Wtf i hate communism now

wtf i hate communism now

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you're right, market socialism is silly, that's why we need central planning :^)

There will be no market exchange under communism.

Fuck I want an r8 so bad

you are literally this.

LTV describes commodities that are produced competitively on the market
you purposefully misunderstanding a concept is not a refutation of it

Marx says that there are some things that are very valuable, but are worth nothing since no labor went into reproducing the product, such as air.

My program will also be worth nothing since everyone that can run the program will own their own means of production (the computer) and reproduce my product at no cost. So developing the product for the first time costs a lot of money, but then the company doesn't make their money back since it is then effortless to reproduce that product.

Imagine it like it costing a company to produce yarn that is $5 per pound. Once the company puts 10,000 pounds of yarn on the market, they will only be compensated $5 because some guy just bought a lb and used a cloning machine to distribute it to everyone else.

Even in capitalism, you can make money from writing free software.

So what's your criticism
when something is reproducible for no effort and people are not prevented from doing so, they won't voluntarily buy that thing.
Why would I buy music when I could torrent that shit for free
Marx wasn't saying that all compensation should be about labor-time, he was describing what already occurs

The LTV is an explanation of market prices under capitalism, the LTV does not exist under communism. Commodities are produced for their use value not their exchange value.

Anyway, under capitalism a developer to stay in the business of developing has to CONTINUE TO develop new apps. It's very likely, that within one or two years the app that most likely took that long to develop will be completely outdated. The cost of the commodity accounts for the labour committed for developing and subsequent development. Of course, there are exceptions to this rule like Flappy Bird which was one of the first games of its kind and thus had a "monopoly" at the time of release on games like Flappy Bird.

But this doesn't conflict the LTV (in fact, it corroborates it as commodities aren't sold at their full value - there is profit to be made from wage exploitation which is the primary method of the capitalist and profit to be made by exploitation of the market ) since it was labour that created the game and not the employment of constant capital.

You can't automate programming, retard autist.

Sounds good. Now excuse me while I, like everyone else, torrents Sony Vegas 9 instead of paying the $150 fee :^)

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kys my man

Nice way of dodging the issue by saying that instead of fiat currency, you have fiat faggot labor vouches, therefore the issue of everyone taking my product for free is irrelevant.

I'm sure there are no grocery baggers that are paid $40/hr unlike programmers.

Copying and pasting that software requires 0 labor, therefore the product would be worth nothing. The only person who labors is the programmer who will never be compensated for the time he spent writing it.

Again dodging the question. Just pretend that I was a free lance programmer who spent 1000 hours developing something. The fact that you rebrand money into "labor vouchers" doesn't mean you can dismiss this problem.

This is like saying nobody should ever compensated because in the future their job will be automated.

"okay I spent 6 hours spinning yarn, can I get paid now?"

You were asking a question regarding communism. A communist society entails full automation, and you would know that if you flag related

You still have no idea what you're talking about. But nice way of dodging the fact you were totally wrong and had no idea what you were talking about beforehand as well. Just to repeat what you said at >>1004012:
How embarrassing.

And before some idiot goes "hurrr if everything isn't automated, then it isn't communism!11", programming isn't going to be something you can automate, and neither will a lot other jobs. Don't be an idiot and think that you're going to live to see the day where there is no difference between the human mind and AI and that robots are going to create themselves and program themselves to do what must be done

oh looks like i'm too late in hitting that reply button>>1004179
If this is what you believe then you can never mention communism ever again for another thousand years let alone ever consider supporting such a movement until automation has already arrived (which it never will)

wait are you serious
why are you here my dude? were you just curious about leftists

is his audi a v8 or a v10?

the v10 versions are fucking god-tier

No, everybody should because their job is automated.

How can anybody still believe that silly shit?

Where do you get that from?

Everyone will take everyone's product for free. That's the point.

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You are paid once to write it, you're not paid for the sale of muh copyright stuff.

probably his asshole since he thinks there would be grocery baggers in communism

Wrong. Also, computer programming is complex labour. It takes time to train the person and this is factored into the LTV. So not only is the price of the program paying for the labour invested directly IN the program, it's paying for the subsequent updates to the program as well as the training it typically takes the average worker to write a program on that relevant magnitude.

Yes, I think programming will eventually be automated but not for a long time. Perhaps at that point (where everything is automated besides computer programming) school programs can exclusively focus on computer programming.

Labour vouchers are non-accumulative. They are thrown out after the initial use.

I think OP doesn't quite understand that the law of value operate in capitalism, and that the whole point of communism is precisely to abolish the law of value.

wew

What?

Get cucked

It means you got skills which are more worthy to society than the other guy.

trips speak the truth.

finally someone says it like it be.

In case you're still here: the reason why you only got meme answers was because you framed your post like

If you just frame your shit like an honest question people might help you.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_theory_of_value
You fucked up

This is the problem right here. In a society in which all labour is directly social there is no "free lance" enterprise, just as there is no independent enterprise in general. This leaves one of two options for any programmer: either the soviets/worker councils/whatever agree that your work is useful and should compensated accordingly, in which case you'd be paid 1000 hours minus necessary social deductions, or alternatively you'd just be doing it voluntarily (which would be the case for all work in the higher phase of communism).
The fact that your program is given away for free has no bearing whatsoever on whether or not you get paid. After all, even in capitalism we still pay public school teachers even though we give their services away for free.

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