Bernie To Introduce $15 Federal Minimum Wage Legislation On Wednesday

We all knew it was coming and now it has finally been confirmed that the Senate's favorite Socialist will introduce legislation later this week calling for a $15 federal minimum wage. The pending release of the bill was confirmed earlier today by Bloomberg's Josh Eidelson. Apparently co-sponsored by fellow liberals, Senator Murray, Keith Ellison, Bobby Scott and Raul Grijalva, the bill will call for a $15 federal minimum wage to be fully implemented by 2024.

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AKA let's fuck over the pension funds and cause instant inflation

The culmination of the Trump presidency will be 15$ minimum wage.
The natural way of course. By starting space mining, revamped industry and general winning

nothing wrong with that wage
only people against it are the rich and the libertarians who go "but there will be so much inflation!!"

Reported. Try harder.

I predict the shills will blame this on Trump too. >Hurrrr why da dictator man Drumpf don't stop it? He muss be a servant of the ZOG xD
Apparently he has the supreme powers of a Führer and should use them, despite actually being a president in a democracy.

There's literally nothing wrong with this. But let's just keep subsidizing the low wages of paid by Shomo Shekelberg with welfare so he can afford a new private jet, right? $15 an hour by 2024 wouldn't even be that high once you factor in inflation.

Great, I always wanted to pay $8 for a loaf of wonderbread.

this plan sounds good. it means fewer minimum-wage service-groids for me to endure as they are replaced by machines that I can make money by servicing.

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What the matter goy, don't you like flouride?

what if i make that now? am i going to get $20 an hour now or am i just another mininum wage worker as prices increase?

You cant replace "porky" with "schlomo" and make your shitty leftypol arguments here. Go back to leftypol.

goddamn at least try to not sound like a caricature of a liberal

RIP in peace US economy

That's going to happen regaurdless of minimum wage.


Why would there be less fluoride in white bread?


And you failed to address my argument that artificially low wages are paid for through welfare.

It's already 100% fucked, m8. If you believe this will collapse the US economy, even more reason to support it.

bread waiting lines when?

Why would there be fluoride in the water supply? It's good for you.

Welfare does more harm than good which is why we should eliminate it.

Even if you made $20, it would be dropped to $15 to pay for all the people who's wages are now increased to $15

San Diego alone lost ~20,000 jobs after they enacted the $15 minimum wage in California. Why the fuck would they want to pass this nation-wide?

Question is why would WE want to. My guess is one ancillary benefit is that the majority of jobs post would be for non-whites.

Get an actual skill, burger flipper.


You cannot predict the economy in 2024 accurately, nor can Kikerad Sanders.


Enjoy paying their welfare and having businesses have an excuse to push for more illegal immigrants, dumbass.


I'm making ~$22/hr now. I know I won't be working for that wage if people who scrub toilets get paid $15/hr. Fuck that.


-t. liberal arts major

"Only people against inflation are the rich…"
Leftypol economics lol.

Hmmmm…..

This. If we kept up with inflation and cost of living minimum wage would be over 20 an hour. Pol can say all they want people should get better jobs and skills but the fact is the burger flipper still needs to be able to pay rent and buy food for themself.

Don't be a retard. Get an actual skill that niggers can't do and get paid a good wage.

I have a good paying job, I'm not thinking about myself.

lol where's fakeohantes from Massachusetts I thought this was one of her big things or was hers the wage gap bullshit?

you're not a national socialist, you're a socialist socialist: fuck off to leftypol

Holy shit, how many fucking leftardpol shill retards do we have here? this will hurt small businesses than the kikes you fucking retards, you gotta go back to Venezuela.

It's not a living wage though, without a natsoc government to regulate the economy, all that's going to happen is that prices will explode within a year. Your $15/hr is going to be worth less than the $8/hr you've got now because of not only speculative pricing, but the fact companies have been cutting corner like a motherfucker since the turn of the century to avoid raising prices by too much, this is all the excuse they need to open the flood gates and make some of that delicious profit they've heard so much about.

Natsoc policies don't work when you're suffering under a commie/liberal regime.

Let's get rid of restauraunts entirely.

You're pushing for something that will only encourage illegal immigration to be perpetuated/encouraged by businesses.

being national socialist does not mean being an idiot on economics. That is reserved for lefty socialists.

Most of them will be gone from commiefornia soon enough.

San Francisco is already doing that
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When minimum wage changed in my state my wage increased as well even though I was paid above minimum wage. So you could expect an increase in pay as well if your company is half decent.

Why not just make the minimum wage $10000 an hour?

Whatever reason you come up with to justify not going to that level is the argument against a $15 minimum wage, and a minimum wage in general. Some jobs just aren't worth paying that much for. They aren't meant for people supporting families, but for teens looking to make a little extra money, for retards/the disabled, or for people looking for a starting point where they can work their way up/learn a trade.

Pump jockeys at full service filling stations didn't get paid much, but they GOT PAID while learning to be mechanics. Now we can't have full service stations any more, and as a result, we have to service our own cars. There are many other examples of things like this.

It's sad that for decades, a man used to be able to work a fairly low-paying job and support a wife and a few kids in a small house.
And the kikes have tricked us into thinking this was a bad thing.

I guess burgers think Hitler was a lolbertarian.

The NUMBER doesn't fucking matter, how do leftards not get this. What matters is the value it represents.

If milk costs $1 and you earn $10 an hour,
If you force the minimum wage up to $20 an hour, milk will just cost $2.

You still have the exact same buying power AT BEST.

At worst, milk goes up to $2.25, businesses shut down, people get fired and you're now poorer.

Who was supporting an entire family on a single wage derived from sucking the clown's dick? I think you're confusing minimum wage part time jobs with actual careers.

Nice try Holla Forums we don't need an additional 60% tax to fund all these niggers flipping burgers.

TBH you're right.
Given how our society currently works, an increased minimum wage would just be another nigger tax.

That was true because the US was the only manufacturing powerhouse for a few decades: two world wars devastated Europe, Africa is lol, and Asia was still mostly in the stone age. There's competition now, you dumb nigger. Europe is rebuilt. If you want it to be that way again, you can't be an anti-war faggot like most of you Holla Forums fags are.

The only thing that keeps us somewhat dominate now is the petrodollar.

Oh no! You need to pump your own gas now.. Also Oregon still does this.

What a neocohen piece of shit. You deserve your shitskins.

This would completely fuck me and make it so my good job I worked hard for makes as much as mcdonalds. You are robbing the middle class so we can all be poor you dumb cunt

Once we've gotten rid of the niggers we can worry about wages and quality of life for the lowest rungs of a white society, it's just not a priority now.

You have completely lost the plot, user. The reason low wage earners can't support a household any more is because the central bank has reallocated purchasing power away from productive capital (the source of wages) and into assets (the things rich/old people own). They have done this by printing money and giving it to rich people, who then buy up those assets. The business owners are just trying to get by. Punishing them for the situation created by the Jews is abominable.

Punish the Jews instead. Hitler understood this. This is why he confiscated all their assets and property and put them into work camps pending deportation.

"Markets are perfectly competitive. Marginal profit does not exist. The poor oppressed capitalists take 0% of the earnings on the milk and will simply pass all labor costs on to the consumer. That's why 1% of the country owns half the wealth and the stock market does not exist. Businesses make no money whatsoever. :^)"

This is not good for us at all. The objective (and the effect) of increasing the minimum wage to ridiculous levels like this is to allow two leftist groups to lead easy lives: niggers/spics and Gender Studies (etc.) graduates. Both groups have no useful skills, so they naturally take jobs with low pay, then complain about muh porky, muh ebul white males, muh ebul capitalism.
Supporting $15/hr right now is supporting leftism. In a homogeneous natsoc nation, it might work, but right now it's a subsidy for our enemies.
It will also cause yuge layoffs of low skilled workers and massive automation.

sauce? All of those estimations I've seen include jobs likely not created and don't take into account the already dege rating economy.


Fast food would be no where as preveleant if it weren't for (((women's liberation))).


Seems like a lot of Holla Forums is so obsessed with fucking over Tyrone and Pedro thst they don't care about other whites.


Jobs that servile shouldn't even exist tbh. That's the kind of service that would have been reserved for the rich with lots of servants for most of human history, but now every fag wants to be treated like a noble or some shit.

Don't forget, as costs and wages go up, so to must welfare. The commies are double dipping with this one.

Get good scrub

Somebody gets fucked. It is the dumb person.
If you care about minimum wage, it is you.
You are the fuckee. I'm sorry but you are holding the bag.

But someone must be fucked. It is your caste in life.

I ran a business. Fuck off.

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Making money is a good thing retard.

go back to /poor/

Why have labor specialization at all, then? Why not just live in a fucking pit of our own filth and just scrabble for enough food to eat, and maybe engage in some tribal warfare and cannibalism for the calories?

This is why communists should be thrown out of helicopters.

Stop pretending to be Holla Forums, Holla Forums. I support shaking things up in China/finding an excuse to bomb the shit out of them to make our manufacturing jobs that much more valuable. If you don't support killing non-whites, you're just as bad as kikes/neocohens.

That's all we need to know.

In fact, this decree is going to be a Trojan horse for the Democrats.

Higher minimum wage = more substitution of underemployment for machines = less jobs for disqualified beaners.

Nothing wrong. What is important is not to raise the minimum wage to the point of breaking down business, but to the point of encouraging the replacement of human labor by machinery.

As in it failed?

Why am I not surprised.
lel.

Yeah, go find some clever new way to rebrand corn syrup or add DRM to oatmeal. You are contributing to society! :D

You ran a business to the ground, now fuck off back to your socialist utopia.

At what price, retard? Reminder that the ZOGs treated niggers worse than Germany did in fucking WW2.
Of course, you would love shitskins though. Let them flood your country for a few shekels more.

You're right, people should have to PAY MONEY, rather than being PAID MONEY to learn a new trade!

YOU DESERVE TO BE THROWN OUT OF A HELICOPTER TO YOUR WATERY DEATH.

These wars wouldnt be killing none whites. It would be Russian and eastern europe. You retarded neoconservative cunts lead our nation to ruin for these retarded delusions of empire.

Minimum wage and unions are just labor wising up to capitalism. Of course your fat fuck greedy ass doesn't like it; people are horning in on your game. You're about to slim down, porky.

Was going to post this. Obviously the first thing corporations do whenever they cut costs is decrease prices, right? Just like Disneyland did after they replaced their workers with pajeets. Just like nabisco did after moving their plant to Mexico. Just like ford and carrier was planning on doing after moving to Mexico.

More unemployed niggers and women means harsher (((affirmative action))) don't think for a minute you're safe because you earned a degree worth having when there are so many disproportionately effected minorities that need that job more than you do, whitey.

Are you retarded or just pretending?

We should have never opened the floodgates of trade with China in the first place. People harp on Clinton for NAFTA, but it wasn't really NAFTA that fucked us over.
It was petitioning to have China enter the WTO.

