RUSSIAN SUPER MISSILE TESTED

This is good news!

I cant wait for a strong US/Russia alliance with no schlomos allowed.

Sage for OP linking fake news website

Nope. Tiny autonomous drone carriers. But those will probably be subs too. Just be deployed and embedded in the bottom of the sea awaiting orders.

The reason "Iron Dome" works is because all those rockets and mortars travel subsonically. The SS-N-22 and (and others) were designed specifically to defeat CIWS, by going doing S turns at sea level at mach 2+.
To quote some Jew Jew Trek, you're trying to hit a big bullet with a smaller bullet, while riding horseback. This has been an issue the EW/CTT community has been trying to raise the last ten years or so.

Also Russian doctrine has always been to massively overwhelm US defense systems, so they wouldn't be shooting these one by one.

guize, the CIWS guns fire hot metal at Mach 3
it will have a hell of a lot of trouble to hit the missile hard enough to prevent it from hitting the ship it's mounted on

but who will preform maintenance? high g maneuvers pack a lot of punch on aircraft

meant for

Yeah let's stay on their good side.

Do you even read nigger?

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we're talking about a sea-skimming missile flying at mach6, not a satellite in freefall orbit that doesn't deviate from its obvious trajectory and that is intercepted by a rocket with all the time it needs to accelerate at the speed of the satellite and the (impressive, I agree) ability to correct its course well enough to hit the satellite

You can fire SM-6 at ships. It works against sea surface targets just fine. You just need sensors ahead of you over the horizon to see the missile far enough out.

predicting trajectories and shooting at them is not a thing? Is this only for videogames?
People have 9999999999*10^12 frames per second cameras but the army can't make one to be able to shot down literally anything?

In theory it should be so simple, why it does not actually work?

Just weeks ago China tested their own anti-carrier ballistic missile. Either way, US better step up the fleet antu-missile game lest they get shot up.

we've gotten an infusion of stupid lately. god damned summerfaggots. Intercepting a missile, or satellite is done from a head on trajectory..

There is no other kind of orbit….

They'll be effectively disposable.

I love how these things always assume they'll be used on Western armies. No reasoning as to qhy they'd attack, only estimations of how successful.

The burgers did this years ago, scramjet missiles aren't new.

the SM6 interceptor needs to be precise, but not agile when it hits a satellite on a purely ballistic trajectory
same when it hits a ship that moves at naval speed, because at the speed of the missile, an evasive maneuver from the ship means he would deviate by a mere few meters from the missile impact point, less than the size of the ship

the russian missiles, this new one and the moskit, are supposed to be agile, making high-G turns, and the SM6 may fly faster, but will probably miss

imagine you're a sniper firing at a bird 1 mile away
if the bird sits still, you can hit it, maybe even if it's on a steadily moving train
if the bird decides to fly around doing flips and barrel rolls, even if your bullet just takes 1 second to reach it, the bird's position 1 second later is imprecise by way longer than the size of your bullet

there can be orbital objects that actively change course during their flight, and these are not free-falling
they are much harder to hit

and this changes what to the fact that if the target makes evasive maneuvers, hitting it with a slower projectile becomes impossible because your bullets will always arrive where the missile is not anymore?
wrong actually, there is no privileged orientation of arrival for hitting a satellite, you just need to accelerate your own missile fast enough to reach the satellite's position in 3+1 dimensions

Huh, looks like one of ours. Wonder if Snowden stole more than he let on.

Or is Ivan pissing into the wind again?

no
don't get fooled by the "USA! USA! USA! WE'RE NUMBAH WOANE!" propaganda, the ruskies are world leaders in missiles and in supercavitating torpedoes

OP's pic is the Boeing X-51

This is old tech. That concept art is literally from the 90's.
We probably have light weapons or faster missiles today which can take out these new Russian missiles.
What I'm worried about is how many the Russians would launch if they were to attack us. War games have shown that our military is vulnerable to flood attacks.

1) This is not new technology we've had scramjets for several years, the technology itself was conceived in the 60's.
2) We have point defense lasers which obviously move at the speed of light so this idea that we wont have anything that can stop it for 20 years is simply laughable.
3) A missile moves toward a target not away from it so you don't actually need faster point defense to intercept it you just need good spotting and tracking.

So the fuck what, we're going live with DEW soon. Nice GDP, nice krokodil epidemic.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MARAUDER
psssst we're up to all kinds up fucked up crazy shit on blackwerks

Also not like many of chips are made in China with no one in the US overseeing the manufacturing, it'd be terrible if the Chinese implanted secondary processors as a backdoor, they'd never do that. Also don't mind that Intel chips actually have confirmed "hardware backdoors" but they can only be used by special proprietary Intel programs in Israel and its only to help out IT management professionals.

I'm sure the American military would never put their boys in harm's way by giving them tech that could be compromised with a flip of a switch during an actual all out conflict. The Jews would never set us up like that, they're our greatest Ally.

newer pics of the beast
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BrahMos-II

We're at mach 8 now? I'm getting too old for this crap

Theres serious limits to the kinds of evasive maneuvers a missile with limited control surfaces moving at mach 6+ can do, not to mention I'm 99% sure it will literally rip itself apart if it banks too hard.

What.

if you are talking about ICBM it's because :
1) counter-intuitively their weird parabola path is the fastest path and it never stops accelerating except in the last few seconds (impact speed is about 5-10 km/s). Hence any missile launched after it will be too late to intercept it. Except if the anti missile system is very close to the point of impact, but even then,
2) a very small deviation of the ICBM trajectory (read tilting a fraction of a degree) result in hundreds of km differences, and this small tilting is unmeasurable, therefore you can only predict the ICBM position to the scale necessary for interception a second or two before impact.

Yeah, the electronic jew has always been an issue.
I remember hearing stories of counterfeit electronics ending up in service on military aircraft.
That kind of thing would open up major vulnerabilities like you said.

Mach 8 is nothing.
Here's a test craft we made that flew at 9.6
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_X-43
The space shuttle comes in at Mach 23 but slows down in the atmosphere.

Also
Sure but theres easier and harder ways to achieve dimensional synchronicity. Moving into the path of your target and letting it hit you is typically easier than chasing after it.

my guess would be the lack of precisely predictable motion, if it were uniform motion either constant predictable acceleration or constant velocity on a uniformly straight course or uniformly shaped course they could hit 100% of targets, however, real life is not quite so perfect and fluctuations in air resistance, pressure, heat, fuel purity, wind speed and direction, all of those things would make a difference in the course, the missile might adjust to try to cancel as much of that deviation as possible but it will never be 100%

Why do you think libshits are so terrified of the right? They are more powerful than the greatest military on the planet.

One would also presume the use of a cluster type warhead would help increase the effective coverage of the missile by casting a "net" rather than trying to hit a thrown baseball with a BB.

it aint the speed its versatility, you can use this for multiple purposes, thats the problem with conventional ballistic missiles, there are faster ones already but probably very few that are so versatile as well

agreed, but for that you need either to be positioned so that your missile will arrive on the path of the target when it is fired, or to have enough time to reach it from the other side of its orbit, if it is actually a satellite that stays in orbit long enough for you to reach it
if you need these circumstances to have a chance to hit, there are many situations where you won't be able to intercept it
going fast enough to catch up on it is the only way to be sure

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WEW russia finally has 60's aeronautics tech

WE COMBAT EVOLVED NOW

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MARAUDER

CWIS is slingshot to a .50cal

This rocket travels at 3km/s

You know how fast this is?

Read this.
Now you are dead.

When it gets in CWIS range (2km) it is already over. And it took less than a second.

Also, let me just politely remind you, that this rocket, even without warhead, has enough kinetic energy to equal 100kg of TNT.

People have 9999999999*10^12 frames per second cameras but the army can't make one to be able to shot down literally anything? In theory it should be so simple, why it does not actually work?

Fog and cameras don't work at night.

As well as this being too fast for anything.

So now you are trying to convince me that lasers, that destroy by heating the target up to the point of explosion of propellant/warhead will now be effective at ram-jet projectile that has 0 moving parts, that is traveling at 3km/s in all weather conditions and that is actually heat resistant because it needs to be to survive such speed.

Lasers are toys for chlidren and mortar/mach2 rocket defense.

Beyond that, they are useless.

Can I remind you that russian ram-jet rocket has active ship identifying AI ?

You do realise that even slight banking will result in 1km deviation from course ?

You do get it that it is moving at 3km/s. At such speeds, avoiding anything is pie easy, even with small deviations you make massive course changes. And i bet she can pull 10G's, as anti-air rockets can pull 20.

Let me add
3) ICBM's burn no propellant on last stage of flight and are impossible to detect optically.

*cough*

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It's almost as if Ivan has forgotten friction creates heat and we have thermal imaging.
There is a reason they are still playing catch-up and getting ass-blaster when we point out we already did this shit decades ago.

So you start shooting before it gets in range. You don't wait until the missile is in range to aim; you put the ocean of shrapnel in the air to meet it. All those fancy evasive maneuvers get a lot less possible once you're on terminal guidance if you want to keep your top speed. It'll have to charge straight through a cloud of flak, and on a fairly stable trajectory.

Also, our CWIS systems are plug and play. If these turn out to be a real threat, the only limitation on how many guns we can put on the side of our ships is how much ammo we can feed them.

Good point on lasers. The amount of energy required because of the low time on target makes it virtually impossible.

Didn't the US just test their first antiICBM missile shield?

This worked out so well for every flak cluster ever.

Face it, Ziomutts. Your ZOG army is coming to an end.

who is "ivan" it's sounds so 1950'ish. how old are you pops?

If it is going Mach 8, even a column of water could be enough to destroy the vehicle.

Yeah, you see a blop of heat in like what, maximum 10 second? What are you going to do against that in 10 second, and 30 miles away, assuming you can find that 30 miles away?

Good luck creating a shield of water all the time to surround your entire ship.

You only need to create it in front of the feasible path of the missile. Missiles don't have an infinitely tight turn radius.
This idea doesn't work if the missile is coming from above the ship.

Do you know what else was a concept in the 1990s? The F-35.

Pretty sure 20mm flies slower than 3000 m/s.

Well isn't this a fine how do you do?

Are you going to shield the ship all the time? No to mention this will fuck any non thermal imaging system in the meantime. And this is still assuming you can detect the missle from 30 miles away to ensure a reasonable reaction time.

Just pack more powder in, 2x powder = 2x speed. ;^)

Yeah, I totally agree.
Keep in mind a typical development cycle for an airplane is 10-15 years, and that the US always likes to have new toys.
Do the math.

The brass at the top tends to disagree with the laser assessment believing them capable of taking care of hypersonic threats.

They don't have to destroy the thing, just make sure it can't find target. Cook the fucker's electronics and shit hits the fan. Firing a missile straight is difficult enough, trying to steer it even moreso. Fuck with critical parts and it's a nuclear mortar. Very few people are going to risk throwing a nuke without a guarantee unless it's the end. In that scenario nothing matters as they could nuke themseleves enough to fuck over the rest of the world.

the video is a railgun, not the MARAUDER plasma canon

in fact, a plasma canon would only work well in space
because if the energy of the projectile only comes from the launcher and not from onboard fuel as in a missile, effectiveness will decrease with distance in the atmosphere
and your plasma canon will be devastating at ranges where you can hit anything with a catapult, scary at gun range, problematic at very long gun range, and will make nice fireworks before it hits anything at ranges a missile could reach
and a plasma canon would be extremely complex, and require huge amounts of energy
it could work on a ship, but probably not aboard a plane, because of a lack of nuclear reactor to power it

with the scant descriptions of marauder, shooting probably requires a powering-up time to form and compress the plasma torus, so reactions to an incoming threat are not instantaneous
and with what I know of physics, it very probably needs cooldown time too, so rapid-fire seems difficult

so it's a nice concept, for a defense system aboard an orbital city
that's probably why it hasn't been talked about since 1995, it was shelved

You know how fast your bullets go, you know how fast the projectile is coming.
Some HE rounds that penetrate the surface of the water could shoot up plumes of water to bring down a projectile skimming the waterline.
It doesn't have to be up all the time, or all around you. only in the path of the missile.
Again, ti doesn't work if the missile came in at the ship at a higher angle.

That's a rocket, not a scramjet.

Good luck finding the missile from 30km away to put all that laser on it.
Because 5 second isn't even long enough to burn a missile with no moving part.

what the fuck do you do about cooling?
or do they just plan on only firing a billion dollar gun 4 times

Pretty sure a computer can acquire and process the data at the speed of light.

I realize that. Technology has a way of changing shape and evolving. We went from marauder to the rail because the rail was/is doable with the current tech.

Re-read his comment brainlet.

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You don't seem to get it. That thing is flying as fast as a bullet. And you have to see and react to it in less than 10 second (from 30km away in best case scenario). This is like saying that the best defense against snipers is to just duck down. Jolly gee, only if we know where the damn thing is coming from first.

Pretty sure if it has guidance it has moving parts fucktard. How is it steering? Hopes and dreams?

Yeah, like adding 1 and 0 together. Wasted trips on the most ignorant "opinion" ever. You might as well tell us how you are going to constantly scan 30km radius of your ship to find a flying bullet.

that sounds like laziness

Do radars, satellites, and thermal imaging not exist in your world? Do you know how hard it's going to be to sneak up anywhere going at that speed? Every AWACS and Aegis in a thousand miles is going to know about it.

You're thinking about this the wrong way.

How is the launcher getting targeting solutions? Does russia have anything stealthy enough to hang around our carriers and feed a targeting fix to the death missile launchers?

