in their master, they behaved toward one another as equals. As one scholar of slavery, Kenneth Stampp, has put it, Negro and white servants of the seventeenth century were "remarkably unconcerned about the visible physical differences."

Black and white worked together, fraternized together. The very fact that laws had to be passed after a while to forbid such relations indicates the strength of that tendency. In 1661 a law was passed in Virginia that "in case any English servant shall run away in company of any Negroes" he would have to give special service for extra years to the master of the runaway Negro. In 1691, Virginia provided for the banishment of any "white man or woman being free who shall intermarry with a negro, mulatoo, or Indian man or woman bond or free."

whites were involved in the slave resistance. As early as 1663, indentured white servants and black slaves in Gloucester County, Virginia, formed a conspiracy to rebel and gain their freedom. The plot was betrayed, and ended with executions. Mullin reports that the newspaper notices of runaways in Virginia often warned "ill-disposed" whites about harboring fugitives. Sometimes slaves and free men ran off together, or cooperated in crimes together. Sometimes, black male slaves ran off and joined white women. From time to time, white ship captains and watermen dealt with runaways, perhaps making the slave a part of the crew.

Only one fear was greater than the fear of black rebellion in the new American colonies. That was the fear that discontented whites would join black slaves to overthrow the existing order. In the early years of slavery, especially, before racism as a way of thinking was firmly ingrained, while white indentured servants were often treated as badly as black slaves, there was a possibility of cooperation. As Edmund Morgan sees it:

It was common, for example, for servants and slaves to run away together, steal hogs together, get drunk together. It was not uncommon for them to make love together. In Bacon's Rebellion, one of the last groups to surrender was a mixed band of eighty negroes and twenty English servants.

We see now a complex web of historical threads to ensnare blacks for slavery in America: the desperation of starving settlers, the special helplessness of the displaced African, the powerful incentive of profit for slave trader and planter, the temptation of superior status for poor whites, the elaborate controls against escape and rebellion, the legal and social punishment of black and white collaboration.

The point is that the elements of this web are historical, not "natural." This does not mean that they are easily disentangled, dismantled. It means only that there is a possibility for something else, under historical conditions not yet realized. And one of these conditions would be the elimination of that class exploitation which has made poor whites desperate for small gifts of status, and has prevented that unity of black and white necessary for joint rebellion and reconstruction.
historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/zinncolorline.html

That's not the case at all, you see, those are all spectres that reactionaries cling to when they can't properly understand the reasons for the degradation of society over the past 200 years. In that way they are very similar.

"Leaving them behind" how? It makes no sense whatsoever. You can't actually leave behind the white working class in any revolutionary situation as they compose the majority of workers right now and will continue to compose the plurality of workers in the forseeable future.

Then the history isn't merely "very violent and racist" and it's misleading to say so.

There is no "side" inherent to white people that would lead them to support racism. There are historical circumstances that would, but who is creating these circumstances? Not "white people" generally, the vast majority of whom have little to no power to affect such a thing.


no u

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Or possibly a more telling example:

Workers own the means of production.
But the proportions don't always match.

Workers working some extremely complicated machinery that goes way beyond the capabilities of the worker, or the funds, because you would need a disproportionate amount of workers to "fund" the highly complex machine, than it takes to actually operate it and whatever it produces.

Are you gonna lay off the ones that aren't needed?
But they were required to fund the plant, if the workers themselves need to own the means.

Are you gonna keep them around with fake tasks like refilling the elbow grease, or something?

Do you miss out on an industry like that and lower living standards (which most people hate)?

It's not the early 1900s, anymore.
We're not people of the field and simple industry anymore.
We're also not as homogenous (only homosexual) as before.

Rounding up people for a cause is easier if they're not mixed with different pasts and chips on their shoulders.

Wow, what a surprise that large numbers of the people who have been hardest hit by the collapse of American industry have become lumpens in the wake of that. Or oh no, wait, I guess it was Marxism and affirmative action that did that, forget the fact that Blacks were the first to get thrown out the door when the jobs started disappearing.

Dumb nazi.

Both recovered magnificently. (Well, all things considered)
Now they make up an enormous percentage of the elite.
Asians were hated as well, loathed, and they're up there in the income and thrive a bit too well for my nazi taste.

But for some reason only the blacks, coincidentally and magically, are forever the dreck under the heel. Even if you leave them alone.

Right?

With massive aid from the Western Allies funded by international finance. And as it happens, those are all independent nation states, not marginalized ethnic groups within a nation-state or imperial colonies.

Oh yeah, even if you leave them alone, forget centuries of institutionalized discrimination, Jim Crow, the War on Drugs, denial of services, casual brutality, and so on and so on. Yep, I mean Germany was in a war and they rebuilt the economy with lots of help from outside, so I guess the niggers are subhuman after all.

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Subsistence economy is not magic, or a race. Put the controller down.

