Nazis were National SOCIALISTS

Because NatSoc is exclusive to your nation (race) and foreigners don't really have rights

Libs want socialism for everyone including the dumbest niggers and mudslimes in the distant third world

Yeah, back to classic liberalism and being fair to the Jews. Everybody at their own, the better may win, why should I care about family and my people?

There is a difference between economic and social policies you know that right? The NSDAP were economically centrist and socially traditionalist, right-wing.
Gas yourself shill.

If the jews still become a dominant force in a world of small government and individual freedoms, maybe you should reevaluate white racial supremacy?

Capitalism is shit. I don't have to be a Communist to say that either.

But you are a Communist?

No, friend. I'm not.

still better than communism

ya always need a villain in life, if ya don't have one ya will make one. And I don't mean an actual villain, just someone who will fill that archetypal role, this goes for both individuals and societies themselves.

Learning hurts, doesn't it?

Why?
A Bear can shatter a man's head off with a single swipe. Do you believe Bears are a superior creature to man?
Jews are good for nothing but scheming, usury, and evil tricks. How can this be called "Superior" in any way whatsoever? Can taking advantage of the kindness of another race be termed "Superior"? Of course not. The fact that rats manage to hide among us and leech off what we have without being destroyed is not superiority. It just makes them another filthy parasite.

No, it means we should reevaluate letting kikes continue breathing. We know damn well white people collectively suffer from pathological altruism and keep being kind to our enemies, the correct solution is to harden ourselves a bit and actually exterminate the bastards. If we engage in open racial warfare and we as a race pour our all into it and win, then that is proof white supremacy is a statement of a fact. If we have an open race war and lose then we weren't the best race after all. I don't see us losing an open race war though.

Also, your small government utopia only works so long as nobody in that society embraces tribalism. The kikes, niggers, chinks and spics all embraced tribalism, so that libertarian shit can't work. Only white people are even making an effort to try and make that shit work, but it can't work unless those other races followed suit (they won't).

You're the reason Holla Forums sucks right now

You're fucking retarded, please go back to Reddit or cuckchan.

Communism and Capitalism are both Jewish tricks, Cold war was Merican Jews Vs. Bolsheviks. Only acceptable form of socialism is Prussian, ie the base for National Socialism

I'm surprised how many anons don't know this shit

You're the reason Holla Forums is shit.

Different times, user.

Implementation of socialism in a small, homogeneous European country is much easier than something like the US. Furthermore, the private sector was vastly different back then, the culture was different, different sets of laws. Also, usually the government is completely incompetent, so handing them more power is like handing your car keys and a loaded gun to a retard

The government is incompetent thanks to democracy.
You have still give zero refutations of it aside from repeating "It was different", which isn't even an argument.

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Your argument is a poor strawman. You suppose that because a man argues in favor free market capitalism (with logical restraints), that he must inevitably welcome hordes of shitskins and worship jews, and wish to step over his family and friends for a buck. It is a cheap set-up to represent another man's position in such a way.

Even adam smith said that the capitalists' interests are not aligned with the nation, even when defending the free movement of goods and people

In case you didn't catch that

Our adopted term Socialist has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism

Conserving your people is a higher rung on the ladder than how you deal with money, you fucking lolberg.

Reported for shill thread.

Call me when the Jews actually give a shit about advancing the human race instead of killing all shitskins and using white men to kill all shitskins because they are eternally fucking asshurt about ancient history. Then I will admit Jews are equal to Europeans and Euro descended tribes

Yeah yeah, I know. Wrong word choice. Cut me a break, I just woke up

Well user, only Whites are human so there is technically only one human race; The white race.

it's because of the "nationalism" part.
the left is globalist socialist.

The people here already know this.

Lurk moar before you post again.

anti-collectivist wants collectivist decision.

(((Media))) control their thought. They follow politically correct fads and not critical thinking.

If the Jewish hive collectively wins against deluded liberal loner, it is just demonstrating Jewish supremacy goy fellow nationalist.