I don't think they do.

What is the doppler effect?

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What a shitty mind to have.

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That is a good idea, but terrible in practice.

You are basically resorting to idea of ww2 flak guns. If you can't hit your target, you can paint an area with flak shells. While this works with low speed and explosive shells, this isn't working with high speeds, low explosive shells. (ciws has 40 or 30mm he charge, i didn't check. However ramjet travels at faster than detonation speed of most low energy explosives)

As well as it will still travel with full speed head on, even if you manage to knock its engines out or anything approaching that.

It has enough speed to fly without engines for 10km or so. As well as it can go into free fall at will and will follow natural trajectory.

And at 3km/s it is faster than tracking speed of the gun.

Barrage denial is silly idea in practice. You are just wasting bullets. It IS a stop gap mesure, but don't rely on it.

(This rocket also travels as close as possible to sea level, has active radar and optical guidance and is impossible to detect from a ship)

Subs are much safer to be in from today on.
Aircraft carriers are sitting ducks since 90's.
Nothing more than floating scrap with today's weaponry.
(They are however very good for naval economic blockade)

You made a valid point as well.
Lasers require a lot of time before round actually bursts. Even with all focusing, optics, tracking, atmosphere beam shifting and fuel options aside, there remains a big problem of not enough "on target" time to make them effective.

You can sort of mitigate that with higher power but I do not think it is all that easy.

And lasers - very precise optics + filters, special glass that doesn't absorb laser radiation, vacuum pumps and corrosive "fuel" + sea water don't mix all that well.

Very valid point. We might see "Whipple shields" - something used by satelites. Also known as spaced armor.

But at such velocities iam uncertain that they would actually do anything.

Sinking the whole ship and make it a semi sub - is possible.

(Russian anti ship missiles go over the length of ship and then return back to target, penetrating hull from front or back)

One hit will explode a ship.

(It is far easier to lighten the projectile tho)

Are you trying to be dense? The difference between a rocket and a scramjet is a rocket carries fuel and oxidizer while a scramjet only carries fuel and burns it with air. This manifests as a dramatic difference in range. The point of a scramjet missile is that it can go as fast as a rocket but has a range more comporable to a turbofan powered cruise missile. So yes, it's a difference in capability.

*comparable

10 seconds is plenty of time for these electro-optical systems coupled with laser systems to take out missiles. Just watch
If the missile has an IR signature (which it would be pretty damn bright going at Mach 8) it would be spotted a long ways out.
Not to mention satellites would have spotted the missile a long ways out when it when it was launched, and would have been tracking its heat signature the whole way. The ship crew would know where the missile was and how fast it was going. They would have way more than 10 seconds warning.

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Oh, is your laser going to detonate the charge from 30km and in 10 second then? Do the math and tell us what is your laser going to do at that distance? Tell us about the Wattage going to be needed too.

The only reasonable, educated user here. I don't know. But 30km is a long distance, and the launcher itself might not need to be on the surface all the time.
Im not going muh Russia strong here, they are commies and full of ship, but the fact that a non US force is possessing this means the hegemony is coming to an end.

You know how short 10 second is, retard? Let's say your entire defense network takes only 1-2 seconds to find and detect the target. That leaves you with 8 seconds or so to react and destroy a coming bullet. ALL assuming you find it from like 30km away, which is a long fucking way to expect a bullet to fly at you.

I'm not the subhuman retard that literally said computers can process information at the speed of light. Nothing can. Computers use electricity and cables, and no electron traveling in a cable is faster than photon flying through the air.
Eat shit, retarded subhuman. Go die for ZOG.

But user, barring CPU speed, electricity moves at the speed of light. Fuck off.

And the tech is only improving.

so it can do what the 60s tuna can does, but its more economical

got it

Scinfaxi class subcarriers when?

I've been predicting a move to subsurface fleets for years. The value of a permanent water barrier is just too good.

Oh shit. RIDF just told the fuck out of me. I guess traveling at mach 8 also makes missiles physically invulnerable, rather than allowing a single inert lead BB fired from a Wal-Mart-purchased airgun to completely shred the entire thing on impact.

You don't need to destroy the thing's kinetic energy. You just need to poke a hole in it, and aerodynamics take care of the rest. The HE charge on the CWIS is only needed to disperse the cloud of pellets, so as long as you can paint a wall of metal pebbles for a few seconds, the missile will destroy itself using its own inertia.

Yeah it wasn't intended for you.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velocity_factor#Typical_velocity_factors
Enjoy being called a subhuman yet? And a computer is as fast as it's CPU, so your "opinion" stay retarded, retard.

Yeah, just spray that shit everywhere all the time even to false signals. Because missles aren't cheap shit and ivans don't have a history of rocket spam.

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Enjoy being old and angry, and confirming exactly what I said, filtered, tits.

Not even remotely true. Not in any sense. Electrons themselves flow very slowly through conductors, and the signals themselves travel at various speeds depending on the particular conductor in question, anywhere from 50% to 99% of C.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velocity_factor#Typical_velocity_factors
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drift_velocity
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_electricity

That rocket wasn't flying anywhere near Mach 8, and it is only 1,5 km away. And what do you mean by "long way"? How long exactly, and has laser been improved enough to start burning the thing at that distance?

you seem to be shilling this glorified tomahawk pretty hard user…

Fair, a nd I would argue the black projects would have refined this to a degree, it's not negligible to someone sitting there affixing their target manually. Which is what was seemingly being suggested.

Jesus fuck.

The what?

No rocket will have the velocity and range of a scramjet without being absolutely massive in comparison. The rocket equation doesn't allow it.

Sounds like their rationale for letting illegals and snackbars in. Stopping them would be too costly for all the "false" signals.

I'll take one with a saddle bolted onto it, so i can ride around the earth in 3 hours.

New job as world's fastest courier.
Deliver organs to Hong Kong businessmen, make trillions.

The permanent water barrier is good, but you are also slowing your fleet down when you do that.
You are also making them more vulnerable to hyperbaric weaponry like depth charges.
I don't think that submarines will ever go away though. They are such a tactical advantage in naval warfare.
If we ever figure out how to cavitate most (if not all) of the surface area of a submarine efficiently, we might see screaming fast underwater fleets.

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Typical subhuman amerishit ziomutts. No wonder why AIDS ridden ex commies are shitting all over you.

No. It is just that ivans are more reliable than chinks when it come to report about their capability, and retards just triggered my austim when they just spew their mindlessness and ZOG propaganda.
I need to read that Napoleon quote again and lets ZOG west and ZOG east exterminate each other.

And your GPS has a hard time tracking normal jets, much less that damn thing.

You know what, whatever. Enjoy dying for West ZOG. Looking forward to see you subhumans destroy each other.

WEW

High speed submarine dogfights when??

The points were already made Ivan, you choose to stick your head in the sand.

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GPS isn't used for tracking opposition missiles and planes. GPS gives the receiver it's position. Opposition missiles and planes are tracked using radar.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Lasers don't care if things are moving at the speed of a bird or Mach 8 because light moves at the speed of light, almost instantaneous.
If the laser turret knows where the object is, it will be hit by the laser beam.

please enlighten us with the specs of your poo in loo missile user

those pics are a bit bullshit btw
the gas-ejection mechanism is here only to allow it to accelerate to cavitation speed, so as to reduce drag when there would still be water in contact with the torpedo/missile skin
when it goes fast enough, the flat part of the nose is enough to eject water and make a void/water vapor bubble around the whole torp

You are officially the biggest fucking moron in this thread. Manoeuvers cannot be done at these speeds in atmosphere with any existing materials without exploding the fucking plane/missile.

And it takes time for that energy to heat it up.
Also, all that mass isn't going away.
It's still going to hit even if it's a cloud of dust with enough force to kill a ship.

It's an assblasted Eurabian.

I've already explained to you the difference between a rocket and a scramjet. Scroll up if you still don't get it.

You clearly don't know how high energy lasers work. Yes, yes that mass is going away as the particles fucking vaporize it.

Yeah I fucked up, sorry. And this is even worse. You now need to have 30km+ thermal and IR coverage of your ships. For everyone of them.

You dumb mother fucker. Your laser can't destroy a flying scram jet instantly, and certainly not from 10km away. In the video you posted it took almost 10 seconds to fry some shitty rocket at 1,5 km not flying anywhere near what will be used by ivans, much less this new mach 8 scramjet.

Ass blasted? I'm not 60% over here.

Indeed. They had vector flights for a reason.

I still can't get over the drone program they had for these. Shitty and haphazard as it was, cool concept.

Carrier groups have much more radar coverage than that. And Russia/China would be wasting their time using such a missile on any other USN target.

This isn't COD, kid. Go back to school. Where are you going to find the power for that?
Remember that the adults are talking about already existing tech here, and the US laser took 10 seconds to take out a shitty rocket at 1,5 km.

So angry over old tech demos. You'll never see the new stuff, just wonder why your shit keeps dropping like it hit a bug zapper. Idi nahui.

Maybe now?
I've always suspected that there might have been skirmishes in space and underwater that we never heard about.
Technologies like this would certainly make those more interesting.
At any given time, the technology we know of in the public sphere is 20-30 years behind the state of the art.
You can see this by looking to the past and seeing when things that were secret were made public, and when people got the idea to start working on things like that.
This gap between the public sphere and state of the art seems to grow as time goes on.

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No it doesn't, you fucking retard. An electron has mass, it cannot travel at the speed of light, and a relativistic electron cannot stay connected to your conductor because it's a beta particle soaring off.
And even then, what the fuck are you talking about?
The speed of light is a distance divided by an amount of time, how the fuck can a computer calculate something in a distance divided by time?

Yeah they aren't on the sea or anything. It isn't like we have nuclear reactors floating out there.

you didn't understand anything of what most anons posted itt, did you?
do you understand texts that are written at higher than common-core textbook complexity level?
if it were true, missiles/rockets would not work

If you melt the leading edge of a Mach 8 aircraft the Mach 8 air hitting it will do the rest. It will literally break into a thousand pieces.
If they put the laser over the warhead, it would just explode.

Say if ivans decide to fire 15 of these things from all direction at say 50km away, do you think current tech can stop them all?

Do the math and show us how you are not shutting down all other system to power your yet to exist laser?

You do know that muh evil NAZZZES had rocket powered planes in WW2 ?
I apologise for yewtube.

youtube.com/watch?v=wnwQcr8tnAw

So, americans are like … waaay behind dudeeee

You are dead before you've had a chance to react.

If such missile launces from 100km away you have about 35.7s to react.

Satelites are passive devices, radars are active devices.

Radars need warming up time.
Which means.
Either you have it on all the time - and you are signalling to the whole world where exactly you are.
Or you have it off and you are blind.

Thermal imaging needs warm up time as well. As well as it has focus issues and $ issues, as well as it is completely useless in fog or rain.

Guess when the enemy attacks if he knows you are blind in fog or rain.

They actually do. These rockets have optically identifying AI - as well as radar identifying AI.

If you can spare one rocket, you can shoot one in the air and it will find it's own target.

It is more like fire and forget system - just for ship.

It really is not.

That is low speed rocket traveling away from the laser.
Basically easiest to kill.

Russian's ram-jet travels at 1% speed of light ! Think of that. It is insane.

At mach 8 it can coast for final 5km flight. It is very easy to turn off the engines.

That is very much true. (If you know where the launch sites are)

It takes 1s for CIWS to actually put bullets ~1km away. 2s for 2km.

Subtract that from remaining 8s.

You get 5-6 seconds - and you would need to have all your systems active 24/7, which is simply impossible.

It appears that that will happen.

I really doubt you would do much to it.

Today's aircraft are resistant to 20mm AA guns.

Smaller rocket, with radar absorbing material - and with very low profile. It is absolutely doable.

You seem to forget you can fill this thing with sawdust and it would still make a huge hole in a ship.

W-what is ICBM.

Limiting factors for most things is air drag.

I agree tho, ram-jets are insanely fuel efficient.
I wonder if they will make part of their travel in upper atmosphere as air density is greately reduced there.

It has no moving parts comrade.
Ram-jet is "a flying stove pipe"

Then explain to me how this ram-jet missile steers.

Not really. Things are slowing down actually.

We did what we could with pistols
then with guns
then with machine guns
then with mortars
then with planes
then with rockets

It is just the final polishing of "architecture"

It still takes men on the ground to "take the flag"

Good luck converting all this power to lasers. They are horribly inefficient.

(today's lasers are completely chemical tho)

wrong id mate

This is the problem with russian shills. The ruble buys shit.

If they're 50km away, they have already been sighted.
Not to mention they wouldn't have enough time to accelerate to Mach 8…

Come on, man. think. Capacitors. You charge them with excess electricity during the day and discharge them with the big ol' zap.

The Enterprise has been out of service since 2012. Nimitz class only have 2 reactors each but almost as much overall power

Oh shit, I'm sorry.

Well if avoiding things was a missile's job then you'd be set. Unfortunately for you a missile's actual job it to HIT things.
Okay so your fancy missile now misses by 1km, it can't get back on target in time because its going so fast it passes its target before it has time to readjust.

You're not pulling high g maneuvers at scramjet speeds, for starters like I said earlier you simply don't have the control surfaces to do it. More importantly vehicles moving at this speed are already operating at the limits of material technology. In other words they can barely hold together just flying in a straight line.

I will however concede that lasers at the moment are pretty shitty and couldn't stop this thing.