What's funny is that much of the capital meant to breathe life into the Axis war machine, and the human capital obtained through decades, if not centuries, of education, wasn't obtainable through a subsistence economy, nor did it disappear after a World War.

It's almost like a capitalist economy with a high percentage of literacy helps in symmetrical warfare against capitalist economies with high percentages of literacy, even in defeat, better than subsistence economy.

It's almost like machinery requires educated employees to operate them.

It's almost like education helps with not being ignorant, superstitious and easily enslaved by Porky's porkeries.

It's almost like the secret ingredient to the Jews' success has something to do to the reverence they have for teachers, education and the fact that they spend their whole lives studying.

But to answer to OP, you shouldn't worry about too many stupid white racists being, or remaining, in the working class, because we all know who'll be giving their lives to whiteknight Porky, and thus the first to die.

Want to save them? Have Porky fight his own battles. You effeminate bald heads won't be giving their lives for who you know is a kike, will you? Will you?

you stop wasting energy on them, you stop trying to recruit them, you let them continue doing what they are doing.


You're right, that's why I said leave behind the ones that refuse to change.

then there will probably be no revolution.

I didn't say that their history is very violent and racist

is not the same as


But there is a "side" of their history that is very racist and violent, no?


Sure


you misunderstood me, I did not mean that the white working class has been racist since the beginning of time or anything silly like that, but that they had been racist before SJWs and non-white idpol. If we're talking about the history of America they've always been racist, your link is good but the pre-Bacon's rebellion colonies and post-Bacon's rebellion colonies(and later on america) are not the same thing.

check this out
baconrebellion.weebly.com/lasting-effects.html

It's happened before

And if technological unemployment is real (I and others suspect it is), it doesn't matter how racist they are, they'll have av immediate interest in owning the MOP

You're trolling eachother

Oh, yes, it's very enriching to be fully occupied.
Be stripped of even more land.
Having to pay reparations forever.
Et cetera.

Also,

People hate IQ posters (and possibly tim preference posters) here, but it doesn't really matter what you do to high IQ tribes.
If you don't outright kill them and keep them under the thumb then they will build things up again.

Also, Haiti and Africa get quite a bit of care, too.
But no black in their mind would want to go there because they know how bad it is in comparison.

And again, if some people are to be believed, jews go shafted really hard, and they recovered.

I wager if you gave Africans full control of themselves and all the resources in the world for them to be used as they see fit, they would still fuck up becuuse they would somehow still be "oppressed"

Like in The Gambia.
(Both channels are the same owner)
youtube.com/user/Mangoworms
youtube.com/user/VetClinicGambia/videos

Some evil white German guy is running a pretty much donation backed veterinary clinic in the gambia.
If only he weren't white, then the blacks who live there would, by large, not be so neglectful and unwilling to help their pets.

Even after getting shown how to care for them, they just don't want to and find excuses.
Every once in a while you get a caring one, but otherwise it's so bad that even the liberal women and girls in the comments (of which there are always a lot) are grumbling at the lazy blacks.

But that's just because they're oppressed, and not because they lack any faculties for higher care for anything due to the fact that they can get by living in squalor and thus do not need to improve things for themselves.

But that's just whiteys fault. It's always whiteys fault.
They can bust their ass, end slavery, let them live among them, educate them, aid them, but it's always evil whitey.

It's bullshit. Modernity is young and we are witnessing the results of different climates and geography and the evolutionary effect it had on people.

Yes, people can change over time for the better, but if you mix things up so much that EVERYBODY is getting dumber, as it is happening to the west, then that process will not happen.

If whites get eradicated, bred out, displaced or otherwise brainwashed into extinctintion then you will have a world that:

Is ruled by jews who did not follow what they preaced (because it's harmful), but they have never had a real civilization, why would they have had one if they could just hijack them?
And dumbfuck ape people that don't mind living in squalor and will never improve.

And by that point a whole lot of finite resources were already wasted while the west climbed up the ladder but has now fallen into the pit.

If the follow ups someday decide to apply themselves, then they will need to redo the whole process, wasting even more resources.
If they can even do that.


Yeah.

This. It'll be slow since it can take generations to remove spooky shit (pride in heritage, race, language, whatever). Remember the US government has been actively trying to demonize communism and socialism for the better part of a century yet B████ still did as well as he did being a selfproclaimed socialist. It'll be slow and plagued with resistance followed by quick intervals of enlightenment, followed by misunderstanding and reactionary garbage and then slow progress gain.

Anons need some patience, just because you won't live to see a better world doesn't mean you shouldn't try.

Meanwhile Chinese investors are industrializing the shit out of Africa, uninstall those videogames.

Ah, they are in good hands then.
The chinese are known for compassion and having "souls" so to speak, after all.

You can't because it isn't so simple as picking and choosing the worthy and unworthy of the working class for socialism. There's no way of predicting whether a person will change or not, either because he's convinced by argument alone or because historical circumstances lead him to ally with those he formerly regarded as enemies because of his class interests.