Now we send all our manufacturing over to China and what do they do ?
They take the technology, steal it, and then make their own copies of everything.
They manipulate their currency to favor their export market.
They absolutely decimate the environment and then cry about how 'we all need to tighten our environmental regulations' (implying it's Americas problem).

Fuck China. I thought you were advocating for some gay war in the sandbox again. But fuck China.

Unions pahahaha.


Except you're not because I have a good accountant and asset protection.

Have fun driving yourself into unemployment and cuckoldry along with all your degenerate friends you fucking loser.

American expansionism means war with russia fuck boi

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Austria only wanted to crush the Serbs too. Of course, a neocon kike wouldnt know this.

Unions are for limp dicks who can't negotiate their own salary and need daddy to hold their hand while they talk to the big scary business owners.

Not to mention you're a degenerate in the first place for working for someone else and being a voluntary wage slave.

I bet your boss fucks your wife on the weekend too, gotta work for that promotion eyyy

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Holla Forums shill confirmed.

You're acting as if your wage is a perfectly fine equivalent to how hard you worked for it.
It's not. It's whatever some kike decides it to be.
No whites deserve to be making $7 an hour,

I beg to disagree, look at the gender studies faggots out there who need to eat.

niggers don't deserve more than 1$

I don't want a minimum wage increase because doing so will encourage businesses to hire illegal shitskins for jobs below minimum wage, you dumb kike shill.

Really activates my almonds, fam.

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But socialists will vote for Bernie and call it a day. They don't understand economics. Only Bernie wins from this, votes!

With 7 planks of the communist manifesto in place in the US, the current failure is far more on your crappy system than capitalism.


The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

We were not vigilant. It won't happen again in our lifetimes.

Go back to 4chan with your libertarian shit.

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I've said this before in, you will simply cause me to raise the rent on my property assets within the same month as the min.wage hike. Your free market interference will cause me to outsource more business actions to the third world.

You are saying, someone who does a paper route for 20 hrs a month, should able to earn the same hourly wage as for example a ambulance brother or a firemen, based on hours alone. Not going to happen, these workers will demand their wages also increase because the government just caused the cost of living to increase by 15 to 30% within a month.

This is how governments devalue their currency, by inflation, they've just been slowly doing it. Everyone gets more but within a short time frame, everything costs a whole lot more. Member when you could buy a pack of cigarettes for 25 dollar cents?

These retards still don't understand that flipping burgers is a part time job, it's not meant to be a wage to afford a regular life, the same with waiting on tables or a barkeep. They are idiots who don't seem to understand there is no meaningful employment for them there, you have to travel across the country nowadays to find work because it's not coming for you. People who still are able to live off these shit wages are people who shack up into a apartment with 3 people to share the cost. The people in the city want you out, which is evident by their bubble creation, so fucking leave. Life in the back countries is way cheaper and you will be able to live a much happier life.

Feed race traitors out of your own pocket, commie.

My city just enacted this shit. I overheard two grocery store workers talking to each other about how people were starting to get laid off to THE SAME DAY THIS SHIT WAS ENACTED.

It's not even basic economics - it's just basic.

It's the same as:

So. More competition for resources. illegals AND immigrants compete for government aid, jobs, gibs, healthcare, even prison space.

The military spelled this out for me real easy.
Be me. Be stationed overseas. Get raise in Per diem OR the exchange rate moves in favor of the American dollar.
PRICES SUDDENLY GO UP ON EVERY LOCAL NATIONAL MENU FOR DRINKS AND FOOD.

Wow, what magick.

At this point, I can't tell if people are actually this fucking stupid - or if it's the social engineering via media that is making people have cult like tendencies.

Did basic economics trigger you fam?

As a business owner myself I WANT to hire Americans

But leftist fucks keep making it harder and harder to do.

I recently had to outsource a tonne of shit to fucking indonesia because it was no longer cost effective to keep stateside.

I WISH I could have kept it stateside, because that gives me more control and closer monitoring. But I sure as fuck aint taking a pay cut to do it, I spent 13 years building this business because I want to make money, not to run a fucking charity.

Reminder that it is LITERALLY this fucking simple.

Nice ebonics, you fucking nigger worshiper. Keep adopting the language of your conquerors, makes you look real good.
"inflation goes up with minimum wage!!" is actually high school economics.

Unions are supposed keep retarded management from smothering their few capable workers when said workers ask to be paid better than the incompetent fucks. Unions actually just keep some bosses and higher ups comfortable on the backs of everyone else in the union who pays protection money.


They already pay illegals more than they pay citizens, because they don't have to pay employee taxes to hire them, and the illegals don't pay income tax, so they take home more money, and on top of that, collect benefits from the state.

My job is largely staffed by illiterate retards overseas, and my position only exists to keep certain telecoms from being burned down by mobs.

MERITOCRACY NEEDS A PURGE TO PROSPER.

itt: retards who believe jew-economists argue with people who understand actual economics.

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I have a feeling you've never had a job that pays more than double minimum wage, Holla Forums.

Try harder.

user, that just went over the heads of 60% of Americans. You're implying they understand the basis of a line graph.

Business doesn't give a fuck about me so I don't give a fuck about business. Raise the wage to $500.

Correct; I work part-time for myself charging $50-60/hr and don't claim it because taxes are fucking insane. Taxes are actually less penalizing the higher up you are; it's incredibly hard to maintain profitability while running a small business with a few employees in the US.

I don't understand why taxes exist when the government can just print fiat currency.

Enjoy your economic collapse, dumbass.

The nice thing about capitalism is that nobody HAS to care about you, but they will if they want to keep their workers, because the environment is such that there are loads of new businesses springing up all the time and thus loads of demand for labor, so workers can move to where ever they get the best deal/treatment.

I wish it was that low. Feels sad man. I would say 75%.

To keep up the charade and to keep you in chains.

Taxes on static wealth (which is what money printing is) are far more destructive than taxes on income, and they hurt average people a lot more (as opposed to the progressive income tax that taxes rich people more). That said, taxes on consumption are less destructive still.

Businesses could do that, sure. It has been done before; that doesn't mean that businesses won't emerge and pay competitive wages. Companies that do that while providing a good/service generally overtake a market. For example in earlier times, manufacturers in Ford were paid some of the highest wages in the US since its inception. Today, companies like (((kikebook))) and (((jewgle))) pay extremely competitive wages. The reason why is because they want to maintain a superior work force. They cannot legally agree with one another to not pay higher than X wages, which is something I whole-heartedly support.

You should try getting a skillset. IT, engineering, computer science, and data analysts/data scientists are extremely hot fields for the next 10 years. If you're not cracked up for that, get into a trade. Seek out an apprenticeship. Electricians and plumbers make bank and will be in high demand soon, especially with the older folks starting to retire from these fields.


Want a cheap yet affordable degree? Look at Western Governor's University. Dirt cheap tuition, non-profit, nationally and regionally accredited. If you do their IT program, you get a bunch of certs with it that will help you start making bank while in school. Hell, you can get a $15-$20/hr job with just a CompTIA A+ certification and a little networking/signing up with recruiters.

The only two non-Jew economists I can even think of off the top of my head were Adam Smith and Keynes. The whole field is the most Jewish thing on earth.

I agree that the central banking system is fucking bullshit and that a vast amount of wealth is being created out of thin air thanks to kike trickery. That isn't my point.

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Nigga what?

Have you looked around at the smoking crater since 2008? Students with STEM degrees now are desperate for work experience, they intern full time; for years. These are basic sustenance wages, less then the already market established min.wage. Yes, learning some in tech is nice, but most of your work will now be on a project basis while you freelance. Getting a FTE is next to impossible, especially with the whole diversity quota that's taking over the tech industry.

Learning a trade like plumbing, electrician is regulated by the unions so goodluck getting certified.

We are in a massive decline thanks to kikes and their usury. It's time to weimar their asses, this time no camp detention in our FEMA camps, this time it's time to gas them all for real!

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use this sign as long as possible to annoy masons and other faggots

Yous ound like you're copy/pasting from a blog. STEM is incredibly high demand atm, with not enough people in the field to fill all the jobs in America alone. Hell, Data analyst/data scientist jobs are expected to have a shortfall of Americans by over a million (counting management positions; raw jobs is ~500k).

You sound like a NEET or burger flipper who is set on blaming the world around him like some faggot leftist than doing something about it. As I said, someone with the bare minimum skillset near a somewhat busy city (A+ certification being "bare minimum") can land a job ~15-20$/hr.

96% of data analysts are men. As far as diversity quotas go, that only means so much in an age where you can lie about what nationality you are. Also, it's not really a barrier. There are people switching careers into STEM in their late 30s/early 40s that can find jobs easily.

My own personal experience: live around a city in a southern state, have almost no experience. Put a good resume' out there (had someone in the industry help me out with it). End result was a job in less than 3 weeks paying $22/hr; had 13 people total call me up, even more emailed me. The jobs are out there, especially with the Trump administration (I fucking love Jeff Sessions) cracking down on H1B abuses and starting that hotline to report employers for it. Even companies that were doing layoffs in the US last year are starting up hiring big league, like BAE and Siemens (I have word from a few on the Siemens one, expect hiring boom in the next two months).

Stop making excuses for yourself you pathetic nigger.

No one is forcing you to hire Indonesians. You are not entitled to a business anyway. Why should you be rich if you are not the elite anyway? Ineffective elites need to be purged, which was a subtext of the 2016 election. You are ineffective because they Democrats dictate to you how you run your business. Also, business men are traitors and need to be hung. You people payed the 3rd world shitskins to come into America, you people dumped your wages onto the welfare system as a cost cutting move.

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H1B crackdown did indeed elevate some issues, but doesn't fix the overseas outsourcing. Just can't invite Pajeet into the States now.

Look at how the kikes have set us against eachother. The class war must end or the kikes will win.

Businesses are creatures of the state. You want that limited liability? Then you must play ball with the government. Complaining about niggers and spics as a business owner is just whining.


Why should the class war end? The rich started it. The Federal Reserve, mass 3rd world immigration, offshoring of jobs, endless regulations. Why should the gains of the industrial revolution be concentrated in the hands of a small ((( elite ))) ?

Go back to Holla Forums, or a more popular board like /furry/

Not an argument. The business men who have been running western civilization for the last two and a half centuries are in the same place as the french elites were before they got their heads chopped off. There is no reforming the system because the people themselves are so corrupt it would not matter. We need a reform of leadership and people, not of laws and other material bullshit. Capitalism == Communism^-1

Econfag here. Please take your retardation back to >>>/reddit/

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just curious: do you use R or Python much at all?

I made $15/hr back when I was 18 and minimum wage was $5.15. it's not hard to make money if you work in a desirable field and aren't a dumbass.

Good, let's hope he passes it, despite anarcho capitalist burgers idiocy minimum wage is the best way to fight exploitation

Doing what exactly? A lot of jobs where I live don't pay $15 even with a degree or certification.