Anyways this whole argument is rather pointless the main takeaway should be that this article is nothing more than britcuck fearmongering designed to mentally prepare people for war with Russia. I mean for gods sake russia already has the capability to destroy aircraft carriers its called launch a hundred missiles at once.

Also, it was in reference to the reaction of a machine vs a human. Since the ural mountain shitposter thinks we all sit on the shores with binoculars

At mach 8 it will have a massive IR signature even with the engines turned off. Especially if it's sea skimming.

Who is "we" and "us"? The government, nation, and economic engine working in concert to exterminate our race? Nothing quite like a thread that implies just the possibility of military superiority over the US to bring all the ZOGlings out in force.

uh, I think you got your maths a lil bit wrong
1% of speed of light would be 3000 km/s
1000 times the 3 km/s of the missile

3000 km/s is in the ballpark of 10 times the orbital velocity of the solar system around the center of the Milky Way

Aircraft carriers in WW2 had an average survival time of 48 hours after being located.

Big, and not sea skimming.

Well, I don't know if the current laser system can do that, so I won't say.

What, you meant your shitty laser burning shitty rockets at 1,5 km?

And? Slavshits shoot 15 of them at the same time. Good luck.
More like 50, knowing their history. And 50 of these things are cheaper than a carrier

If it has ever been so simple as just storing electricity you don't use for later. If the US debuts new battery tech next year, I think your solution will work. But don't tell me you are just going to charge up when ivans show up for their usual missile spam.

The idea would be that you keep them charged until you need them, but granted, such a system would be both complicated and expensive. The American military does seem to like overly complicated and expensive, though.

Oh Ivan, you realize our shitty railgun fires at 2.4km/s da?

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That is slower than this thing flying mid trajectory. And that is the muzzle velocity of your railgun.
Also
WEW

Something that only exists in your tiny mind and is certainly not installed on aircraft carrier just to shoot down missles.

At that distance, you can't see the ship that far away due to curvature of earth

Because it is absolutely mandatory to fly in a straight course for year 2017 missile ?

You know you can make it wobble around just by shifting the weight around. Hitting one of these is impossible.

Why would it choose to miss ?

I have already said that these missiles actually overshoot the ship and then return back to it to penetrate it from upper deck.

I see where the problem lies. High G maneuvers are illegal in your state.

I doubt that. Rocket tech is not new. I mean, russians have S-300 and even S-200 is pretty fast.
They only replaced the "thrusty part" with ramjet.

I am certain that even electronics are just one version up from Igor v1.3a to Igor v1.3b.

Didn't think of that.

There are ways around it I am most certain.

I did. Thanks for correction

It is 1ppm of light then:)

Supercapacitors are too slow to release/dump energy. They are more like batteries in that subject (and most of the times, a lot worse)

You need to discharge your capacitor bank at 1ms or less. That is MW of power.
Perhaps GW.

Let's say it is doable.

You can have smaller ships that serve nothing but generators and cap banks for their rail guns.

Compared to a relatively "compact" chemical laser that only requires a couple of chemicals you can store in tanks.

Lasers is where it is at. Just not at current energies, speeds and costs.

Communism can threaten the world?

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There are probably millions of super capacitors on your average warship, its old tech.

We have supercapacitors fucktard.

I did not mean to meme arrow.

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Does. It DOES threaten the world.

And none of these would ever power a metal vaporizing laser long enough to destroy a mach 8 ramjet. For a long time.
Again, we are talking about existing tech here. Not your fairytale.

You are correct. Capacitors are mandatory for railguns.
(Fast capacitors)

There is a big difference between slow release energy storage and "Pulse capacitor"

As well as pulse applications having plenty of their own issues.
Like screw terminals unscrewing themselves absolutely for no fucking reason.
Random explosions due to insulator defects.
Instant death scenarios where capacitor bank recharges itself from no external input even after it has been discharged completely.

/There are easier ways to kill yourself/

Rate my idea

Already done.

How would you know? The speed does not change how much energy you need to warp the nose cone.

sauce?

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You are right. I made a claim without thinking. Please tell all of us about this new supercapacitors that will release gigawatts of power directly to the laser device in a few seconds needed to stop a Mach 8 ramjet.

I don't think you'll have much luck using lasers to thermally warping the nosecone of a hypersonic missile designed to punch through thick soupy sea-level atmosphere.

No, supercapacitors are extremely fast when it comes to both charge and discharge. they completely dump their energy. They do tend to have a lower voltage which is why they tend to be connected in series. They also leak which is why they are still working on a better capacitor that acts more like a battery in terms of stability with the same charge/discharge rates.

Ships are tall, and they also use drones for surveillance now.
There are also these things called satellites, I don't know if you've heard of them.

Canister shot out of a railgun. Find a flaw.

DARPA literally gets paid to think of cool ideas like this, which they put in filing cabinets and secure servers until someone wants to make the ideas real.

What's the effective range?

I'm sure it was designed to withstand 150kw of energy being dumped into a single point. You're right Ivan, everyone else including the scientists building the fucker, are wrong.

DARPA should hire me.

It's surely ablative. It will likely handle it just fine.

Satellites also do second quick thermal imaging nowadays? Jolly gees, tell us all about it.

Nice, it is like ww2, but faster! Certainly not having to worry about exploding at the exact correct time near the damn thing first!

They melt and fuse to the barrel? Do you have an explosive charge to break them free from the canister that is strong enough to handle being fired out of the gun?

Of course, komrade. 150kw is nothink.

It would be funny if these missiles are just a distraction and real attack is coming from a torpedo.

You're an idiot.
The satellites track the object from its initial launch point, wherever it may be.
That's what the IR satellites do, they track heat signatures and missile launches.

You think they put an ablative heat shield suitable for reentry from orbit into a missile that's never going to exit the atmosphere nor get fast enough to achieve reentry heat in the lower atmosphere?

They're doing that too.

ha

Wow, America strong.

It would be hilarious if the Russians used all kinds of high tech missiles to distract from Ivan with scuba diving gear and a tungsten carbide hand drill.

We've had live thermal in satellites for ages. Hell Skysat-1 was a private sat that did it so they could sell the service.

You guys are stupid if you think real military techs are revealed before wars

Yup. Different tech though. Non hypersonic.

Mach 8 in lower atmosphere will make that thing get hot as fuck. The Sprint missile used ablative shielding too. It went a bit faster, but glowed white hot.

It is when you have a scramjet strapped to you belly.
I'm starting to feel like a broken record. The immense drag and inertia involved in mach 6+ atmospheric flight means that you can not make sudden delta Vs without LITERALLY tearing you aircraft apart. This is a limitation of the actual materials involved you can not get around it with clever engineering.

So your super missile whose only advantage is speed works by overpassing its target and turning around thus slowing it down and making sure point defenses have two opportunities to hit it. Brilliant.

How long would it take a dozen half-inch holes in the bottom of a Nimitz to sink the ship, assuming no remedial action was taken? Can anybody work out that math?

/thread

You cannot invade America. It is 100% impossible. Russia could already nuke the USA via nuclear subs. This missile tech is for someone else. I keep telling you guys Trump can fuck over the zog by sitting back and doing nothing.

It would not even sink because the bilge pumps would dump it all out

You can get the crew to plug the holes with some wooden wedges pretty quick.
I'd bet it would take a month or more to fill the ship with a dozen half inch holes at the very bottom of the hull.

A piece of FOAM can cause catastrophic failure when you're moving fast enough.

Totally agree, even if the bilge pumps were off, it would take
FOREVER
If the ship sank because of that, it was the crew's negligence that sank the ship.

What if the bilge pumps ran so long the reactor ran out of fuel so they all turned off. How much longer would it take with no pumping or plugging?

This but also, you must realize that sometimes revealing something can have more of an effect on the enemy than not revealing it. It's called intimidation.

Plus all the compartmentalization.

There is a ship full of meat pumps.

Ofc but you would never reveal all your cards. And when russia does reveal something, they know USA have other cards too.

In any case, what is public state is obsolete.

Imagining the ship were a ghost ship with no power? I imagine it'd still take a year or more.

the problem with laser defense will be to "dump it into a single point"
lasers have a range, because of decoherence, aggravated by atmospheric absorbtion/distortion
you would be hard-pressed to transfer this amount of energy at a stationary target at 30 km
now consider that it's moving at 3 km/s, and you have a real fucking huge problem tracking it and moving your laser beam fast enough and precisely enough to stay on this "single point"
any microsecond deviation from the spot you've lit so far will result in a large amount of the heat you've succesfuly transfered to dissipate
because there's a considerable amount of air the missile flies through that is able to take away the heat in excess of the temperature the misile cone reaches by friction/compression
if you heat the missile cone enough to change air behavior around it but not enough to destroy it, you've just added modifications to its trajectory that make keeping hitting the same spot with the laser more difficult, which means that the cone has more chances to survive
and if the missile autocorrects, your laser has done fuck all to prevent impact

Hardly. You must realize that the real weapon here is the announcement of this thing rather than the missile itself. Announcing this will force the USA to adapt and spend a lot of money doing so.

Is there ghost water?

An article a couple of years ago.
It is basically a mine with torpedo with acoustical tracking.
It sits dormant and launches only when proper ship signature is detected. Meaning, you can mine your own ports and it wouldn't explode your ship.

Amazing little buggers.

This is very old design:
eugeneleeslover.com/USNAVY/CHAPTER-13-A.html

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_24_mine

Replacing the torpedo with a rocket is easy work.

osti.gov/scitech/servlets/purl/505712
Pulsed storage is not new tech.

Super capacitors are not high MJ/100ns storage.

I have never heard of satelites before Igor. Please, do explain this subject to me in detail. I am all ears.

Flaw ?

Gee. Because ruşsian scientists that build ramjet rockets cannot build heat shields for said rocket, even when it heats up to 500°C due to air friction.

It all makes sense now !

10km from US treasury

Yeah. I think even 2cm of cheap ISO-9001 IKEA grade sawdust and glue - kitchen board would give ample protection for those 10 seconds of travel time.

Compared to 1MW of air resistance with 1MW ram jet engine.

Even torpedos are rocket powered nowdays :)

What is signal path delay
What is sensor response time

10 seconds to kill. Have fun.

You think they put an ablative heat shield suitable for reentry from orbit into a missile that's never going to exit the atmosphere nor get fast enough to achieve reentry heat in the lower atmosphere?

I doubt it would be ablative. Standard steel tip would work out just fine.

Even tungsten if you desire so.

The crew finds it a good argument.

One missile, 3500 points.

Never said it was new faggot. I'm the guy telling ivan we already have these things.

Like Titanic.

They left their bulkheads open.

Huh no. They announce things they have developped already quite a while ago and are like : "Check this out."

Meanwhile they have other things they have oir are working on it that they will not reveal.

See, for exemple if someone had a new weapon that could wipe 3/4 of the population in 1 shot, do you think they would say it?

The Titanic sank because the compartments failed because one of the bulk heads was compromised from the heat of a coal fire.

FFS the Israelis weren't even able to sink the liberty.

Fuck your drill.

Top kek, the russians built a cloud of soon to be broken shit disguised as a missile and there are actual anons taking ridf seriously.

Didn't their bulkheads also not go floor to ceiling leaving an overflow for water to spill over into other compartments?

Yes, but that was only a problem because that one bulkhead burst. If it hadn't, the Titanic wouldn't have sunk.

A fast annihilation by super missiles beats a slow death by modernism.

Reminder it was built by JP Morgan, all the financiers found last-minute reasons to not be onboard, and ever major opponent of the Federal Reserve died when it sank.

fugg, brb moving to NORK

Modern ships neither have enough CIWS, nor does it matter.
Shooting down one when it is 3 miles away is not going to help much if it's traveling head-on, and several more are inbound within a second.

Modern aircraft carriers, surface ships and the F35 are a waste of money.

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Good luck with 2km FOV

Then explain how missile does any course corrections in real time ?

You are a broken record. This missile is already a functioning version.
Flight controls already can steer it to overshoot the ship.

Which part of "it is doable" don't you get.

Materials can be improved, physics cannot.

You are a special kind of idiot aren't you.

It does that to ensure higher kill probability.

It has enough speed to go completely thru the ship if it wants to.

Jokes aside, probably around 1000.

These ships have huge water pumps.
Big ships are impossible to sink. Observe israeli strike on us ship.

About 20 years for reactor to lose part of it's power.

Good luck not getting ground up in propeller after you've done your job;)

Spotted the science-user

I see you fail to grasp super caps won't help pulsed storage systems

I did notice that. Seemed like pretty stupid idea.

yep

Those suffer from inefficiency (lasers aren't 100% energy efficient) and refraction in the atmosphere. There is also a limit on how fast a laser can ablate materials. (The superheated material will expand and block the laser)
A thin layer of polished aluminum is enough to counter military laser systems when massed.

They are about 1-2% efficient in reality. Depends on type of pumping. Chemical ones are better at this as well as being of higher energy density.

What's the origin of that gif? Looks 1960's or 70's.

That was when a commercial entity released it a few years ago. Good luck stopping the tech dead in it's tracks. Because of course nothing is ever improved upon, right?

Looks like 2k slav.

That speed of light graphic is absolutely terrible.

Yes. Which is arguably terrible considering how bulky the power systems.

Those have the problem of being even more expensive and dangerous to handle. (Requiring both rare deuterium and very reactive fluorine)
There exist alternative laser types, but those have the problem of not scaling well (diode based). Once we get to 30-70% efficiency at UV frequencies things will be a lot more interesting.

Right now it's just a waste of money.

