Germany’s Russian gas pipeline smells funny to America

Germany’s Russian gas pipeline smells funny to America

Angela Merkel says Nord Stream 2 is no one’s business but Germany’s


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Merkel confirmed for Stasi

Germany and Austria called on the US to stay out of European energy matters.

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New US sanctions threaten EU firms involved in Nord Stream 2

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Why wouldn't they buy Russian gas? It's right there.

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America is trying to block the gas pipeline with sanctions against EU firms building the pipeline.

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Because America wants to keep Europe dependent and push it's own LNG stuff. America wants European countries as vassals hence the existence of NATO and the EU, both American inventions serving only American interests.

Got to ship it up through the middle east so the chosen peoples can get their sheckels goyim. Cant have the kike controled petrodollar collapsing can we now. :^)

No, I understand it from America's perspective. I just don't see where the incentive is for Europe, though.

Which incentive for Europe?

oy vey goyim you should buy saudi arabia oil that is shipped out of israel to italy.

Exactly.

Typically if you want someone to see something your way, cooperate with you, or fall in line behind you, there is an incentive offered – even if you aren't necessarily putting the best deal on the table. There's typically something that offers enough of a hook. I just don't see where that exists on this particular matter for Europe. Trucking LNG to Europe across the Atlantic in a treasure fleet of tankers just can't compete cost-wise with a continuous pipeline.

She should rather buy Norwegian gas with the already existing pipes.

But why has Merkel suddenly grown the balls to stand up to ZOG on this the she won't on anything else, to the point where she's fucking let Europe be overrun?

Based Drumpf
Ruining things for Europe, century old Amerikike tradition.

Yes absolutely. There is no incentive being offered here, just "do as we say, vassal".


Definitely agree with this. A lot of Europeans have a problem with Russia (rightly or wrong that's not the point)…..yet nobody has a problem with Norway and Scotland.

The size of the reserves might be an issue though: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_natural_gas_proven_reserves

wrongly*

The Brits brought the ZOG into WW 1 and WW 2. And signed the Balfour Declaration. But the blame where it belongs. I still don't see what's in this for mother Merkel, unless she figures the liberal Jews hate Trump so much now they'll let her get away with this and can't say much about it.

Wouldn't be cheaper to create the land based pipes through the countries to Russia?

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Because this is about trillions.
Merkel is a puppet, because it makes money.
She won't be a puppet if it makes her lose insane amounts of money.

She still might be playing above her league. IT may be trillions, but what's the cost of ZOG pulling out of NATO in Germany and Germany having to defend itself? I mean, it would actually be the best solution for everyone and would love see ZOG thrown out of Rammstein and everywhere else, I just don't see them giving in this easily.

poland will block it.

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I am curious and I wanted to understand the issues because I am from Australia so please forgive my ignorance.

Germany can pay Poland to access the Russian gas. Germany is rich right?

Poland hates russia this will never happen

The Poles still haven't forgotten what the Jews did to them at Katyn during WW 2. Having their entire fucking government killed on the way to the memorial probably didn't help things come to think of it. Latvia and Estonia also wouldn't want Russian gas through through their land.

That pipe actually looks close as fuck to Finnish waters, no idea how they'd do it either way, the Finns won't be happy either.

So Poland wanted to remain poor. That make no sense to me because they would get the money from the Germany and invest the money in something that will benefit Poland.

Because you didn't live under Soviet Judeo-Bolshevism, so it wouldn't make sense to you.

From who? The principle threat to Germany is mass human migration, largely funneled through an existing NATO country and largely hailing from North African unofficial satellite NATO countries.

Thank you for the information. Now I understand a little bit.

what if i tell you germany can pay refugees to chase out the jews from germany.

The whole pipeline starts from the city that should be the second biggest in Finland.

No matter how you cut it, the only cost to Poland to put the pipeline through their country would be political. And even then, allowing a pipeline to be built through their territory puts them into a better position for political maneuvering with both Russia and Germany.