Both shouldn't exist and won't when we purge our countries of kikes and their puppets.

Speak for yourself faggot

When we have a white ethnostate then we can talk about a "living wage" although there are better ways to address low wages however while our nation is full of spics, muslims and fucking niggers + the hiring quotas/affirmative action zeitgeist you can shove the "living wage" up your ass.

just in case someone is retarded enough to think that pic makes sense i'm going to do a quick debunk

1. Business take MI LLI ONS of profit, they DON'T fire or hire people by how much they cost but how many workers they NEED, money is NOT a problem for business

2. Implying the low wage are blacks or bombs is purely idiotic, the poorest states in USA have the biggest WHITE density rates, in any case, it should show the opposite, it's the white the one getting a raise

i know you hate mayus, i don't care

Grade A retard here.

Surveying

Think about it this way: what happens when every single person in a nation enjoys the luxuries of the elite? No one is elite anymore, and they ALL become weak and degenerate. To some extent, globalists are drawing out this decline as long as possible to maximise their pleasure, power, and wealth in the short term, and also to hold out hope that it won't all collapse tomorrow.

This is the crisis of the modern world: we can create as many different things as we like, at far less cost, but for what purpose? What purpose does owning a 2017 Ford vs. a 2016 Ford have? Our products are no longer tied to survival, our culture is no longer tied to survival, and our survival is more or less unnecessary for our knowledge to survive.

The memes have attained priority over life, and the ride will never end.

90% of the jobs are given by multinationals, if you think their business is going to be in danger because of minimum wage, you are the retard

This. I wish more fags understood that increased wages does not mean a decreased need for labor.


We really need to be paying professionals less too then and surely corporations will pass the savings along to consumers, right?

Confirmed retard or Holla Forums, same difference
Most jobs are small business.

The vast majority of companies go out of business because…….MONEY was a problem for them

You're fucking retarded. Fuck off to Holla Forums, kike.

and here's the retard who bought everything they told him at economics 101 in middle school without any questions

Simple question, why business still hire american workers when it's obvious chinese are going to be cheaper?

No their business won't be in danger, it will be all the small businesses that can't afford the wage hike that will go out of business. Multinationals love it when the government fucks around with the economy because it destroys all their competition. And I know you are a retard that can't into maths, but if even these multinationals will be running at a deficit if they start paying all their employees minimum wage. So that means that to prevent bankruptcy, these multinational have to lay off workers and/or increase prices, both of which are hurting muh poor people.

No one being elite anymore is a good thing. Anything that fights personality cults is a good thing. To succeed in the modern world you must be very specialized. This leads to specialized people not understanding other subjects any better than the average nigger. Elite, the way its used, is an outdated concept from when a single person could learn all of the knowledge humanity acquired and be a warrior. Why can only a few people enjoy an insane standard of living off the backs of the entire nation and call themselves elite? The rich make too much money, the rich enjoy too high of a standard of living based on stolen wealth, the rich are illegitimate.

It means a decreased ability to PAY for labor meaning automation and longer hours and various other higher demands on the employee.

Corps pay professionals what they can get away with. This is a supply and demand issue. There aren't that many people smart enough to be doctors but everybody is smart enough to flip burgers at mcdonalds. If you want low skilled wages to go up you have to cut the supply of low skilled workers i.e. immigration and birth rates although birthrates are already low

and you dare to talk about retards

businessinsider.com/us-employment-by-firm-size-has-a-fat-tailed-distribution-2015-6

Not an argument


if your real reason really is about the survival of small business why don't just propose a higer minimum for bigger business?


Yet, i don't see you doing any math to prove your point, 3 replies and yelling retard has been your only argument so far

Take away the worship of the materials and what they represent, and what do you get? You are correct that the current elite representing centuries of bloodlines and wealth are illegitimate. They are to be replaced with a new elite in spiritual terms.

ITT: A board of supposed national SOCIALISTS actually have to argue whether or not giving workers a living wage is acceptable or not.

If you are against workers, you need to kill yourself.

Well just start a business then. Infinite money.

Gas yourself, Bolshevik.

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Thanks for participating but you must now have to fuck off…forever.

ITT: Holla Forums larping as natsoc

No minimum wage worker gets paid salary.
This is already the case with a lot of nearly minimum wage work atleast that I've done and witnessed

Very true. I don't actually have an issue with what proffeaionals are paid many are underpaid nowadays I'm just making the case that increased wages don't necessarily have to correlate with higher prices as profit margins are already so large. People are only willing to pay so much for a given product, so corporations would rather take a small hit to profit than charge an exorbitant amount, not sell at all and go bankrupt.

That's what happens, when you put national socialism in the anarcho capitalist country usa.
Whatever ideology you put in there, it's economic part is going to be turned on in to libertarian shit no matter what


you're taking out of context, i'm talking about big business, you know, 50%+ of jobs

Anyway, i DID start a business and have one employee. surprise you moron

If i don't live in a 100% racial hegemonic nation, if i don't live in a National Socialist country. If i don't live in nation that celebrates my culture and bans all others. Why the fuck would i want Marxian Socialism or Communism?

I'd rather thrive in Capitalism and avoid as much taxation then to live in a country where 99% of my wealth is stolen and given to parasites who don't have the intellectual fortitude nor the willpower to improve themselves or those around them.

Yeah, tell that to that small business in the corner of the street, that business surely doesn't make millions, commie. Now imagine a minimum wage hike is implemented, that business will have to stay afloat by firing lots of employees or perishing with the great hike. This is what will happen with all small business, turboretard

Again you would bes destroying the middle class. This logic only applies to massive corporations. You would anal rape every mom and pop place in the US. And yes in the future the need for labor will decrease automation is here to stay.

Hey dumb faggot. I used to work at a small mom and pop Chinese restaurant making 7 dollars cash an hour. Fucker had 6 kids, 2 still living in China and had to support all of them, he literally was more broke than I was.

He flat out told me there was no way I was getting 15 bucks an hour since he COULD NOT AFFORD IT. Not every single small business can afford to pay 15 dollars an hour you incredible nigger

You dont seem to get it. You wont be making them more wealthy, you will make me poor.

You realize that when Shaniqwa and Paulo don't make enough money they go on welfare programs, right?

Which is why welfare should be abolished

>avoid taxation
If you read the text, you realized i dodge taxation. Which i do through offshore companies, writing shit off as expenses and other loop holes the government makes. If it did not do this, all business owners would demand them to uphold the border, which now the underpaid workers who had stagnating wages for decades due to these illegal immigrants are demanding.

By the way, giving women the right to vote and pushing them into the labor force halved your wages.

The luxury of the elite is just paying rent and buying food? Fuck the jews really have won..

Unfortunately, thats a socialist aspect added to the economy. You do realize if you don't work 18 hours a day for a loaf of bread and are not willing to give away your wealth to the state, Commisar Shaniqua will round you and your family up to a wall and make you all eat a bullet to the head?

They are retarded and believe they can simply increase the value of a no-skill minimum wage worker.

They see their /ourcuck/ pushing to increase inflation and they celebrate thinking they will become wealthier while working at starbucks.

You realise that all of those burger-flippers etc would've had real jobs if it was 3-4 decades ago? They are the ones who would have been working in the industries producing all those things that companies decided to outsource to make more money.

Should we all become rootless vagabonds in this day and age? Should we just all bend down and take it from the free market and go where there's maybe some job-opportunities on an ever diminishing market.

White people aren't stupid, but not all are able to perform high-caliber jobs. Not everyone are skilled or had the fortune of learning valuable skills in their youths. Doesn't mean we should look down upon them and treat them like crap.

The main problem is the kikes kiking and third-worlders taking up resources of the white man.

I would be for it if our nation wasn't still full of shitskins, no fucking way I'm subsidizing low IQ shitskins.

They said 90% I knew it was a lot less than that. But I admit I hadn't looked it up in a while. Small used to be the vast majority but we have too many monopolies today and raising the minimum wage is only going to strengthen their monopolistic hold on their respective industries. Do you wish to give MORE power to monopolies who can then abuse workers with greater ease?

because that means more corrupt government bureaucrats deciding who's big who's small and who to dole favors out to. However If the gov is going to step in I would rather see stronger enforcement of anti-trust laws to foster more competition where monopolies have crushed all the small diversified players.


you're right
That is the case in SOME industries, mostly the ones I mentioned above where a company has a monopolistic hold over everything. A lot of mature industries with lots of competition have 1-3% profit margins.
It doesn't work like that. Perhaps for a small local business but If large corps can't make the ROI they want then the product will be cheapened in some meaningful way or discontinued and their capital invested in something else like real estate, or even invested outside the country. I've seen this happen at two different large companies I worked at before striking out on my own.

Yup i know, and that was the next thing the government and big business wanted to make money on. Outsourcing production while the populace keeps consuming using debt. They thought you were all stupid enough to keep doing this, sadly people eventually wise up to the scheme of perpetual debt poverty.

This is what Globalism is and the left welcomed it with open arms.

You base your value on Jobs and able to provide for yourself, this is not how Keynesian economics reason. Secondly women do not care for jobs, they value healthcare, education and other things way above self reliance. This is why they vote socialism again and again.

I CANT THIS THIS ENOUGH

inflation here we come

no really, raising the minimum wage will just raise the prices on goods.
if you want to raise the amount of money workers earn, you need to deal with LABOR SURPLUS .
Labor surplus drives wages down, and creates a much more competitive laborforce, allowing companies to hire more skilled people, for less money.
this labor surplus is maintained through waves of legal and illegal immigration.
If you want to raise wages you have to address the labor surplus, not legislate that employers pay more; that does not solve ANYTHING

What greatness? You're selling out jobs to a different race for shekels you disgusting piece of shit.

Get your shit together or you will be dangling at DoTR along with the other traitors.

Demand is high in some cities, lower in others. Some people need to move to get their first job. After they have a couple years experience, companies will be more willing to hire them.

If you understood anything about economics, increasing minimum wage artificially via government legislation causes a knock-on effect where the prices of everything else inflates to match, but the catch is that it is not an immediate effect so what ends up happening is for a small period of time you are being overpaid for the value of your labor and all the places paying minimum have to commit to staying within budget i.e. layoffs

No 3-4 decades ago those were jobs for teenagers to gain work experience and job skills so you could move up the ladder, they aren't meant to be your career. They were the kind of jobs I started doing when I was 12. Now most fast food joints are filled with squat mexicunts who are literally too stupid to ever do anything better. Again we need to cut off low skilled immigration.

The first country to mine asteroids will have a monopoly on nearly all space-based industry (and corner the planetside market) for DECADES. We HAVE to be first.

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Quads of truth!

The space mine owners of tomorrow will become the first trillionaires. Some people say Elon Musk will be able to bring us there, but I think if we had NASA and federal funding behind Elon Musk and other Elon Musks in the US, we would get there A L O T sooner.