You'd need any an army of ivans with drills and to basically turn the entire hull into swiss cheese. Even then they can seal off sections and prevent water from flooding anywhere critical.

Hell I bet a sailor could plug a hole with his finger to stop it.

Then how do you get to the point where we can have 30-70% efficiency?

What's it like being so new?

so, need to drill more holes than there are sailors aboard
multiplied by 2 hands, if holes are close enough
multiplied by fingers if holes are reaaaal close
then when all sailors are busy plugging, some getting greative with big toe like in twister game, Ivan climb aircraft carrier and capture flag

You continue developing, spending the money on R&D instead of expensive ship-based laser systems that have little tactical utility.

In the meantime we need to kill off all these huge budget sinks (F35, Zumwalt Destroyers, new surface aircraft carriers) that only serve to line the pockets of (((military contractors))).
Wasting money on high-tech gadgets instead of proven and reliable technology (that can easily mass produced) is one reason why the Germans lost the war. (V2s, Maus and Tiger tanks, Plan Z, Jet fighters, etc.)

What we need is more drones (which are cheaper to maintain, easier to use), submersibles, missiles, autonomous systems, modern artillery, etc. Instead of all this flashy junk that solely exists to look "cool" and give a contractors a hard on.

You need a lot of processing power, a lot of cooling and a lot of bandwith to increase fow.

They have moved to Iodine lasers now.

They appear easy to operate, but I lack the first hand experience.

Hoever, both are insanely toxic to operate.

You can't. Optical systems suck.
About 5% is best you can get. Like ever.

Remove a couple of holes because not all sailors have all the fingers.
Add the number of holes for sailors with dicks
And sailors who have all the toes.

You are operating with a lot of holes.

Basically

Even in hole drilling operation.
Women are worse option.

Amazing even.
(Unless they bring strapons on board, but those are illegal afaik)

(I did not account for multi dick Chernobyl-Ivans and Igors)

then Ivan mocks umerikan sailors in ridiculous position
lol faggots
and vat dis?

Low tech beats high tech only when you don't care about people.

It is preferable to use high tech stuff in war, less casualties and more veterans.

No no no no
Amerikan got things wrong

Ivan drill square hole !

Then you cannot plug with finger !

(What have we come to:))

Poo-Powered-Projectiles

except he is talking about replacing high-tech weapons with masses of low-tech drones.

Except they do have tactical utility which is why this stage of development is out of the lab and being put to use. It will continue to evolve. Like much of our military.

Yes and every iteration requires less and while also providing more because of technological progress. Hence, claiming the stuff doesn't exist when we have already shown the basics and the fact it does, is bullshit.

All I'm doing is shining light on the claims of non-existence. Quibble over semantics all you like but the stuff exists and is beyond what we have knowledge of (think time limits before details etc are declassified not scary spooky alternative magic juju)).

Rhetorical question you need to continue to develop regardless. It isn't about efficiency anymore when you move to power sources like nuke reactors and then hiding behind "muh efficiency" when you can just make it bigger and throw more energy into it ultimately. Oh the ships are too small to hold it? Make it bigger or mount it on the coast. But but but… yeah we can all move the goal posts all day long.

Fact remains, we are still progressing and smarter people than the posters here are figuring out how to make it work even with all the "gotchas" you think you're throwing into the mix.

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There's different forms of high-tech. There's multiplying the combat effectiveness of your troops and keeping them alive. And then there's blowing money on useless stuff.
Take a look at how the Russians operate. Their new MBT (T-14) has a remote turret and a separate armored compartment that increases crew survivability.
Yet it's both cheaper, safer and easier (and cheaper) to maintain than our M1 Abrams.
While we are wasting billions of aircraft carriers and other surface that may as well be sunk within the first few weeks of hostilities, they're investing in mass-produced anti-ship missiles that will render out surface fleet either obsolete or useless.

It's a question of economics. And right now the US military is not economical.

Deployment =/= tactical utility. Right now it's useful against low-tech opponents with no armor… Which is a situation where even a 50cal or a drone would suffice.
A 30 kw 2-4% efficient laser is not going to zap it's way through a missile barrage traveling at several times the speed of sound.

You can go higher with metal vapor lasers, diode lasers, etc. But again scaling is the problem here.

you guys are fucking retarded why not make a wall around the US so these 'rockets' can't hit us?

Obviously they would not reveal weapons that civilian population. The simple fact that they even developed such a weapon is already bad PR. Meanwhile this thing is specifically meant to target carriers and ships, which are military targets. This is a pure intimidation strategy, this thing doesn't even have to work, as long as it makes the enemy believe that it exists, it's job is done. And the worst thing is that the USA cannot just say "it's bullshit" and not adapt either, since you can never really know which ones are bullshit and which ones are the real deal.

weapons that target civilian population*

The nice thing about orbital mechanics is that you can predict an objects trajectory centuries into the future. There's nothing hard about shooting down a satellite because you can calculate exactly where it will be at exactly what time, anywhere in it's orbit.

No, that's not in existance. FFS even the money pit of the F-35 doesn't have AI.

You mean a dome?

Automatic Target Recognition in AShMs exists.

Optical photography is one thing. Thermal-IR is completely another. Wide angles and high resolutions and high speed data streams are another.

Power is pricey in space. You only have limited amount. Same is with optics for your camera.

Sensors themselves can be improved. Optical technology is pretty much where it is, only factor is cost.

You are just speaking nonsense by now and running around the field in underwear.

Energy consumption issues can be mitigated, energy dissipation issues cannot.

We are talking about MW of power needing to be dissipated.

If we build 10MW laser with 10% efficiency, we need to dissipate about 90MW of heat. That is /A fucking lot/ of heat.

Power supply issues have been resolved with chemical lasers already. It is a non-issue at this point.

You can't progress over perfection and physics, no matter how many shekels you throw in.

Gun is a gun and laser is a laser.

Lasers are troubling when you want reliability and compactness.

Artillery propellant from 60s still works today.

There are more issues than your complaining about "moving goalposts".
No goalposts have been moved, you only bumped into another obstacle you need to overcome.

Yeah I saw that. Survivability was something russians never gave two shits about. Most of their tanks were deathtraps.

M1 abrams is surgeon's blade compared to a hammer.

M1A2 is old stuff but it is good enough for what is required.

Russians however have a lot of territory to cover and it is preferable to increase tanks' fuel efficiency in that regard.

Aircraft carriers are not that easy to sink. It is doable but not advisable.

They are mostly some kind of "pressure" on the regime that they want to influence.

It doesn't need to be when all you need to do is up the tax rate.

It could be made economical but that is not really a priority.

Financial collapse is far more threatening than some 3rd world dictatorship.

Obsolete equipment is last of their worries now.

Both are low power for this application. There is only so much you can do and field applications usually go for - good reliability and modest resource requirements.

Against ramjets, we are talking about 10MW and more for at least 10s.
Huge amount of power.

Things are not all that easy at such levels.

It is not 1990's anymore.

Tomahawks have radar assisted terain map. And they are very old tech.

(F-35 is a fat piece of shit tho)

no need to protect it from above, it can't go higher than a bird or we would of had spacebirds long ago

Shit, terrain mapping dates back to the 1950s.

Welcome to the future.

Dissipates in air. It is only useful in space
And even that, very limited.

Yep. Optical and radar AI is very advanced right now.

(And US navy was worried of loosing tomahawks because desert terrain was too mundane to make any sense of it)

Radar signatures of planes and ships are also a thing. Cheap to identify and very useful.

We, normies - are wayyyy behind on tech.

Only thing we are in the front is probably Wlan devices. There is a lot of signal shaping magic and reflection usage nowdays.
Nothing to be shy of.

Nice taste in manga.

sage for off-topic.

Railguns are a fucking meme, the real ones have a shorter range than a normal 152mm gun AND they have to use a full metal projectile (no warheads) to get them to even fly that far.

Yeah… for a few thousands meters, it decelerate extremely fast.
It's about the worst thing you can put on a ship (but a ship is the only thing that will fit one).
Sure in theory it's awesome, like communism…

Yes, they do fire at mach 3 you imbecile - any rifle caliber bullet tends to go around that fast. But the missile in OP is HYPERSONIC, which means mach 5 or more
You don't shoot something out of the air by having bullets catch up with it, you shoot it by putting the bullets on a trajectory that will intersect the target. The faster something goes relative to your CIWS, the more it resembles just scattering bullets in front of the object's path. But it works.

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dude
what you said
that was precisely my point

when your bullets go at 1km/s, you need to calculate the trajectory of a 3km/s missile and then fire your gun when it's at more than 4 km to have a chance to hit it 1 km away from your ship
if in 1 second the missile makes a 1° trajectory change, it's 50 meters away from the point where you expected to hit it and it's 3 km closer
and your CIWS, let's suppose it's been hollywood-overboosted, with a 100 rounds per second RoF, cannot cover all the possible surface of a 50m radius circle with 100 bullets
you moron

Yes. Why would this be a problem? It's not that hard to come up with a targeting solution such that the ballistic arcs of the bullets fired some time before all roughly intersect the target trajectory. The numbers sound big and bad, but it's quite simple with the computing power we have these days.

Also, why 50m? Quite arbitrary. Why would they fire only for one second? The round will stay in the air for longer than 1 second. And you can have multiple phalanxes on your ship. And you don't need to cover the entire area in bullets, you need to achieve a sufficient density of bullets so that at least a couple of hits are guaranteed. Keep in mind that the hypersonic missile is not only hypersonic to you, it's hypersonic to itself. Moving at 3km/s massively limits terminal guidance jinking. It won't be doing any loop-de-loops that's for sure.

sage for double post

your computer is not a time machine
you don't know where and by how much the target will have deviated from the trajectory you hoped it had after you have fired your bullets and 1 whole second before they fail to hit it where it is not

sinus of 1° angle * 3000 meters = 52,357meter. I rounded down to 50m
this is the distance away from where you were shooting at that the missile reaches in just one fucking second
but once the missile and the round have crossed each other a few 10's of meters away, the missile doesn't give a fuck about the round
yes, but
yes you do actually
if you only cover half the area, you have 50% chances to miss
and if the missile can make a 2° turn instead of a 1°, its deviation is close to double that
which means you need to cover 4 times the surface

but even if you hit it with one miraculous bullet 1 km away, you won't prevent it from hitting the ship it's aiming for 0.33 second later

try looking through your windows (if you don't live in a cave) at some landmark 1 kilometer away, then tap a rhythm with your fingers at 3 tap per second, 180bpm
the interval between two taps is the missile going from the landmark to your face

CIWS is sad and hilarious bullshit against this missile

I wanted to destroy every one of your arguments, but it seems you are far too stupid to see reason so I will use my time in something more worthwhile. I am just letting you know, that you are the most retarded person in this thread.

This is all bullshit. Where are the pictures, where are the sources? Russia is just obviously stroking themselves. Never trust commie lies.

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I remember that NASA definitely had the project of a hypersonic jet. And I remember that the russians were concerned about it just a couple of years ago.

Then there was the emails scandal involving HRC.

And now all of a sudden… the russians have hypersonic jet technology.

Hi, paid shill.

They've been working on it since the '80s.

as I said, arbitrary as fuck
Missing the point. If you can get several seconds of hang time from the round, you start shooting way earlier. You'll just need to start in a higher trajectory, see pic "targeting"
See pic "targeting 2" for worst case scenario where your tracking system cannot estimate the missile's course corrections. It depends.
If. It takes quite a bit to make a hypersonic course correction, and the closer it gets the less wiggle room it has. This is not an object that will be rapidly jinking, it will be making very slight final adjustments to its trajectory.
It won't be "1 miraculous bullet" and the ship can survive a bunch of plastic and aluminum scraps crashing into it even at very high speeds.

You really underestimate the capabilities of computers, mate.

Goyim, no! Russians are the enemy!

and I totally forgot to mention,
THE ACTUAL NUMBER OF SHELLS REQUIRED WILL BE FAR LOWER IF YOU USE AIRBURST/SHRAPNEL

btw, I just went over the numbers, a 2° trajectory change in 1 second resulting in a 100m deviation corresponds to a 10G maneuver, which is suspected to be perfectly within reach of such a missile

let's suppose the CIWS has been hollywood-improved to hit something at 6km range, with bullets flying at constant 1km/s speed
if the missile has the same "S trajectory" evasive methods as the ssn22 moskit, it flies like that all the time, even when it is not in the last 2 seconds (6 fucking kilometers) of its flight path and in extreme range of the CIWS
meaning that if it has been perfectly tracked for all its flight, and the CIWS begins to shoot hoping to hit it 6km away (in 6 seconds of its bullets flight), the ciws must begin firing when the missile is 24 km away, and in 6 seconds the missile will have flown 18 km, and could be 900 meters on any side and altitude of its position just by making 1° turns
but don't worry, you have all of second 5 to correct your firing, and you can aim where you think the missile will be while it's just 20 km away, if you're not too imprecise on its exact position, speed and heading, and your uncertainty on where the fuck it will be is just 750m

no, the missile flies faster than the shockwave of the charge

Precisely what proximity fused 20mm round do you propose CIWS use against these missiles?

Again with the ass-backward's understanding of geometry? You blow up the projectile before it's right next to you so that the intersects the cloud of debris, dumbass, just like they already do in both AAA shells and AA missiles.