So be a man, fight against the assembled Jewish malignancy, fair and square, alone.
Ditch your family and people they are just holding you back you can win without them and you don't need to share what rightful is yours and only yours and you own nobody anything.

It is his argument see
Emancipation of Jews is classic liberalism. Classic liberals make no difference between humans, jews and shitskins.

Classic liberalism is an appeal to „fairness“, only works if everybody plays by the rules or you loose. Game theory teaches us that in such situations (prisoner dilemma) the first cheater will win and get the reward everybody else will loose. Guess who will cheat first?
BTW classic liberals didn't play by the rules they promoted either, it served just as a excuse for the way they gained their fortunes.

Classical liberalism works as well as classical communism, only in theory if everybody is an angel playing by the rules, in reality it never worked as promised.

Likewise you didn't refute my first point. Anyway, I don't have to go line by line to prove a point that is glaringly obvious. One thing I will say though is that in those days private sector unions we're much more prevalent and necessary because workers were taken advantage of, now they're largely irrelevant.

The bottom line really is if you think socialism is going to work in the US, you're living in a fantasy world. It might work in a nationalist European country, sure.

Low energy slide thread

You mean the enlightenment ideals of god-given individual rights over all else - Government-enforced egalitarianism? The interests of the White race have no leg to stand on within this judaic framework. That's exactly how we got into this mess

Either summerfag or shill thread.

National Socialism functions in a corporative matter, and is virtually antithetical to Marxian 'socialism'. Lolbertarians are guided entirely off of political bias when making economic decisions; their argument comes to an abrupt halt when it is mentioned that the Fascist nations performed better economically than the capitalist ones. Their only real argument is to attempt to compare National Socialism to Bolshevism or Social Democracy; both of which are closer to Jewish Capitalism than to National Socialism.

Hitler broke the illusion of left vs. right. NS is neither right-wing nor left-wing. You need to stop trying to place everything into your pre-existing tiny little boxes. Lurk more.

Hi the donald, how about you kill yourself?

Because they have no critical thinking filters against media conditioning and social engineering. They would not be the left if they did.

Not sure if retarded summerfag or lefty/pol/ nazbol shill thread

Good goy.

In the off chance you're not a braindead idiot, or perhaps if a lurking newfag is curious about this, go to national-socialism.com and read EVERYTHING.

You could look at the catalog and judge by yourself.

Amen to that. French Revolution was full blown privilege-grabbing of urban scum through terrorism.

Collectivism as a princlpe is leftist.

Yeah, you seem pretty retarded indeed. Nothing wrong with socialism if it's National Socialism. It was heaven on earth.

wrong faggot. retards were killed at birth. so were patients at insane asylums. work or die.

There is a simple socialism test:
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We can talk if the current "socialist" countries have an effect as Hitlers rule had.

It's not as profane as you make it sound… there is nothing more Satanic than keeping someone alive whose life will be suffering.

As Wagner said, Freedom is not a license, but Truthfulness. Do you understand? Freedom is not about having "rights". Freedom is about overcoming yourself and promoting what is beautiful, because Beauty is the Ultimate Truth! Leftist vs Rightist is a poisonous Jewish paradigm.

For anyone who is not trolling, please read through this translation: research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/glauben.htm

Afterwards you will have a very good idea of what National Socialism is. Alternatively, you can listen to some of Wagner's music, depending on what part of your brain is dominant at this time.

You are a retard.

A=B Argument. You fucking low quality human. Your best shot at anything meaningful in life is being a lab rat.

Naziism/fascism and communism are just different sides of the same coin. All modernism is cancerous.

Come home, white man.

The propaganda didn't stop after the war you see, it only increased. The Axis powers in general were painted as devils but Hitler most of all.

In a way the kikes memed their own demise. By constantly putting him in television shows as the most evil bad guy ever, it was inevitable that teenage edgelords would read about him. They went in expecting "GAS ALL JUDEN" and ended up with a pretty reasonable and charismatic man. The smartest thing for them to do would be to forget he ever existed, but they went the exact opposite with "never forget". Their hateboner for whites will be their downfall.