You can't raise the average wage without first fixing the underlying problems causing wages, by necessity, to be so low in the first place. WHY IS THIS SO FUCKING HARD TO UNDERSTAND.

why is Holla Forums retarded?

They can't reason that there's a difference between having 1 applicants and 60 applicants for a FTE. They see no problem whatsoever with over saturating a job market, hence all the illegal cancer into our lands. Then you get the excuse thrown back at you because whites are supposedly unwilling to work in the agriculture fields, even though they always used to do that.

If i only get 1 applicant, i have to hire him if i'm desperate to fill the position or try to lure employees that have the skills i need by offering things like a PREMIUM wage in order to attract them. By doing so, other businesses will have to compete and also offer higher wages just to attract them. I also no longer have any interest in investing in employees because you either get it or have learned it or you're not hired.

When i get 300 resumes, for supposed flipping burgers, why on earth would i pay 15$ a hour? I could probably offer 4$ a hour and one of them might be idiotic and desperate enough to take it. If they do earn 15$ a hour, it takes a up front investment of 30K that would automate their jobs away. That means 2.000 hours of 15$ wage would pay for that capital investment. That would mean if the person did 8 hour days thus clock in 2920 hours per year, the investment would cost roughly less then 1 year of a FTE's time. A maintenance contract would cost around 2500$ per machine. Which in the long term is a considerable savings. In the long run automating and robots would be the better choice that having to deal with a human and all their shit.

You can see the leftypol cancer in this thread. No skills no value, still want 15$ for EVERYONE. Can't reason passed the 'muh minimum wage'. If we all just get paid 2400$ in the month as a minimum, while everything else in society remains the same cost everything will be great! Absolute retards.

It all went to shit when we started having dual income households. For you redpilled women, this isn't saying it's all your fault. This would hold true if women were the breadwinners pre-WW2 and men traditionally stayed home. With a one-income household, prices were low. Yes a lot of that is just inflation, but even converting it, prices were low. But when two-income households became normal, suddenly households had twice the income. Effectively an entire salary devoted just to disposable income.

So when Coke decides to waise the price of a can from 10 cents to 15 cents, where before households would just say 'fuck you then I'll go to Pepsi', households now could just shrug their shoulders because they have so much disposable income. The prices of everything crept up because people had too much money to care, and now we're at the point where you NEED a two-income full time household to have the same standard of living that a one-income household used to get you. College students can't move out before they're married. You can work a full, solid, honest 40 hour week and still live on food stamps in your fucking car.

Exacerbating this is globalization. Local businesses would have to suck it up and pay it if we got all the illegals out, the labor pool shrank, and they demanded higher wages. But most jobs can be done online now. Unless we close the borders and impose BRUTAL sanctions on any business that even tries to outsource or move internationally, all the businesses, all the call centers, all the programmers, all those types of jobs will just move to India rather than pay honest American workers honest American wages.

It's too late to put the toothpaste back in the tube regarding two-income households. Making it illegal would just make everybody homeless before prices could adjust. But we CAN deport every single illegal alien, and we can sanction and fine to the bone every employer who even looks across the border for expansion or outsourcing. Wages will go up by design. Prices will have to adjust too, and there will be a few years of growing pain, but it could be adjusted nicely within a two term presidency.

Look you stupid motherfuckers, minimum wage is not supposed to be a living wage and it never was. It also never should have existed in the first place because it makes that sort of thing more difficult.

In a free market economy with no minimum wage, all of those minimum wage jobs are intended to be starter jobs to put retards and teenagers with no job experience into their very first role. They do the job, they get paid the amount appropriate for a side job, and they get something to put on their job history so they can get a better job in the future after they've acquire more skills and expertise through education or continued employment. Those that stay in that industry work up to managerial positions and make the "living wage" in those jobs. Not by being burger-flipping mongrels.

But when you implement a minimum wage, what happens? Now companies, especially smaller businesses, are going to see a change in where marginal cost and marginal revenues are meeting up. It doesn't matter that they can employ more people - if they want to maximize profit, they're going to go with less. Some businesses, with a high enough minimum wage, are going to be fucked out of the industry entirely. But that's only the start of the problem. Once you cut down the number of jobs available, as this does, you cut down on the number of available starter jobs for new workers. Because they cannot find jobs, they are unable to advance themselves, and get fucked into unemployment, becoming a drain upon the economy. Additionally, this sort of thing causes the value of higher-wage jobs to drop, as the increase in wage for those positions is never proportional to the increase in minimum wage; at best, it is equivalent in amount.

A starting job at the McDonalds is not supposed to provide enough money to support a person. It is supposed to be a starting job to put money in the pocket of a still-dependent worker. But because dumbass art students want to get by with their Starbucks job, we're stuck in this situation. It's intended to help the poor, but it only hurts them.

There have been countless studies over the years on minimum wage, and only one has ever returned favorable results for it - and it was a study so filled with errors and inconsistencies as a result of bad mechanics that it can be considered as accurate to real history as Night.

The problem with your idea is we're not living in a world where people who want that better job can just apply and get it. The reason you see people aged 30+ flipping burgers and ringing you up at K-Mart is because, even with a solid education and a resume full of experience, there just ARE NO JOBS. In b4 that one guy comes here and says "I learned a trade and now I make 200k and I'm 18!". Those stories are not the norm. There are just as many plumbers working at Walmart as there are STEM grads.

Through automation and outsourcing (which I mentioned above need to be dealt with for any of this to be fixed), the number of higher positions is lower than it ever has been. Those entry level jobs that are supposed to just pay enough to let high school students buy a smart phone are now the only jobs that people out of high school, out of college, or out of trade school can get. Forcing wages up by legislation if obviously not the answer, but don't act like the people working there are just lazy asses who want to work the register at Starbucks forever. For most, that's literally all there fucking is.

However, I also need to disagree with you. I don't care what the job is, how menial, how low skilled. Nobody, but fucking NOBODY who works a full, solid, honest 40 hours a week should have ANYTHING less than a white picket fence quality of life. You get up, you shave, you go to work on time, you are there for 8-10 hours working diligently and honestly. I don't care if it's just flipping burgers. A full, solid, honest 40 hour week? In our nation, anything less than a living wage for that is absolutely UNACCEPTABLE. Fucking PERIOD. Now, for high school kids who don't need a living wage, that's what part time employment is for. No high schooler should be working more than 10 hours a week anyway, they have studies to attend to. But working a full, solid, honest 40 hours a week? This is not socialism, this is a statement of what kind of wealthy, prosperous, non shit nation we have - NOBODY WHO WORKS THAT SHOULD HAVE ANYTHING LESS THAN A LIVING WAGE. PERIOD.

Because of the Federal Reserve and genocidal immigration policies. End those and the problem solves itself. No marxism.
Because of the Federal Reserve and genocidal immigration policies. End those and the problem solves itself. No marxism.
So you admit it. So we don’t do it. Problem solved. No marxism.
No, that’s not how reality works, you cocksucking marxist.
Kill yourself, marxist.
It’s literally socialism. Eat shit, you fucking commie.

This is, by far, the most depressing thread today. We really need more nukes flying.

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Let's take a step back and observe the conversation up to this point. I have made several points, some of which you even agree with. Although my last paragraph had more emotion in it than I should have, I made fair points, even if you choose to disagree with them. You might think everything but one or two points that I wrote are complete garbage, and that's fine. But I'm not here just slapping my hand on the keyboard and calling you "privileged" or some leftypol shit. I'm explaining my positions maturely and concisely, in hopes of having an actual discussion.

Now let's review what you have written in response.


Back to halfchan, do not pass go, do not collect $200. This is a place of political discussion, not a place for you to drool on your tiny dick as you throw greentext verbal diarrhea at people you disagree with.

Not an argument, you cocksucking faggot. No, we will not be raising wages. No, you do not magically deserve a "living" wage. There is no argument you can make based in any manner of rationality.

Reminder that it is literally this simple.

If a full time job does not pay a living wage, people won't take it, because they can get more money/food/housing from social assistance. And if you take social assistance away from a nation of 30 year old, unemployed, starving people, because that's what America is right now, expect civil war.

I've already extensively discussed the causes of wage stagnation earlier in this thread, if you had bothered to read any of it rather than being a contrarian child, so kindly go read it and learn to have a discussion without throwing verbal diarrhea at people. Thank you, no further replies will be given to you, have a good day.

The issue behind literally everything that you're proposing stems from the very first line you proposed:

Guess why genius? It's because the minimum wage exists. It's not like this bill is proposing that we have one. It's proposing that it goes higher. The reason it's being proposed is because there's a problem in the lower-class, which was created in the first place because we had a minimum wage. It's an eternally continuing cycle that keeps spiraling out of control because of idiots like you who never even took an introductory economics class.

Here's a news flash - automation costs money too. There's a larger initial investment, much larger than most small businesses can consider, and a cost for maintenance associated with it. Businesses automate because the wages get pushed up to the point that it's better making that investment at the moment than continuing to hire workers. But if they were never pushed to that point, they would keep hiring workers. Now it is true that as time goes on, automation will continue to become cheaper, and there is going to be a point where the unskilled labor force is simply not going to have any jobs it is capable of providing. However, the trade-off for that is that, in a natural economy, this will come about at the same point as automation is capable of sustaining a non-working population. This of course brings its own problems, ones which have been continually debated for the past century since science-fiction authors and political theorists alike began to make proposals. But they're issues that people in the future, who are actually living with it as a present reality, will be better suited to solving. Theory alone isn't helpful.

So if a person gets up and goes picking up cans around town, then by virtue of their labor, they should be getting a living wage for their great contribution to the market? Here's another news flash - not all jobs have the same value. The market sets the value. If there is a person willing to flip those burgers at half the wage that your dumbass is, that person deserves the job more than you do. The mere act of being alive doesn't entitle you to jack shit.

The issue that you are missing here is a deceptively simple one. You don't want to work at that wage. Neither does your white friend. Some dumb spic from across the border, though? He'll do it. So how do you solve this problem? You block fucking immigration. You stabilize the labor market. And behold, you've removed the negative competition from the economy. In theory, liberal economics argue, you've impacted its total growth. In practice, all of the "surplus" cut off was directly from the companies/corporations, while the actual workers within the country are better off for it.

The other solution for higher wages comes in the form of labor cartels unionizing. By giving themselves the power to go on strike and fuck over the firm hiring them, unions ensure that they get higher wages for themselves and their members than would otherwise be present. Naturally, this also creates a dead-weight loss. Again, it impacts the economy as a whole negatively, but manages to benefit the consumers overall. Of course, that's not to say all unions are good. Public-sector unions like those for teachers are almost invariably a cancer that sucks wealth from the taxpayer. But that's another story entirely.

TL;DR:
1. Minimum wage causes unemployment.
2. The living wage is a meme.
3. Starting jobs are not meant to provide a living wage.
4. Starting jobs are directed to young people.
5. Immigration directly harms/undercuts the labor market.
6. Private-sector unionization arises when wages grow too low.