True for now, but no one knows where Russia goes if Putin dies or if it's even able to hold itself together as a state. Though at the rate Germany is going, a takeover by Russians might be the best thing for them. The whole European situation is so bad I want to puke each time I look at a map or read a paper and see how many new animals have been allowed in through Greece or fucking ferried right into Italy by Soros and his NGOs and not one European navy will just sink one fucking boat and put an end to all the misery. Or just mine the shit out of the coast. The fucking Libyan traffickers are doing exactly as Ghaddafi predicted they would.

I can accept your reason. My country have a lot of resources so it isn't a problem at all but I wanted the mine fracking to stay away from the aquifers because of the pollution risks to the aquifers.

Can go either way really.
Could be that if putin dies, the russian power structure starts to fracture and local leaders gain power. Could also be that some schmuck gets the seat and sells out the whole country to the jews, but I doubt that since the russians still have the aftertaste of communism in their mouthes.

Recently i read something that made a lot of sense.

You misspelled (((American interests))).

Why would anyone have a problem with Scotland? They are the biggest yesman bitches ever since Wallace died.

The British are going to leave the EU, they and the commenwealth will join america.
Germany will be very evil again and the EU will fuse with Russia and become the new challenger to america in a multipolar world

of course the hero polan will stop them all

Are you guys actually retarded? There are already land pipelines through Poland Belarus and Ukraine. Russia wants to be able to cut off energy from Belarus and Ukraine and Poland w/o having to suffer losses in profits so it can blackmail Eastern Europe. And Germany is enabling them.

If yo actually want a Soviet-sized Russia then you're daft af.

Remember to spare some ropes for your local 'Green Party' when the happening starts.

why poland?

They already exist. Russia and germany are making those to specifically bypass eastern europe "gas producing country" aka jewkraine.

>become an (((Ukrainian))) billionaire.

Frankly any Western country would have invaded/bombed the cunts long ago over it.
Putin simply decided to build around them in the sea…
Then cut them off the next winter EU supply is secure and watch Holodmor 2.0 DINDU NUFFIN EDITION

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Then they should build reserves and cultivate secondary sources. Buying from Russian doesn't mean being dependent on Russia. We know Putin wrote a paper on using Russias vast energy reserves to re-establish spheres of influence so as a nation you should be looking at contingencies and ways around that if you want to maintain independence. Fact of the matter is you're always going to be dependent on someone as a European nation for energy.

Why is Konigsberg a part of the Soviet Union in that picture?

Russia blocks the newly built gas port, Russia sabotages the pipes from Middle East/Norway etc. The only way to be safe is grabbing Russia by the wallet.


I'm a strong believer in a fusion future. Partly because I want to see all those geowelfare queens crash and burn.

Believe in it all you want it still won't be viable for the forseeable future, also Poland can leverage what the US want's to secure supplies in exchange either that or leverage a deal out of the Russians the same way, also can I get some links to the Russians sabotaging Norwegian deals.

Do you know what that phrase means? Were already capable of initiating fusion itself. the way i see it were as close to "soon" as you can get with huge pieces of equipment like reactors. Within my lifetime I hope this change will cure USA's deadly petrodollar addiction and break the energy exporters' balls. A brighter world, at least in that regard.

You misread, I'm saying what Russia would do if they had the nordstream up and running and decided to cut off gas to Poland. They'd never let tankers into our ports or functioning rival pipelines remain operational.

They in fact did so many times already, under the guise of malfunctions, however because we share the pipeline with Germans downstream they couldn't just do it continuously (and since Schroeder stopped being chancellor they did it a lot less, go figure). Now Germany is investing in a POINTLESS, overpriced underwater pipeline, so they can appease Russia's desire to weaponize their energy politics. Germans themselves gain nothing, as nordstream is the more vulnerable route of transmission, one torpedo/bomb and its gone.

US has no means of pressuring Russia unless they're actively moving against them, they can't enter the Baltic. See how much Putin cares about US protesting his Ukrainian incursion.

That's all speculation then and I see no way the fusion technology is going to replace our dependencies for generating power at the moment. It doesn't even explain how we're going to somehow change the way transport runs and is powered and even then you can't change the existing infastructure overnight. So no not in the forseeable future will it be a viable alternative.