Op is here to try to make us tolerate yids.
No, we are still going to kill their children in front of them before we exterminate the adults

Because they weren't Gommie scum you NazBol retard.
You're about as subtle as a media Jew at a Klan meeting.

I feel like Adolf's greatest "sin" was how he radically changed the banking system in Germany, as pointed out so succinctly. Maybe that's why the powers of the time memed him as Satan so hard.

NO.

lmao look at the newbie shill
look at it and laugh

Left/Right are meaningless terms and in modern world just a kike-created dialectic to fester a false sense of opposition.

It's all a scam. National socialism and fascism doesn't adhere to their bullshit left/right dichotomy and it confuses them and scares them to death.

I made the mistake of going to Holla Forums and trying to redpill them about national socialism once. I figured, if they're already socialists, wouldn't they be able to make the logical leap to becoming NATIONAL socialists once they know the truth about the kikes? Wrong. Turns out, most of Holla Forums aren't just brainwashed white people like I assumed, they're almost without exception spics, niggers, kikes, faggots and trannies. Most leftists don't agree with national socialism not out of some sort of intellectual and rational analysis, they just realize they aren't compatible with it on a biological level.

That's how it always gets the attention of the kikes, see all of Hillary's conflicts, really if Hitler didn't know to point out the Jew but just change finance in such a way that (((Internationalists))) would have to play fair he'd still be literally Hitler but the Jews would subvert in country and so he'd only last a couple of years.

Since Hitler also pointed out the Jew and removed the Jew from power he could last indefinitely in country but those (((Internationalists))) encircled him and meant his destruction. Had the US not provided the Communist Russians with so much support then Hitler would've won, but that's history.

Really blah blah blah.

I agree with this. Also, isn't Natsoc and fascism associated with what they call the third position? Y'know, representing people who reject both authoritarian communism and capitalism/consumerism. Is it accurate at all to consider what the Nazis wanted to be a blend of the good aspects of both? I might need to read more, but all these definitions and isms and R/L 'spectrum' nonsense clouds the mind.

Americans just want to be left alone. I hate communists, but I also don't want to be told what to do by some goosestepping fascists. An American nationalism has to be different.

4cuck tier thread

You should do some actual fucking research on it. Wanting to be left alone is what got you kiked in the first place.

Because they're jews?

What the fuck does that even mean you degenerate faggot?

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do yourself a favor and listen to some George Lincoln Rockwell.

This is the main point of contention; by doing this you can say the ideology is in line with Natural Law and is therefore moral. Communism on the other hand requires giving up the rights to the fruits of your labor and the only way to justify that is by saying you as a human being have zero rights; which is why rape was legal in many communist nations and women were expected to service men anywhere, anytime.

Tough.
As a goosestepping fascist, I don't care what lolberg scum like you want, and 'American nationalism' is a fucking joke because there is no American nation, there are no American people. A nation is a thing of blood, not a thing of ideals, and the American blood - itself little more than a melange of European bloodlines - which remains is rapidly decreasing in both volume and quality.

You don't have a choice, in other words - my enemies will impose Gommunism on you, and I will impose authoritarian National Socialism (or an equivalent thereof) upon you.
Fight one, or fight both, or don't fight at all. Your call.

But there will be no mercy from me for your ilk.

Not really. Lolbertarians don't believe the ends justify the means, so while fascism might be better, financially speaking, for the citizens, capitalism is the best system that preserves their central concepts of individual rights, small govt, etc. They're not obsessed with capitalism not because it's the best economic system, but because they see it as the best economic system that preserves other ideals like sovereignty and prescribed protections.

I fucking hate cuckchan. You have the entire inrernet to spread your cancer, yet you come HERE. Get your pozzed asses back to reddit.

