How do we make Chile Socialist again?

How do we make Chile Socialist again?

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libcom.org/files/Strange defeat The Chilean revolution, 1973 - Pointblank!.pdf
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch03.htm
en.internationalism.org/ir/115_allende.htm.
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1880/soc-utop/index.htm
sinistra.net/lib/pro/whyrusnsoc.html
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bienvenidoainternet.org/chile/read/1477718830/
youtube.com/watch?v=RAJ_n_CMAjU
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Allende?

Reminder he destroyed labor unions to reform his 'social market' after completely undoing all of the almost-socialist plans he had like introducing collectively run enterprise.

libcom.org/files/Strange defeat The Chilean revolution, 1973 - Pointblank!.pdf

Also, he disarmed worker's councils which could have at the very least prevented the military junta's coup from being as swift and effortless as it ended up being.

I TOLD YOU ABOUT DEMSOCS BRO.

I`m starting to think that I`m actually glad that rosa is dead.

Because she was an actual socialist? :^)

Because unless she was stopped, reactionaries and freikorps might have over-reached, that would have lead into restoration of perhaps even absolute monarchy in 1919 + complete eradication of the left.

itt: murricunt ultra leftists not knowing history, socialism and basic theory

FREE HELICOPTER ARE DOWN THE HALL AND TO THE LEFT, MR BOLSHEVIK

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Social democracy.

At the barrel of a gun!


I'm Slovak.

Stalinists telling me to understand things as they are is also always rich.


dude helicopters lmao xd

2. Conservative or Bourgeois Socialism

A part of the bourgeoisie is desirous of redressing social grievances in order to secure the continued existence of bourgeois society.

To this section belong economists, philanthropists, humanitarians, improvers of the condition of the working class, organisers of charity, members of societies for the prevention of cruelty to animals, temperance fanatics, hole-and-corner reformers of every imaginable kind. This form of socialism has, moreover, been worked out into complete systems.

We may cite Proudhon’s Philosophie de la Misère as an example of this form.

The Socialistic bourgeois want all the advantages of modern social conditions without the struggles and dangers necessarily resulting therefrom. They desire the existing state of society, minus its revolutionary and disintegrating elements. They wish for a bourgeoisie without a proletariat. The bourgeoisie naturally conceives the world in which it is supreme to be the best; and bourgeois Socialism develops this comfortable conception into various more or less complete systems. In requiring the proletariat to carry out such a system, and thereby to march straightway into the social New Jerusalem, it but requires in reality, that the proletariat should remain within the bounds of existing society, but should cast away all its hateful ideas concerning the bourgeoisie.

A second, and more practical, but less systematic, form of this Socialism sought to depreciate every revolutionary movement in the eyes of the working class by showing that no mere political reform, but only a change in the material conditions of existence, in economical relations, could be of any advantage to them. By changes in the material conditions of existence, this form of Socialism, however, by no means understands abolition of the bourgeois relations of production, an abolition that can be affected only by a revolution, but administrative reforms, based on the continued existence of these relations; reforms, therefore, that in no respect affect the relations between capital and labour, but, at the best, lessen the cost, and simplify the administrative work, of bourgeois government.

Bourgeois Socialism attains adequate expression when, and only when, it becomes a mere figure of speech.

Free trade: for the benefit of the working class. Protective duties: for the benefit of the working class. Prison Reform: for the benefit of the working class. This is the last word and the only seriously meant word of bourgeois socialism.

It is summed up in the phrase: the bourgeois is a bourgeois — for the benefit of the working class.
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch03.htm

quote Marx where he said "that's not socialism" you dumbed down vulgar marxist little faggot

You're linking and implying things completely unrelated to anything to appear informed and educated. Meanwhile, you're a retard that can't quantify what socialism actually is, most importantly to Marx.


Tell me lad, as a proud upholder of the science of Marxism-Leninism(tm), define 'socialism' for me.

Easy. You don't.

1. answer me first
2. read the text, i already answered

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Why would you want to ruin chile?

Why would you want to ruin Chile?

Do you have more reliable sources for these claims?

fixed

You posted a passage to the Manifesto in reply a post saying capitalism with bourgeois state programs isn't socialism. There's nothing to say to this. Are you retarded?


I asked you to define socialism, not Marxism.