CIWS is going to be your last line of defense anyway. You could litter the thing's trajectory with anti-air missiles of your own. Those can carry a considerably larger explosive load and can therefore engage when dealing with larger uncertainties. Hell, if you are really worried about this you can just use nuclear-tipped interceptors. A small, sub-kT warhead can easily do the job and you only need one or maybe a couple to make sure.

think before you post.
air burst can be detonated in front of the missile, and force the missile to fly through a field of (relatively) stationary pieces of metal. there is nothing different between shooting a mach 6 bullet at an object and having an object travel mach 6 into a stationary bullet

I am no expert, but I don't think creating a remotely detonated shell with tight timing tolerances would be particularly difficult. With that, it just becomes a matter of sensors and software.

At high velocities you don't need a warhead.

Read about god rods.
It is pretty fucking scary.

It works ok for current targets. CIWS was made for slow flying shit.

This flying shit flies at DOUBLE the velocity CIWS is spreading hot metal around.

You actually understand what the problem is. Quite rare.

You are not speaking about a computer anymore but a predictor. GIGO applies.

Good luck with your CIWS:)

youtube.com/watch?v=ho_VHOjzMX0

This is a missile with NO warhead. Observe speed at 0:05

IT OBLITERATES THE TANK

Now let me blow your brains out

it travels at HALF the ram-jet missile speed.

HALF

Which means it has only a QUARTER of kinetic energy.

> nasa.gov/missions/research/x43-main.html

then you can shoot sooner

A bunch of sand niggers in fastboats can take down any aircraft carrier , Navy simulations have proven that year after year, aircraft carriers are a massive waste.

The amount of LARP faggots and armchair ballistic engineers in this thread is astounding. Shut the fuck up you fucking niggers, if you knew shit you'd be working on the field instead of shitposting on a korean fishwife newsgroup

t. never had a job

good luck lol this shit is not impressive at all compared to some of the crazier shit that was considered back in the 60s
If they can hit reentering MIRVs, they can hit this. Whether or not the US military is currently capable of it I do not know, I'm just responding to some of the more outrageous shit I see stated
1. A ship is not a tank
2. If you shred it to scrap metal before it hits you minimize the damage. There will be damage, but that's just something you're gonna have to live with
It literally doesn't matter. If you could predict its trajectory accurately enough you could hit it with a thrown brick.

Don't be mad at things you do not understand :^)

t. never had a job

i'm sure that seemed more clever in your head

Dont be retarded you fucking faggot.

If you just wanted to get away from your daily slog at the Area 51 sekrit rockets facility, you could have just turned 360 degrees and walked away

that's the problem with russian hypersonic missiles
they make evasive approach maneuvers

Have you ever been to Russia, shill?

nigger those fuckers are up to like 15 billion a pop

nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/how-one-tiny-swedish-submarine-sunk-us-aircraft-carrier-20503

Jean-Pierre Petit talking about USA and russian weapons.

youtube.com/watch?v=ZKtjxRDEMc0

I know, it was an exaggerated statement to drive the point home. We discussed the specifics of dealing with evasive maneuvers elsewhere. It depends on how much it can jink how quickly and how far out. You couldn't shoot the thing down with current generation phalanxes, but I don't see it as fundamentally impossible to do with a similar gear.

If I had to design something to intercept this, I would probably just resurrect pic related and stick it on an SM-6. Then fire them with slight time delay to scatter the detonations along the incoming projectile's trajectory.

Oh wow. Certainly people haven't thought of this since WW1!

That point is that detect-intercept cycle of CIWS is much slower than the location/direction changes of the approaching hypersonic missile.

Are they? Really? Rule of thumb, the faster something is moving, the more difficult it is to steer it. The missile can only jink so much if it's moving at 2.5-3km/s and is expected to hit a target with an average radius of about 50 meters. As it closes in, the uncertainty in its trajectory decreases. If you can make continuous adjustments to your firing solution, it's not that unlikely. But as I said, the more fudge factor you can introduce by using more explosives, the better.

This is not "very high speed"

This is speed that turns ordinary metal into hydrodinamic fluid on impact.

You are thinking that this missile won't have even basic protection when it has penetrator designed to penetrate ship SIDE-TO-SIDE.

Fused with hopes and dreams and blessed with holy water.

You are shooting a mach 8 bullet with a mach 3 bullet. Do you even remotely know how difficult that is ?

The only proven thing that would save your ass is a Nuclear-Air burst which has been designed to do such job.
All other CIWS nonsense is plain bullshit.

"Timing tolerances"

Missile flies at 3km/s
Your air burst charge travels at 1.5km/s
Meaning

You have 4.5m/ms timing interval.

Lets say anything within 1m is kill zone.

That leaves you 222ns detonation accuracy.

Which means you are very very fucked.

Now understand that speed of the rocket varies, as well as your projectile speed due to charge and temperature difference.

What in the name ?

CIWS has max. range of about 5km. That is it's max.

Speak your mind then.

Because this is actually a working version.

Yes, it is even worse. Top deck is made out of asphalt/concrete and side metal is regular steel.

That is not even remotely possible.
You require fragmentation for dissipation of energy.

Shit will stink when 300kg steel brick hits your ship at 3km/s

It is more than enough to put hole in your ship thru and thru. And perhaps one time over.

a brick would shatter from mere shockwave in front of the rocket.

Thanks, will watch

Detonating nuke in close proximity of your ship. Real smart:)

That point is that detect-intercept cycle of CIWS is much slower than the location/direction changes of the approaching hypersonic missile.

I think that even closed loop system of tracking the target is too slow for such a target, leave alone the detection/intercept phase.

It is simply outgunned and too slow.

Did you pick that thumb out of your ass ?

The faster something is THE EASIER is to steer it.

That is why naval ships in war situation go FULL ENGINE POWER ahead. And don't even think about touching the throttle because that will get you killed.

Fake news.

user alreay crunched the number, ZOG cuck. a single 1 degree turn of this thing at the distance that can travel in less than a second, which is 3 fucking km btw, can result in a 50m manuever. Good fucking luck.

Even more luck trying to convince any non retard to litter the oceans with radiation everytime ivans send a bunch of crap your way.

Those look oddly similar

function ~ shape

oh hey, I found something amusing
a googletranslate of a russian patent
now the missile comes at you at mach 7, but once you've seen it because it's 30km away, impacting in 10 seconds, the scramjet detaches because it would be less functional at low altitude, and your tracking system gets two targets, one is the hot scramjet that draws all your IR-guided missiles and the other is a glider that will slow from M7 to M6 in the 11.05 seconds it will take to impact your 3$B aircraft carrier and that can make evasive at higher than 10G now that it's not slowed and weighted down by its engine. And it can be made more stealthy too

Let us do some actual math

US CIWS 4,500 rounds per minute
Ammo storage - 20mm 1,550 rounds

Chinese have better guns and 30mm. American ciws is outdated.

Never mind that. Say we are not restricted by ammo. Lets up the rate to 7200 rounds per minute. Impressive number, for now.

So, let's say we start shooting at ruskie spam rocket at 3km away. That gives us 1s, only 120 rounds shot, woops.
So, lets go to 9km, further than the range of this gun.

That still gives us only 360 shots before ship is ded.

Let's say you need one per every sq. m for kill.

That's 360 sq. m.

Which is 19m by 19m grid.

27m diagonally

I couldn't get data for 20mm ciws, so lets take those for gau-8 from user
x0.0034 (guns may and will differ)

At 3km - 10m
At 6km - 20.4m (CIWS only has 2-3km effective range)
At 9km - 30.6m

Let's ignore the square to circle conversion and lets see what 360 rounds can cover.

It is at most - 9km with NO trajectory change.
At 3km - realistically, it has enough bullets to cover original path and left deviation and right deviation. Forget the other 6.
That would require CIWS to be previously callibrated and zeroed in. At 9 km it can only hope to shoot in a single spot and hope to hit anything. It has 30m spread ffs.
At 9km it would have simply missed it's target.

About 33% percent chance of success if everything was perfect and we could range to 9km.

At 3km, we can only fire 120 rounds which means grid with sides of 11 x 11m.

And that is the only chance you will ever get.

Gun has 3000m/s tracking speed.

At 1000m that speed drops to 2000m/s and gun is UNABLE TO TRACK a missile.

As annon already calculated, missile could divert 50m in those 3000m, meaning your 11x11 88D chess board is toughly fucked.
(Actual size of board would be 2x2m or even less)

The invention relates to a hypersonic cruise missiles (CMP), equipped with scramjet (scramjet). CMP contains marching step with design, built on the basis of two modules. The first module is a battle and is designed as a glider sustainer stage CMP. The second - unit sustainer propulsion system combines air intake, combustion chamber, the nozzle, the fluid system and devices that run the scramjet. The second module is mounted under the fuselage of the combat module packet (parallel) scheme, with the possibility of separating in flight by BASS team. After detection and target coordinates in the point of the trajectory, calculated onboard equipment control system (BASS) for BASS team produced the separation of the power plant (SU) CMP and defeat the purpose of planning is carried out combat unit. The technical result of the invention is to expand the scope of rockets from scramjet. 2N. 1 ZP f ly-4-yl.

The invention relates to the field of missile technology, and more particularly to a hypersonic cruise missiles equipped with scramjet (scramjet). The invention describes a method of using the device and hypersonic cruise missile (CMP), solves the problem of the combat mission for the defeat of ground and surface targets such missile.

Known hypersonic aircraft X-51, equipped with scramjet ventral air intake, which is a technology demonstrator. X-51 flight tests took place in order to develop technologies used in the creation of CMP. During the tests, the unit was separated from the aircraft carrier at a speed corresponding to 0.8M, and a height of 15.2 km, then he accelerated detachable solid-starter-boost stage to the speed corresponding to M = 4.5-4.8. Then launch the scramjet was carried out, after which the device scored a height of about 30 km and was flying, maintaining a speed of about 5M. After completion of the flight at a given altitude test plan provided off of the power plant and the fall of the unit (based on the 17th AIAA International Space Planes and Hypersonic Systems and Technologies Conference).

This method is the use of the aircraft and its equipment to the technical nature the most similar to the subject matter of the invention, despite the fact that the X-51 makers were hesitant tasks directly hitting the ground or sea targets, as the entrance into the dense layers of the atmosphere of the overclocked to an altitude of Mach number = 5 and a vehicle with a scramjet is associated with the probability of sequential destruction of its powerplant and airframe before reaching the destruction of the object.

The described invention is designed to maximize the combat potential of the CMP with the scramjet and aircraft, discussed above, is accepted as the closest analogue.

To solve the problem of the use of missile weapons in the promising samples scramjet propulsion system requires (SU), which will fully meet all the demands placed upon it.

A feature of the cruise trajectory missiles scramjet is the presence of the main high-altitude flight section, for example, at a height of H = 30 km at a constant speed corresponding to Mach 6. Before hitting surface or ground object CMP must be reduced to the height of the location of the target (for surface targets 10 m, and for the land at altitudes from 0 to 4000 m) and at the same time produce a decrease of flight speed to reduce aerodynamic loads and provide acceptable handling characteristics.

It should be noted that the calculation mode for the scramjet propulsion are flight conditions at high altitude with the maintenance of the settlement cruise velocity, and the need to reduce the height and speed creates intractable technical problems related to the fact that:

- The engine is designed to perform hypersonic cruise flight at high altitude, is not able to continue to work on the low-altitude areas of the trajectory, coupled with a decrease in flight Mach number, it follows that to the ground or surface target missile must be approached with engine inoperative;

- Stability and controllability characteristics CMP inoperative scramjet significantly deteriorate, it becomes possible loss of stability;

- There is also the danger of the destruction of the scramjet designs due to increased pressure in the running of the engine while reducing the CMP with the cruise altitude before hitting the target.

Availability of off-design conditions for the scramjet high altitude causes that enable flight CMP requires regulated power unit (SU), in which the air intake flow of the engine and nozzle are configured to change their shape in a wide range of geometric parameters. Such decisions need to be implemented to create a scramjet performance in a wide range of parameters of the incoming flow. Changing the shape of the air intake, combustion chamber and engine nozzle is only possible with the use of sophisticated control devices.

The above device should provide a work SU wide range of speeds and altitudes by continuously adaptive adjustment to the conditions of flight gas path geometrical parameters and supply fuel substantially from SU transforming scramjet supersonic flow in SC conventional subsonic flow from the ramjet.

The solution of such a complex technical and technological tasks under tight weight and size restrictions placed on weapons systems, it seems inappropriate.

The object of the invention to provide a method for applying CMP to combat scramjet to destroy ground and surface targets within the constraints imposed on the flight propulsion rocket.

This object is achieved by the fact that in contrast to the known method defeats the purpose of the capital master plan, which consists in removing the missile at a given altitude and flight speed starter-boost stage (CPC), the CPC office, launching cruise scramjet, active flight at the design height in the direction of the goal, search , seizure and destruction of the target, in the claimed invention, after detection and target coordinates in the point of the trajectory, calculated onboard equipment control system (BASS) for BASS team is made off scramjet followed by separation of the power plant by marching step by tripping piroustroystv and defeat the purpose carried out planning combat unit, correcting its trajectory according to the homing system.

The proposed method makes it possible to realize the combat capabilities of the missiles by firing at a target while minimizing approach to it due to the high speed of the march CMP flight.

Branch power plant will reduce the drag and hence to increase the duration of the planning area and combat unit will be able to withstand high overload permissible, and hence have better controllability. Also SU compartment lead to a significant decrease in firing module effective surface scattering and hence to reduce its visibility, which is especially important at the approach to the target.