The role of the government in the economy is a simple one - break apart trusts that grow too powerful, keep a standing military in place to keep the economy safe, place tariffs in place when appropriate if the economy has enough power over the market, and keep the fucking border sealed as tight as possible.

And people are getting but hurt about Trump do things, but this shit gets a pass? THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH AMERICA?!

Seems they are.
GOOD. WE FUCKING NEED IT.
And if you were correct, you wouldn't be advocating marxism. So whatever you said doesn't matter.
Again, no need. When your conclusion is 'marxism', your rationale is irrelevant.
Said the marxist on an anti-marxist website.
That your only insult? Gee.
Fuck you.
Grow up, kike.

This isn't true at all. People either have to rely on dual income households or you have people with multiple roommates well into their 30s. A lot of this is dependant on what area you live in. Useful people take a job and try to make it work, however unfair the result is. Parasites act like parasites.

The answer is right there.

Don't be a retard. Minimum wage doesn't really affect wages. Market conditions affects wages, and if there are this many unemployed at 7$ an hour, it will be much, much worse at 15$. In a way, I want the minimum wage to be done away for entirely, so all the libshits know how shitskin immigration affects them. I would rather them complain about 2-3$ an hour wages than unemployment, maybe then they will see why they are so stupid and puppets of a (((elitist))) agenda.

Kek Vult.

Take the FED pill, son.

Nowhere did I say that minimum wage should be legislated higher. Forcing wages higher without actually dealing with the reasons wages are so low in the first place will lead only to job loss and automation. You seem to be misunderstanding where I stand, so read through this . I agree. We SHOULD be tightening the borders, we SHOULD be kicking out every single illegal alien, we SHOULD impose absolutely CRIPPLING fines and sanctions on any company that even LOOKS at India or China for outsourcing jobs that can be done digitally.

My only point of contention is that, yes, in the United States of America, in our first world nation of prosperity, where we don't still shit in the streets and where we pay our taxes, no man or woman who works a full, solid, honest 40 hours should have anything less than a comfortable life. To expect ANYTHING less is to accept a nation where the lower class lives the same as they do in India. How we DEAL with this, you seem to think I believe the answer is Sandersism. It's not. It's isolationism.

Which book is that from?

Reminder to the upper & middle class brats of Holla Forums who never had to survive without help or money:


When minimum wage goes up, everything for the lower classes goes up a little too until you're making less.
All an excusable action because "lifestyle and inflation…blah blah blah".


Go check the Seattle rental prices if you don't believe me. It's not even a happening city that's over crowded, just a boring business city with a lot of ugly women.

where are you getting that info from? i believe that some data that suggests this is fabricated so that companies will be permitted to hire foreign (cheap) workers.

if it is true that STEM is in high demand then that is great. but we can't have everyone going into STEM. not everyone is capable of doing these STEM jobs. and even if everyone had the ability for it, we still need people in other fields.

in fact, these STEM jobs you are praising would not exist if not for people employed in other fields. what will doctors do when there are no construction workers with hurt backs? where will scientists buy their groceries and clothes when there are no people to manage shops? what good is an engineer's product if there is nobody to buy it?

who will build our houses? repair our vehicles and appliances? clean our public restrooms? collect our trash? serve us our coffee? care for our children while we are at work or out at a restaurant? educate our young? put out fires? transport us to the hospital when we are dying? patrol our neighbourhoods in search of criminals? deliver our mail?

our society and economy needs, what basically amount to, peasants. plain and simple. the techno utopia in which machines take over all menial tasks is 1) not here yet and 2) not remotely practical until either all the peasants are dead or can be housed, fed, and entertained for nothing in return.

if the low-paid working people are hung out to dry, they will stop buying goods and services. companies will lose money and have to lay off more workers (STEM included). the current system requires that nearly everyone is gainfully employed and able/willing to pass dollars around.

Isolationism is a bit strong of a word to use for the ideal solution. The truth is, trade is something that benefits both nations. The problem isn't trading with other countries - it's that we're outright not using our labor.

This is especially important with a US sized economy. We have a great deal of buying power. If Japan is manufacturing cars, we have the power to set that price at, perhaps, $80K. Better yet, when we tariff it, since we're the ones setting the price, we get to reap all of the benefits at the expense of the seller. On the other hand, if a shitter like New Zealand tries to set that tariff, the price is still at whatever the US is willing to buy, which means the brunt of any implemented tariff gets paid by the citizens themselves. The result of this is that we should greatly desire trading with other countries for things they can manufacture, but with higher tariffs, allowing us to essentially tax foreigners into paying us, allowing us to lower our own domestic taxes and giving our labor force the ability to buy more shit. And so the wealth of nations increases.

The issue, of course, comes from US-based companies trying to operate abroad, or the encouragement of workers from abroad to come into the US. Blocking those things isn't true isolationism. It's simply good foreign policy for the strongest economy. Liberal economics will of course argue that fucking over other countries is bad foreign policy, but they can go fuck themselves.

Holy fuck people this stupid exist and they're posting on Holla Forums.

Awesome webm fam. Saved.

Introducing something doesn't mean it will pass.


That shit is straight out of Alien.

Global participation is fine, but FAIR global participation almost a pipe dream right now. We can really only have fair trade with two kinds of countries: countries on par with us, such as Canada and a few EU countries (NOT the EU itself), and countries economically better off than us. If we start trying to trade with countries like India and China, using slave labor to sell us inferior goods, no American will buy their shit if the prices are jacked up by tariffs. But without the tariffs, they fuck up our economy. As for countries with better economies and producing power than ours (Japan regarding the production of tech, for example), they'd view us as WE view India, so they wouldn't want our cheap, inferior shit, tariffed to hell for fair trade in their market.

What we're left with are only a handful of countries whose economies we can fairly and sustainably trade with, whose currency is valued and whose employees are paid in such a manner that it really is fair trade, and fair competition for space in the customer's basket. I guess there's no harm in fair trade like THAT, but with the economy on the brink as it is, I'm very nervous about even that.

When the fuck did all you Holla Forums retards infiltrate?


Never seen a small business, have you faggot? Not every fast food joint is a McDonald's and most of those are run by franchise operators, and I don't know why I am bother to explain this to a fucking lefty redditor.

This is what happens when you let kikes control the money supply. The fact that boomers conveniently forget how easy they had it, and are now planning to retire on the backs of the working white men they sold down the river, really pisses me off. That's one of the reasons I'd like to get things started already. I want most of them, at least, to live to reap what they have sewn. Remember, these people voted this way when the USA was 85% or more white, and deposited us in a position where we may only be ~50%, all this within their own lifetimes. Also remember that if we don't do something about this mess, history won't look any more kindly on us.

What really pisses me off is that you now see commercials everywhere for reverse mortgages, targeting boomers.


There is no demographic I hate more than boomers. There isn't even a close second.

A $15/hour minimum wage would ensure that almost every entry-level job that does not require a college degree or specialized training program would be filled by spics working illegally for less than minimum wage.
You must go in order and not skip steps. fix the demographic situation, then and only then can you begin to implement government policies that help Americans who are struggling. Until then, all attempts to help our people must be informal and not done through the state, because official aid programs will be subverted to fuel the spic-nig cycle instead of getting whites back on their feet.

FYI: german minimum wage is 8,50€.

Civil war is the only thing that can rescue whites from total replacement in America at this point. It has to happen in Europe as well. Let the boomers and niggers and welfare queens die by the same sword they lived by.
Do you have any ideas on how that happens without a serious purge? Or are we agreeing on that?

By 2024 its estimated between 25-50% of jobs will be gone due to automation.

15$ minimum is insane talk.

Ultimately we'll get to a point where automation means people just won't have to work, for the most part. There will still be need for employment in the way of maintaining automation and staffing customer service positions. And those people will need to be paid large wages, government benefits, or otherwise be made to just be okay with the fact that they are working while other people don't have to. A fierce sense of nationalism will likely be required to reach that mentality.

It will be a rocky transition.

Agreed. I am a person that has moved thousands of miles multiple times for jobs.

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The problem is, unless you're a pampered millennial in a gated community, people get their first jobs in high school. They can't just move out to get one. And if they DO move out to get their first job, that means it has to be a job that pays a living wage. Part time at McDonald's isn't even paying for the insurance for the car you'd be living in. It would need to be full time and GOOD. How likely is someone in this economy going to get a good full time job as their first job?

Personal experience, for straters.

It really isn't; what is fabricated is job postings asking for a fuckton of experience. They do that shit so people don't apply, THEN they can hire foreign. Bites a lot of companies in the ass, too. That being said, there is incredibly high demand in STEM. Go into data analysis and come out making 6 figures before you turn 30.

You sound like someone that hasnt had a job before.

I've had several, but nice job projecting. It's YOU who sounds like you haven't had a job before if you think it's realistic for a person's first job, with no experience, to be full time and pay a living wage.

What is a living wage to people anyway? They don't really expect a house with a Mcjob, right?

The better question is why would the people left out of the workforce be incentivized to do anything except sit on their asses and watch 13 hours of Netflix every day?

How much do you think car insurance costs per month?

Minimum wage workers make $1200 a month. That 's more than enough for rent (in a cheap area of the country), car insurance, gas, and food.

lol no, I can say for fact after all the bills and everyones been paid my place is just a tad over breaking even.

Spoiled libtards will tell you a living wage means high speed internet and the newest iPhone, but a living wage is generally defined as a wage… well, you can live on. Maybe that just means a tiny apartment and a 2002 Honda Civic, but that's comfortable enough to get on your feet and maybe go to school at night. And even that, you're not getting from most entry level jobs these days.


Oh I know. I honestly don't know how we're going to make the transition. Free hookers for the working class? One free federal offense a year? I don't fucking know. But we're getting there with automation, and we need to think of something.

This, why are we incentivizing them to reproduce?

I mean, they'll probably just fuck and have kids anyways because they're dumber than rocks but holy shit how do people not see this is a problem?

Any type of UBI system is doomed to failure by the way unless it contains measures to gradually reduce the population.

And there's the caveat. A cheap area of the country generally means crime infested, outside of any urban center, or both. And if it's outside an urban center, that means your car will be getting some mileage, so you can't rely on a 20 year old clunker with 300,000 miles on it. I'm not denying that it's possible, but it's not feasible for most, and there sure as hell aren't enough such positions if every job seeker suddenly decided to move to Poltown, population 484, to work at the town's one convenience store.

Let's say your rent is 600$ a month (quite expensive for most of the country. Mine is 800 but I live in Boston and split a room with someone)


That leaves 350 a month left over for gas and savings. Taxes come out too, obviously, but anyone making minimum wage is going to get 100% of that shit back every year.

It's clearly a frugal lifestyle but it is clearly feasible for a single person which technically does make this a living wage.