As for the rest of the speculation you're talking about things that range from tivially fixed if you harden your supply lines to outright acts of war. Russia isn't that stupid and Ukraine was going to join the Russian block anyway before the CIA overthrow.

Finally that doesn't stop the Poles from leveraging their position. The EU, Russia and America all need them to play ball in some way to expand their respective spheres of influence and a clever diplomat can use that.

Also unlike Ukraine no one in Poland is going to join a seperatist movement, hybrid warfare won't work in Poland.

All the separatists are either dead or fled to Russia. Ebil fascist holols, amiright?

I don´t say I´d like it to happen, but I would hate it less than Merkel…

I don't care what happened to them Russia dicking around to expand it's influence doesn't concern me until they try to fuck my nation over. Which isn't going to happen because we're going to be vassaled to the US till the heatdeath of the universe at this rate.

I'm done here, I think. You're obviously willfully delusional.


Prove the underwater gas pipeline explosion was the Russians. Do you have film footage?

Blocking a sea route is also not an act of war and NATO wont do shit and US has no power projection in the Baltic.


I lack words.

I noticed that none of those were arguments, shill or just lazy?

Apart from that middle bit but the damage from a torpedo doesn't look like a pipe going up by itself and it leaves debree behind much like the BUK missile that took down the Malaysian airliner.

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You severly overestimate the readiness of the Russian baltic fleet, it's also busy supporting operations in Syria

Lazy as in I gave up. I have better things to do than explaining realities of E. Europe to you. Might as well try explaining Middleearth, its all abstract lala land to you. Only sentimentalism towards muh butin counts, as per usual. Lets give Russia space, guys, we owe them Ukraine, guys, just let them take stuff and they'll surely stop eventually, guys. Twat.

Hardly but you're just crying about the loss of U.S. influence and I shed not a single tear for over that.

First they came for the Belarussians, I did not speak out because I wasn't Belarusian,
Then they came for the Ukrainians-

You act like being a US vassal is any better. Again not going to happen the Russias are much further off a checkmate than your hysterics imply.

Where did I say this? At least being pro-US puts food on the table. Since when has Belarus done anything significant? And the separatists had their support dropped by Russia because even Putin decided they were retarded.

So much for the evil expansive Putin proping up insurrections then. Also that's a complete non-argument I'd rather not be a vassal at all, being asset stripped by foreign money is not fun no matter who's money it is and if all you care about is food don't be surprised when your government is actively acting against you for your vassals interests.

If you supports what america is doing on this then you are a globalist shill.

People that want the EU vassaled to the U.S. with no prospect of independent thought or action ever.

The incentive is not suffering from the trickle-down of sanctions. The russian sanctions could affect Germany in a few ways.

Not saying it's right, just that is the motivation.

You're not here for a long time?

ZOG, (((USA))) is not going to leave Germany voluntarily. Germany is occupied territory, basically a colony of the USA like Puerto Rico, Panama, Guam etc. “Germany having to defend itself” has been forbidden by an new Versailles treaty and forced to disarm by the USA after the fall of Soviet-Union. The “peace dividend” has been Germany forced to “gift”, give away most of their arms, thousands of tanks, hundreds of planes and ships to “Germany's friends” like Poland or Turkey.

In addition Germany was forced to give up their currency and forced to finance the largest part of Europe, directly by paying the most subsidies and indirectly by giving away goods on credit, they never will be repaid but forced to guaranty the credit-line of his “European partners”.

You see “Germany dominates, rules Europe and bully the smaller countries” all for their own “profit”.

That line exist since the 1980. The gas pipeline in the Baltic sea was intended to supplement it.

The pipeline exist.


That line routes through Ukraine and Poland. Ukraine has a habit to steal a lot of the gas, not willing to pay for it, resulting in a cut-off of the gas supply to western Europe in the winter of 2006, 2008, 2009.


Germany does that already.

The Poles and Ukrainians don't want the undersea pipeline, because they loose the transit license money. They no longer have the finger on the gas tap to western Europe.


