Is there a place for traditional religions in a nationalist society?

I feel very strongly that religion tends to make individual's allegiance lie with those who share their religion. This is why you see so often the many Christians who value the lives of foreigners over their own countrymen just because they share the same religious belief. There are countless articles about churches harboring illegal immigrants and let's not even go into the fucking Muslim problem. The same issue exists for Jews where they have this in-group preference and work for their own kind regardless of nation.

Christianity itself is based off the worship of a middle eastern peasant. The mental gymnastics I've seen Christians go through while they kick and cry and scream about this fact is concerning and makes me very skeptical that these people have any interest in reality over their religion. I don't see any place for Christianity in a white nationalistic society. I don't see a place for Islam or Judaism in any nationalistic society.

Christianity has completely failed to uphold any semblance of objective morality. The reality is that modern Christianity is a fucking joke and the modern practitioner has barely anything in common with christian ancestors. Religion is constantly changing in order to adapt to modern society and appeal to the individuals in it. How many hundreds of rules and regulations in the bible are ignored by the modern christian? Enough to make these people disregard and objectivity in the scripture.

Religion provides a sense of unity, objective morals, life purpose and a community. All these benefits can be accomplished by turning the state into the God and the religion revolves around working for the state and your fellow man. Nationalism can provide unity and community, an unshifting constitution of set values and morality that also sets life purpose - furthering your country.

Then what?
Atheism does not provide moral framework or reliable structure at all. It relies on common good and decency, which jews poisoned with materialism and POZ.
Sage for obvious D&C attempt

Either European paganism or some sort of (atheist of theist doesn't matter here) stoic based moral code

I literally gave an alternative, you fucking retard.

Christ is the Son of God. Christ is God. Not a middle eastern peasant. If your parents had you and you were born in China does that make you a Chinaman? You're taking the modern construction you have of civic citizenship and applying it to ancient times.

not this again

Your allegiance should lie with your people, not a Semitic concept of God.

The Holy Trinity existed before there ever was a Semite or Israel. Before man existed and before the world existed.

Honestly a pantheism/rationalist worldview is more in line with National Socialism than outdated religions that almost no one believes in anymore. inb4 thread is deleted.

Nice try, shlomo

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Have you actually read the Bible? Not sure how anyone can come to the conclusion that what's in the OT is good for National Socialism. Maybe if you cut out the OT and then chop away all the Jewish elements of the NT into a "positive Christianity" like the 3rd Reich tried to do.

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You see, Jews in Israel hate cultural Marxism and faggotry and so on as well, this doesn't mean we should embrace it. Especially when we realize that they love to force upon the Goyim that what they often hate themselves. They will promote all this modernist degeneracy, outside of Israel En Jewish communities, so it is for Christianity as well. Yes, they hate christ, but they see it as a tool for Goyim

Yeah, okay goy.

I thought it would get deleted.

I am legitimately concerned about nationalism being a recurring failure as long as the religious are tolerated inside. I am sick and tired of this religious disease that seeks to inject itself into any right-leaning politics. It attracts stupid, irrational and dogmatic people that will cling to their retarded beliefs while killing the rational behind any form of nationalism. How can a nationalist state exist when people's allegiance is dedicated to their global religious beliefs? These people are inevitably going to value their religious community more than their country.

I don't even want to argue religion. I want to understand how existing religious belief is beneficial to a nationalist country and won't undermine the intent.

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Wow this shit thread again?

Of course it can support a moral framework. Just not one based on feelz, which poses a problem for less stoic individuals.


I don't see why religion shouldn't play a part in a white nation AS LONG AS it doesn't meddle in political affairs. One can not serve two masters. This is also why Christianity but not Judaism or Islam is compatible with nationalism. Render unto Caesar and all that. The other Semitic religions are political stances as well as belief systems, they can't not meddle.

It's called a Jewish thread, sage and ignore. These threads are the only tolerated Jewish threads because half the board comes from a non-religious background so they need to worship memes to fill that empty void in their souls while simultaneously attacking the heart of European culture and spirituality for the last 2000 years because it's apparently still edgy and intellectual to be a militant atheist, only this time they're using politics to justify their seething Jewish hatred of the true faith.

Religion is not the reason the Nazis lost. They lost because they were severely outnumbered.
You might feel more at home on reddit tbh
Every ideology does
nationalistish states existed for hundreds of years before the modern era
People will always value things more than their country. Wives, kids, families, arts, property, etc. This is unavoidable. The problem is that people don't see themselves as part of a nation anymore but a global community. And before you go blaming this on Christianity, most of these people are atheists and non-religious. Even the Jews who promote it.

It provides an extra layer of community and teaches good morala.