Notice what isn't included here: muh iphone muh cigarettes and muh fashionable clothes. Retards need to learn what's important in life and the majority of people will never be incentivized to better themselves if you give them the means to be comfortable.

the fun part starts when the niggers and spics blame whites for inventing robots and making them lost their job

I make the equivalent of 10$ an hour and I live 4 miles from downtown Boston. I manage to save up a little every year and invest my tax return every time I get one.

Somewhere along the way people lost track of what the difference between want and need is.

humans had 3 kids and a house by 25 just 100 year ago. Can you say the same?

This. Just because turning $10 an hour into a living wage CAN be done, doesn't mean we should be looking down on people who refuse to do it. Yes it's true that most people who won't do it are spoiled lefties who think the latest iPhone is a need, but even they know a raw deal when they see one. Busting your ass for 60 hours a week so you can afford a cheap apartment, a beater of a car, living off ramen, and dressing like a rapist truck driver, is a raw deal by any definition.

Focus your anger away from people who refuse to live rural and frugal, and towards the people and policies that have made such a lifestyle the only choice for anyone under 40.

What are your expenses like? I live in Commiefornia and I just can't see myself moving out of my parents house just yet even though I'm well above the acceptable age. Bad choices.

Sure you can you fucking burger-flipping faggot. Get a roommate and find something that isn't minimum wage. Work for yourself. Get a second job (young people can work more than 40 fucking hours a week). I worked two fucking full-time jobs until I was 20. By then, I had certs in the fields that I wanted to work in. Put down the bong and do something with your life.

i would prefer some actual data.

you still haven't given me any actual data on this. aren't you supposed to be a data analyst? in return i will mention that i have several friends with degrees in comp sci and IT and they're not having an easy time on the job hunt.

what you describe is different from what i have read about. first of all, inflated job requirements are so common now that hardly anyone is discouraged from applying to these positions. further, companies will indeed conduct interviews with qualified candidates, but then ultimately falsely deem them unqualified and opt for foreign workers because of cost. in order to get those visas they need to provide proof that they intended to hire citizens for the position. it's really not enough for them to say that nobody even applied. they're under a bit more scrutiny than that.

that might be possible, if you're in your early 20's. but, what kind of career is data analysis anyway? it looks like the kind of job that is ripe for automation.

you've ignored the main problem i outlined: your STEM jobs and data analysis gigs are not going to exist when a sizeable portion of the population is unable to secure enough income to stimulate the need for such jobs. it's okay if you are too short-sighted to care about this or if you are unwilling to comprehend the real issue at hand; i just want you to know that what you are proposing as solutions to the problem are actually just useless reactions to it that will only worsen the situation.

See this and see this . You are so intent on badmouthing people who don't work 60-80 hours a week to live in Cockroach Apartments, you are blind to the fact that THIS IS NOT HOW THE WORLD IS SUPPOSED TO BE. Stop hating people (and I admit most of them are pampered libtards who don't know wants from needs!) who see this for the raw deal and shit system that it is, and focus your heated rhetoric on the REASONS that you had to do that in the first place.

Parents in the 50's wanted to work to leave a BETTER world for their children. You instead yell at your children for not suffering as much as you did. Your ideology is all flipped.

You just said the data is "made up", what the fuck else do you want?

The life expectancy in the US 100 years ago was ~50. The problem is you're too stupid to figure out how to get a USDA home loan for you first home under 150k at an interest rate at almost 0%. You don't try to invest time and energy into yourself to improve your skills to become more marketable. The fact of the matter is that the upper class and "middle class" in the US is larger now than it ever has been in US history. https:// www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/06/21/sure-the-middle-class-is-shrinking-30-of-americans-are-too-rich-to-be-middle-class-now/ (archive.is isn't working for this for some reason).


Stop being a leftist useless piece of shit. Stop playing vidya. Stop doing drugs. Stop wasting your time on useless shit. You sink or you swim you fucking faggot; do something about it.

very simply, i want data that backs up your claim that STEM jobs are booming. (this is a piece of data that is different and separate from the falsified data which companies use to obtain visas) but don't actually bother posting any data at this point, because i'll just find some glaring defect in it.

i find it really hard to believe that you are pulling 6 figures in a job that requires the analysis of data when you seem to struggle to follow a basic conversation. i don't mean to be rude, but you are frustrating me. i'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you are just tired from working all day and just came here to absent-mindedly shitpost to blow off steam.

People also didn't retire back then, they worked until they dropped dead on the assembly line at age 50. Today, RETIRING at 50 is not unheard of, and the jobs left behind are automated away.

You link a single Forbes (lol) article to prove your point, ignoring all other data showing the middle class is virtually dead for people trying to move up into it. You accuse me of being a leftist despite how consistently I'm trashing them, you accuse me of being an ignorant drug user for disagreeing with you, and all in all, you are shit at this whole 'discussion' thing.

People WANT to move out of mommy's house and start their lives. Even pampered libtards want that. Your 20's should be a time of absolute freedom, the best fucking decade of your life, and for many, that's been taken from them by an absolutely trashed economy. Yet you blame THEM for not getting ahead instead of the economy for being demonstrably worse than it was in generations past.

I don't know if you're just bitter at having to work those 80 hour weeks and now you hate anyone who doesn't do the same, if you're being contrarian for the sake of it, or maybe you're just a troll. But hating on 20-somethings for not succeeding in this shit economy is not going to solve anything. Hating on the politicians, policies, and GLOBALISM that caused all this is the way to go.

those averages might be misleading. the number is seemingly low because of high infant and child mortality rates at the time. people who survived into adulthood generally lived well past 50.

:^)

The upper and middle class isn't dead; stop listening to your feminism 1001 teachers at your community colleges. Again, it isn't my fault you're nigger-tier lazy/stupid. Raising the minimum wage to 15/hr won't do shit in the long run for you useless degenerates.

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You have to go back.

And we're done here. Go back to halfchan, adults are talking here.

You're not an adult; you're making excuses and blaming everyone but yourself for being a failure.

This phrase is a kike sticking his shriveled Jewish middle finger right into the face of everyone who has ever actually worked for a living.

Here we go again, /leftycuck/ needs to go! Late state capitalism is a shit meme. We aren't in capitalism or you wouldn't be seeing these problems. We wouldn't have massive hand outs to major corporations to allow them to keep their attained position. Kikes and their usury are causing problems as well as liberal retards who opened up the US to the third world cancers who are a massive blood sucking problem on the US tax payer, you know what you could do with 100 billion USD spend on illegal alien cancer? You could have had a nationalized health care system, maintained infrastructure, space exploration… If we were in a actual capitalist society, you wouldn't be taxed on your wage and we wouldn't have these socialist systems like welfare. The entrepreneurial spirit of Americans is really gone down the shitter.

You aren't going to be replaced by automation or robots. We need home service workers to go and do menial shit tasks to manage the domotica homes. WE need people to fix cars at the customers house or bring the electric car to a concentrated depot. We need workers to manage the drones. We need workers to uphold the law. We are going to see new booms in work fields, especially when the space race actually starts when it becomes so cheap to do so and start mining moon rocks.

Most of the current societal problems will be fixed with gene editing and brain interfacing according to trans humanists. Stupid niggers need their emotional reptilian brain controlled to prevent them from lashing out. People need to stop seeing other humans as threats, so we just target a portion of their brain and electronically radiate it to deactivate their brains from thinking they are being threatened.

Civic nationalism is never going to work. The beaner want their own nationalism, the Aztlan empire, not US. The overwhelming majority of the Americanized nigger really doesn't give a shit aslong as they got their materialism. They can get back into control by NOT allowing them the same rights as whites. Muslims which is mostly arab cancer are in the US to establish their caliphate, breeding like rats mostly mirroring sheboon behavior. The asian is here for economic gain.

I'm confident, we are now in collapse and we will be seeing a war within the next few decades resulting from the Jews jewing the US.

9 million jobs added to their very loose definition of the STEM field is laughable. that number, while impressive at first glance is wholly inadequate when you factor in the loss of jobs in other fields, the current population numbers, and the projected growth of our population.

am I looking at what I think I'm looking at?

I don't understand how you can deny automation. I can just imagine you 100 years ago, thinking automation will NEVER impact the auto industry that much. "We WILL need a dozen working hands to assemble that exhaust system!". No, no we fucking don't. We need a bored guy in a hardhat reading hentai behind a lever.

We'll likely never be COMPLETELY automated. Like I said and you gave examples of, customer service will always be needed. But with our population size, we WILL eventually get automated to a point where there just aren't enough jobs available, or even necessary, for all but maybe a million people to work. And how we address/reward the people who ARE working while the rest of America has roombas wipe their asses is something we need to figure out.

You are indeed partially correct. The boomer just got handed a golden hand due to the growing bubble. Remember that they too have been robbed if they did not partake in the investment of assets and had trusted pension funds to take care of them who are now running on fumes.

This shit is used allot as divide and conqueror against older people. Nothing has gone away, the middle class has simply shrunk due to globalism.

Same excuse as saying we will always need people who will light our street light lanterns, the job doesn't exist anymore. It's not a argument. To think we will all be catered on by robot or some robot is going to clean my house when it's 2060. That's not now. This is all tech that will get wiped out with one stratosphere nuke. Secondly, you think these sort of shits isn't something the upper or middle class get first. I have yet to meet anyone in my country on welfare who has ever been able to purchase a Roomba.

Explain to me how you are going to make people who can cross the globe pay for some these jobless people who contributes nothing a sustenance wage, just so he can earn it back by selling them shit. Most countries are filled with loopholes in their tax system specifically for these people. This shit nihilism excuse is used all the time mostly by people who don't work. Why bother, in 60 years the robot cuts you.

I've had this discussion at davos, you think 60% of your population living near poverty line in some sort of welfare or UBI are going to accept their lot in life? Meanwhile people are making a shitload of money and get to live the high life. People are mad as hell today.

This Central banking system is dependent on wars, and it's high time to reset the system. If you aren't going to start one, the small clique of international (((tribesman))) certainly will sponsor politicians who will spawn conflict.

god damn all of this. mental two year olds, regardless of their physical age, shouldn't be paid period. they will not be able to assess worth in a shifting context, they will default to overt ungratefulness and cannibalism, and they will kill production and soon after themselves.

also god damn all of this, because this is just another virtue signaling noise party. that oxymoron is actually the objective.

finally, god damn your post: the definition of work among the non-self-made is shit:

(a) work: doing your boss's homework for his currency (economic work, reductio absurdum). this the atom/node/unit. note it is a matroska-doll. thus it is identical to doing your customer's work for them for their currency. likewise, it is identical to doing your community's work for them for their currency. etc. and thus what the effect is on worker-worked worth –exchanged– for doing the boss's work for him is significantly dependent on the boss's captial inflows and outflows (of which only part of outflows are capital labor). for any given business configuration, the outcome of a price floor will change, depending on that configuration. the outcome is not predictable by a single node.

essentially, you saying you should get paid more because {pricefloor} is gibberish. it only adds more insane to insanity. it is stupid.