Until very recent they bought 100% of their gas and oil from the Russians. Not unlike the Poles.

You're a victim of disinformation.

The western “Lügenpresse” press does their best to muddle the water, keep their audience in the unknown.

The Fins do get 100% of their gas from Russia.


The Poles do get money for the gas transit to Germany, just less so after Nord Stream.


That is an rhetoric question, yes?


The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

Neither Russia nor Germany has an interest to give the Poles or Ukrainians a lever to blackmail them.
Poland is free to buy their gas from who ever they want. Neither Russia nor Germany have ever protested Poland building for example a LNG port or the use of coal. Only Poland has protested Russia and Germany doing business together.
Polands behavior is congruent with the Neocons plans to build a “cordon sanitair” of hostile countries between Russia and Germany

Interesting the pictures one get after searching for “cordon sanitair” .

The Polish lady doth protest too much, methinks.

Neither Russia nor Germany has an interest to give the Poles or Ukrainians a lever to blackmail them.
Poland is free to buy their gas from who ever they want. Neither Russia nor Germany have ever protested Poland building for example a LNG port or the use of coal. Only Poland has protested Russia and Germany doing business together.
Polands behavior is congruent with the Neocons plans to build a “cordon sanitaire” of hostile countries between Russia and Germany


As there 'cannot be a wholly independent Europe which does not sooner or later experience some clash of interests or policy with the United States

February 11, 2003, International Herald Tribune, Crushing German Dissent: Why the U.S. Fears Europe by William Pfaff


Geopolitical Journey, Part 2: Borderlands is republished with permission of Stratfor. By George Friedman

Germany has not thought of itself as a freestanding power since 1945. It is beginning to think that way again, and that could change everything, depending on where it goes.
One of the things it could change is German-Russian relations. At various times since 1871 and German re-unification, the Germans and Russians have been allies as well as mortal enemies. Right now, there is logic in closer German-Russian ties. Economically they complement and need each other. Russia exports raw materials; Germany exports technology. Neither cares to be pressured by the United States. Together they might be able to resist that pressure. There is a quiet romance under way between them.

While the United States can welcome a powerful Turkey, the same can't be said for a powerful Russia, particularly not one allied with Germany. The single greatest American fear should not be China or al Qaeda. It is the amalgamation of the European Peninsula's technology with Russia's natural resources. That would create a power that could challenge American primacy. That was what the 20th century was all about. The German-Russian relationship, however early and subdued it might be, must affect the United States.

From an American point of view, moving France or Germany is both impossible and pointless. They have their own interests and the wrong geography. It is the Intermarium – Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania and perhaps Bulgaria – that represents this generation's alliance. It blocks the Russians, splits them from the Germans

The Poles must be the leader of the bloc and the Romanians the southern anchor. I think the Poles are thinking in these terms but the Romanians are far from this idea. I'm not sure. I want to find out. For me, a U.S.-backed Poland guarding the North European Plain, with Slovakia, Hungary and Romania guarding the Carpathian approaches, would prevent what the United States should fear the most: an alliance between Russia and Germany plus Western Europe.
archive.is/NtwNU

For Poland, that strategy comes from the recognition that not only is it caught between Germany and Russia, it is the monkey wrench in German-Russian entente.
As part of an alliance stretching from Finland to Turkey, the Intermarium, Poland would have an alliance of sufficient weight to matter that would be free from the irrelevancies of NATO.
But in the end, the United States has fought three times in the 20th century to prevent a German-Russian entente and the domination of Europe by one power, whether that be Germany, Russia or a combination of the two. These wars were not fought for sentiment; the United States had no Chopin. The wars were driven by geopolitics.

A German-Russian entente would threaten the United States profoundly. That is why it fought World War I, World War II and the Cold War.
archive.is/1yCg8

The Poles act exactly according to plan. They are just oblivious that part of the plan is them becoming future battle field including nuclear annihilation.


Radislaw Sikorski said 'we gave the US a blow job'

Sikorski told Rostowski: "You know that the Polish-US alliance isn't worth anything."