For carrying out the process of hitting the target in the known device of hypersonic aircraft, comprising solid-starter-booster stage (CPC) and the marching step with ventral air intake scramjet liquid hydrocarbon fuel, comprising SU containing air intake, combustion chamber, nozzle, the fluid system and devices that run the scramjet, the claimed invention there is provided marching step by CMP to build on the basis of two modules, the first of which is to combat and is designed as a glider sustainer stage CMP and the second - in the form of unit sustainer propulsion system, combining the all of the above device SU and fixed under the fuselage of the combat module packet (parallel) scheme, with the possibility of separating in flight by BASS team. This module propulsion system (IAS) mounted under the fuselage of the combat module piroustroystvami, and to ensure supply to the power plant unit propulsion fuel and control commands it is connected with the combat unit discontinuous hydraulic and electrical connectors.

The proposed CMP device allows to solve the problems associated with the creation of hypersonic combat unit through a specially designed rocket, allowing it to separate from the marching power plant, thereby avoiding the need to make a flight with a scramjet to deliberately off-design conditions. In addition, the union into a single unit air intake, combustion chamber, nozzles, heat exchanger and the fluid system will significantly reduce launch weight of CMP, as its design will be perceived only loads acting on the dispersal areas and active (working with scramjet) flight.

The modular design will allow SU to make it an autonomous ground tests and increase the reliability of the whole installation.

The essence of the apparatus illustrated in FIG. 1 ÷ 3. FIG. 1 is a perspective view of the starting step CMP, Fig. 2 - layout sustainer stage CMP. FIG. 3 shows a general view of the combat unit. FIG. 4 illustrates the division of the combat unit and MSU after powered flight portion where a section A-A shows the location piroustroystv fuselage (19).

Start CMP step (1) is made by the normal aerodynamic scheme with plyusoobraznym plumage starter-booster stage.

The stage contains the starting kickoff-booster stage and marching gear (2) with a two-keel empennage and wings mounted on the fuselage having a longitudinal plane of symmetry. Under the fuselage of the combat unit sustainer stage mounted in parallel module power unit (3) with an air inlet (4), the pylon assembly (5), combustion chamber (6) and the nozzle (7). Securing local government by means of piroustroystv (8 and 9), giving a control command to the power plant by means of a discontinuous electrical connector (10) and power is marching fuel through the bursting gidrorazem (11).

The forward fuselage of the combat module (12) located onboard equipment control system. On average, the fuselage compartment (13) has a fuel tank and the payload bay. By the tail section (14) is mounted starter-booster stage (15).

Said device operates as follows.

After separation from the launch vehicle produced CDS and CMP concluded on march speed and altitude. Further downstream from the CDS, and simultaneously starts the supply pilot fuel into the combustion chamber of the power plant from the tank, located in its housing (16). Coming from this fuel tank, igniting using pyro (17), runs the power plant and prepare it for operation on the main fuel, placed in the middle section of the fuselage. Next, the scramjet launch and the rocket begins to cruise flight.

After the end of the active portion of the flight propulsion system is separated from the combat unit. Plot trajectories associated with the planning and the defeat of targets, overcoming a combat unit (18).

Thus, the present invention makes it possible to extend the scope of rockets from scramjet.

1. A method for hitting surface and land targets hypersonic cruise missile (CMP), which consists in removing the missile at a given altitude and flight speed starter-boost stage (CPC), the CPC office, launching cruise scramjet (scramjet), active flight at the design height towards the target, search, capture and destruction of the target, characterized in that, after detection and target coordinates at a point of the trajectory, computed onboard equipment control system (BASS) at BASU command produced off scramjet followed by separation of the power plant from the march stage through operation piroustroystv and defeat the purpose of planning is carried out combat unit, correcting its trajectory according to the homing system.

2. The apparatus for performing the method hitting surface and land targets hypersonic cruise missile, comprising a solid-starter-booster stage (CPC) and the marching step with ventral air intake scramjet liquid hydrocarbon fuel, comprising a power unit (SU) comprising an air inlet, a combustor, a nozzle, a fluid system and devices that support the operation scramjet, characterized in that the sustainer stage CMP is based on two modules, the first of which is to combat and is designed as a glider sustainer stage CMP, and the second - as a module sustainer propulsion system that combines all of the above device SU and fixed under the fuselage of the combat module packet (parallel) scheme, with the possibility of separating in flight by BASS team.

3. The apparatus of claim. 2, characterized in that the propulsion unit (ISU) mounted under the fuselage piroustroystvami combat unit and connected thereto discontinuous hydro and electrical connectors.

findpatent.ru/patent/257/2579409.html

The new Russian missile is probably going to be nuclear also, all the new chinese asm missiles are nukes. That way even if it only gets a mile from the target it still racks up proximity kills.

That is great find user.

It means your ship is troughly dickered (and is about to get hit by two hypervelocity objects)

Chances of your survival dropped by 50%.

Good luck with your ciws.

as I said, it's googletranslated russian
pics

It is good enough.

Basically, in last stage of flight it can be turned into a flying undetectable bullet.

leaving a hot decoy behind, yup

Remember we are talking about hitting a carrier task force, which would mean ww3, conventional weapons would not be used. Everything will be nukes. This changes the CIWS relationship of intercepting targets within 2000 yards to having to intercept 5-10 miles out to avoid fallout. Killing the targeting system used to home in on the carrier would be essential.

Even if such a proximity fused HE/frag 20mm round existed, 20mm is still quite small so it wouldn't pack much punch. A 20mm M56 HEI round without a proximity fuse only causes human casualties at about 2 meters. That's not very much at all when you're trying to hit a hypersonic missile, and you have to figure that including some sort of ludicrously tiny proximity fuse would reduce that payload even more.

I think you mean
>it spends less time within range, meaning you have less time to intercept it.

The faster a missile is flying, the stronger the forces it will be subjected to when it tries to make a turn of any given radius. Hypersonic missiles can turn, but certainly not on a dime….

Proximity fuses for 20mm are possible, however that is very unlikely.

It is expensive and payload is shit. It only has like 10g of explosive.

30mm shells are better with that and they have timed fuses - so they are easily adaptable to this situation.

Not necessarily.

It may only mean ship crews may avoid the danger zone and safe zone will be 150km from coast or more.

These things won't come to subs anytime soon, so us navy is safe for ~5 years or so.

This also rules out whole Mediterranean for US cruisers as well as harrasing any russian navy within ~200km.

It is area denial today as much as aircraft carriers were in the day.

Tho carriers still have a big advantage as bombers can easily reach to 1000km, it will only take a bit longer.

How are 30mm timed fuses set? Can they be set on the fly electronically? Can they be set fast enough that a CIWS could set them an instant before firing, at 5000 rounds per minute?

Their speed makes it unnecessary for them to even need to turn. If they fly so fast that no other missile can possibly intercept them, then it doesn't matter how quickly they can turn. Any minute deviations at that speed will be enough.

50m deviance from 3km away is same at 5km/s or 1km/s.

If we do the math and assume it started with 0 deviance velocity. That is 100m/s if we take that max. velocity is twice the average velocity.

100m/s /s is 10G (at 3km/s)
at 6km/s that is 20G

Well within specifications.

Even measly 5G is doable for 25m deviation (that makes +-50m uncertianity for defense.

For russian - s300

Missiles are catapulted clear of the launching tubes before their rocket motor fires, and can accelerate at up to 100 g (1 km/s²). They launch straight upwards and then tip over towards their target, removing the need to aim the missiles before launch. The missiles are steered with a combination of control fins and through thrust vectoring vanes

Perfectly doable. Even a human meat loaf would survive 5g.

They are set "on the fly" as they leave the barrel.

Their velocity is measured and timing is adjusted accordingly - to their velocity and target proximity. Such system is already working.

It could. I think 30mm CIWS at 500 rounds per second would work at 1km range dropping to a minimum 100m range before impact.

Tho, any proximity will be irrelevant as you need solid shot for this kind of projectile.

It may be simply easier to put additional armor the ship. Granite rock is plentiful and cheap for such a vessel. Antitorpedo hull is not that much different.

I'm not saying it can't turn, I'm just saying that your assertion on the relationship between velocity and turning is misleading. A missile like that is limited by the strength of it's structure, try to turn too hard and it will break apart. Say the limit is 20G. The radius of a 20G turn at mach 8 will be much larger than the radius of a 20G turn at mach 2. Yes, it's going faster so the time spent in the turn is slight despite the greater distance spent in the turn, but I don't think you can really describe these missiles as nimble.

That would be quite a sight. The fastest autocannon I've heard of is the 23mm GSh-6-23, at 10,000 rpm. 30mm Metal Storm when???

I suppose you mean the combined output of all the CIWS's able to engage the missile

Another thing that will happen with nukes is to fire multiple missiles timed so that the first one will detonate well outside of normal CIWS range, hashing radar and electronics. Allowing the followup missiles to accually target the carrier and intercept it in a weakened state.

I understand what you are saying, but shit, it was 99 Cents.

Jokes aside. 20G is 20G. Aside from larger radius, it can do same amount of trajectory change as any other rocket.

If it needs to make 50m correction

No, just one;)

That would be like having an f1 engine on deck. That would run for 1s.

And then there would be a massive explosion and sound wave shock.

If you have all limbs attached you have lived, otherwise you have not.

Russians had that for 20 years now on whole fleet.

When you mentioned metal storm

That is actually doable concept in this aspect.

Velocity of bullet is not as important as getting it in the trajectory.

Then again. Additional armor is cheaper - and passive.

And so is 10m of water.

Ramjet missile would be unable to penetrate to and significant depth IMHO.

That gives me an idea. Scale an Arena style system up about 50x.

Ok well we will see how well ship class that was almost sunk by a dingy filled with explosives fairs when bathed in nuclear fire and high rad alpha particles. My bet is that any fancy electronic gizmos like radars, lasers, and railguns are going to be fucked.

navy-matters.blogspot.com/2012/06/ship-construction-and-naval-armor.html

That was a quick response to the US test, that's for sure. People positioning the test was against Russia were fucking retards to begin with. Nobody is going to win a fucking nuclear war even if you could strike first. The Russians don't even need to be alive for them to let fly the largest dildos on the plannet to fuck you in the arse.

Nukes suck at sinking ships, so the ship would probably still float unless it was damn close to the detonation. Of course the superstructure would be absolutely raped, any crew would be lucky unlucky to survive, and the ship would be ruined beyond repair meaning it may as well have sunk…

The problem is genocidal kikes like Henry Kissinger are whispering into the ears of our DC politicians that it's possible for America to win a nuclear war. That filthy yid is quiet possibly the most dangerous man alive.

That is pretty much what we need

~100m detection and a lot of shrapnel

If you fire first, you loose.

Correct. If it floats it can be towed to harbor.

If it is beyond repair - it is still good for scrap.

Oh, you mean nuking the ship that would launch ram jet missiles ?

For 300km range, you have 100 seconds.

50s if you meet her half way there.

Either you strike first - or you are on defense.

He is. Luckily, trump has been hearing the kwetching ever since ivanka got born and then pregged.

That is what is meant by "proximity kills", a nuke hit near a task force would not necessarily sink the ships outright but it would render them unusable.

Who would have the balls to scrap a ship that was nuked? Poo in loos I suppose.

You'd be surprised what goes in the furnace sometimes:)

Steel can be easily washed and made non-radioactive.

Even mild contamination is not a problem.

THIS. EXACTLY. We should not be killing other whites, even if they are slavs. being on Holla Forums you would think people would wise up to the way kikes operate.

sure about that?
an underwater nuke not too far away would make an overpressure wave that may well punch the exposed side of a hull enough to un-weld it all
all ships of the combat group sunk in seconds
see your link in
they were way more armored than modern ships

It would be a problem for the men tasked with hosing down the ship, and cutting it up. I don't think that's a job that could be done in America.

Then leave it where you found it ;)

That webm is a great merchant collection.

the transqueers manning the aircraft carriers wont even see it coming

This is catchy

From what I've heard, a carrier sinking would kill more niggers than white men. So I suppose that's a silver lining…

This is accually quite possible if the sucker is really going at mach 8 and less than 50m above sea level.

20mm CIWS is to slow and weak, it was designed for subsonic ASW like Harpon, Exocet and it's Soviet equivalent. To late deployed, might have lead to catastrophe in case of conflict with the SU. As the Falkland conflict did show NATO navy had no good air defence against this cheap and powerful weapons. The Soviets had at that time already faster and more destructive variants deployed.

Exactly, you want to destroy the missile in a safe distance otherwise you have the same problem you had in WWII with Kamikaze or Torpedo bomber, AAA could “destroy” the plane but not prevent the warhead from reaching the ship.

To slow for hypersonic missiles. It is like to try to intercept a Mach 3 SR-71 with a subsonic A-10.

Not on any ship. I dare to say current NATO air defences would struggle with already deployed Russian ASW missiles, Moskit, Bramos, Granit etc.

A tomahawk missile today costs less then a million dollar. A carrier costs more than 10 billion dollar. I could simultaneous launch 100 subsonic cruise missiles and pretty much guaranty the destruction of the carrier. Granted that does not include the price of the launch vehicle and sensors necessary.

Like AAA in WWII, but wasn't effective then with slow and relative big planes. You just can't put enough “lead” into the air to cover it 100%

See

Exactly

I guess traveling at mach 8 also makes missiles physically invulnerable, rather than allowing a single inert lead BB fired from a Wal-Mart-purchased airgun to completely shred the entire thing on impact.

The problem is the placement of your “wal-mart air gun bullet” and the fact that single small bullet is not going to stop it, like it wouldn't stop a artillery grenade

If this would work that good, we just had AAA as air defence, in practice with much slower targets the hit probability is very low.