(b) only as a net flow equation can anything be evaluated. thus looking at just yourself is in fact bernie fag. it is antifa. it is kike. you are kike, if you don't see node, node chain, and the continuously shifting contexts of each (up and down the chain + branch and depth the chain + micro and macro the chain).

(c) you can easily construct business configurations where you'd have to get paid more. you can also easily construct business configurations whereby you'd have to get paid less. all for doing the same constant worked boss's work. ex(1): news corp 8ch shill post creation: no change with price floor (soros blank cheque; shills are worthless anyway; garbage creation). ex(2): news corp 8ch shill post creation: reduction with price floor (soros blank cheque has limits; shills make no change in worked spam, but number of shills must be reduced; pay not increased, because –a– worker's worked work did not increase, global work reduced). ex(3): news corp 8ch shill post creation: explosion with price floor (soros cheque agrees to increase via its-worth-it savings withdraw; shills were under producing and now do more worked shill production; etc). [note: each of these examples can only be considered at a moment dimensional flow-analysis in time; at the next moment, under or over production will change the price point, and worthy or unworthy to the customer will change the new priced price point as well].


and one more god damn for just the sake of fuck you: btw, if prior was $7.5, and new is $15, and you make $15 now, then you'd have to say 'ain't i gonna maz $30 nao masstha'. not $20. a $15 to $20 increase is a %25 increase (1.25 revaluation).

angry.

Problem is that the market is a completely morbidly distorted place anyway and there is no way to fix it… a century of jewish fiat has done its damage… and wages no longer matter. I'm for a minimum wage and a living wage, then I'll be for single payer healthcare, then I'll be for whatever else they come up with… just because I know these are steps toward the reset… toward the end. I don't think any of this will take place during Trumps presidency but I have the same perspective.

If it makes it through under his watch fuck it.
If he doesn't fix any of this before leaving, fuck it.
If it happens after he leaves when we get king Nigger 2.0, literal mohammed edition, fuck it.

I want starvation, and roving gangs of niggers murdering cucks and raping feminists. I want the clenched fist of natures wrath squashing humanity like annoying bugs so that only the fittest survive… and I think I'll live to see it. The next evolutionary "big squeeze" will filter out those who have detached themselves from reality… and I welcome it with excited anticipation. Don't interpret this as defeatism etc… just because I have a longer view than you do… for I see the golden age at the end of the Kali Yuga on the horizon, though distant and faint, and I know the only way to bring it closer is to endure enormous hardship and pain.

Am I on Holla Forums?

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A person who needs to be paying rent and feeding himself seriously fucked up if he is flipping burgers, a fuckin 70 IQ mongoloid can pick up a damn trade. These are jobs meant for teenagers not grown ass men.

you will never have the same buying power, at best. one sided exchange-for compulsions are inefficient. inefficient laws require more work, not less. this inefficiency you will pay for, in addition to the milk.

process-view: initially: unless work is increased, or innovation covers the loss of efficiency, production falls. over time: production may or may not fall, but demographic shift generally will lower production quality, and then production itself. in both cases, inefficient reward is met soon after with

producer-view: initially, there is an explosion of global milk demand (everyone has more $). after a while, this is followed by an over price competition in production, driving up costs. after a while still, this is pushed back down to the consumer sale, causing an individual milk demand–point– and a global contraction. some adaption here and there, and eventually you're back to base levels, irrelevant of exchange medium. however; you are under compulsion to provide additional work to compliance and govt regulation. thus, you must increase production and prices, in the face of net unchanging consumer want. thus you must out price to a margin, to afford the inefficiencies the mandate incurs. over time: production falls, prices rise, and milk cannot cost "the relative same" ever again.

now, this is separate from price units. $dollar.version2016 experiences a system-level change. if no change in dollar distributions and allocations in all chains, gateways, flows, and velocities, then milk will be priced at $dollar.version2017:milk + $dollar.version2017:compliance. however, this is best case. typically, there is a bill-rider, or some economic sleight-of-hand. this causes disproportionate dollar losses and gains, some to you, some to not-you. (1) if net participants see a net decrease, then milk prices fall, because the ground-floor (noncentral) $dollar.ver2017.power>$dollar.ver2016.power ($ scarcity drives 'down' milk priced price point). (2) if net participants see a net increase, then milk prices rise, because the same peripheral ground-floor is now the opposite ($dollar.ver2017.power

I've lived in my house for 13 years. Know how many times I've needed a plumber? ZERO. Trades are NOT as in demand as you think. There are just as many plumbers working at McDonald's as there are STEM grads and high school dropouts.

Anyone on Holla Forums or anywhere, really who is supporting this minimum wage shit unironically deserves to have their heads smashed in like the filthy commie faggot they are.

KILL ALL COMMIES

Why don't we just increase competition for employees

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Your experience doesn't somehow mean that no one needs plumbers. You're also ignorant of the fact that plumbers install piping in new buildings, in addition to repairs. There's also a difference between residential work and commercial work

retard

I'm not saying college isn't a liberal cesspool money pit. But don't just say "just learn a trade you fucking idiot". Plumbers, electricians, air conditioning mechanics, whatever you want to list, they are NOT as in demand as you think. Most positions are already filled, and people there won't leave for the world.

Anyone who wants a $15 min. wage should be killed by mexican cartels. They have no fucking idea how shit it actually is.


Also the only reason anyone in gov. wants a higher min. wage is so they can take more fucking money like the greedy kikes they are.

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Good.

I make $20 an hour right now, and my job is stressful and demands results.

As soon as Bernie's Law passes, I'm going to demand that my pay goes up to $60 an hour our I'll just quit and get a job where I can make $15 an hour and be high all day. Since I can write complete sentences and have never been to jail, I'll bump the current dirtbags out of the queue and work a job that a monkey could learn, stress-free.

Life expectancy is a completely useless factor in these arguments. Infant mortality rates skew the numbers beyond being useful for comparison.

The truth is that once you survive past infancy, people tend to live a long time in general, typically into their 70s. That's gone up in the past 100 years or so, but not by much.

hmmm…

This is proving disastrous for the people they are claiming it will help in the places where it's already been implemented.

Employers hire fewer employees and , as better candidates are enticed by the higher pay, they are less likely to hire the type of person they would be forced to hire for less.

Bernie and Co. don't really care about that though, they just want the higher tax revenue it will bring to Big Gov.

That's cool, I didn't want a job anyway.

There's a reason this was introduced during a GOP-dominated legislature. Bernie knows it's not possible to keep the country running in the face of a $15 min wage, doesn't want to put fellow Dems through massive problem of having to turn down this bill when they have a chance to actually pass it. So he puts it up now, so he can claim he fulfilled a campaign promise but oh no the mean dirty Republicans wouldnt pass free money for everyone again, how awful those racists hate u etc etc etc

Dems can do same thing, look progressive by championing this massively progressive bill that doesn't have a hope in hell of passing, then blame it on the Republicans and shore up their bases.

When a party is in the minority and can't pass bills, they're more likely to put up radical stuff like this because it makes them look like they're trying.

The biggest thing to wonder about rn is what the fuck the GOP is doing. They have both houses, the White House and the Supreme Court, and what's happened?
I wish I could get paid as much and do as little as GOP congressmen.

I always hate these threads, much like any thread with women, because so many of the posts reek of someone trying to defend their egos or justify their lifestyles. So many avoid the question of whether the economy is working as intended and whether that intent is ideal in the first place.

To me, the only ideal economy is one where businesses are already employing a large number of people and still are desperate to hire more. I emphasize desperate because in our current economy, to many businesses have a lot of "demand" for certain positions, as in they could use another programmer or business analyst, ideally one with 10+ years experience and masters+ degree from a top 5 university, but they don't need to fill it. Adding more jobs beyond a certain base is a luxury for businesses now, their growth isn't strictly tied to the number of workers they have.

There is no major work deficit going unfulfilled and this is the problem.

That's right. Hitler actually put in place price controls in 1936 to counteract the inflation the infrastructure spending would have caused. It's the same here.

In democracy, you will get decent socialist ideas mixed with decent capitalist ideas and the mix will be such that it will come out shit. The minimum wage will be raised, but the rest of the economy will still be structured around neoliberal lines so prices will rise, and jobs will be loss because no one would dare put price controls in place, because then profits would be limited. So you just get the worst of both worlds instead of the best of both worlds.

Only through a dictator can you get around that fickleness and get the best combo of policies, but we don't live in that system (YET, thanks kikes), so a minimum wage increase will just hurt workers.

I paid $1000 for a 4-year degree because scholarships.

yeah, thanks for the advice hank.

work with human excrement. or wake up at 5am and be a glorified construction worker
dig actual ditches. dirty crawlspaces. union fags.
shit pay. better off flipping burgers.
probably as shit as the others.
drive a white van. wear stupid clothes. co-workers are all dumb fucks. blue collar grunts blow.

i've met my share of intelligent tradesmen, but if we're being honest we'll just say that the majority of these people are idiots. that kind of work is hell on your body too, so don't count on having the same level of productivity when you're pushing 50.

i would estimate that 90% of the tradesmen in my area are immigrants. they don't have licenses or insurance. the other guys are employed by larger companies. unless you have an uncle who's going to help you out, you're going to be trying to apprentice under dumb fucks that literally do not speak english. good luck with that, because they're not fond of white people. nepotism in the trades is a real problem for anyone trying to get in.

if you do manage to actually learn a trade, you're going to be in trouble when these immigrants are willing to do the job for half the pay. obviously that works well for them because they are used to living like animals. if you think that anyone is going to have a comfortable life working in the trades then i've got news for you. but maybe you enjoy physically torturing yourself and coming home at the end of the day too tired to even think coherently.

i've done my share of grunt work. never again.

this. all the fags with jobs just tout "everyone should just get the job i got. just work hard you nigger."

employers should be as desperate to hire workers as people are desperate to put food on their table. when there is an incongruence between these two things then there is something wrong. there's no more jobs because there is simply nothing to be done.

I was just naming jobs for retards that pay well. If you want to be a leech and whine like a faggot leftist about being useless, go for it.

You are truly useless. Fuck off, nigger.

no you weren't. feel free to try again though.


did my criticism of the current situation lead you believe that i don't have a useful job? go back to plunging toilets hank. i'll be here raking in the cash and paying my (very high) taxes so your incompetent ass will still have food and shelter when your back goes out and you can't work your shit job any more.

I've already stated what field I work in; the fact that you're arguing that "there are no jobs" is pretty indicative of you not having one.

This. Just because some of you faggots are ok with being salves doesn't mean I want to be one or that you should be ok with our children being slaves. It's the nigger teir crabs in a bucket mentality. I suppose all of this talk is rather pointless though given the imminent collapse of the US economy.

Stop being a useless nigger.

user I'm not particularly fond of my savings decreasing in value

I didn't say the US economy was going to collapse tommorow, faggot.