8cuck is 4cuck tier

8ch mo ds work with plebbit mo ds to shit up 8ch with plebbiters to make it look like there are more UIDs, etc. than there are (since a large proportion left after the 2nd exodus)

National Socialists pose the same arguments are the Communists: "Our brand of fascism hasn't been tried before!" Or they may say that it was never allowed time to flourish or ripen to their distant utopian ideal, instead of recognizing that it failed because it was not compatible with how human nature works – again, like communism. National Socialists erroneously think of the masses as infinitely pliable objects just like a Marxist, itching to die, to serve, to do bidding for an ideology. The essence of their movement focuses on grand “collectives” orchestrated and coerced into action under the virtuous government. NS’s swear that their vision is the purest. (So do Marxists, but they’re wrong. Our coercion will be the best coercion, because it won’t even be coercion; people will just want to do it because it is so perfect a system).

The reason for the failure of Hilter's regime in twelve short years is blamed on "the Jews and their international abettors" instead of their choice to pursue a suicidal war of eastern colonization. (How's the Volga as the new Mississippi working for the Germans now?) NS’s will say they would not have gone to war in the first place were it not for the international syndicate dead-set on pushing those peace-loving NS’s into war (because we all know the Germans never had a history of pompous militarism). No matter how you chop it, NS’s will take little or no accountability for their failures other than to say, “We should have killed more.” Their so-called magic economy was because of mass rearmament and mobilization. Is building for perpetual war a sustainable economic strategy? I love Holla Forums but I do get sick of the infinite excuses for the structural failures inherent in Nazism.

I don't need another government of "central planners" ordering me and my wife around about how to best serve my race and nation. As a rural American, I don't want to live under an imported Socialist German idea. Give me the tried and true Anglo-American system with its faults – which actually did dominate most of the world for a good time – instead of another utopian theory that "worked" for twelve years. I'll take America under Jefferson over Germany under Hitler any day, and would argue anyone on that point.

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Can we just collectively take a moment to recognize how retarded OP is?

Go the fuck back to cuckchan and don't come back until you process the JQ and what it means ideologically. Only an ideology with kike removal as the central pillar will save the white race.

God dammit, I forgot to sage.

Wut
No we don't.
It worked absolutely fine in Germany. If you wanna argue that they lost, yes, they did, there is no single ideology that could have saved them in that war. They simply lacked the material to win, but did amazingly well in spite of that.

Is that why it's based on Human nature itself unlike Marxist ideals?

So now you're just going to strawman. No need to refute this, it refutes itself at this point.

Well, it kinda was. Everyone Declared war on Hitler. Not the other way around. Unless you think the dead Germans in the Danzig Corridor were fake, but funny enough never the holohoax :^)

Yes? There would literally have been no war if Germany had gotten Danzig as was planned before the polish minister was murdered.

Except Germany wasn't even prepared for the war. Have you looked at the German economy under National Socialism at all?

You aren't from here, so no you don't.

Good, that's exactly in line with National Socialism.

You aren't a rural American either, but you wouldn't be living under one even if you were. National Socialism is not specific to one country. Nor is Fascism.

Except it was dominated by the Rothschilds, not by its own people. Oops.

That's what you got, so why are you even posting here? You should be perfectly happy with what you've achieved. Little do the Libertarians and Civcucks realize; This is the future they chose.

It is different than the Marxian Socialism in which the Government overtakes the means of production and mandates production of resources/products trough the use of central bureaucratic councils it thinks will be enough to meet the demands and needs of the population the method at which marxian socialism actually percieves demands is trough requests to these bureaucratic councils,which accept or deny those requests at will.While in National Socialism,the free market still exists within the framework of the Nation itself,the government in a National Socialist methodology ALWAYS has control of the central bank that actually prints and produces the currency that is used by the populace,in the third reichs case the government also had direct control/ownership of the infrastructure of the country such as railways and roads,while i do believe healthcare existed as a mixed system with both private and public ownership(gotta get confirmation on that),later( think around Barbarossa) it overtook the weapons manufacturing industry into its ownership as well.