There's one right there, completely sourced, but why not: en.internationalism.org/ir/115_allende.htm.

Ask yourself the following: what part of Allende's presidency was socialist other than the label he gave himself? I believe he was a decent person, and the coup that took place is disgusting and should be remembered for why revolution IS required for the working class to seize power.

If any leftist is voted into power the empire will simply just take them out or cut off their access to needed goods and materials to sustain themselves, which forces them to take on more capitalist positions. Reformism is really idealist and Allende's presidency consisted of social democratic reform that was still unacceptable to the foreign capitalist power. Democratic socialism is an ideology that, while being a very nice concept, is simply utopianism.

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Yes.

I hope you understand that picture was ironic.

are you retarded?
this is not what it says at all, you fucking retard
like, seriously
are you, unironically, not even joking, a fucking retard?

i asked you before, where does marx go along with your faggotry of "muh true socialism"?

and again
read the fucking basic shit in the manifesto
it already BTFO the fuck out of you stupid little shitstain vulgar wannabe marxist

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1880/soc-utop/index.htm

again
where does either marx or engels ever say "not true socialism" you ultraleftist retard?

You either have problems expressing yourself right now or have severe damage to the brain.


To Marx, socialism means to completely negation of capitalism. As Marx says himself (in that link, actually, if you'd read it), socialism is 'the real movement which abolishes the present state of things' (the state, private property, wage labor, the money value form, production for exchange and the alienation of labor). In other words, the 'Marxist'-'Leninist' USSR was not a socialist society. This is incredibly basic, orthodox (even heterodox) Marxist socialism. How a retard like yourself thinks this constitutes an 'ultra' position (which I would colloquially adhere to, as a left communist) is absolutely pedantic when it's the standard position shared by basically any socialist that isn't a socdem, demsoc, Stalinist or anarchist.

read a fucking book you stupid insufferable cunt

i say again you reading inept fucking faggot

where does marx say "that's not real socialism"?

you stupid maymay shitposting full retarded cunt

marx was clearly able to recognize the history of socialist thought and this is what he is describing in the fucking text as well, he differentiates between scientific socialism and utopian, reactionary and proletarian socialism

you fucking reading inept shitposting vulgarist cunt

Woah, you win. I surrender.


Unfortunately, Marx wasn't around to see opportunism sweep the essential basis of his philosophy to create such abject authoritarian social democracies like the USSR pop up that called themselves 'socialist' while using Marx as symbolism to sustain them. You're looking for a quotation of Marx that cannot exist. Any point past Lenin's early post-revolution Russia was no longer, in any way, socialist.

sinistra.net/lib/pro/whyrusnsoc.html


Stay mad, illiterate and cognitively dysfunctional, tankie cuck. :^)

Why don't you ask them?

bienvenidoainternet.org/world/

You have taken this meme too far

delet that meme too far

bienvenidoainternet.org/chile/read/1477718830/

lol

HE CAPITULATED TO ECONOMIC PRESSURE FROM THE US AND THE IMF IT WASN'T HIS FAULT!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!


And that didn't happen anyways? Ignoring the fact that she also said that she felt that it wasn't the right time to revolt yet? You get shittier and shitter with every fucking post Demsoc. Read a book nigger.

Socialist enough to remain an international bogeyman for the better part of 70 years, contained economically and militarily, until its collapse and looting by "privatization". Strange way for a capitalist nation to be classified, and for other capitalist nations to treat it, don't you think? Strange that Cuba was under an economic embargo until recently, long after the cold war ended, yet had nothing to do with socialism. By your reckoning – why bother? It's just state capitalism, right? Nothing to worry about from the bourgeois point of view.

Aren't you the moron who kept on whining about muh IQ?

The United States uses sanctions and embargo's on any country that's a threat to hegemony - being socialist is not requisite.

NO ALUNYA NO
Tell me this is a reactionary ruse

By not having US-backed coups

oh and supporting Movimiento Autonomista

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This need to be posted hir

youtube.com/watch?v=RAJ_n_CMAjU

stay classy

The country is literally ruled by a socialist party right now

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He wasn't in complete control though, the whole point was that the porky senate wouldn't ratify any of his shit, they systematically took power from him and he did not defend himself

I bet you think Russian's communist party is communist because it's in the title, huh?

Chili is already more socialist than you an-scum.

Tell that to Nazi Germany.