Welcome to Europe, where the difference between doing a Msc between someone who never studied is a mere 12 euros per hour or so. Min wage is 10 euro. If you got an average degree expect to make 3 euros more per hour, so around 480 more in a month. Woohoo such nice reward for doing a 4 year degree, earning on average 500 per month more. Yet you threw away 4 possibly 5 or even more to get a degree.

Serious talk. You can't live on 7/hr or whatever it is now. It should absolutely be raised.

you sure showed me, huh hank?


are you new here? your uncontrolled rage and resistance to actually discuss these things is embarrassing.

Nice story, but European universities aren't exactly becoming empty. I'd be glad to be proven wrong if you have some sauce though if sauce includes all degrees in aggregate it would be useless though because so many types of degrees are useless

that really sucks man. you guys should revolt. as an american i find it difficult to understand why europeans even bother attaining advanced degrees. what is the point of becoming any kind of professional if you are not rewarded? i'm generally curious, what kind of people pursue advanced degrees in europe?

genuinely curious

I never understood taxes being paid as percentages anyway. Why not just have an affordable tax that is constant? If the government overspends it isn't our fucking problem, they need to downsize.

well one thing this thread is good for is it exposed the Holla Forums anons that are still here and brought them out of the wood work.

Or the retired - living on fixed wages

i think the general idea is that poor people are taxed a small percentage so they can still afford to live. richer people are taxed higher so that the government can get more money, but the tax is not so high that it negates the incentive to earn more.

i am guessing that by "constant" you mean something like "everyone pays $5,000 per year?" percentages makes more sense to me. percentages also make it possible to extract large amounts of money from big companies, etc. it wouldn't make much sense for Ford moter co. to pay the same amount as some faget working at walmart.

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Fair enough. In theory the system should work fine. In practice, everything's fucked

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i would argue that there are other, and perhaps more effective, methods of competing than simply lowering prices of goods produced.

if i ran a business, i would use any extra revenue attained to launch new marketing campaigns or expand into my opponent's market. i'm not business-minded though, so this might be wrong.

i think in this era, the idea of passing savings on to the customer is dead. any extra money must be used to actively attack the competition, and advertising is possibly much more effective nowadays than lowering prices.

of course this all depends on other variables. if your product is supposed to be the most affordable, then you probably do want to keep your prices down. if you are selling some kind of luxury item, then lowering prices will surely backfire as people often look to price tags when deciding on luxury items (people want to more expensive watch, cologne, suit, shoes).

tfw I'm 17 and this fucking pinko cunt will make getting a job impossible

Nice.

Australia has a minimum wage and everything is becoming increasingly automated.

Went to Mcdonalds a while ago and stood at the counter for 2 minutes before realizing that it was all automated and I had to use the ordering machine.

Can't wait until the amount of people on welfare doubles. Fuck, why not just make it so people who don't pay taxes get two votes in every election now?

Wages rise based on the supply and demand of labour.

A growing economy where companies are looking to hire many workers and must compete for them with better conditions and wages means that wages increase.

A stagnant or shrinking economy where hundreds of people are applying for a single job means that wages fall towards the minimum wage or to a subsistence level. If the minimum wage is too high, employers redirect that money towards automation or look to black market labour.

When a large part of economic growth comes about from importing hundreds of thousands or millions of migrant workers, then it's not surprise that wages fall to subsistence levels.

Also in service based economies it is far more difficult to obtain full employment because years of skills are necessary to gain employment in many of the decent jobs available. This leaves the working class to fight over the remaining low-skill work that can't be outsourced, most obviously retail and food services.

Honestly it's never going to work itself out unless high-wage, western countries decide to either enact tariffs on low-wage countries or the system lasts long enough so that low-wage countries grow their economies and wages to become near equal with us.

This is the goal of the globalist. First to extract massive profits through global labour arbitrage, then to create a unified world with equal wages, no trade barriers, free movement of people and a one-world government.

embrace the NEET life and take direct action against the system by opting out of it entirely.
Watch Varg's jewtube viddys

Nothing will happen because everyone is too invested in the current system to see it come down. Bankers and businessmen and investors are happy with easy capital. The Boomer’s are still in their office jobs or moving into retirement. Generation X was able to take advantage of university education when it still meant something. Generation Y is sedated with bread and circuses (eating out almost everyday, Tinder, clubbing, vidya, Netflix, Facebook, Instagram).

They don't care if you live the NEET life because it's easier to sedate you with a few hundred dollars a week than to risk you getting hungry and actually doing something about the situation.

Don't be a welfare-parasite find a way to make income outside the system and just hoard it.
Good ways of doing it are growing and selling food, growing your own tobacco, or starting a hipsterbeer company out of your closet. None of these cost more than a few thousand dollars and I think most of Holla Forums is strong enough to subject themselves to kike-enslavement for long enough to get enough money to bootstrap whatever endeavor you're going to undertake.

Another guy I know takes student loans out, enrolled in a cheap online college with them and spends all his time making hipster-tier pixelshit games in game maker and shilling them on Holla Forums - he's going to end up homeless though I can just kind of feel it.


I know nothing will happen, this just makes me feel a bit less shitty. Working, and contributing to their system alone at my detriment was giving me some kinda guilt trip.

Federal minimum wage is unconstitutional and detrimental to the economy. Let the employer and employee negotiate terms of wage, not the government.

We need labor/concentration camps. Kim knows.

To be fair we've had those missiles for a couple of decades now.

1) There is little difference between sitting on their ass for 13 hours and watching Netflix and working 8 hours in the assembly line and then spending 5 hours watching netflix. Shit, mindless jobs do not help the person grow in any way, they just make him tired and incentivise him to spend the rest of the day "resting" (read: doing nothing)
2) Everyone I know that managed to land himself a long period of free time eventually picked up a hobby of some sort. The few people that would actually just sit glued to the TV all day every day would be in extreme minority, and were wastes of air in the first place. Having or not having a job wouldn't change their way.


Lower working hours. If you, right now, lowered standard working hours from 8 to 6, you'd get another entire shift (24/8=3 shifts, 24/6=4 shifts) and thus an extreme amount of new jobs.

The government should just fuck off in the next collapse. No infrastructure spending, no bailouts, no handouts. Let all the unprofitable shit go. Goodbye to lots of tech companies like Twitter. Goodbye to banks that thought the government would look after their downside.

Just default on the debt and start again. We can't pay for it, servicing the debt demands higher and higher taxation which acts as a handbrake on business and growth. Any government running at large deficits should be impeached. Vital services like roads should be financed by vehicle registration. It's even arguable that things like telecommunications should be nationalised and run at break-even cost. Outlaw labour unions who artificially raise labour prices and the cost of government-run organisations falls by quite a bit. Most of the reason why government assets are sold is because they can't be run efficiently as unions have taken over.

Companies will just fuck off to other places where they don't need to abide by your stupid labour laws. Some will obviously stay by necessity, but many will leave.

Also what's to stop people from getting a second job with all the free time they have? Current full time workers might move into weekend work (e.g. retail, restaurants). Would you punish people working two jobs? What if they are starting a business on the side?

Not if you have protectionish trade policies in place. USA is too big a market to simply abandon, and if you make import more expensive than manufacturing it in USA (despite the labour laws), the companies will have no choice but to stay.

The fact that most people want to work as little as possible? If they want to do a second job then fine – I can't see it becoming a serious problem.

no, we need to not be robbed through interest bearing fiat and kick out the beaners

I make 12.86 an hour, and I don't even make close to 1200 a month because no shitty business hires people for full time work. It's all extremely part time. I get 20 hours a week, if I'm lucky. The minimum wage would need to be raised to 15 for everyone in my situation to make anywhere close to 1200 a month.
Most apartments require a deposit and your first and last months payment for you to move in. Even if I found a shitty apartment for 600 a month, (which is absurdly low for anywhere even close to a city), it would be financially impossible for me to move.
That's not even mentioning the transportation issues.

What does money really buy?
-Makes you above the law (do what thou wilt)
-Fancy toys
-Can buy and sell humans as commodities and treat them as such
The world becomes their consequence-free playground. It's why psychopaths like the system just the way it is.

Don't you get it? You're supposed to be HAPPY to move across the country to work in Randomguysnametown, population 500, to spend a year living in your car making 1200 a month on a good month, because that's how "real adults make a living".

The level of bitterness in this thread is insane. The "I did it so everyone should be happy with it" mentality, being more pissed off at people who aren't content with India-tier wages than at the politicians and policies that have raped our economy in the first place.


YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE HAD TO. THIS IS NOT THE WAY THE ECONOMY IS SUPPOSED TO BE.

Grow up

You really just spend all day in this thread waiting for replies, don't you?

Let me explain to you how a thriving economy is supposed to work, you fucking idiot. You live in a city, doesn't have to be NYC, but a decent sized city. You finish high school. After that, you pick your path. If you want to blow your money on women's studies, fine, that's your own money to waste. But if you want to be a tradesman, you go a school that teaches your chosen field. If you want to be in business or marketing, you go to a large campus college. If you want to be a software designer, you go to a tech focused college. The point is, you get educated and/or trained in what you want to do. You don't breeze through classes with a bong up your ass, you apply yourself and you have your part time McDonald's job on the side to pay for it and to get work experience enough to let employers know that you're capable of showing up to work on time. And then, once you graduate, you APPLY FOR A JOB AND YOU GET IT. Not the first job you apply to, not the tenth job you apply to. But you apply for a job and you get it. Because you're educated and you have experience.

That's not the way it is today. You do all that and you're right back at McDonald's, alongside all the other plumbers, electricians, software designers, accountants, and Tyrones. YOU are more focused on looking down on people who refuse to work 80 hours a week at slave wages with no hope of EVER advancing than on figuring out how to help fix our fucked economy. Though since you haven't stopped posting, I'm going to assume you're just a NEET troll.

Go kill yourself faggot.

Pension funds will fuck themselves on their own.

How is this not good for us, the generation who got conned into the college loan jew? Who gets fucked with this? Hint: the people who have the most money but also can't into investment. That'd be boomers and bagholders. Way I see it, let it happen, my debt will just get wiped essentially. Sucks for anyone who saved their money up after a life of work, I guess. Wagey mcslave's life savings of goybucks just got massively devalued.

Now, if they actually wanted to solve the problem of workers being paid peanuts, they would stop focusing on the number and would just tie the figure to either inflation or the CEO's earnings, or some combination of both. That would actually fix it for good. But instead we get morons who never read an economics book arguing to raise the wage or not every few years.

But for me personally, either I win or I win. Cheers, fellas. Crashing this economy with no survivors.

While I see nothing wrong with fucking over the boomers who have ruined our lives, you ignore the fact that legislation would quickly be passed, sparing no tax expense in ensuring that the boomers are taken care of. That's what happens when every president we elect is middle aged at best. They take care of their own at the expense of the next generation.