The point is National Socialism understands that the market exists because resources are scarce,this creates the functions of supply and demand,they let private actors within the country take care of the supply and demand while providing the currency and overlaying security that this currency is actually worth something.Its as simple as that,rather than allow some foreign speculators with shares in the central bank fuck with its currency and the supply and demand of its currency it takes this role upon themselves.

National Socialism is simply socialism that uses the principles and functions of the free market in order to better the nation because it is in a position of power to do that as they control the flow of money rather than that being done trough private actors.In this case there is of course economic control but it is rather a case of soft and indirect economic control rather than a direct one like in marxism.

Yes, keep believing your infallible ideology, accept no critique or nuance, call those you don't agree with lolbergs or civcucks, and deny them a share of the community because they are skeptical of the bandwagon. I see legions lining up before you already brother.

You don't understand, It sounds like you got these talking points from Steven crowder or something. You need to lurk for awhile, visit the red pill thread, and learn before making a fool out of yourself by equating the (((Marxist socialism))) with National Socialism.

You're all going in the oven.

SIEG HEIL
GAS THE KIKES
RACE WAR NOW

This. JIDF back on 4/pol/ used to do the exact same thing. They would always start arguments, and both sides would be them. They would throw insults at others in the thread to lure them into their false dichotomy. They need to go in the oven because you can't even have a legitimate fucking discourse with the filthy hooknosed bastards around.

You faggots are literally the reason the whole world is fucked. Americunts gave material support to the enemy and fought for the enemy. Good job "leaving everything alone." I may be a burger, but at least I won't listen to this shit. It will be the jackboot for every faggot who thinks it's 1776 (protip: it's not, and you already lost every bit of liberty your WHITE GERMANIC Founding Fathers gained for you. The reason they gained Liberty through War was because they were not pussies. Amerifags are slightly less pussified than Euros today, which is still pathetic).

So, stop being a nigger and start sieg heiling.

Kill yourself.

Sieg Heil! You have redeemed yourself for bumping with that awesome post. Fucking up the enemy is how you win wars. You are going to be a goddamn general someday!

I'm glad you brought this up, because I'm sick and tired of hearing this idiotic meme. When you look at European history, do you find many cases of pathological altruism destroying whites? I see it as more of a recent invention, designed to explain away complacency and apathy.
Fuck off. Who do you think got you into this mess? You think the jews manipulated and connived this intricate master plan to enslave all whites and there's nothing we could've done unless hitler had won? How the fuck do you think they got into power in the first place? Your own people sold you out in their intoxicated power-trip, and the jews merely played to that instinct. Your own people saw the world changing around them but didn't give two fucking shits to do anything about it. Oh, they had plenty of chances. But they got their bread and circus, and neither them nor the rulers couldn't spend two fucking seconds conjuring up their pathetic brainwashed gray matter to think 'wait a minute, is this sustainable? Is this right?… What is right?'
You wanna know why everything is fucked? Look at your own fucking parents, and their parents, and their parents. Look at yourself, and those around you, for damning the system yet maintaining it. You can have all the pride in the world but if you yourself do jack shit, just keep in mind you didn't add to our list of achievements. This isn't directed at you anymore but any slackjawed moron reading. 'oh, i believe all that but i wouldnt want to lose my McJob or my family to hate me,' you think unconsciously as you conduct your everyday life. Do you actually understand what we are dealing with here? Oh, give me anything but the inconvenience of believing in something and being obligated to act with accordance!
I want the white race to continue because our genetics allow us to produce, on occasion, persons of such incredible mastery and intellect the likes of which alter the everyday dull lives of the masses beyond imaginable. You want to know what that 'white spirit of adventure and magnificence' is? The driving vision of a handful of individuals changing history forever. Question is, did you inherit it?
European history is whites fucking over other whites all the time. Our ancestors set the playing field themselves. They established the corrupt power sources that jews took advantage of. Now it's up to YOU to destroy it! So easy, you don't even have to invent new corruption to replace it! Bring it down! Take action!

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