"It is downright harmful, because it creates a false sense of security … Complete bullshit. We'll get in conflict with the Germans, Russians and we'll think that everything is super, because we gave the Americans a blow job. Losers. Complete losers."

According to the transcript, Sikorski described Warsaw's attitude towards the United States using the Polish word "murzynskosc."

That derives from the word "murzyn," which denotes a dark-skinned person and someone who does the work for somebody else, according to the PWN Polish language dictionary.

theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/22/poland-foreign-minister-alliance-us-worthless

The US collapsed a civilzation in 70 years pretty impressive fuck up

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_Waiver_Program#Eligible_countries

Kek

B A S E D

Ctrl+F Lynne de Rothschild
She's on the board of directors of the economist. But this isn't really necessarily a good indicator - because these lizard kikes are known to fund both sides. Do you think they've moved positions to Russia's gas pipeline after Petrobas CEO arrested and Qatar royal family has fucked up that plan?

The aims of the Anglo-American axis haven't really changed for the past two decades: Europe (and now Asia) must remain divided and under the thumb of the Insular crescent. Germany buying their energy resources from Russia as opposed to "friendly" regimes like the Gulf monarchies or American shale producers impedes this.

What im getting from this is Poland is the useful idiot nation that exists so anglos can fuck up central and eastern europe

Go back to meme posting retard maybe thinking isn't for you.

Now im sorry i bumped your thread because you are in fact a cocksucker

Kill yourself you autistic faggot, you're a brainfart amongst discussion now fuck off no one gives a rats ass about giving you a "le TL;DR xDD" of the thread.

Their thought have not changed, but the situation. Friedman is wrong when he tries to fight yesterdays wars.

As a result of WWII and approximately 1mio civilian postwar deaths, Germany has, first time since several hundred years, no common border with Russia.
Stalin had devised that in order to create a permanent source of hostility between Germany and Poland.
What he really did was to push Germany out of eastern Europe and rearrange it's interest. For a contemporary German perspective all that Slav squabble there could be on the other side of the planet. Hic sunt dragones
For Germany the eastern European swamps are as distant as they are for France or England. This reflects in trade relations, were China and the USA compete for the first place, followed by France and the Dutch, a more distant UK and then not much else. Slavia is not even an afterthought.

There is no interest for Germany to spend a single penny for the defence of eastern Europe. The ethnical cleansing, the genocide of the Germans of eastern Europe has extinguished any need or will to lift a finger. With hundreds of kilometres distance and millions of Slavs in-between, Germany is not threatened by a Russian invasion.

So, (((Americans))) are mad that (((Germans))) and (((Russians))) make business?

LAWL

It is nice to see them fight amongst themselves but the fight would be false to cause our guard to drop.

Fusion is a pipe dream, but fission is practical.

LFTR reactors provding heat and electricity to generate liquid hydrocarbons via Fischer-Tropsch process.

Ends dependence on fossil hydrocarbons without requiring massive retooling of all existing infrastructure.

Russia sanctions was about LNG, oil sands bans was about LNG, oil drilling ban under Obama was about LNG, venezuela collapse was about LNG, the chaos in middle east was about LNG, the oil djmp by OPEC to bring down the price of oil below sustainment was about LNG.

Taking the west off oil so it would become dependant on a few suppliers of LNG.

Certain big companies like Goldman Sachs and mecacorps based in Israel and Arabia bought into LNG development, so when the world becomes dependant and desperate for gas, these companies can charge 10,000% of the current value of LNG.

Dont believe me? Follow the money:
oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Goldman-Sachs-Is-Now-Bigger-Than-Exxon-Chevron-in-Nat-Gas-Trading.html

m.jpost.com/Business-and-Innovation/Israel-Jordan-gas-pipeline-to-begin-operating-in-2017-447611

wsj.com/articles/saudi-arabia-boosts-natural-gas-output-1469036809


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At least Australia is not affected by the war because they have a lot of LNG.

This hurts jews plan to corner oil.

The first sign of a possible return to sanity for Germany.

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