If socialism is so good then why aren't there that many successful co-operatives...

If socialism is so good then why aren't there that many successful co-operatives? Surely if socialism was a better system than there would be more powerful co-operatives out there, ones that can rival the great private companies like Microsoft, Apple, Google, Amazon,e tc.

Pic related is a private company. It is so successful that it will one day control the world. This proves that your system is shit. Capitalism + private property is the superior system.

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socialism isn't intended to compete on profit with capitalism.

jfc.

huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/15/texas-swat-team-conducts-_n_3764951.html

Porky doesn't like it.

Literally the answer is "violence".

thenation.com/article/worker-cooperatives-are-more-productive-than-normal-companies/

Try harder next time

Because private companies are more efficient at extracting shekels from the workers.

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co-operatives cannot compete in a free-market system

a corporation can always maximise on profits by cutting their workers' pay, or outsourcing to countries with less strict labour laws to get away with treating their employees worse. in a true co-operative, the workers will vote on company policy - no sane self-interested worker would vote for a cut to their own pay or less employee-protective company policy.

thus, co-operatives can only survive in a market of other co-operatives - in a battle between democratic (worker-owned) enterprise and hierarchical (privately-owned) corporations, the democratic enterprises will always find themselves undercut by the wily corporate bourgeoisie

Google is basically a division of the CIA/NSA.

slavery wasnt accelerationist and became outdated the minute industrialization showed up

I think terrorists use old fashioned opsec, not google and fb, I'm. Sure google work with nsa sometimes but don't think they are owned by nsa

there are a lot. But there would be more if you didn't need seed funding to start a business. Most business get launched with the help of investors. You can't get investors to invest in a co-op.

this doesn't actually make the businesses more competitive. mostly this is just done to give bigger bonuses and dividends to the CEO, investors, etc.

worker co-ops are better than traditional businesses by just about every measure

It does make the business more competitive. It cuts costs so it can sell more compared to its competitors, which will in most cases lead to more profit.
The competitors then also cut costs in order to not lose profit to their competitor.
So the primary concern is making money, but the result is usually that making profit requires you to make dicisions that also make you competitive.

lol

yesmagazine.org/issues/the-new-economy/mondragon-worker-cooperatives-decide-how-to-ride-out-a-downturn

youtube.com/watch?v=BJa8y7MX9i4

nytimes.com/1981/09/30/business/tire-workers-vote-pay-cut.html

For me the whole point is that tech empires like that CANNOT happen under "our system".

bulkhandlingreview.com/arrium-workers-vote-for-pay-cut-after-bailout-rejected/


bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-36085578


windsorite.ca/2016/05/metro-workers-vote-for-pay-cut/

i hadn't considered the possibility of workers taking a pay cut in order to save their jobs

low pay is better than no pay i guess

pls no bulli uwu im not a professor i make mistakes

don't be retarded

there is a difference between being forced to wageslave even harder and democratically electing that there should be more money invested in production, raw materials, new machines and so on under a co-op

don't fall for their strawmen, those men didn't agree to lower their paychecks, they were forced by porky

I don't think you know what a "strawman" is

Because co-operatives are not a good way to replace capitalism.

They are a fine way to sell Joe McSixpack on his awesome opportunity to vote to fire his dreadful middle manager of a boss.They replace the shitty capitalist by the shitty influencer, much like modern democracies.Turns out they seem to be the same people, go figure.

To-be-allowed to succeed is not the same a success.