There are a limited number of launcher and relatively slow AA missiles, you can't use them like a shotgun.

There is no column of water and a little bit of spray wont stop it.

So what, if you have nothing to stop it?

That is the interesting question. Probably satellite data or a rece-plane or over-the-horizon radar.

Those missiles have 500km+ range. If you think such weapons are no threat to the US navy, you are deluded.

I think radar and especially optics are very difficult to implement at that speed and consequently heating of the surface.
So this missiles might depend on external guidance.

The Eliat did sink very fast after being hit by Soviet made missiles.

Thanks my friend. People forget that missiles are cool and all, but you still have to locate the fucking carrier group. And it doesn't want to be found.

You're basically playing that elementary game of hide and seek, in a giant field at night, with a flashlight. You can turn on your flaslight, but if your oponent isn't there, you're fucked. Because then they'll see you.

A little drunk. Satellite data is cool and all, but you're dependent on overflights and good weather. I'd more expect you'd have cheaper ships (like destroyers) and stuff further away from the launcher, and operating drones or blimps or similar to get more range to the radar.

I don't think the Russians have what we're trying to do with the F-35 which is going to be a full sensor suite that communicates over firewire to the full tactical plan allowing all units to see what's around.

I don't think the russians have anything like this. They have a cool missile, but the only way they're going to be able to use it is like pulling a belly gun in an alley way. If they pull it and shoot it, they might kill someone, but everyone else nearby is going to know it's them. They that ship is going to be fucked.

I feel like the big inaccuracy of your statements is that the missiles are not flying to catch the other missiles. They arnt dog fighting or chasing after the hyper sonic missile.

Unless the hypersonic missile can turn on a dime it is going to have pretty easy to map out flight curves that it can take to dodge an icoming anti-missile, missile otherwise it's defenseless. The missiles seeking it are not flying after it, they're flying to it, from it's target. It will almost always be a head on strike, or strike from below. The navy just has to use it's computers to calculate the course of the missile and it's speed to determine possible locations for the targets future location and have their missile intercept it, or be in that location at the same time as the incoming projectile.

They can do all that while their missile is in the air. The defense shell is small enough compared to the detection shell that even with it going 7 8 or 9 times the speed of sound, they can still stop incoming missiles.

It's the reason the US has been focusing on stealth so much more than fire power and speed. Early warning nullifies a lot of that, but if you don't even know an attacking is coming it's pretty impossible to stop the attack.

If the missile is like it's compatriots, and it is flying low to the ground, it either has to know where it's going, and with moving ships that can change in the course of its flight, in which case it either has to be some level of smart which can be interfered with, with ecs, or it has a link to a Russian base which means it can probably be "seen" by an aircraft, which means one of the American equivalents would be able to see and detect it as well. I think this is mostly a hype piece, designed to bring more "Russia Scary!" When really the weapon only has limited tactical usage.

But what do I know, I beat it to anime titties all day.

Found the faggot that's employed by the alphabets to sit in a cubicle all day, look at radar and beat it to anime.

Don't tell my boss I also post in basket weaving forums goy!

No but seriously, he can't get to the RAM codes anymore. IT's not funny. He can't sell the coating technology to the russians. :P

RAM formula? Radar absorbant material.

It was funny in my head.

al';skf

It has additional gps navigation.

I have faced the same problems, russians apparently have solved them.

Issue lied with getting out and receiving data due to plasma effects at such velocities.

Moving antenna in "tailfin" or further from the head solves the problem.

Optical and radar are ok if you are not relying on thermals.

They are giant lumps of steel on relatively flat sea surface.
Carriers have not been updated with radar absorbing and deflecting materials and shapes.

They are very easy to find.

Russians never invested a lot in plane technology.

If it flies it is good, that is that.

It is called hit to kill.

Mandatory at high velocities.

And it is nearly impossible with even tiny change of trajectories.

You haven't been reading the thread have you.

It has ship identifying and tracking Radar with AI.

It knows when it is being targeted and when to avoid countermeasures.

Supreme commander predicted

We are going back to ww2 days with subs having tiny scout and fighting planes on board.

History kind of repeats itself doesn't it

You can't hide a carrier on the open ocean.
It's easy to spot something that big from satellite imagery, optical or thermal. Especially thermal since those things have nuclear reactors on them and the heat has to go somewhere.
Say, you have a satellite pic from 3 hours ago that shows carrier group at location X. Take a map, draw a circle around that location with a radius of what the carrier can move in 3 hours at it's max speed. They're not the fastest things. Send spyplane.
Now the carrier has two options: either they ignore the spyplane and get spotted by it, or turn on its radar and shoot down the spyplane. Only, by turning on their radar, they broadcast their location to absolutely everyone.
So, the carrier has been spotted. If there's a ship in range, fire a missile at the location. The missile's internal sensors are more than capable of hitting the carrier even if it's moving at full speed.

Save us Putin, deliver us from this hell!

They do have ECM's aboard. But RAM was more a dig at the F-35 being used as a forward operating sensor suite.

Same why I'm a little shocked at the russians not developing something similar.

You're approaching the problem all wrong. You don't have to hide, just not be found. Totally different. I can't really expand upon this, but give this a read.

Radar horizons are a big deal. Spy satellite stuff is great and all, but not the be all end all you think it is. They have known orbital patterns. You can just avoid the satellites. That's a thing we've been doing since the 60's.

Give this a read.
navweaps.com/index_tech/tech-031.htm

For example

You can see whitewash from a ship in broad daylight.
It is really easy to spot a moving ship. Perhaps look at google maps around harbours and you will see.

Missile's speed makes it that ship could have traveled only 1km from the time it was launched.

ECM is useless

Why would. They know mountains of steel show up on radar no matter what.

That is plain nonsense.

It is a fucking carrier. It is a floating city !

Tell an engineer this is possible and he'll laugh in your face. At best it could go off course a couple degrees and correct back into its target. Don't expect it to dance like a TOW missile. You see how large the wings are on a jet to make the kinds of turns it can do? They aren't that large on this thing. Even if it slowed way the hell down, it couldn't make sharp turns.

A CIWS can find a missile, pinpoint its velocity, and fire off enough BRRRRT to fill the sky in the general area within seconds. Unless you can fire something faster than a CIWS can find you, or make it so hard to stop that 20-40mm can't cause it to explode, you're not getting anywhere. This is not a tiny projectile we're talking here. This is a fucking giant missile strapped with an explosive payload. You'd need a sneak attack that puts you 1 km/s, you'd have to find a primary explosive that wouldn't detonate in mid-air from unthinkable G-forces but would still detonate when it hits the target. That might be a challenge in itself, but then again I'm not an expert on explosives.

And for the love of God stop reddit spacing. Your responses take up the entire page and then some.

This.
The soviets had one of the most advanced armies on earth, and they were defeated by a bunch of nomads living in caves and moving heavy weapons on donkeys.
This.
The USA had one of the most advanced armies on earth and they were defeated by a bunch of jungle gook monkeys moving artillery pieces up mountains on poles made of bamboo and digging tunnels with wooden spades.

Low quality men will not win even with high quality weapons.

Win the next war folks. Learn. Adapt.

This.

Always remind yourself to never underestimate your enemy. Even if it's a bunch of retards, there will be a few autists who revolutionize war tactics with some of the shit they throw at each other and a few stones and some flint. Always maintain beginner's mind.

Russians were always ahead in stuff like materials science and metallurgy though. Like decades ahead of the USA in a lot of ways.

Neat. Nuke Israel.

This thread makes all the newfags stick out

but no

They announce things that can't be hidden by any means when tested, such as giant rockets and nuclear blasts.

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We could be colonizing Jupiter if it weren't for the fucking kikes.

explosives? hm, the most powerful that aren't computed chemists dreams have an energy density of about 6 MJ/kg
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_density_Extended_Reference_Table
which is about the amount of kinetic energy you get from a 1kg mass at 3 km/s
we're reaching speeds where it is more interesting to equip the missile with some armor and more fuel instead of conventional explosives

and look at the number crunchings itt for CIWS capabilities, in terms of rate of fire and range
during the less than 2 seconds the missile is within range of your bullets, you have to saturate too much space with too little bullets to have a chance to be effective

Stop being dumb, speed isnt the only factor, maneuverability is another. Lasers are countered by fucking fog, and an anti sattelite weapon cant be used to engage something flying 5 yards above the waves.

The jamming capabilities mean you cant localize it with airborne sensors, the altitude means youre only seeing it with ship sensors 15-25 miles out. The speed means it crosses its total engagement range in 2.5 minutes, Aegis sensor (and thus SM3) envelope in 20 seconds, CIWS envelope in 1.5 to 4 seconds depending on system.

Shipboard ready states are classified but I can tell you theyre counted in
MINUTES
Often with more than one digit, if you know what I mean.

So by the the AEW spots the missile, alerts the tactical officers in the fleet, and the fleet is brought to full readiness (captain gets his fat ass to the bridge), the missile is already burned through half the defenses in place.

On a low-discipline ship, which is every ship in USN, the captain would arrive in time to see the missile tear a hole in his duty station.

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Russia has half the GDP of California. They boast about their missile systems but they've never done anything impressive. Those starving niggers are likely responsible for nuclear material ending up in the hands of terrorists because the people responsible for guarding it gave up and went home when their paychecks didn't arrive.

And you're calling other people new fags? Go suck a commie dick newfriend.

God bless you user.

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You are aware that Russians have been at the forefront of Scramjet tech and we had to buy data from them in th 1990s to catch up, right?

This kind of thing is quite scary. It's only a matter of time before weapons tech advances sufficiently that nukes are no longer mutually assured destruction. At that point all bets are off, no more third world proxy wars, we will be right back into terrible wars of immense scale between first world countries.

I wonder who could possibly be behind such a terrible thing user?

Here's a little thought.
If most urban centres in the west become almost 90% foreign, nuclear war won't even fucking matter.

I am too goddam drunk To give a rat fuck about Russia and muh supermissile
Fuck kikes fuck muds fuck commies all to death

>the possibility for conditions like post WW1 to give us a literally Hitler
TET

That's a fucking sweet car man

I certainly don't.

Big Boss's dream?

You misspelled "dysgenic". No matter how strong you are, an artillery shell from the blue will kill you. The ones who survive most frequently are the ones unfit for service. The weak, the ill, the cowards.

Please see embedded. Turn on autoplay.

Possible.

The new heavy lifter rocket that NASA is developing is capable of transporting a 130 metric ton payload to orbit. This is the maximum theoretical mass for your rod from god. We'll assume you already have sufficient dV up there to drop it out of LEO. Depending on the angle you want to hit your target at, the maximum impact velocity you're going to get is about, well, as fast as one of these missiles. We'll say 4,000 m/s. ke = mv^2. Gives you about 2.08×10¹² joules of energy delivered on impact. Sounds like a lot, right? Not really, that's about 500 tons of TNT equivalent. Hiroshima was 15000 tons of TNT equivalent.

Oh, and this is at a per shot price of about 500m to launch the components into orbit, using next gen tech and giving you free dV on the weapon. Reality, you're looking at 1b/shot. A nuclear warhead costs about $2m USD, and you could put 100 of them into space and drop them wherever you want, if you're already violating space based weapons treaties.

In other words, rods from god are poorly written science fiction from someone who never took physics.

Shells killed equally and randomly.
Deserters were shot, the weak were murdered, and the ill died.

feels bad, man.

Go play COD.

Wait, didn't China reveal it's Mach 10 missiles just a year ago? DF-21 missiles.

CIWS has never been made to counter anything flying 3km/s, consider that it is flying it's maximum engagement range in a second. In fact, since when has CIWS even shot down shitty mudslime mortars? They take seconds to even shoot down current shitty rockets.
And a 1 degree turn from 3km is 50m. So the thing could have moved for a total of more than 150m in your

This one is from Russia, that's why people actually care.

Doesn't even need to be ablative. A (I probably shouldn't say this) simple certain type of coating mumble mumble 99.9% wideband insulator [email protected]/* */ now 150W muh us aye stronk tho

Adaptive optics and guide lasers fired just prior (you can see this in the COIL laser testing videos) will counteract most of the atmospheric noise. That said LOS is needed unless you have some super duper powerful 94GHz laser I don't know about.

Not happening. Rayleigh scattering brah!

Depends totally on the type. What is typically used in defence are actually extremely efficient, closer to 40% depending on design… ytterbium fibre lasers @ 1064nm. I know someone who works for the Russian owned, US based world leading company that makes the lasers for military and is involved in their development. They had 50kW lasers 5 years ago, which could make plasma in mid air…
I also develop lasers with defence applications based on a new laser tactic, which is not currently known or deployed yet.

Also COIL/chemical lasers are pretty much a dead end. Most programs have been dropped for good reason.

In summary, from someone who actually has an understanding of what is involved with laser defence - good luck with stopping any ASM that is hypersonic + rapid manoeuvring or appropriately designed with such threats in mind.
Maybe in 30 years time we will have enough lasers and small enough to do it. Like we are talking hundreds on one ship…

I would personally not even directly attack the missile, instead just make a ball of plasma in front or around to disrupt electronics and potentially introduce aerodynamic changes.

There is one interesting laser (when looking at conventional tech) which was an anti sat laser called Hydra. It went black also but they were supercooling lasers and getting beyond the magical 60% efficiency mark. Once you get up there, you start literally dumping waste heat out via the beam. So this can become a.. ahhm.. 'self cooling' beam leading to really funky shit hence black project .