That's pure sophistry. You emphasize certain historical trends to draw out a narrative, and that was the narrative you chose to draw out, at the expense of the rest of the historical record. It's impossible to say that you weren't trying to be one-sided, particularly when you said:
As they haven't all "always been racist" and they equally have a long history of opposing capitalism.

So? I could emphasize the exact opposite and I would also be right because, historically, they've been both racist and anti-racist, violent and nonviolent. What I emphasize reveals what I want to see in it.

Wow, you really hate working class people don't you? You have literally no empathy for them.

THAT'S
WHY
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EDUCATE
THEM

DUMBFUCK

They don't WANT to be educated. They are opposed to the very concepts and principles that you would teach them.

Proof?

How would that education differ from what they are learning now?

newfag here. Is op a false flagger? I mean even the worst of pretentious college leftists don't talk like this

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confirmed for not knowing what the reagan campaign did, Read a book, cunt

They are quickly becoming replaced by machies. In the future, the working class will need to be, by necessity, educated. These are the people that can understand class struggle. Neither you nor I will live to see communism, but it must happen, because communism is inevitable.

You mean their winning the greatest landslide victory in presidential history on a platform of "fuck commies, fuck the poor, fuck welfare, fuck foreigners, fuck spics, fuck niggers"?

the way they postured it "commies want to turn america into the soviet union but we'll take the oppressive yoke of government off your back so you can enjoy your individual freedom"

The grandparents of those reagan voters were those who fought in the labor movement, a time for great solidarity of the working class.

The capitalists won the war even though the labor movements won a few battles. That's why the working class afterwards is subservient. Not because "lol stupid hicks and niggers"

Upon its liberation, Haiti had a debt imposed upon it by France equal to several times the entire world GDP of that time.

With interest.

The situation is similar in a majority of sub-Saharan African nations. This is why one of the most revolutionary things Sankara did was to turn away the IMF and refuse foreign aid, because third-world debt is how imperialist exploitation is maintained. It's funny how you bitch and moan and weep about those poor Germans and yet remain conveniently ignorant of the gross usury that these so-called shit holes have been subjected to throughout their histories.

On the other hand, not only were the Western European nations not reduced to a state of permanent debt peonage, but there's also this little thing called the Marshall plan that they benefited from. All your positions are based on utter ignorance and pseudoscience.

The truth is there in history, but I guess that's just Jewish lies and revisionism.

So? The fact that they were open to such a platform in the first place is proof of their values, or lack thereof.
Cool factoid. Too bad it didn't rub off on their voting habits.
Again, so what? They are subservient; so they vote according to their servile values. Is this supposed to be excusable or something?

Here is something from the MilkMan

However, will not they likewise sooner or later learn to understand what is to their advantage? August Becker says:[22] “To win the producers (proletarians) a negation of the traditional conception of right is by no means enough. Folks unfortunately care little for the theoretical victory of the idea. One must demonstrate to them ad oculos how this victory can be practically utilized in life.” And (p.32): “You must get hold of folks by their real interests if you want to work upon them.” Immediately after this he shows how a fine looseness of morals is already spreading among our peasants, because they prefer to follow their real interests rather than the commands of morality.

Qoutes used by Stirner here are from the book: Die Volksphilosophie unserer Tage (The popular philosophy of our day.) by August Becker

WE are subservient because we are taught to be. Holy shit

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Serious reading on why idolization of the working class is not even proper Marxism.

grundrisse.net/grundrisse22/tellingTheTruthAboutClass.htm

thecharnelhouse.org/2016/09/08/demonology-of-the-working-class/

Daily reminder that the historical task supposed of the proletariat is not the seizing of power and extinction of the bourgeois class, but the abolition of all classes including itself.

Is bestests of glorious screencaps for much the kekkings, da, tovarisch

They seem to do alright in biker gangs, so the egoist tip might be fruitful at least..

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Frederick a woke ass nigga

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just finished reading your second link, it was really good.

only posting this so you wont feel ignored😣

Was this thread started by an evola worshipping basement psychopath or a mainstream liberal moron?
You decide.

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No. In the future we will have a society of genetically-engineered descendants of the rich living in hyper-advanced cities under Space Communism with everyone else returning to Primitive Communism. The proletariat and bourgeoisie will be abolished in both cases.

Bernie did more for Communism then the entire Democratic party combined.
85% of millennials would vote for him, 45% would vote for a Socialist.
The dominoes have been set, the millennials will serve as a stepping stone for Socialism, as they teach their children.

If they were smart they wouldn't be working class.

Do you know what working class means?

Bernie single handedly popularized /demystified "socialism" for millions of Americans.

The real question is, do we have enough time?

That's exactly what I was about to say, to the letter.

We ain't got the time man. If we do manage to hand this shit off to the next generation, we won't be handing over anything we will recognize as what we see today.