What is apparent to me in this thread is many people have this incorrect assumption that USA is best at everything cus muh ISISrael/USArael is stronk and muh budget. And the thinking that a CIWS doing 1km/s and the tiny pieces of shrapnel will stop something doing 6km/s designed to penetrate a fucking ship. It could directly hit the missile and it would STILL LIKELY HIT AND FUCK YOUR SHIP UP. Fucks sake they don't even need warheads to sink a ship with an ASM.
Let alone;

I have heard multiple sailors describe the CIWS as the 'oh shit'/last minute alert and that they're pretty much useless. Enough said.
And not to forget, none of that budget is not wasted on 200 dollar hammers and other gross corruption. Defence lasers, yes, US leads the world, but built by a RU owned company lol. Germany probably second.
Russians have a massive lead (and have since 70s or even before) in missile tech, let alone scalar/quantum tech where they also enjoy a lead.

Fucking lmao at this and this user too funny

And ouch
Forgot to mention the Iskander SSM also has decoys kek

TET
KEK

>uses strikethrough instead of niggertext

TO ALL CIWS SCEPTICS

> youtube.com/watch?v=W9jDcd1NGHw
> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-630
Why not create a similar thing with like 300 cannons firing simultaneously?

> youtube.com/watch?v=zx_9_RgMPCE
> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Storm
> over 1 million rounds per minute
What about that? You can launch shitload of stuff that would create a dense cloud of rounds/fragments along the hypersonic missile's predicted path.

So firing enough ammo towards the missile is not a problem. The main problem is early detection of the missile.

More videos about Metal Storm
> youtube.com/results?search_query=metal storm

can't cuck the rus

Metal storm is not deployed in any serious manner because reloading is too difficult. You have to change the tube out.
Projectile speed still is the same issue, then the other issue of stopping something with MJs of kinetic energy.

Scalar EM plasma ball or shield is the only sure way. These have been seen tested on city-size scale by many pilots around the Kola Peninsular and other places in Russia.

Read about scalar weapons and physics behind it in Fer De Lance by LTC Tom Bearden.

Average Russian Larps as a soviet officer and cums every time the great patriotic war is mentioned.

Metal Storm got dissolved for a reason, shitbird. Superimposed firearms are shit. That's why it stayed dead for centuries, got dug up, and got killed, again.

Also
You can start building a bunker on a floating island at that point. That would make more sense.

metalstorm is fagtier shit confirmed

It was overwhelmingly the strong, in body and mind, who died.

Russians have had the capability of taking down American carriers since a long time ago. Only Burgers kid themselves that their floating mobility scooters are actually unsinkable. They might be unsinkable to Iran, but that's about it. Russia has had inter-communicating missiles designed to swarm defences since the 90s, for 1/1000th of the price of the target carrier they can output enough missiles to overwhelm the anti-missile defences.

It's amazing how bad Americans are at military hardware even though they have the most of it in the world. First off, CIWS is the last resort shortest range defence, alone it is woefully inadequate. Also, the missile would never be alone, they are fired in groups of 20+. The biggest factor here is the new high speed of this missile, which greatly reduces time to detect, classify, and fire counter-missiles. Even against normal missiles, success rate for an interceptor missile is low, and that rate is decimated with this kind of speed.

Watch vid related, maybe you'll learn something about your own military.

Tomahawks have 3 different guidance systems.

The SPY radar is an expensive and complex system, unfortunately it breaks a lot because it has so many different single points of failure. Complexity increases the deleterious effect of entropy exponentially.

Remember the 2.6 million.

CIWS fires at 4500 rounds per minute for pneumatic, and 3000 for hydraulic. Where the fuck did you get 10000 from?

RIDF, goyims, RIDF!

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Wew!

Smart people gets employed designing and building the missile systems and AI tanks, are kept out of harms way because the military needs them.

The retarded dies by the tens of millions when SHTF. No need to even systematicaly nuke the large cities, end of the dollar and great chimpout when nuclear powers fights does that.

Except the missile evasion is also limited by it's speed, mass, fuel, etc.

Real missiles don't do the Itano Circus coreography.

No, you retard. Mach 3 is not 3km/s, it's roughly 3000 km/h.

It's not faster than a beam of light.
You have no idea what we really have.

user, pls. You're embarrassing yourself.

You really don't know shit about missiles. The whole point of missiles in the Russian doctrine is to replace the jets and the aircraft carriers.
Russian missiles do all the choreography, carry heat traps and decoy warheads, have stealth and reflective coating.

USA is 30 years behind Russia in general missile technology and 60 years behind Russia in ICBM tech.

It's obsolete since the 90s. SS-N-25 flies only 1 to 5 meters above the water and is virtually undetectable.

The soviet afgan war was honestly a consequence of their gigantic army wanting a target and a shooting range. Perpetuating it was just a consequence of the same military lobby that the US has since the WW2 not wanting to pull out due to prestige and money flow.
Marcus Tullius Cicero

They didn't loose. Vietnam War ended in a stalemate, akin to South Korea. The reason why Saigon fell was becouse the Democrats in the house took all the aid that was promised in the peace treaty out.

Modern proxy wars aren't about "winning" in a classical way. It's all about crashing your left sock puppet's economy with no survivors with the right sock puppet's effort so the (((shadow cabal))) gets even more power and puts the next puppet on the line.
Vietnam was all about abolishing the gold standard.

TFW Russian liberation coming even sooner than expected!

O JOYOUS DAY!

Nigger you realize every decent anti ship missile has an electronic warfare suite? Or how hard it is to spot such a small target?

Double nigger, if you emit in any E-M band before you know you're detected you're dumber than a bag of rocks.

Any decent long and mid range missile is autonomous and doesn't send anything.

Just accept US can be easily destroyed by Russia at any given moment, hide in a corner and cry yourself to sleep, burger.

And the US could curb stomp Russia in a heartbeat.The point is no more brother wars you faggot.
I'm just talking about missiles vs anti-missile systems because I'm /k/ as fuck. Get out with your chest thumping.

RUSSIA ALSO GOT BATTLE ROBOTS!

HOLY SHIT! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!

The US is like 99999 years behind.

*web-related

US can't curbstomp Russia, even with the whole nuclear arsenal. Because US still uses Minutemen from the 1960s, which can be intercepted by pretty much any modern AA missile.

US perfected the tech to kill sandniggers, while Russia perfected the tech to kill superpowers.
In the most important parts - rockets, armor, artillery and electronic warfare US is still stuck in the 80s, while Russia has cutting edge tech.
US still uses Minutemen from the fucking 60s, doesn't have any decent long range artillery, MRLS or main battle tanks and doesn't have effective electronic warfare suites. US went full out on the light combat vehicles, jets and aircraft carriers, which are useless against a superpower with adequate countermeasures like S400 and SS-N-26. And M1 Abrams even with active countermeasures like the Trophy system is fucked by a single soldier with an RPG-30.

You really have to ask yourself how can US win against a real standing army. Even in was against North Korea US would likely be BTFO due to massive disadvantage in artillery.

Evidently not /k/ enough to understand the difficulty of spotting anti-ship missiles skimming the sea at 3m of altitude, how a radar works, or how extremely hard the targets would be to spot. You can fire off interceptors with tiny kill-rate before the missiles pass the horizon line but good luck doing much, your main defences will only be viable once the horizon-line has been crossed.

Useless since digital jamming became common.

And works only on 1 type of ancient jamming (brute force) which is only used to jam communications because frequencies can change rapidly there.

You clearly have no idea wtf you're talking about.

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The scramjet missile in question travels at 7500km/h terminal, or Mach 7+, or 2km/s

Can you look up what a scramjet is before posting? It will make the conversation go a lot smoother.

Listing Mach/top Mach # speeds are meaningless unless you provide the altitude it happens in. This is because the Mach Number is a function (dependent on) of speed of sound at an altitude. And speed of sound itself depends on altitude, temperature, air density.

The thing has a higher top end speed at higher altitudes because there is less air friction (when its 1-20 miles above sea level) but also less mass air flow rate into the engine because of smaller air density which would provide less power to the engine. When it comes to sea level at higher air density, there's going to be a ton of friction to slow it down.

I never understand why they list M# as a benchmark when that can change by +-30% depending on altitude. Mach 5 at 15 miles is a lot slower in speed to Mach 5 at sea level.

None of this matters if the missile goes to low earth orbit the air-intake engine there would not work since there's no oxygen to intake to the fuel where there is no atmosphere, where it is propelled by that liquid/solid booster rocket (which is probably its first stage, it pops off when the rocket re-enters the atmosphere). That's when the air-intake engine kicks in, but the real question is, is it decelerating when re-entering - the air-fuel engine only minimizing deceleration due to the sol/liq rocket booster gaining 6k+mph at LEO?

Either way I guess they mean to say it has "4kish mph" at sea level where the impact occurs.

I'm well aware how radar works. Look-down shoot-down is a thing. Has been for decades. The radar and sensor systems I'm relying on for detecting the missiles far enough out so I can engage with Standards would be most airborne, such as the much hated F-35, or the more legacy E-2.

Look, I'm not saying its a trivial task to complete the find-fix-finish cycle versus hyper-sonic sea-skimmers. I'm just saying this Russian "Super-Missile" just reduces engagement times by current systems. It's not invincible, it just makes the job a lot harder.

That's great. But who made more progress in African studies? That's right. Nobody can touch the U.S. in that area. We put Russia and all countries to shame in that area.

dude, please
certain type of coating mumble mumble 99.9% wideband insulator
give a little bit more hints, I can't find shit in jewgle with no expert knowledge on the subject
is it something an amateur can make in his garage on his diy power armor for the happening?

You be thinkin makin some supersonic missile be some super accomplishment, then you be thinkin things tha aint right.

I'm a different drunk user. You can. You need to start autistically googling because what is in the clear is HARD to find. And you can't ask people in the know, because the are cucks about their knowledge. There's more papers on how radar works than how to mix up your own RAM.

Digital Jamming is already super common nowadays.

You nigger, radar DOES need line of sight. That's why you expand the sight window of radar with picket ships and weapons systems like the f-35.

With how much of a fetish the USN has on damage control, if you had a carrier rigged for war operations, I'd be willing to bet you'd need 8+ torpedos to sink it. Mainly, you'd have to kill off the damage control crews. They are DAMN good at what they do. Compartmentalization + damage control crews + aircraft in the air trying to kill you + radar picket ships 50 miles away letting you know when things get close.

God I hate all of you, Holla Forums doesn't understand technology nor does it understand radar.

I'll ask my buddy about that. If it does ((and I know it doesn't on the F-35)) fascinating. Because, there is no LEARNING going on, just automatic targeting info, but that's pleb tier.

Bro, we've had Radar Assisted Terrain Mapping since 1950's era. The BUFF had that shit.

i think the pun is that americans always pretend they have diamond things, the hardest defense, the best technology, but diamond is very brittle.

russian technology tends to be cheap, practical and simple, relying on good design and manufacturing to trump fancy gimmicks or overengineered specifications.

so a zirconium delivery system is just as good as a diamond if your goal is to drop the fire of hell on your enemy.

it is also a material used in nuclear fuel rods, re-enforcing russias perpetual goal to deter the americans from first strike obliterating them by creating a superior first strike weapon and never using it. (space race, tsar bomb etc)

We have and will always have the best. We spend enough money on that shit.

Not in the new modern warfare. They can not compete. The f-35 is more a multiplatform sensor suite then a fighter. It should never dogfight, but in trials it shows that it can.

No fucking shit you dumb faggot, neither country wants a first strike and counters it in their own way. America makes super complex weapons systems ((Hello b36)) and russia makes their fuckind dead hand. Russia is ALWAYS on the defense because they know they can not out spend the usa.

Stick to Call of Duty kiddo

Lets just say there are coatings available which you will probably not be able to apply in your garage (maybe with quite a bit of perseverance) that will render a laser weapon useless.
If you reflect 99.8-99.9% and have a thermal insulator for the remaining 150W of heat… you could practically walk up to the laser system with such armour and smash it with a hammer. AS long as you are not looking at the diffuse reflection point within… ~15m according to calcs.
I don't want to go into this further here as I would like to investigate further if it's not already deployed (of course this is very hard to find out)..

looks like one bad assed based russian rocket

Interesting thread

Irrelevant. A close defense system doesn't have to outpace or catch up with an incoming threat, it only needs to intercept it.

That is trivial to achieve in the basement, garage or tool shed.

could the Norks have something like this?

Would the Russians strike the US during a civil war?

"At mach 8 it can coast for final 5km flight. It is very easy to turn off the engines."

At this point I know you're making shit up. To stay at mach 8 requires constant force, if it goes slower it will be spotted.

Who cares anyway, "AI" drones are the new tech that matters. Boots on the ground don't matter when you're pumping out 2million autonomous drones and dropping then via missiles onto the civilian populations sustaining the war effort.

Yeah, there's a whole lot of bullshit ITT as expected, also many of the standard Russia Stronk shill lines but I disgress.

Anyhow, to anyone who's interested about missiles, bombs and whatnot without the BS and shilling, I'd recommend visiting the keypublishing forums (just google it).

DOTR when?

Propaganda - if it can be detected, it can be shot down.

At MACH 8 the engines will be the coolest thing on the airframe. The skin will be red hot from atmospheric compression (often incorrectly called "friction")

Aircraft carriers have never been hard to sink. Ask the Japanese. Doing so, however, comes with consequences.

You know alpha particles can't even penetrate human skin, right?

Then how do you explain Baron Trump? Checkmate faggot.

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